Arrogate Remains On Top In Latest Longines World’s Best Racehorse Rankings

by | 09.14.2017 | 10:44am
Arrogate at Del Mar

After his performance in the Juddmonte International Stakes (G1), Ulysses (IRE) [127] joins Gun Runner (USA) [127] as the co-third highest rated horse in the seventh edition of the Longines World's Best Racehorse Rankings for 2017.

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Rank Horse Rating Trained
1 ARROGATE (USA) 134 USA
2 WINX (AUS) 132 AUS
3 GUN RUNNER (USA) 127 USA
3 ULYSSES (IRE) 127 GB
5 ENABLE (GB) 126 GB

 

In the Juddmonte International, Ulysses improved his rating to 127 from 121 after defeating Churchill (IRE) [123] by two lengths. Barney Roy (GB) [122] was in third. Earlier this season, Ulysses won the Coral-Eclipse (G1) before finishing second to Enable (GB) [126] in the King George VI & Queen Elizabeth Stakes (G1).

Another big mover in the latest rankings is Harry Angel (IRE) [125], who dominated the 32Red Sprint Cup Stakes (G1) and improved his rating to 125 from 120. He came into the race off of a victory in the Darley July Cup Stakes (G1) this summer.

There are also a number of newcomers to the latest rankings. Cracksman (GB) [122] is ranked after putting together a pair of impressive runs, first in the Betway Great Voltigeur Stakes (G2) and then in the Qatar Prix Niel (G2). Also in Europe, Dschingis Secret (GER) [120] took the Qatar Prix Foy (G2), which was his third consecutive victory after also winning the pferdewetten.de-Grosser Hansa-Preis (G2) and the 127th Llongines Grosser Preis von Berlin (G1) in his native Germany. Meanwhile, Marsha (IRE) [120] finds herself ranked after defeating Lady Aurelia (USA) [122] by a nose in the Coolmore Nunthorpe Stakes (G1).

In the United States, Collected (USA) [122] has won all three of his starts this season, and he is ranked after his half-length victory over Aggroate (USA) [134] in the $1 Million TVG Pacific Classic Stakes (G1). Additionally, Drefong (USA) [121] joins the rankings after his easy score in the Forego Stakes (G1), West Coast (USA) [121] won his fourth consecutive race by taking the Travers Stakes presented by NYRA Bets (G1), and Oscar Performance (USA) [121] claimed the Secretariat Stakes (G1) one month after winning the Belmont Derby Invitational Stakes (G1).

Furthermore, Vega Magic (AUS) [120] finds himself ranked after winning the New Zealand Bloodstock Memsie Stakes (G1) in Australia.

  • Richard C

    These lists are great for turf media and fandom chatter — just like the weekly college football polls and endless lists generated by ESPN and other sports outlets.

    • Curt Muth

      Actually they used to be really good back when they mirrord the official HCP (timeform) rating, now they are a joke.

  • Genellen

    How did Arrogate vault back on top after Gun Runner’s stunning Woodward???

    • Curt Muth

      He was already on top

  • Ida Lee

    Really ???? on what planet or parallel universe is Arrogate above Winx in world ranking ??? not in the world I live in ….

    • Curt Muth

      So you think winning a group 3 race reciving weight from all other horses trumps winning the DWC?

      • Minneola

        But, Arrogate also lost a grade 2 by coming in fourth, along with losing a grade 1 and coming in second. True, his first two races of this year were won and in better company but losing in less graded races should have taken some of the luster off this horse.

        • Neigh Sayer

          No it doesn’t. It’s not how the Longines rankings work, I never understand how no one seems to know this. It’s for a singular performance in an elite race.

          • Minneola

            Yes, it is an essentially meaningless ranking. And, yes, most of us do know that it is based on winning that one “elite” race. That doesn’t dismiss the fact that this ranking is meaningless if they really want to convey a “top-ranked” horse. After the DWC, what has Arrogate accomplished? Zilch. Nada. I never understand how some never seem to get this. But, thank you for sharing your wisdom with Ida Lee and myself.

          • Neigh Sayer

            Talk about meaningless, what he’s done after getting his top ranking is meaningless to his rating. Complaining about how they do their rankings is meaningless.
            I don’t care where Arrogate is ranked or if another horse beats his ranking, it is meaningless to me. But wanting Longines to change the criteria for their ranking to be like all the others, or not bothering to understand how they rank, is truly meaningless.

          • Blue Larkspur

            I would rather just request that Ray ignore this stupidity and not publish anymore stories about this “ranking”

          • Blue Larkspur

            It is bogus and should be ignored – rational people will.

        • Curt Muth

          But ONLY the best performance during the period counts. So even if Arrogate never wins again he will be at 134 until 31 of December and on top until someone run’s a higher number.

          • Minneola

            Curt, we get all of that. What many/most of us are saying is that the title (Longines World’s Best Racehorse Rankings for 2017) is not befitting a horse that hasn’t won one race since the DWC. In fact, since then, he lost a grade 2 by coming in fourth. Then, he lost the next race as well. That sure doesn’t describe the title of World’s Best Racehorse. Perhaps, Longine’s needs to revamp the naming of this ranking to something like “The World’s Best Single Race Ranking….”) Actually, now that I think about it, this is truly a useless and meaningless ranking since it is too subjective and far too limited in scope. It’s like doing a statistical analysis by looking at only one piece of data.

          • Curt Muth

            But he, Arrogate, is still the horse with the highest ranking during 2017, so no matter how you see it he ran the top race of the year so far, if the ranking had been “Longines World’s Best Racehorse Rankings for _ _ _ _ (month) then I would have agreed with you all.

          • Blue Larkspur

            Says the “pretty pony” fan …

          • Gaddi Schwartz

            Hey Muth, knock off the meth ok?

      • Ida Lee

        Arrogate ran 4 times this year…won 2 G1 and lost 1 G1 and 1 G2…..Winx has run 4 times this year and won 3 G1 and 1 G2….and don’t get me started with Gun Runner….I mean, who’s run better than Gun Runner this year….you know who hasn’t….Arrogate…and don’t start throwing the rules at me….I’m impossible when I get like this ….

        • Neigh Sayer

          You don’t understand how the Longines rankings are done. It is not adding up graded wins, it is not “body of work” as there are other rankings that do that. The Longines is for a singular performance in an elite race. Once you have the rating it cannot be taken away. Another horse has to put up a stronger performance. It’s the way it is and based on that he earned his rating, now someone else has to top that. Winx runs in a grade 1 Saturday, maybe she will.

          • Blue Larkspur

            Which is proven today as a ridiculous way to ascertain “the best”

          • Neigh Sayer

            It’s different. Maybe people should send letters to Longines and tell them to change their criteria to be like all the others. And for the Eclipse everyone screams it’s body of work, the whole year, body of work, and they do that when they know there is another horse who’s better, ha, no one is every happy.

          • Blue Larkspur

            Maybe we should just ignore this particular “ranking”

          • Neigh Sayer

            Odd that those that hate these rankings and say they are worthless and meaningless still care about who is on top.

          • Den Jay

            Nah, they care when it is obviouly wrong, i can think of 3 or 4 for Winx performances that were better than the DWC.

          • Neigh Sayer

            Well not yet but she’s just getting geared up and running her first grade 1 this season tomorrow. Maybe that will do it. Shorter races at lower grades against lesser just don’t get the same weight making 3 or 4 that still don’t understand their ratings.

          • Ida Lee

            Hi Neigh….Winx just won her 20th straight and her 4th G1 this year…she also had 3 G2s …that’s 7 races this year going back to February… and all except one race at the beginning of her winning streak was against females …. all others have been males 3 and above….I think it’s time we all bow to the great Winx as the best race horse in the world…

          • Neigh Sayer

            I’ve always loved Winx, this conversation is about factual information of how Longines does ratings and has nothing to do with my respect for her.

          • Ida Lee

            I know you love Winx and I understand where you’re coming from but ….still….let’s call a spade a spade and not a freaking shovel….let’s leave the Longines rankings out of the picture….still think Arrogate is above Winx?

          • Neigh Sayer

            If you’re asking who I think is the overall best or who had the best performance, that’s two different questions and that’s the problem with everyone’s fascination of the Longines rankings.
            This performance as I said might put her over the top, but the problem is the race was only at one mile, so I don’t think they will put her up top for it but they might. I don’t think she will have a chance at the top spot until her Cox Plate run, if she does in that what she did here, then they give her the top rating for sure. And you don’t want to hear this but how Enable and others run in the Arc will come into play as well.

          • Blue Larkspur

            The next to last one comes to mind …

          • Blue Larkspur

            Why? Because it allows a horse that is OBVIOUSLY off form some ridiculous ranking? Odd that anyone with a brain would defend the criteria

          • Neigh Sayer

            LOL I’m not defending anything, just explaining it to those that don’t understand it and or don’t want to understand it. Odd that anyone would ask that they change their criteria for best performance. Maybe you should also send a letter complaining about the Oscars too.

          • Blue Larkspur

            Why would you think anyone would complain about the Oscars? WTH does that have to do with some ridiculous ranking of a horse way off form from January? You make little sense.

          • Neigh Sayer

            Best performance of the year, it’s not a novel or weird idea that should be changed.

          • Den Jay

            That is the proplem with Longines or Timeform they are biased against Australian horses they always have been.They think it is not possible for an Australian horse to be the best in the world. To prove this as for Timeform the rated Lady Aurelia’s win at RA better then Winx and a horse called Battaash…An absolute joke…

          • Neigh Sayer

            I don’t see it as biased as much as they have to go on what they have to go on. Horses running in grade 1’s in a world elite race against the best will always have more weight than lower grades against lesser.

          • Den Jay

            I have shown you that the Cox Plate was rated the most ‘elite’ race in the world one year Winx won it and the Cox Plate was rated as the 2nd most ‘elite’ ( best ) race in the world for her other win in the race…She won these by 5 and 8 lengths…

          • Neigh Sayer

            What don’t you understand, that was last year. The ratings aren’t lifetime, they are best performance of the year so her Cox Plate last year doesn’t count. She has a shot with the race this weekend and her Cox plate run comes later so she has a good chance to take the top spot, but not for a performance last year.

          • Den Jay

            What don’t you understand ! I know how the ratings work. If we go by what you are saying Arrogate rated in the 120’s for his last start and 93 for his first up 4th…I am saying a horse doesn’t lose their maximum rating no matter how badly they go.My point is that the maximum ratings for Arrogate v Winx are wrong.Arrogate gets a 134 for an average DWC and Winx gets a maximum of 132 having won what was rated the worlds best race on ratings by 8 lengths in Course record time !

          • Neigh Sayer

            You have to be confused. Exactly what race did Winx race in this year for a 132 rating that was rated as the worlds best race? What was average about the DWC. Are you saying Gun Runner is also over rated and not deserving of his rating?

          • Den Jay

            Are you for real ???? Get it through your head the top ratings are life time !!! It is like trying to train a goldfish to ride a bike explaing to you…

          • Neigh Sayer

            LOL, I can’t believe you just said this. I knew something had to be screwy in your head and worse you are screaming that I don’t get it?
            I know you will be embarrassed when you realize how wrong you are. The award Longines gives annually is for best performance of the year. Year. One year, not lifetime.

          • Den Jay

            Look there is obviously something wrong with you if you can’t comprehend the highest rating is life time…Go away…I have a life time of hands on horse racing experience and you are a keyboard expert. You show your desperation when you say i am ‘screaming’ at you, where did you get that from, that is just weird……….

          • Neigh Sayer

            You are wrong but don’t be embarrassed we all make mistakes, even though you have a lifetime of experience in the sport and I only have 45+ years experience.
            The following is copy and paste from the Longines web site explaining how they do their ratings.
            “The ratings are based on the performance of horses in elite races held during the designated period which takes in account the quality of opposition and achievements of each horse. Throughout the year the Longines Rankings are published at regular intervals and the consolidated annual rankings are released in January. The annual rankings denote the champions in the various distance categories for example sprint or mile, surface either turf or dirt/artificial and also the fillies & mares category. ”

            Please take note. “during the designated period”
            “throughout the year”
            “annual rankings”
            The designated period is one year. Annual means yearly. Its one year.

          • Den Jay

            Now it is better asking in person as we have google.But when faced in person to someone who knows it all i always ask where does a horse speedy cut and where does he scalp…Never had a correct answer yet in person, so try and answer it, you should with 45 years + experience or maybe it is on google for you :)

          • Neigh Sayer

            LOL

          • Den Jay

            As for the Longines best in the world award i know it is for a yearly performance we are talking about rating not award !!! You don’t even realise this was for the 2016 horse of the year, the 2017 horse of the year title has not been decided!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Neigh Sayer

            What is wrong with you, where in the world did I say the 2017 award was given, now you’re just making things up and mis reading out of anger.

          • Den Jay

            You said i was taking Winx’s ratings from 2015 and 2016 when i shouldn’t be 😁😁😁😁Game, set, match…….

          • Neigh Sayer

            Because you keep saying it over and over and you also keep saying the rating is for life, wrong. LOL

          • Neigh Sayer

            What don’t you understand about yearly, annual, designated period of one year.

          • Blue Larkspur

            thank you!
            I agree!

          • Den Jay

            With some people it can be very hard work to show,even when the evidence shows it is correct. My pleasure, not because you agree with me but because you are correct.

          • Ruffian31

            Which again proves this ranking is ridiculous and means nothing.

          • Neigh Sayer

            No, it means it’s different, unlike all the other rankings, it’s for best performance of the year. I see nothing wrong with being different, nothing wrong with an award for the singular best performance of the year. I think the only thing that’s silly and ridiculous is all the ignorance of hating it for that when they can just ignore it and use any ranking they want.

          • Ruffian31

            Again my post is about an inconsequential ranking for one effort that means nothing. Any horse could have a singular best performance and then never be heard from again and still be number one on their ranking system. THAT’s my issue.

          • Neigh Sayer

            So you don’t like the Longines rankings for that reason because otherwise you think Winx would be number 1? Please name any other ranking system which has her number 1, name it. How about Timeform which has her also ranked below the top spot, Why no complaints about them. And no it’s not possible for any horse to take the top spot and never be heard from again insinuating a lessor horse could take the spot, it doesn’t work that way.

          • Ruffian31

            I never said who should be number 1, I stated I dislike ALL these rankings because they are popularity contests and are both lopsided and incredibly biased. They all mean absolutely zilch in the scheme of things. I have voiced my displease about all of them many times. Back to the Longines rankings. Yes it is possible for a horse to have a single best effort and not do anything again. Look at Arrogate. He gets that top rating from the Dubai World Cup and hasn’t done a thing since. This has happened before as well over the years. The rankings for Longines as you say are designed for a single best effort. I’m sorry but a ranking like that doesn’t need to exist; it’s simply a ridiculous rating, period.

          • Neigh Sayer

            I don’t give a hoot about rankings, don’t understand why everyone gets so upset or cares so much. You say Longines is silly and ridiculous and could put a non deserving horse on top. Name one non deserving horse they have given their award to at years end. So I would assume you don’t think Timeform to be as silly as Longines so please explain why they have the same horses ranked first and second but are not silly.

          • Ruffian31

            Again, I don’t care for ANY of the rankings and that includes Timeform. I never look at them, read about them, and don’t consider them at all when betting or picking winners. They are just numbers and rankings to which some give out awards for. Some one came up with these to stir up conversation. Nothing more. No one should need some dumb ranking system to determine which is the best horse. We can argue this until we’re all blue in the face. We each have our own opinions and that’s great. Makes for great debates.

          • Neigh Sayer

            I do have a question, why all the hate for Longines because they don’t have her in the top spot. Name one prestigious ranking system that has her at number one. Why aren’t people all up in arms that Timeform also does not have her ranked number one? And they don’t base it on one singular performance.

          • Ruffian31

            My dislike for these rankings isn’t about who is number one, it’s that they are inconsequential, mean nothing, add nothing and are mere popularity contests with no real reason to exist. It’s just something else for everyone to argue about and over.

          • Neigh Sayer

            On that I coudn’t agree more, so why just complaining about Longines, everyone gets so mad when they realize they have no clue how they work.

        • Curt Muth

          According to the ranking NO ONE has run a better race than Arrogate, and until someone run’s a 135 or above he will be on top, no matter what the “Pretty Pony” crowd thinks.

          • Ida Lee

            OK OK….Arrogate is on top….but it’s only cause he is the “Prettiest Pony” on the list …..JUST KIDDING !!! Curt, I’m rooting for Winx cause I love me my fillies and mares…. Winx, I believe, has earned a spot on the top…. I understand the rules for this particular ranking …. I’m having a fun time “discussing” the various standings and, of course, people do tend to root for their favorites….it’s nothing against the super talent (and yes drop-dead gorgeousness) that is Arrogate….I’m sure the Champ would be very happy to learn he has such adoring fans fighting on his behalf….and for the record, I’m one of those fans ….

          • Blue Larkspur

            Arrogate’s fans ARE the “pretty pony” crowd!

      • Harry Plummer

        Sorry Curt, have to agree with Ida on this one.

        • Blue Larkspur

          So, Prove Out could have been ranked higher than Secretariat off of one race … it’s a crock.

          • Rick Blaine

            Obviously not. Secretariat’s Belmont would have been rated far above of Prove Out’s Woodward. That race would not have changed a thing.

          • Blue Larkspur

            some think that Arrogate’s DWC wasn’t the most spectacular thing they have ever seen. In fact, many stakes horses have missed the break and won; Seattle Slew, Winx, I Want Revenge, Liam’s Map, Rags To Riches … so obviously my example is quite accurate

      • Den Jay

        Um the Cox plates that Winx has won by 5 and 8 lenghths were rated 1st and second respectively as the best rated races world wide for the year. So taking that into perspective Winx brained the field by 5 and 8 lengths…The DWC in NEVER classed as an elite world wide race, the field rarely has European horses there. You forgot to mention her 12 Group 1’s you cherry picker…

        • Neigh Sayer

          So now you’re talking about races in 2015 and 2016 but keep saying you understand how this works?

    • Judoon

      Sigh, another person who is clueless about how the rankings work. Smh.

    • Lehane

      Just watched Winx win her 20th consecutive race at Randwick. She was slow in stride and cruised out the back but she was still last when the field was making a lot of ground. Still last after the home turn and for the first time i thought she was going to get beaten when she was so far back in the straight, but she got going and did her usual thing.
      Our gorgeous girl has done it again!

  • Curt Muth

    Just for those who have a hard time understanding how this works:

    “The ratings are based on the performance of horses in elite races held during the designated period which takes in account the quality of opposition and achievements of each horse.”

    So the ratings are for LONGINES World’s Best Racehorse Rankings
    1st January 2017 – 10th September 2017

    Observe the 1st of January trough 10th of September and only the TOP rating during that time frame is counted.

    • Neigh Sayer

      And yet having explained it yet again, many keep yapping about things that have nothing to do with how these rankings are done.

      • Blue Larkspur

        No – the “yapping” ( how rude, BTW ) is about how useless the ranking is….

        • Neigh Sayer

          Send that letter of complaint.

          • Blue Larkspur

            Along with the freedom to express my opinion here about how silly it is …?
            Yes!

          • Neigh Sayer

            Make sure you let them know that, and that basing ratings on best performance is silly and not worthy of your open mindedness. I know, why not protest at a track where they will be sponsoring a race, that will sure let them know that you want them to be base their award on the same criteria of all other awards and not best performance of the year. What don’t you get, this makes them different. How’s that letter to the Oscars coming?

          • Blue Larkspur

            Why do you PERSIST with some idiotic mentioning of the Oscars?
            You certainly know how to grasp at straws, just like your friend, Barbara…
            you need to just quit while you are behind

          • Neigh Sayer

            I’m not behind anything, I’m way ahead just for the simple ability to grasp the meaning of this award and these ratings. You will always be behind until you get them to change it and be like all the others, good luck with that.

    • Judoon

      Probably wasted words, too many ninnies would rather yelp and complain than try to understand.

  • MikeB

    I guess these current rankings are an indication of how they believe the Breeder’s Cup
    will turn out.
    I’ve got a news flash for them. Not only are their rankings incorrect, but more importantly so are their beliefs!

    • Neigh Sayer

      What makes you think this is their indicator of BC results. Arrogates rating came quite a while ago, it can’t be taken away.

  • J

    GUN RUNNER /GUN RUNNER /
    GUN RUNNER /GUN RUNNER.
    HE IS @ THE TOP OF HIS GAME.
    UNBEATABLE/UNSTOPPABLE.
    ASMUSSEN IS TOPS.

  • Olebobbowers

    Screw LONGINES, I’d rather wear a Timex now! How can we have faith in a product manufactured by a company that thinks Arrogate is the best in the world? It’s time for Longines to quit wasting our time. (no pun intended…yeah, right olebob ;)

  • Blue Larkspur

    Proof positive this is a useless ranking

  • typo

    West Coi(USA) [121] won his fourth consecutive race by taking the Travers Stakes presented by NYRA Bets (G1)
    Never heard of this West Coi…

  • J. Nasium

    Well on the Timex Top Ten Gun Runner is on top and running away…….

  • Den Jay

    Let me show you the bias against Australian horses. Lady Aurelia is a brilliant filly though Timeform gave her i think a 134 rating for winning the Kings

  • Elle D

    Mr. Baffert did a fly-by at the annual Keeneland Consignors Party last night. We had a brief chat, I could not resist asking about Arrogate . . .

  • Ruffian31

    What a joke this listing is. Arrogate hasn’t won since March, but Gun Runner and Winx have won three straight since then and Ulysses even deserves a higher ranking than where he is. Arrogate hasn’t even worked since his last race. Just another ranking system that’s rigged for a someone’s favorite and that literally means…nothing.

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