Federal Judge Rules Against Contest Operator Derby Wars In Stronach Group Lawsuit

by | 05.17.2017 | 8:14am

A federal judge has ruled that horse racing tournament website Derby Wars has been operating as an off-track betting business and is subject to the federal Interstate Horseracing Act, which requires consent of racetracks and racing commissions prior to accepting any wagers.

The order, entered on Monday by Judge James Otero of U.S. District Court for the Central District of California, came in a lawsuit filed against Louisville, Ky.-based Horse Racing Labs, parent company of Derby Wars, by Stronach Group racetrack associations operating at Santa Anita Park, Golden Gate Fields, Laurel Park, Pimlico and Portland Meadows.

The original suit, filed in Dec. 2, 2015, alleged four causes of action: violation of the Interstate Horseracing Act; violation of the Racketeering Influence and Corruption Act (RICO); violation of California's Unfair Competition Law; and Intentional Inteference with Prospective Economic Advantage.

An earlier ruling dismissed the RICO and Interference with Prospective Economic Advantage elements of the suit.

Monday's order granted Stronach Group's motion for partial summary judgment and denied Derby Wars' motion for summary judgment to dismiss the suit.

The key issue in the case centered on whether entry fees paid by participants in Derby Wars contests that are returned to the winners as cash prizes constitute a wager. The contest results are based on the outcome of races and their associated pari-mutuel payoffs, which are compiled as points. Winners are the participants with the highest number of points from their tournament race selections. Prizes are based on entry fees from the actual or projected number of players, with Derby Wars retaining a percentage of the entry fee, which the judge equated as the takeout or “vigorish.”

Attorneys for Derby Wars argued the contests are not wagers, but contests as defined by California Business and Professions Code Section 17539.3 as “Any game, contest … or plan that holds out or offers to prospective participants the opportunity to receive or compete for gifts, prizes, or gratuities as determined by skill or any combination of chance and skill and that is, or in whole or in part may be, conditioned upon the payment of consideration.”

In his ruling, Otero wrote that Stronach Group attorneys argued that “because Derby Wars contestants pay entry fees into a wagering pool, and play against each other for the right to claim the cash prize, the contests are most similar to exchange wagering. California Professions Code Section 19604.5(a)(7) defines exchange wagering as ‘a form of pari-mutuel wagering in which two or more persons place identically opposing wagers in a given market.'”

However, Otero added in his ruling that “whether or not the Derby Wars contests are pari-mutuel wagering is a sufficient but not necessary condition for the applicability of the IHA.”

Citing a case involving whether a jackpot poker game constituted an illegal lottery (Bell Gardens Bicycle Club v. Department of Justice), Otero wrote “the court agrees with (Stronach Group) that Derby Wars entry fees are more akin to the wagers which form the ‘pot' in poker.”

Otero concluded: “Having determined that Derby Wars entry fees constitute a wager, where such wagers are placed with Derby Wars in Kentucky, with respect to the outcome of a horserace, or series of up to six individual horseraces, as the case may be, taking place in California, Oregon, Maryland, and/or Florida, and where such wagers are received over the Internet, the Court concludes that (Derby Wars) are operating an off-track betting system subject to the Interstate Horseracing Act.”

Otero wrote the Interstate Horseracing Act can be used as the Stronach Group's “predicate for a California Business and Professions Code claim.”

Stronach Group is seeking injunctive relief, along with monetary damages and restitution for money the suit claims was “wrongfully” obtained. A June 27 trial date has been set.

  • Mike Oliveto

    Once again the courts in this country fail miserably. Derby Wars is more like daily fantasy sports than “wagering”. Stronach Group should be ashamed of themselves. If anything Derby Wars promoted interest in races run at Stronach tracks and probably led to additional wagering. Stronach should be thanking Derby Wars, not suing them. For a guy who invented the Horse Racing Wizard and Frank’s Energy Drink you’d think he’d be happy someone is doing something to promote his racing.

    • cool charlie

      Totally wrong , I now play Derby Wars for my action and have stopped betting at the track

      • DeeJennerIt

        So do I, but it is so dissimilar from actual betting. My “action” before usually resulted in big losses, thanks to takeouts and the nature of betting. I’m actually quite successful (profitable) at Derby Wars’ contests format. I, too, will boycott Stronach tracks, the greedy pig that he is. It is a mistake for the racing industry to not back a company like Derby Wars. Fantasy sports is where the future is and if the racing industry is to grow and attract “new” fans, then companies like Derby Wars are definitely the future, period.

        • cool charlie

          Unless you have a new owner lined up to buy the racetracks watch what you wish for .

          • DeeJennerIt

            Come again, cool charlie. Not sure I understand, interested in hearing your opinion.

          • cool charlie

            You think people are lining up to buy these tracks , there not exactly money makers . Stronach made his billions elsewhere not running racetracks

          • DeeJennerIt

            Oh, I see. Just wondering where in my original comment I suggested other people buy the racetracks? And as my friend, “tony c” did earlier, I’d like to correct your grammar and spelling by telling you that in this case, “they’re” is more appropriate than “there” as it relates to your “there not exactly money makers” statement. Thanks cool charlie. Have a good Wednesday.

          • cool charlie

            Only in America the rest of the world uses proper grammer .My point is if you have somebody else willing to finance these tracks you should be thanking Stronach , if he walked away the result would not be positive .

          • talkingman17

            Hes making lots at Gulfstream.

          • JustJoe

            Not enough if you look at total capital spend and total return on investment.

          • talkingman17

            Stronach never uses his own money. He’s very smart. He built magna with the banks money.

        • Joey Seay

          Chances are they are trying to beat them up so they can buy the company at a lower price later.. Then rebrand it.

          • tony c

            I actually agree with you here…this is about using the courts to try to get a competitive advantage…a sympathetic court ruling (which they seem to have gotten) puts the Stronach group in an enviable position by creating a favourable negotiating environment but also, and this is most important, barriers to entry to others that might want to take up the contest business. And, anybody who knows anything about market barriers also understands that high barriers to entry in an industry stifle innovation…something that the racing industry desperately needs.

          • ToddR

            100% right!

          • DeeJennerIt

            Sounds about right Joey Seay.

    • KenH

      I agree. Since I am handicapping races in a Derby Wars contest, I also place bets on the actual races. Sometimes I question just how much the powerful people in this sport really want to see it thrive versus simply lining their own pockets.

      • cool charlie

        Try not use handicapping and Derby Wars in the same sentence , unless you play lockdown games it’s more like The Price Is Right

        • KenH

          Lockdown games are pretty much all I play.

          • DeeJennerIt

            Survivor is very handicapping-based, too, which is all that I play. Yes, I agree, non-Survivor and non-Lockdown games can be like the Price Is Right, but if you were flat-betting those races, you’d lose also. As the fantasy/tournament format gains popularity in the mainstream (if allowed to), the formats will evolve, too, and get better. Thanks for the discussion, guys. It’s always enjoyable talking to folks with an opinion on similar interests.

          • cool charlie

            They will continue just going to have to pay to use the product , anything wrong with that .

      • DeeJennerIt

        So true, KenH. It’s a shame.

    • JustJoe

      Agreed, they should all be shut down without enabling legislation.

    • Seattle Slew

      Stronach will not sleep until he fucks up every aspect of horse racing. He is a miserable bastard, and easily the worst thing that has ever happened to horse racing.

  • tony c

    can somebody please list the tracks owned by the stronach group? I would like to stop wagering on anything owned by that corporation. I know about GP, SA, PIM, GG,…I think they may also own Portland Meadows? Any others that I have missed? What about ADWs? Which should I avoid? What else do they own that I should avoid? Thanks.

    • cool charlie

      Go on a hunger strike it will be more affective

      • tony c

        btw, there is a difference between “effective” and “affective”…just figured you would like to know so you don’t come off as even more stupid than you probably are.

        • cool charlie

          They will miss your daily 2 dollar show ticket , everything spelled OK

          • Andy in the desert

            Alas, it certainly seems there is no more “Queens English”, both in Britain and here in America; and it looks like Tony C might be right.

            He’s not talking about spelling CC. Perhaps you should look up the definition of semantics.

            I also suggest you obtain a thesaurus. And with everything now a “stroke of the keyboard” you don’t even have to leave home and go to the library like everybody used to do!.

        • talkingman17

          Can’t we just all get along…lol

          • Lehane

            Doesn’t seem like it.

    • Frank S.

      Did anyone start betting on Portland Meadows?

  • snowchrome

    Does Derby Wars pay a takeout rate to the tracks? The reason I ask this is because I understand the Stronach Group’s argument. If the racetracks are losing customers to Derby Wars and other fantasy sports websites then these companies are making money off them while not giving anything back.

    • ToddR

      DerbyWars has track partners. Stronach just wants to control everything.

  • SaratogaJ

    Great decision by the court. Derby Wars appears to be a parasite that gives nothing back to the sport. When it starts contributing to the industry which puts on the events, then I’ll feel differently. The owners, trainers, jocks and racetracks shouldn’t have to feed the parasite. Unlike other sports being exploited by the fantasy games, it appears that horse racing has existing laws that protect it from this blood sucking.

    Regardless of how appealing it is to its players, it’s taking the racing product without compensation. Because it might be good entertainment and fun, doesn’t make it right. And the speculation that it creates fans for the real sport is just speculation.

    • ToddR

      DerbyWars has deals with tracks. Contribute to tracks? DRF, Breeders’ Cup, NTRA, Stronach all run contests without paying tracks. This is about Frank controlling everything as usual.
      They knocked out Oak Tree and Fairplex, how is CA racing doing? They knocked out Calder, and now they are after Pleasanton in N. Ca. Gulfstream’s handle keeps going up, but not their purses. Wonder why?

      • DeeJennerIt

        The truth is just the truth is just the truth. Well said, ToddR.

    • DeeJennerIt

      While I respect that you have an opinion, SaratogaJ, I have to tell you that I think it’s pretty narrow. I was down on racing for a long time because of year after year of losses while flat-betting through various ADWs and regular trips to the actual track. Then I discovered Derby Wars. My success and ENJOYMENT playing against other folks has reinvigorated my love for the sport, my family and I once again make regular trips to the track (and spend money on concessions and local hotels, etc.) and I can’t even tell you how much I spend on purchasing programs and other handicapping-related publications. So to call Derby Wars and similar ventures “parasites” and accuse them of “blood sucking” and that they don’t “contribute to the industry” is pretty close-minded, and it’s that kind of thinking that has racing in a lot of locales (see the story on this site about Dale Bennett and Arlington Park) going out of business.

  • powaymojo

    It is hard to imagine that Derby Wars does not siphon off money that might otherwise go thru mutuel machines. Remember, purses are, for the most part, derived from handle. The other losers to the Derby Wars model are the horsemen. Smaller on-track and ADW handle means smaller purses.

    Wonder what owners and trainers think.

    • DeeJennerIt

      I have reached out to a contact at Derby Wars to get the lowdown on whether or not they pay “juice” (commission/fee) to partner tracks or not. It is my belief that they do, but will confirm ASAP. Purses, for the most part, are derived from casino gambling at the track sites, which is why the tracks that don’t have them are going out of business. As far as horsemen are concerned, they have never and won’t ever do anything to help horse players, so why is it the responsibility of the horse player to worry about horsemen? Does McDonald’s worry about Subway? Anyway, I’ll post once I know for certain RE: fees or no fees to the tracks from Derby Wars and similar sites.

    • Matt Kamke

      I don’t really give a damn what owners and trainers think. They’re part of the problem in the industry. The industry won’t be relevant again until what horseplayers think becomes the priority.

  • vijay

    Legalize traditional bookmaking at race tracks. A bookmaker is the only one who gives extra price (odds) to horses risking his own money. This will definitely bring more customers to race tracks. Exchange wagering is good, but 12% take out from winnings is too high. Derby wars is a contest based game. Neither it brings any revenue to govt or to race tracks. on the other hand it will take customers away from betting the regular race tracks and make them more of a contest punters. Just give me a chance i can explain in detail on how to generate revenue and interest in racing from a punter point of view.

  • Matt Kamke

    Contests are the sole bright spot of this sport’s future (if it even has one). Contests attract new players to the sport which leads to new, regular bettors. This industry is so asinine, so short sighted, and so far behind the times, I’m not even sure it can be salvaged. Horse racing should be bigger than DFS right now, and instead, the powers that be have managed to make the sport irrelevant.

    • DeeJennerIt

      Truer words were never spoken, Matt Kamke, well said.

    • wmk3400

      “This industry is so asinine, so short sighted, and so far behind the times, I’m not even sure it can be salvaged. Horse racing should be bigger than DFS right now, and instead, the powers that be have managed to make the sport irrelevant.”

      You’re my kind of guy Matt. NYCOTB opened with just two parlors April 1971, just in time for the Derby (which Cannonero won). I was in High School at the time. Howard Samuels was the first chairman of the NYCOTB. Months before it opened I remember he went to the horsemen with a proposal to make them working partners in this new and at the time innovative venture. They flatly turned him down and did everything possible to interfere with the new operation. The horsemen refused a bookmaking monopoly in New York City at a time when there was no legal gambling in this country outside a racetrack or Nevada. To this day I have never forgotten that and consider the racing industry to be amongst the most backwards, inept and poorly run of any industry that I can think of. Nothing they do when it is negative surprises me. Nothing.

      • JustJoe

        Considering that all the big DFS companies are loosing money the major tracks are not doing that bad.

        • wmk3400

          I don’t know about how well the fantasy league websites are doing so I’ll take your word for it. Basically you seemingly need to lower the bar in order to defend the racing industry if I’m understanding your point. I’d like to see the bar raised for a change but that’s me being me. I also dispute how wonderfully the “major tracks” are doing. At any rate you are entitled to your opinion.

        • Matt Kamke

          The only reason they are losing money is because they are fighting legality issues. If DFS had the gambling monopoly racing does, this wouldn’t even be a debate. Despite this, Forbes is still projecting DFS revenue to exceed $5 billion by 2021. The racing industry, meanwhile, is headed in the opposite direction.

          • JustJoe

            Let me ask you something. How much money do DFS return to player salaries in any sport? How many barn areas do they own. Do they pay water bills, electric, grade training tracks and haul away manure?

          • Matt Kamke

            No…they don’t. But tracks are getting twice as much takeout vs DFS on average so it’s a break even. Oh, by the way, horsemen and tracks don’t pay for all that. Horseplayers do with their wagering. You might want to keep that in mind. Horseplayers are the fuel for the industry. The industry just likes to forget about that.

      • J. Nasium

        You are 100% correct. In fact I bet Cannonaro at the OTB shop at Grand Central Station. He paid $13.20 I think as part of the field. But you are correct. But it wasn’t the horsemen that said no it was NYRA. In fact Samuels and OTB asked NYRA to help run the operation and they were turned away. Big money, big purses, big prices but those that run the sport have small minds.

        • wmk3400

          If the horsemen aren’t to blame I apologize to them since I often hold them responsible for many other transgressions.

          The NYRA sucks and I’ll take you at your word since that was long ago and nothing they have done over the years impresses me. In fact they are busily trying to ruin Saratoga and eventually they’ll succeed at something.

          I remember friends going to Forest Hills and waiting for hours on long lines to bet there. I remember Canonero shooting through on the rail to win with Gustavo Avila aboard. I also think you’re right about the payoff since he was part of the field. He wired the field to win the Preakness but was sick on Belmont Day. He should’ve been scratched but hey, a Triple Crown is a Triple Crown. Thanks for the input.

  • ToddR

    Go to DRF, Horse Tourneys or the NHC or BCBC qualifiers online. Do they pay Stronach or horsemen? Don’t think so. Stronach could make these sites pay but don’t. They only complain when the don’t have control.

  • PTP

    I have this theory that in each racing executive’s office there’s a stick. It’s been handed down from other racing executives as a rite of passage for generations.

    Every few months or so, a racing executive grabs this stick off the mantle and pokes it in a customer’s eye.

    I don’t think they’re doing this to increase business, or make the industry better. I just think the racing stick has been used in this manner for so long, it becomes a way of life.


  • gus stewart

    Im not someone who plays online tournaments only a few live cash one or tour in vegas. The money percentage going here or there or who is greedy or not greedy. Irrelevant in my view. As long as owners including frank stronach, do not want to get a commisionar to oversee all tracks in us, revamping and hiring new people who are eithier younger or understamd how sports marketing last 20 years, has left this sport behind,, all of these tournament nonsense online is meaningless. Without more horses and more owners, its over. Take a look at drf tournament stories and see how many responses are in commemt area,, its a waste of time and money.

  • afleet

    Derbywars just needs to incorporate in the caribbean and tell frank to F off

  • Gordon calhoun

    So those of you defending “derby wars,” none of you actually are horsemen are you ? If you are, then you are shooting yourself in the foot. Its not just Stronach who has a stake. Mr. Stronach does not own my horse. I do. Its my product and daily fantasy games like this are effectively using my product without paying me.

    • DeeJennerIt

      I was a horseman for 20 years, among the many other hats I wore in the racing industry, and I have to tell you, frankly, that you are incorrect. Daily fantasy horse racing sites like Derby Wars pay juice to their partner tracks, and — if you could find enough time to stop feeling so entitled and read Travis Pearson’s (among others’) post — you’ll learn how handicapping for tournaments induces increased betting as well. Furthermore, what would you do with “your product” if there wasn’t an audience? It isn’t your product. Horse racing as we know it is about gambling. Otherwise, you and your product would be racing for a bag of oats against other horse owners like they did in the old days. Don’t kid yourself: this game belongs to the horse player and gamblers alike that pump money into the casinos that pad the purse accounts at the tracks that you races at. Unfortunately, and particularly since the slots era, most horsemen think they are entitled to something (big purses, etc.) while doing very for the growth and betterment of the sport while showing an uncanny ability for having the narrow mindset that you have so clearly laid out for us here.

      • gus stewart

        Im not kidding myself, i agree the biz minds who are doing nothing to market and sdvertise sport to a new generation of potential gamblers owners. I mean its 20 years behind other sports and still sinking. But i must correct u, if there are no owner’s who buy and breed racehorses, you can have a 100,000 horseplayers or gamblers going online, or at a track, but wait a minute, i cant bet on anything because there are no horses at the track. I did see your words, was a horseman,, lots and lots of those stumbling around still.

        • DeeJennerIt

          I might be inclined to soften my original reply to be more agreeable with you that it may be more of a partnership, but at the end of the day, the first horse owner that, as you said, bought and bred racehorses, did so because there was a business there and the business formed because of people wanting to bet! Still, okay, partnership of two entities working together. I think we agree, however, that it is far from as one-sided as the poster whom I was responding to made it out to be, which was the point of my reply. Thanks for your insight.

          • gus stewart

            Agree, its just sad that all in this racing biz cannot work together where everybody could win in the future. Why horse racing didnt promote yesrs ago you can wager at 18, is a question i never could understand.

        • Kevin Callinan

          Delusional . The sport is shrinking in the US at a rapid rate…… nothing to bet on, are you kidding

          • gus stewart

            Say what, what planet do u reside on. Gambling is all around us lotto, vegas,sports, where in your calculations did we miss the boat,,, ahhh your boat. Where does horseracing fit in with wagering on poker and all other sports,,, im sitting down and getting ready to hit the jug anticipating the logic and numbers. I appreciate your reply but again, i dont get it so enlighten us.

          • Kevin Callinan

            I’m frustrated and maybe you are too. The NFL has grown their game to unprecedented heights- they embraced the fantasy audience. Daruty and other racing officials have overseen horrific declines yet they sue the leagues for a few pennies. I wonder if racing officials worked for Kodak or Blockbuster before they are hired- they exercise the same ingenuity.

          • gus stewart

            Beyond frustrated, i wish they would just find another biz to bury. Time warped and need a permanent vacation.

  • Travis Pearson

    The Stronach group couldn’t be any more clueless. The old guard that obviously has all the power in horse racing is on a path to ruin horse racing and there so clueless they don’t even see it. Contests/tournaments filled with thirty and forty somethings. Tracks/otb’s filled with 60yr and up. I put 200k through the pools last year(at least half at SA/GP) and a stronach group track won’t get another dollar of mine. For the previous 5 years before I discovered fantasy horse racing (around 2 years ago) I bet only on big days and days I would go out to the track. My total handle back then was around 30-40k but when you handicap for contest you end up betting as well and my handle has went way up as a result.

    • Matt Kamke

      Great points, Travis. I think your example and story is pretty common among contest players. Contests make you handicap and because you handicapped, you bet. It’s such an easy and simple premise and it’s so frustrating the industry powers that be are too dumb to understand it.

  • J. Nasium

    You are right. The field paid 13.20 but at OTB each was a separate betting interest. I had him also and for the same reason, that he had run the distance in Venezuela. I had been there the year before and went to La Rinconada and the track was so deep it was like running on the beach so I figured he would love Churchill. I also went to his Belmont, I bet him just to have the ticket but did have Pass Catcher who paid better than 45-1 if I remember correctly, I could be wrong about that. But Canonaro, not bad for a $1,200 Keeneland Sale purchase.

  • Audrey Harvey

    This is a Horseracing Platform. Everyone makes comments about anything to do with horseracing. NOT ABOUT SPELLING OR GRAMMAR. Sounding like a ‘b’, nitpickin.

  • SEG 1

    Stronach group makes their money on racing. They would rather run racing than run a casino. They don’t care about casino games. The Derby War company was making money off of the Stronach group. Stronach didn’t get money from the bets Derby Wars took in. That is why they are suing. They are going to take all of the money owed to them. Just because California law is the Derby Wars argument doesn’t mean it is ok to take money from Stronach group here in Florida.

    • Kevin Callinan

      I think it will prove to be the opposite- DW drew additional eyeballs, I never bet Prairie Meadows until DW included them. This is the shortsighted approach racing has been famous for.

  • Kevin Callinan

    Scott Daruty is the culprit not Stronach. He has always been all about day to day profit- to hell w/ growing the sport. The NFL has partnered w/ the fantasy leagues and millennials have embraced them. Daruty has often been responsible for the suspending the signal before key events- he has no trouble using the fan as leverage. It is time to put a light on the real person responsible.

  • Piper Spitz

    There’s comments on this story that all owners are against contest sites. Well, as an owner, I can say that’s false.

    I would like this sport to be around for the next 50 years (or more!). Innovation is needed for that to happen.

    Are these sites perfect? Of course not. Neither is the current pari-mutuel format. But simply banishing something that is growing fans (and gamblers) just means that the decline stays steady. You 60 and 70 year olds might not care, but us in our 20s and 30s know change is needed.

  • Kev Roc


    I have been playing through the window for 23 years and been playing contests for about 5 years. I can say with 100% certainty that my action through the window has INCREASED since contest play has been put of my game. Now, on a big day basis, my personal parimutual handle may be down, but on a day to day basis it goes up.

    I submit that for the player who is maximizing their contest equity, their NOT wagering through the window is costing them money. It can be utilized as a hedge or to maximize.

    It’s also widely held that parimutual bettors typical win money YoY at a 1-2% clip. With all of the competition for the wagering dollar (sports, poker, DFS..) it would seem that racing would only be attractive to that slim pool of winners or others who may have fallen in love with the game and don’t mind taking the worst of it.

    Enter the advent of contests. A tour of live on-site events to attend. An endless menu of online games where the player can get involved with a measured investment. They “use” the product on the oval to play their games, but they watch the feed, they GO to the track. They get immersed in the game. They ultimately start to bet through the window.

    Take a contest player going to battle in a hotly contested tournament. Maybe they’ve pared a contentious field of 12 down to 3-4 contenders. They are forced to choose one runner for the contest and what… sit on the others? What if they are all decent prices? What if odds on favorite is vulnerable? Again.. they bet through the window… and here’s the kicker.. they may not have even handicapped that particular track to begin with it wasn’t part of the contest!

    The future of racing goes hand in hand with contests. It draws players young and old.. Deep-pockets and punters. The poker boom brought us the gambler with the tournament mindset. That ground is fertile. Racing is difficult to beat and the gambling dollar will go elsewhere if it finds a greener pasture.

    The tracks need to partner with these contest sites and come up with an amicable revenue share and not be an obstacle to the game and the sport’s growth.

  • Jon Weill

    What a joke of a ruling. Guess you have to shut down Yahoo fantasy sports, CBS Sports’ fantasy games, ESPN’s fantasy games, FanDuel and any other number of sports contests we get to enjoy from the comforts of our own home.

  • John Halvorsen

    I have two comments that I would like to share with you.

    1. I love playing handicapping contests and have been playing the horses since 1970. The Santa Anita contests fit best into my time schedule. When I play a DW contest I also wager, mostly P3, P4 & P5 via TVG. If I was not playing the DW contest I would not have handicapped the card and placed any wagers at all. So, in my case, DW is bringing revenue to SA. I don’t believe this is unique.

    2. SA is a dying racetrack and I hope they can change this. They have way too many short fields and the TVG coverage at this track has declined badly. I use to love listening to Jon White, Brad Free, Jeff Siegel, etc. Now the track is covered by a group of very nice young ladies but their knowledge of horses pale in comparison to those I mentioned. I actually watch TVG muted and only turn the sound on to hear the race call.

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  • Mr. Chalk

    Travis Pearson should be charged tax for all the chalk he picks in contests and winds up leading every month.

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