Saratoga Springs: ICE Arrests 11 In Immigration Crackdown

by | 06.16.2017 | 8:37am

Eleven people were taken into custody by Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents Thursday in Saratoga Springs for being in the country illegally.

ABC News10 reports that 10 men and a 17-year-old male were arrested. Three are facing federal felony charges for illegal re-entry into the country. The station reports that the arrests are part of a recent crackdown by ICE agents. Sixteen people were also arrested two weeks ago in the area.

As expected, opinions vary greatly on the topic of illegal immigration. While some people strongly support the government cracking down and making arrests, others find it worrying, to say the least.

“I think that it will cripple the entire economy,” area resident Gigi Stetler told News10. “We need to wake up and start to realize that's who does the work that nobody else wants to do.”

Stetler asked, “If the race track has to shut down because there's nobody to take care of the horses, what's gonna happen?”

Read more at ABC News10

  • kyle

    From the woman quoted in the piece another fine example of astute, level-headed progressive worldview. “There will be no horse racing in Saratoga and the entire economy will collapse” if our immigration laws are enforced.

    • Rue de Jean

      Your sarcasm, I presume? If so, I agree.

    • al

      let them come in legally and nothing will happen

  • Larry Sterne

    how about focusing on drug dealers and those who abuse their wives . that arrest of a 17 yr old will be a glorious notch on the ice gun handle. this is sad. honest workers doing honest work that locals don’t want to do nor can do. all those arrested should be given special work visas.

    • Peter Scarnati

      It’s truly amazing to me how you describe one who has entered and re-entered the country in clear violation of law as “honest.”

      • kyle

        I think we should always remember, the individual illegal migrant is only the expression of the corrupt, undemocractic, illiberal policies that lure them here.

      • Larry Sterne

        I can’t see how you can fault a good m an for wanting to work If somebody tried to come to my farm wanting to just work after traveling 900 miles by foot and other means and then send money back home to help his family I would do my best to help him find work. Especially if he made that trip twice.

        • Peter Scarnati

          I will re-iterate my position here:
          I don’t consider those who knowingly break the law and then once again knowingly do it again “honest” or a “good man.” Not saying they are monsters or dangerous criminals mind you, but certainly not “honest” or “good.”

          • Curt Muth

            Same as all our ancestors who came and stole the Americas from the locals.

          • kyle

            Your view of human history is cartoonish.

        • lastromantribune

          Then your no better than the contractor’s that pick up there daily workers in the southwest at the Home Depot’s.

    • Longshot

      Your supposed to get the work visa before you enter the country. If you don’t you are illegal. Understand

      • Deb Curtis Olivas

        Have you , or any others committing on the work visas , tried to obtain one , have any of you filed petitions to have workers with visas ?
        If not then you can not fully understand the difficulty , not to mention there is a cap on visas .
        Do some research before making simple judgements and statements, because the immigration system is flawed at best and in bad need of reform .

        • Longshot

          Yeah. The immigration system is flawed. So that means just come on over illegally

        • LongTimeEconomist

          The system needs to be improved by Congress. But getting them to agree how is impossible.

          • Longshot

            You are certainly right there

  • Lonestar95

    What Kyle said

  • FastBernieB

    It is truly sad that people who are willing to work hard to scrape out a living are unable to do so while those able bodied people who choose not to work seem to get by through the various welfare programs. In a nation of immigrants, those people fortunate enough to be born into citizenship have been truly blessed. For those who are trying to get there, its a whole different ball game.
    Immigration laws, greed that leads to the exploitation of undocumented workers, morality, compassion, legality – multi layers of complexity to say the least.

    • Ruffian31

      Then let them do it legally like millions before them.

      • togahombre

        there was a time when you can legally come to this country without paying an immigration attorney 8 to 12 grand, and thats the real problem

  • M smith

    No illegals. Wages you deserve for working seven days a week 50 to 60 hrs. That’s why they can’t get help. They don’t want to share the wealth

    • Bruce Walker

      M Smith exactly what wealth are you talking about the racing industry is not a money maker very few owners show a profit. Remember one thing it is the horse owners that foot the bill.

      • LongTimeEconomist

        Finally, someone posts comments acknowledging what some ideas promoted by many would do to day rates and owners’ bills.

  • Bill Landes

    This——————————————-is a problem! When Burger King runs outta tomatoes for a Whopper cause no pickers around, maybe we’ll get the Prez’s attention.(I think he likes Whoppers)

    • kyle

      Can I get an option against that occurrence?

    • Bryan Langlois

      I think it would be me more of there being no tomatoes left for ketchup, as I have heard his favorite meal is steak with ketchup

    • Five

      I will help….on my next order…..hold the tomatoes.
      Let the Prez eat.

  • kcbca1

    What a hugh waste of resources.

    • Ruffian31

      No it’s not. If they headed the law, they wouldn’t be in that position. There are many channels they can go through to acquire legal status, they just choose to take the easy way. I’ve known many people who immigrated to this country and were proud to earn their legal status. And every one of them is appalled when someone chooses to remain illegal because they feel they should go the extra mile like they did.

      • Deb Curtis Olivas

        There is no easy way , trainers file petitions to get workers who are then given a work visa which can be extended , it is a months long process and very cumbersome and expensive .
        The immigration system needs overhauled .

        • Ruffian31

          Right, which is the proper channel. It might be expensive, but millions of people have gone through this process and successfully become citizens. If they really want to be one in this country, regardless of how long it takes, they should go for it. Doesn’t mean they can’t be granted work VISAs. But I agree, there’s lots about this system that’s…outdated and useless.

          • Deb Curtis Olivas

            Not talking about citizenship , I am talking about the guest worker program .It is beyond ridiculous.

  • Mike Oliveto

    If you’re going to deport all the illegal landscapers, dishwashers, stable hands, construction workers then you need to also follow through with the other side of the equation which is to cut off all welfare, food stamps, and other forms of “assistance” for those that remain because throwing out the workers and then also paying the remaining to not work equals no one willing or available to do the work. All the armchair politicians posting on this thread obviously don’t run a business that requires low-skill, low-wage, high-fatigue employment.

    • DanM

      In the chain restaurant industry, new locations are planned in accordance with the availability of illegal immigrant labor. The supply-demand equilibrium has become disrupted because of a low wage workforce of people who do not possess a valid visa. The jobs are created in the first place with the intention of filling those jobs with people who are in the country illegally.

      If more deportations means fewer Applebees, Outbacks and Cheesecake Factories then so be it. Casual dining is a blight on the landscape – and the waistline.

      • Mike Oliveto

        That’s great. Are affordable homes for purchase and/or the maintenance of them also a blight? You’re posting on this thread so you must have some interest in horse racing. Is the backbone of this industry also a blight?

        • DanM

          “You’re posting on this thread so you must have some interest in horse racing. Is the backbone of this industry also a blight?”

          The financial structure of the racing industry is a blight. Artificial revenue from a cut of casino action and artificially low wages from illegal immigrant labor means the underpinnings of thoroughbred racing are unsustainable. The industry has no chance of becoming viable with such a Mickey Mouse balance sheet.

          • Mike Oliveto

            I don’t know that the wages are artificially low. Let’s cut off all forms of public assistance and then we’ll see what true supply and demand looks like when able bodied lazy system-gamers start to feel hunger pangs. And you conveniently ignored my questions about those that build and maintain homes. Or also those that work in the hot kitchens of eateries. Seems pretty arrogant to judge which industries are worthy of your approval and which are not, especially when there is a legitimate demand for the product, whether or not it has an adverse effect on your waistline.

      • Five

        Dan Marino….is that you ? I am a big fan….was, anyway.

    • togahombre

      what you just said is exactly whats so crazy about this mess, get rid of the people that want to work while rolling out the lay-z-boy for those that wont

  • Bryan Langlois

    Not an easy fix with such a divided country right now. Some argue that if you offer a truly adequate wage, people will come out to do the work. I agree that the wage has to increase for these workers, and I am curious to know what all who advocate for this think an adequate wage should be (am not being sarcastic here. I truly am curious as I do not know). I do also think that when you look at trends among the millennial generation, you will find fewer and fewer willing to do that kind of labor for any type of wage. There will be some, but not the number needed to fill the void. The racing world is just caught right now between the cross fire of the whole anti- or pro- legal/illegal immigrant arguments.
    I truly do believe that not enough legal immigrants or American citizens would be willing to undertake the type of work being a groom or stable worker entails. I wish it were not the case. It is not just a racetrack problem either. Look at a lot of the trade jobs out there that offer amazing wages and benefits, yet sit vacant because no one wants to put in the labor required for them or really “work” for a living these days. There is too much of a push towards a college degree that everyone seems to think will net them a 6 figure salary and 3 day work week upon getting their diploma.
    Oh…and the biggest reason a lot of Millennials will not take on stable work….well….there is no “app” for that.

    • SteveVictor1

      Just pay a decent wage and Americans will do the work. It’s supply and demand.

      • Bryan Langlois

        Again…what is the definition or number of “decent”?? 12 dollars and hour?? 15?? 35? Should they be more salaried employess considering the unusual hour demands placed on them? Should it be a pay and benefits package such as free housing? Everyone seems to be crying that they should be pay more (and I 100% agree), but they also never seem to put a number to it. I don’t think I could put a number on it without having more info as I am not involved in the day to day of backside operations to make a decent guess. I do think that starting around 13 dollars an hour might be enticing enough to bring some people back to the backside to work. I could, of course, also be way off on that figure.

        • Peter Scarnati

          Never mind “decent.”
          In the past 20 years or so, many, many horsemen around the Nation have seen their revenues (i.e. purses) explode AT LEAST fivefold due to casino revenues.
          The questions should be: Have grooms and hotwalkers seen a likewise increase in their pay in this time frame?
          We all know what the answer is. In my mind, horsemen are true hypocrites here as they whine about not being able to find employees. While they are running for many times the money they used to run for, they HAVE NOT spread that wealth to their help.

          • Farmer

            Walmart starts at $9/hr. The racetrack pays riders $700. and grooms $100/ per horse. It’s not the money honey

        • DanM

          The invisible hand should determine what a “decent” wage is. Unfortunately, the invisible hand gets burned when illegal immigrants put downward pressure on the wages of U.S. citizens and legal immigrants.

          • LongTimeEconomist

            Economic studies show that is not always true.

      • whirlaway

        Nòoooooo I have had careers with very good paying jobs and retirements. In recent times (not all) but far too many have failed to grasp work ethic even starting with a decent starting pay and health care. Often stroll in late a couple times a week, in a venue that is customer oriented, calling out sick way too frequently causing co-workers to pick up the slack, not to mention checking their cell phones I am sure for what they view earth shaking information during work time and for smokers those breaks will be needed. Rounding out complaining about working a partial day on Christmas eve which is not a holiday and throwing in a few others for good measure. People feel companies owe them all this plus a good salary.

        • AZXyb

          There are some lousy American workers. Illegal aliens are not the only ones with a false sense of entitlement. However, there are various legal temporary worker programs to fill unmet labor needs. I know growers don’t like the programs because they not only have to pay a fair wage, but also ensure decent working conditions, sanitation, and some pre-planning. Boo-hoo.
          They prefer cheap, convenient, illegal labor. They should be prosecuted, heavily fined and spend time in prison. Any enterprise based on illegal labor does not deserve to survive.

          • whirlaway

            In my book illegal applies to all including the people that do not go through proper
            channels and be sure they hire legal employees at a fair wage. How about the politicians that have been caught with hired illegal help in their private home. One
            of my personal favorites, they really should know better and of course always an excuse. Yes I have worked with some less then stellar American workers and on the flip side equally legal immigrant workers that know what work ethics mean. One such person was a legal immigrant from Mexico that in his country was educated as
            an accountant. When he first arrived he worked as a groom in the show barn I had my mare at and he was top notch. Stayed about a year until he was able to get work
            starting in his field we missed him but of course were happy for him. He would stop
            back every so often to visit. Not right to paint all with the same brush but legal
            is all some people want followed including my neighbor that came legal from Peru and then
            had to wait for his family. I left Calif in 1998 after living there my whole life so I am
            more than famaliar with the issue my entire life when other parts of the country maybe were a little less famaliar nothing new to me.

          • AZXyb

            I agree that illegal applies to those who employ even one illegal alien. The employers should all face significant consequences as well, which should increase in severity depending on the number of illegal worker and the length of time it has been going on.

        • Farmer

          This country is going down the tubes because young people don’t want to work anymore. Betcha that dairy farmer had no trouble finding high school kids for the summer 29 years ago. They refer to it as grunt work, but it’s an introduction into the workforce an an exercise in self discipline. Kids in China work. 20 years from now THEY will be #1.

          • whirlaway

            When my husband was a kid he had a service mowing lawns in his rural town learned to bill his customers and aware he needed to show up. I was surprised last
            winter there were kids that live in our neighborhood that came around with their
            shovels wanting to shovel snow. But your right not as typical as it once was. When I
            was about 12 or 13 before this ever became a service I had a few customers that
            worked and I walked dogs after school and on the week ends walk hots for Polo
            players. That was how I had money for riding lessons. We have taken a wrong
            fork in the road at some point and surprisingly I hear parents say about their children
            now raising kids they are appalled at their kids methods. Really I hate to admit
            it started with my generation in the 60’s and blossomed from there.

          • Miss the Magic

            Summer work for high school kids to day is sitting in their rooms playing video games 18 hours a day.

        • Miss the Magic

          You are right I have tried Americans few want to do the work. I have had woman that work out but no men. The horse Want to be cared for seven days a week, they don’t take Sunday off.

          • whirlaway

            I worked from 1964 two days out of high school and worked my way up in the phone company a summer job became 33 yrs and I retired at 50 then moved to my preferred area and being so young went to another company for 18 yrs with another
            small retirement. So I think that makes me well versed on watching the downfall of the work force. Too much whining in America and it is all about me plus hanging on
            devices ( and yes I have them but often leave the house leaving My cell ) my husband will say your out alone get you phone in case of emergency. I do not
            live life through a 7 inch device, that is no life for me. Sympathy is for those that
            need it not the every day whining over indulged cry baby. When I see all these protests destroying hard working people’s businesses I guess all these people have
            vacation days from work. Yes we have a right to protest not destroy. I am big on writing to my representatives and do it frequently and recently stopped something important to me in my state along with others but the quiet majority will usually not be seen and I like it that way but we stand for our rights. But I will not ok people to destroy. Your right I regularly see big construction and equipment companies that
            have difficulty getting employees and these are higher paying jobs, read about the
            same things in construction magazines. One hospital in my town is offering a $15,000 bonus for O R nurses with 1 yr experience, that is a good oppurtunity to get
            into a top hospital. The economy is not perfect but there are some options. When
            I was a young kid I would rather work at a stable than bag groceries, harder work yes
            but more enjoyable, as I say America has lost touch with the horse.

          • Miss the Magic

            You are so right !!!! The cell phone may be one of our worst addictions. I have one but only use it for phone calls from folks I work for. NO SOCIAL MEDIA. I think it’s destructive media not social.

          • whirlaway

            We have become a rather additive behavior country and and prescriptions fix me quick are too prevalent. This is the only thread I blog on and it is more than enough.
            Facebook is non existent for me, it definitely has a useful purpose but as usual many
            do not know how to use it for that purpose. Facebook to me means stay out of my
            face. I am busy living life and having fun before I kick the bucket. After retiring from
            the phone company I don’t want to be talking on the phone very much and certainly not when I am out enjoying my life. The last thing I want is being pestered when
            I am enjoying Saratoga.

          • Miss the Magic

            Whirlaway I hope to be bringing a couple of young horse to Saratoga this year if all continues to go well for them. It is horse heaven. My first trip was in 1983 , I hoped it would never change. It has grown but is still the August place to be. Checking out places to stay for my help and myself, my end up at Lake George, still not bad. I am lucky right now my help is all legal. It cost over 25k and mounds of paper work for my assistant of 14 years, to be legal even though he was married to an American girl. Oh and five years.

      • togahombre

        just yesterday i spoke with a dairy farmer from around saratoga, he told me what he’s willing to pay his help, and it’s not nearly as low as what people think, when people come up to him about a job, he describes the work and the hours, he said most, after hearing what the job is just say they can’t work like that and walk

        • Ruffian31

          Because society is basically lazy these days and want hand outs.

          • togahombre

            then how does it make sense to make it so difficult on those those who are very willing to work hard

          • Ruffian31

            Not everything will make sense. The problem is, they are illegal and they should follow proper channels to become legal (aka a work VISA) like many others before them. Today unfortunately people have been handed things free for nearly a decade and now no one is held accountable for their actions.

          • togahombre

            legal immigration is not possible without involving an immigration attorney, ($$$)

          • LongTimeEconomist

            Our immigration laws need to be improved.

          • togahombre

            absolutely

          • Charles Smith

            What’s your definition of “improved”?

          • LongTimeEconomist

            Desired immigrants (primarily ones for industries that need them, like agriculture, and immigrants with above average skills) could gain limited resident alien status easier and cheaper than under the present system.

          • lastromantribune

            you know it. especially in NY

        • DanM

          He can always ask for an increase in his USDA dairy price support subsidy and pass that increase along to his workers in the form of higher salaries and benefits.

          There are numerous parallels between thoroughbred racing and the dairy industry. Both employ many people who should have found a new line of work long ago, but they remain, propped up by various government programs.

        • AZXyb

          Please share what he is willing to pay his workers.
          I can speak to housecleaning. In my area they are paid between $18-25/hour, and they are all natural born citizens.

          • togahombre

            18$/ hour

          • AZXyb

            Then I would suggest they need to offer more. It’s definitely harder work than house cleaning!

          • LongTimeEconomist

            And they don’t get those wages for 40 hours a week.

      • FastBernieB

        Empirical evidence suggests that this simply isn’t true.

      • lastromntribune

        agreed

      • lastromntribune

        sometimes Steve people are just plain LAZY

      • Michael Castellano

        But you missed the point. The desire of most employers is that the lowest wage possible should be paid. That’s why workers fought and died for unions. That’s largely forgotten today. Don’t like the use of immigrant labor?. Well all our parents or ancestors came here as cheap immigrant labor, and most were hated when they first arrived. The purpose of business is profit, and many today are dependent on cheap labor. Like many in the racing industry.

        • togahombre

          employers want productivity, lower labor costs without productivity will kill a business just as fast as an overburden of costs

          • Michael Castellano

            They want and need BOTH. Wages adjusted for inflation are much lower today, and productivity, is much higher..

          • togahombre

            margins are much lower too

      • Charles Smith

        If only it were that simple…..

      • totes

        Okay, and tracks will just raise takeout 5% across the board to compensate. Good with you? That’s the other simple piece of economic truth that this argument misses. No company is going to cut their own profits because raising wages and hiring legal citizens is “the right thing to do.” The extra cost will get passed onto the consumer.

        That’s especially true in racing, where tracks are hemorrhaging money as it is….but it applies to any industry that relies on undocumented labor. Want Americans making $15/hr to pick berries all day? Fine, but don’t whine when strawberries are $20 a pound at your local supermarket.

        And what is a “decent wage”? We argue that burger flippers shouldn’t make more than minimum wage, so is $7-$10 an hour a “decent wage” for working in fields all day, or on the backstretch? Because that’s not a decent wage by almost any definition. And if you think they should make more than that, now you have to justify why picking fruit is worth more than working in retail or fast food.

        Or, we can just leave well enough alone and let these people keep doing jobs that Americans don’t really want, and not have to stretch our wallets thinner to afford inevitable price hikes.

    • Evelyn Waugh

      Paraphrasing a once famous English essayist & novelist: Everything that’s wrong with the world can be summed up in one word: (Millennials).

    • Kathryn Papp

      When i was a kid we all begged to be working students and do barn chores for rides. Can’t even find teenagers to do that anymore, nevertheless track help that knows anything to work the hours and labor necessary

  • whirlaway

    There was a major recent drug bust after surveillance and wire taps in a state next to mine.
    Of those arrested 5 were illegal 5 additional were illegal and deported numerous times and on
    wire tap conversations these drug dealers were heard laughing about overdoses.
    I am fine with legal immigration and knowing who the heck is coming here, my grandmother came through Ellis Island alone at 14 with her
    relative as a sponsor waiting for her in the early 1900’s as did my husbands grand parents. But I
    am a bit confused about why in all phases of life illegal seems to be a misunderstood word.
    I guess my parents were idiots teaching me legal versus illegal, by the way they were staunch
    Democrats and my father in 1963 said If we do not address illegal immigrants we will have some big problems and I guess we do, he was just a regular hard working man nothing big
    and fancy but his kids better not be caught in illegal activities. Of course I also was raised to
    get out work and support myself and living at home I paid room and board to my family. If soft
    hearted parents who think their little darlings do nothing wrong or contribute to their problems
    with bad behavior start treating them tougher there would be enough to work, of course passing drug tests is another issue.First we need some basic discipline.

  • DanM

    Again we read a description of the employer-employee relationship expressed in non-transactional terms. Allow me to clarify, using Ms. Stetler’s statement as a starting point.

    “I think that it will cripple the entire economy,” area resident Gigi Stetler told News10. “We need to wake up and start to realize that’s who does the work that nobody else wants to do.” FOR THE WAGE THAT THE EMPLOYER IS WILLING TO PAY.

    • Bryan Langlois

      As I asked in my comment above, what is an acceptable wage for someone working on the backside. I generally am very curious in this answer as I have seen this “increased or livable wage” stated all the time, but no one puts a number on it.

      • LongTimeEconomist

        It’s all about supply and demand, despite government intervention.

  • Debra Sheffield

    Every trainer is not a Bob Baffert or Todd P with tons of horses and money coming in. The ones I witnessed in Arkansas were trailering, training, their own little groups and barely making it. Would be great to see an increased wage, but were does that come from? Many tracks are barely full on race day. Only the biggest races, the classics fill up. The money does not trickle down, politics has proved that. The conditions these people live in is also not the best. The road to legalization is expensive, very long with waiting lists and hours of waiting at the immigration offices. And, with our convoluted system you don’t know whom to trust as shown here. So, why expose yourself too much, just do your job and keep your head down. Most of the stories that immigrants tell just to get here are gut renching. Catching trains, spending cash to get on vans, trusting strangers not to kill them. We, as a nation, prove everyday that we are callous and pompous with little respect for human life. Our tax dollars are paying for these people, is what I hear the most. The truth is we pay with insurance premiums for their health care, we pay with taxes, we pay our law enforcement to go after them as well. Why not a worker VISA program? Why not an education program for the ones stuck in the middle? Why not single payer health care?? Why not?? I feel like I live around very ignorant people that are selfish and don’t care what happens to anyone else. If you don’t want to hear what might help the problem, then you are the problem.

    • lastromntribune

      you cant cherry pick which laws to ignore…we just went through 8 yrs of that crap…it promotes a disregard for law.

    • wmk3400

      Debra, thank you. Yours is a very articulate and astute observation and posting. I agree with everything you say and pardon me for being 6 days late but I wanted to let you know that you are hardly alone. I’m far from rich and certainly don’t know all the answers but people are just hateful and like to blame their problems on everybody else while never looking themselves in the mirror. People are narcissists and go through life without a soul. It’s all about them.

      I concluded long ago that the world’s screwed up but I cannot look a person in the eyes and hate them nor can I deny that same person the rights and opportunities that both my ancestors and I had. The current system between the visa and immigration programs is beyond dysfunctional. Those who keep harping on “legal” immigration have little idea just how convoluted and expensive the process is and that it doesn’t mean anything to anybody who is desperate enough to be here without proper documentation. The peons who do these low wage labor intensive jobs are the very people who not only cannot afford this process but cannot afford the wait either. They’ve also spent everything just to get here and take their chances. There has to be a better and easier way to do things legally.

  • kyle

    For a thorough, mind-numbing survey of The Alice in Wonderland terrain the pro-illegal migration crowd treads, catch Steve Byk’s interview from earlier today about visas and migrants. Their talk was ostensibly about insufficient available visas, but it was impossible to disentangle that from their defense of unfettered, undocumented migration. Byk, at one point, admits that the migrants are terribly exploited after and before calling for more exploitation. Finally, they wrap the interview laughing over an anecdote of Canadian immigration enforcing its laws, that after explaining to us in as many ways they can think of why the current US administration is evil for trying to enforce ours

    • Hamish

      If this is a precursor to intensive racetrack labor raids to come, all those laughs and shoulder shrugs will be replaced with tears and shivers of great concern. If the horse industry is a target of ICE, some pretty high level strategy sessions towards new labor solutions should be ongoing, not only at the horsemen level, but among our chiefs.

  • Tim

    Why have they chosen Saratoga? Does Trump hold a grudge against them? Have other race tracks had similar raids?

    • Hamish

      Wow, that’s a scary thought. Is there any evidence to suggest the administration targeted Saratoga or are you just speculating? I don’t believe that either of the two roundups were at the racetrack backside, and ICE hasn’t yet released the specific places these immigrants worked, but when interviewed by the press, local residents keep throwing out the “restaurant and racetrack” labor force.

  • lastromantribune

    I think that it will cripple the entire economy,” area resident Gigi Stetler told News10. “We need to wake up and start to realize that’s who does the work that nobody else wants to do.”./..WHAT A CROCK OF SHIT…get legal…..no way on gods green earth SPA closes for lack of help…give me a break…..it is the trainers who are responsible for people that are illegal working ……I am tired of the leftist nonsense EXCUSES…pay a good wage and you wont need to hire illegals….what happens when one of these illegals drives drunk without a license and kills someone ? happens all the time in NY ….lame excuses don’t fly anymore….maiden races for 100k ….you cant afford decent wages so get legal workers ? spare me the subterfuge.

  • Ida Lee

    If you come to this Country illegally to begin with, it’s very difficult to adjust your status because first, you committed a crime by sneaking into the Country or staying past your legal time, and the Immigration Service is so screwed up. Having worked in Immigration Law and advocated for helping the undocumented change to documented, I can tell you even with a lawyer, it’s almost impossible to become legal. But, it can be done… the cost is quite steep….took over $10,000 and approx. 10 years. …owners and trainers who need these workers should look into joining together and lobby to bring people to work in the horse industry from the Spanish speaking countries where so many of these workers come from….it’s like nurses from the Philippines, or hotel workers or the seasonal farm workers….who are sponsored by the employer to work here…if the employer wishes, they can apply for permanent residency on behalf of their employee ….

    • Deb Curtis Olivas

      Thank you , nice to see someone speak up that knows of the problems with the immigration system .

      • Ida Lee

        It’s the worse run government agency I have ever been unfortunate enough to have to deal with on a regular basis….but let me emphasis, that does not mean that we can change the rules indiscriminately …. we need to find a way to improve the rules to make the system work…..

  • AZXyb

    Somehow I just can’t see that serving the interests of race tracks justifies illegal migration and unlawful presence, not enforcing laws, and flipping off national sovereignty. If they can’t get legal labor for the pay they offer and won’t use temporary worker programs so they have to shut down, it’s not like the nation will be deprived of something vital.
    The entire nation should not be burdened with tens of millions of illegal aliens just for the sake of race track fans. Outrageous!

  • Whynotwest

    This is an extremely controversial topic, but one thing is for sure. It will undoubtedly have an effect on the racing industry. And that’s unfortunate.

  • Mr J

    I came to this country legally in the 70’s and worked hard and paid $ to become a citizen. And never took an benefit or entitlement. Illegals are wanted by people that want cheaper labor and pols who want votes. What can’t people understand about “illegal” ?

  • Leonard

    No one is above the law. The same way we Americans have to obey the laws of this great country so do those that are in this country illegally. There is a process to live in this country legally an that is what has to be done, not take the attitude that you don’t have to do that, I do what I want is not acceptable anymore. Did they really think we would never enforce our immigration laws. Kudos to our President Donald Trump for addressing this issue that has gotten out of control.

  • Audrey Harvey

    I agree with Bryan Langolis. People have no idea what is going on with the pay scale in this country. The Spanish population is being paid far less than the blacks who are paid far less than the whites. The farther down the ladder you are the more work heaped on your ‘back’. I am 70, been there done that.

  • Nell Ray

    As a British citizen I find it remarkable that the Americans are moving the goalposts if I may borrow in American football saying. The fact that people are on here saying that illegal people and I do underline the word illegal are doing jobs that other Americans don’t want to do is quite astonishing to say the least. That’s the same argument that Colonial citizens made when they imported slaves from Africa. The law is the law. America is either a nation of laws or any of rule Breakers. To the Americans who believe that America should allow legal citizens to stay I asked should they also open up all of the prisons in America. Should the rapists murderers drug dealers molesters also be allowed to repopulate? I hate to come off as the Brit schooling or scolding Americans but please hold people accountable.

    • Tinky

      Prisoners? Bad example.

      A high percentage of those populating American prisons were incarcerated for dubious/minor drug offenses, and absolutely should be allowed to go free. Furthermore, a remarkably high percentage are repeat offenders, which is largely a reflection of what an abject failure the prison system has been. Etc.

  • jim jermyn

    I have 7 kids they all workand pay bills!It makes them healthy ,happy, and safe!

  • xhunter4u

    It’s amazing what sort of motivation a little enforcement of the law will do. That’s why the illegal crossings of the southern border are way down. If the trainers want backstretch workers they should hire people with green cards or citizens. Anything else and they ought to be arrested themselves because they’re hiring without a good I-9.

  • Saratoga Bob

    After working 50 years in the construction industry I’ve seen it all The problem could be fixed in 60 days if the gov.Really wanted to inforce our laws .Starting tommorow any employer who hires an illegal alien without properly utilizing e- verify background checks would be subject to 1000.00 per day fines.Including penalties for repeated offenders such has jail time.Lets start taking responsibility for all issues surrounding Illegal immigrants such has the cost of education for their millions of children!!!Americans can and will do the work unfortunatley you have to provide The with a job that pays into Ss and one that pays state and federal taxes .

  • Betty Earl

    “cripple the entire economy,” “race track has to shut down ” One person said two very foolish statements in a matter of seconds.

  • Richard C

    The politics of fraidy cat and bellowing that storm clouds are drooping over everyone, everything, everywhere…..is a winning hand almost every election cycle.

  • joey

    I am 34 year old white male and I groomed horses for basically last 7 years. It is my
    favorite job to do….I absolutely love rubbing horses on the race track. But hrs/wages forced me out of the job eventually(and being away from home for months at a time). 500 bucks a week for at least 70 hrs of work 7 days a week; the industry will never find enough sober/high school graduate legals to do that work. If the illegals are run out industry will have to adjust. I wish I knew how to fix the problem . Hopefully people smarter than I can get this sorted out before it reaches crisis level.

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