McIngvale: ‘Timing Was Terrible, But We Did What We Did’

by | 11.04.2015 | 12:37am
Jim McIngvale and Laura Wohlers in the winner's circle after the Breeders' Cup Sprint

Anyone in the horse business who has followed Jim “Mattress Mack” McIngvale over the last 20 years knows he doesn't do things conventionally. So it should not have come as a surprise earlier this year when McIngvale hired an unknown quantity, Maria Borell, to train a few horses for him at the Thoroughbred Training Center in Lexington, Ky. Among the horses turned over to Borell was Runhappy, the Super Saver colt who won Saturday's Grade 1 Breeders' Cup Sprint at Keeneland.

It really should be no surprise, either, that McIngvale fired Borell 24 hours after the biggest triumph of the Texas furniture store owner's racing career; he has, after all, had over 30 trainers since becoming a Thoroughbred owner in the mid-1990s, including several members of the Racing Hall of Fame.

The Sprint was the biggest career win, too, for Borell, who when hired by McIngvale was winless in 23 starts since taking out her trainer's license in 2013. From late June to Oct. 31, she saddled Runhappy to win all five of his starts and won a sixth race with a McIngvale filly named Triplehott.

McIngvale and his wife, Linda, spoke with the Paulick Report on Tuesday about the decision to fire Borell and give Runhappy back to Laura Wohlers, Linda McIngvale's twin sister and the longtime racing manager and sometime trainer for their Gallery Racing. After another trainer, Chuck Simon, was replaced last year, Wohlers was the trainer of record for Runhappy's first two starts, a winning maiden race at Turfway Park in December and a ninth-place finish in the G3 LeComte Stakes at Fair Grounds in January.

Also Read – Maria Borell: Runhappy's Owners ‘Only Care About The Money'

Runhappy came out of the race with a hairline fracture, and Wohlers returned to her other job at McIngvale's Gallery Furniture store in Houston. A short time later, Borell was hired to train the horses in Kentucky.

Wohlers and the McIngvales have come under harsh criticism since Maria Borell put several statements on her Twitter account Sunday stating that Wohlers was replacing her.

“She's opened a can of worms,” Linda McIngvale said of Borell, “so we would like to let you know the other side of the story. We've been trying hard not to voice bad things about Maria. At this point, she's going a little too far in some areas, primarily with accusations that Laura would ever, in her wildest dreams, do anything that is not in the best interest of the horse.”

Jim McIngvale interjected that Linda McIngvale “is concerned about the welfare of all animals. My wife has had monkeys and parrots in the furniture store,” he said.

The blow-up between Borell and Wohlers came Sunday morning when Wohlers wanted Runhappy to do some light exercise, and Borell objected, saying the colt had some heat and filling in an ankle after winning the Sprint the previous day.

“Our horses have always gone to the track (after a race). We want to get the lactic acid out,” said Linda McIngvale. “He wasn't injured. He was a little sore from the race, that's all.”

According to McIngvale, Borell wanted to give Runhappy the non-steroidal anti-inflammatory phenylbutazone – something the McIngvales oppose. “We don't believe in some things that are prevalent in the racing industry, including drugs,” said Linda McIngvale. Wohlers said “no” and according to Jim McIngvale Borell reacted with some choice words.

“When she cursed my sister-in-law excessively on Sunday in the shedrow after my sister-in-law said you're not giving my horse Bute, that ain't cool,” he said. “There's a right and wrong way to handle it.”

McIngvale said it was him, not Wohlers who made the decision to fire Borell on Sunday.

“I'm like Donald Trump,” Jim McIngvale said. “You've got to make the hard decisions. “If people disagree with me, they can wire me $50 million and lead him out. It ain't Laura's fault. It's me. She loves that animal, lives for that animal.”

“If people want to badmouth somebody, badmouth us,” said Linda McIngvale. “I'm not going to let someone badmouth my sister. She's done everything for this horse. She picked him out at the sale. She was in charge of his training. When she was in Kentucky, she was lifting his feet, cleaning his stall. Maria does all these photos with him,” a reference to Borell's Facebook and Twitter account that often showed pictures of her with Runhappy.

“Whether it was right or wrong, this was our decision, not Laura Wohlers,” Linda McIngvale continued. “We pushed her to make this decision on Sunday.”

“I'm a marketing guy,” said McIngvale, who is legendary in the Houston market for doing his own television commercials. “The timing was terrible, but we did what we did.”

One area of agreement between the McIngvales and Borell was that tensions had been mounting ever since Laura Wohlers came to Kentucky and Runhappy won the G1 King's Bishop at Saratoga.

“The Saturday before the King's Bishop, Maria called and said Runhappy was lame,” Linda McIngvale said. “Mack sent Laura to Kentucky to find out what's going on with the horse. When she got there, Laura insisted the horse be sent to Dr. (Larry) Bramlage (at Rood and Riddle Equine Hospital), and he found something wrong in his feet – an abscess or something. He suggested the shoes be pulled and that a blacksmith named Ian (McKinlay) come from New Jersey. He works on his feet and he wins the King's Bishop. If we had left it to Maria, we would not have gone to the King's Bishop, or won it.”

Wohlers told the McIngvales she thought she should stay in Kentucky. “She was very appalled at how the other two horses were being handled,” Linda McIngvale said. “She said they had sores and the stalls were not properly kept.”

“Under Maria's instructions,” Jim McIngvale said, “she wouldn't let Cordell pay any attention to them. Cordell Anderson is a longtime employee who grooms the Gallery Racing horses and is, according to Jim McIngvale, “more important to Runhappy's success than Maria ever was.”

“I told my sister then, ‘You need to get rid of Maria.' Laura's answer was, ‘I can't move to Kentucky full time. This girl is our trainer. She probably wants to go out as a public trainer, and a Grade 1 win will be good for her.' Laura was the one sticking up for Maria.”

Linda McIngvale said Borell, who agreed to train privately for Gallery Racing, was already trying to pick up new clients. “She was, behind our back, having T shirts, hats and jackets made for her new racing stable. The reality is she should have made that public after the (King's Bishop). She knew we were planning to take the horse to California and she had said she didn't want to go. She said, ‘I have family here, I have horses here.'”

When Borell was hired, the McIngvales said, it was with the understanding that she was salaried and would get bonuses for winning races, up to $10,000 for graded stakes, and that she would not take on outside clients. “We paid for the barn, the stalls, the hay, insurance, the riders, grooms and night watchmen,” Linda McIngvale said. “We gave her three free stalls for her own horses that she could train and try to make money with.”

Borell was recommended to Wohlers earlier this year by James Moore, a friend of the McIngvales. “We asked around Kentucky for recommendations of someone who would follow our rules,” said Linda McIngvale. “We had to have somebody who followed the instructions of Laura to a T. She is the trainer, but she's only done what we told her to do. We like to manage what is going to happen with our horses, we are very hands on micromanaging the training.”

“Everyone has to buy into the team,” Jim McIngvale said, “and they have to buy into the work culture and the data. We manage by data.”

McIngvale referred to data from heart-rate monitors the horses wear during exercise that are part of Bill Pressey's ThoroEdge Equine Performance Program. When Runhappy was purchased, Kerry Thomas' Thomas Herding Technique advisory service was on the stable's advisory team. McIngvale is also advised by Texas A&M University equine professor emeritus Dr. Gary Potter, Baylor track and field director Clyde Hart (who coached several Olympic gold medal-winning sprinters, including Michael Johnson). “We know what it takes to train athletes,” said Jim McIngvale.

“The reality is we do things differently,” said Linda McIngvale.

“We have always been flakes in the horse business,” said her husband. “But as Nick Zito (McIngvale's first trainer) said, ‘It's your animal, do what you want to do.'”

Jim McIngvale said he's spent well over $40 million on horses in the last 20 years, but Runhappy's King's Bishop win was their first in a Grade 1.

Might they have more success if they did things more conventionally?

“My whole life I've been successful by being innovative,” said Jim McIngvale. “Same day delivery (in the furniture business)? People said I was crazy. I innovate. If I can't innovate I can't live. If it fails, it fails. My wife and I have been around top-level athletes all our lives (the McIngvales own Houston's Westside Tennis Club, which has hosted tournaments that attracted Roger Federer, Andre Agassi and other top professionals). At the end of the day, great quarterbacks make great coaches. And great racehorses make great trainers.

Why have they run through so many trainers? “All of them were public trainers, except for one,” said Linda McIngvale. They don't want an owner telling them what to do. So instead of fighting public trainers, we decided to go private.”

“I'm not in the this for the money,” Jim McIngvale added. “If I was in it for money, I'd put my money in stocks.”

So what's next for Runhappy?

“We need to sit down with everyone to figure out where he is going to go,” said Jim McIngvale. “The goal is the (G1) Malibu in California (Dec. 26) and we'd like to win the Met Mile and the Whitney. We've got to take him somewhere this winter because of Kentucky weather. We might take him to Sam Houston and let him train at the track that's four miles from Gallery Furniture.”

  • jacob.bratcher

    ” ‘I’m like Donald Trump’, Jim McIngvale said.”
    If that doesn’t tell you all you need to know…

    • Kathy Agel

      Unfortunately, yes. It also tells you a lot about the huge ego that is McIngvale.

    • tony a

      Could be worse, could’ve said he was like Hillary Clinton, but then you wouldn’t have seen anything wrong with that.

      • Michael Castellano

        There’s a difference between being a typical lying and corrupt politician becoming president and and one who is all that the former is plus being an insane madman.

      • jacob.bratcher

        Hi, Tony. Not that this aside is in any way relevant to the conversation, but I voted for a Republican in the last election (gasp!). See, when you’re an independent voter, you can actually poke fun at both sides of the aisle because you don’t feel beholden to either one. It’s great fun–you should try it sometime!

    • trooper seven

      It tells me that Jay J on the other boards is also a great Trump admirer.

      • Chancey Gardner

        Oh, he is getting paid, for sure. I have suspected for a LONG time that certain high profile race people who hire PR firms have their little minions posting on these boards.

    • David Worley

      I thought the exact same thing.

    • Nona Kaenel

      LMAO!

  • beatdown

    Could someone please beat some sense into this moron.
    Or come up with $50 million and buy the horse. Either one would be fine.

  • caroline

    Hope that groom is getting some good bonuses. Should definitely ask for some. Apparently Maria’s were just for the stall cleaning she didn’t do.

  • just an observer

    Well, it is important to hear both sides. MacIngvale marches to his own drum and if you don’t agree with it, you’re gone. Borrell apparently objected to something they wanted to do and she’s gone, Breeders’ Cup win or not. The bottom line for me is that he’s been doing this for 20+ years, has spent tens of millions of dollars and has had very little success. He says he isn’t in it for the money, but I can’t believe that anybody who is competitive doesn’t want to have more success than he has had. His unconventional ways don’t seem to be working very well. Now he wants to take the horse to Sam Houston??? Runhappy will have to be a super horse to overcome MacIngvale’s management

    • SaratogaJ

      Agree.

      I’m glad they came forward and spoke up. Because of his history of erratic behavior in the sport, the stable’s history of dysfunction and failure, and the awful timing of this event, they have had little public support. Their explanations here are self
      justifying but the forum of an interview gives them that opportunity. I don’t accept their story as fact by any means. JM’s admission that the timing was terrible is the one indisputable part of their story. In the end of this all, they further lose cred and reputation, the horse loses popularity and the industry takes a hit.

      • Marilyn Shively

        and then there’s the poor horse, caught up in a nightmare–

        • Greg J.

          The horse is fine, if not better now.

          • Laura Woodside

            Better? How so?

          • Thoroughbred Watch Dog

            Greg thinks he knows everything about horse racing ever since he sat with the Zayat’s for AP’s Triple Crown win. Notice how he didn’t back up his statement.

          • Nona Kaenel

            OMG My husband won the Preakness, I guess I can be a jockey now. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

          • Kathy Agel

            In what alternate universe is this true?

      • Neal Baker

        Well said.

    • snazzygirl

      He’s in it for the money – he wants the income tax write-offs.

      • meme

        I want your tax accountant!!! Sorry but if you spend 20million on horses you’ll only save a small % on taxes, unless you something the rest of us don’t know

    • Cyndi Robertson

      AND the Whitney???

  • David

    Well at least we heard both side now.. As for Maria not looking so good.. I log in to Facebook theres a account under Maria borell not racing’s sweetheart or u can see it under Kara Harrison. All I can say is wow

    • Nope

      Kara Harrison sure would know about animal neglect considering she was the one who was brought to court over it. Google Nappy vs Colby Field LLC.

      • David

        2008/2009 to 2015 big difference we are in 2015 the videos show the year and date I’m not looking at the past. Like I said not looking good for Maria. Everyone included in this whole mess has there dirty side. I’m sure everyone has done some shady things here and there. Get over it. Some one please find her new horses to train and who ever picks her up make sure to have her sign paper first not to blast you on social media for fame. I mean we are in 2015 where social media is the #1 way to get people attention.

  • MLS

    They didn’t want to give the horse Bute??? Do they take Advil or Aleve when they’ve got an ache or pain? This article proves that these people have more money than sense.

    • Have to decide which side of the medication debate you are on?

      • Turning Leaves

        Better not vaccinate your horses then.

        • Well, it’s a point of view. We have to but absent that likely many [of the older trainers] wouldn’t. I don’t think that the vaccination argument has any bearing on the subject under discussion.

      • MLS

        Please explain, I thought my statement made sense?

        • If I had a horse with filling I wanted to see what was going on. Perhaps I was wrong, but it seemed to work fairly well.

      • Barbara Bowen

        No you don’t. If you have a first clue about horses (and I know you do) and I mean any horse, of course you would give him 1 or 2 grams of bute the day after that race if he had heat and inflammation or soreness. I’d give it to my endurance horse, a barrel horse, any pleasure horse. And I am not a med proponent and never liked using bute unless needed. These people are flat out bath!t and the horse is even better than I thought (and that is pretty damn good) to outrun these fools surrounding him. Name Cordell Anderson the trainer and shut up Mac.

        • Barbara, if there was something wrong I wanted to know – see reply to Kristine.

        • Done deal

          Was the horse muscle sore or bone sore. You don’t just give bute because it’s what everyone else does. The problem is that everyone uses these drugs as a replacement for horsemanship. All synthetic drugs have detrimental effects on humans and animals including bute. It’s funny how ms borelli wants lasix banned but every horse she ran before macs had lasix. Also if you think for a second that she was he force behind the horse that would mean it’s easier to win grade 1s than 5k claimers

        • Garrigan

          Yes, it IS a bit of a guessing game, trying to figure out how lame your horse is. After all, they can’t talk.
          By the way, seeing as how bute is so mild, there are other things you can do to help your horse feel better, starting with water therapy, ice and other PT.
          I understand word is out they are looking for an assistant.
          My question exactly: why not Cordell?

      • Kristine

        Bute is just aspirin for horses & is exactly what he should’ve been given in addition to rest & rub downs and/or ice wraps, they act like it’s some dangerous drug!! Yes with overuse & abuse it can be harmful just like a person who overdid it with aspirin, but in moderation the benefits outweigh the harm!! They admit themselves above that he was sore the day after, yet they wanted to jog him on track!?! They claim to know SO much about training athletes, yet want to exercise one whose sore rather than just treat & allow SOME rest?!? He wasn’t injured, just sore she says, well how do these morons think serious injuries happen, by pushing one who is sore when ANYONE with an OUNCE of common sense would say take it easy for a bit, my God these people REALLY have NO CLUE!!!! Ya, ya, we know SO much, yet have just ONE G1 stakes winner in 20yrs, and we’re not even the reason why!!! The stupidity is unbearable!!! Good luck Runhappy, you are a beautiful, sweet & talented horse who deserves WAY better than these idiots!!! Wish I could afford to buy you just to get you away from them, God bless you handsome!!! <3

        • Roland B.

          Just spoke to Runhappy. He wants to clarify that his name remains Runhappy, and he doesn’t want you to buy him for fear that you might change his name to runHAPpy.

          • Kristine

            What are you a friend of the owners?? If you can read the level of caring in my post & reply in this manner with a personal attack on me, then you clearly don’t care about the horse.

        • Bute is more like taking the bulb out of a warning light on a car than “aspirin for horses”. My point is that we have been hearing that this is a medication free operation: is it or ain’t it? And why are you shouting at ME?

          • juststacey

            No, bute is NOT like taking the bulb out of a warning light! It IS aspirin for horses. Bute is an NSAID, nothing more, nothing less.

          • Ok, would you settle for substituting a weaker bulb?!

          • Garrigan

            What, exactly, is an NSAID? Does it have any side effects? Does it act exactly the same on every animal?
            It is not aspirin, as far as I know. And, if your horse has a headache, how do you know, and do you give it aspirin?

          • 7Cents

            NSAID stands for NonSteroidal Anti-inflamatory Drug. Bute, banamine, Ketoprophen, and ficoxirib are the commonly used NSAIDs in horses. Acetominiphen and ibuprofen, naproxen, and aspirin are commonly used NSAIDs in people.

            Funniest part to me is that, I’ll bet, 75% of the ones here right now screaming to give the horse a Bute are the same bunch who, on a different thread, would be screaming about over use of medications on racehorses.

            Truth is, the barn is a medication free barn. It is their stance, their program. There is ZERO doubt Ms. Borell knew that going in. All eyewitness accounts point to Ms. Borell following the barn’s regime and training chart until she won the King’s Bishop and started bucking the bosses. Sounds like she got more bullet proof, in her mind, after the Breeder’s Cup win. It was their program from the start, their horse, their money, etc. she didn’t like it any more, mouthed off, PUBLICLY mouthed off, and was terminated. Get over it, folks. The McIngvale bunch has long had a reputation for being unconventional, occasionally obnoxious, and almost always difficult. They obviously don’t care what all the Friends Of Barbaro think.

            BIG RULE of anyone with ANY class in racing is “Don’t try to train horses that are not in your own barn.” Every one spouting off on these people being classless ought to consider this rule. Just saying.

          • Kristine

            Sorry Bill I should’ve clarified that my entire response wasn’t directed at you, I was just initially responding to medication debate & got on a roll, many of the other comments just had me fired up, that’s all. They want to remain med free, my point was Bute is similar to taking an aspirin & one small dose that 1st morning would’ve brought comfort to a horse whose now again trainer acknowledged was sore.

          • Kristine, I don’t think anyone disagrees with that. My point was that as the stable had been making such a song and dance over its med. free approach, there was perhaps some justification for not giving bute. How sensible it would have been to exhibit the horse – if he was actually lame – is a different matter; quite possibly the trainer realised that, even if the manager did not. The general acceptance that NSAIDs be routinely administered post race will always be a major obstacle to sorting out the wider medication issue.

          • Kristine

            I’m certainly not someone who thinks it should be routinely administered, just like you shouldn’t take cold meds when you exhibit no symptoms.

        • Stop it please

          How can you say this horse should have bute when you aren’t around him on a daily basis. That’s the problem with people talking about things they don’t know. If he was sore because of lactic acid build up then he should have jogged the next day to get his blood flowing. Blood is what heals. Stop talking about things you haven’t a clue about. What if the horse had ulcers or other problems that the bute would make worse. Would you still give him bute regardless. You probably would. I’m sure this horse is in the best hands possible.

          • Kathy Agel

            Yet another poster with a private history jumping in to defend the owners. It’s an epidemic.

            He -was- in good hands — when he was with Maria.

          • Bonified

            I’m defending the horse. Tell me if you have ever met Maria. Have you ever been to her farm. I’m sure you haven’t and if you have and can still sit here and defend her then you have a problem. She is not a nice person. I don’t care what you think of the owners. I won’t talk about them cause I have never met them but I do know Maria personally and have had dealings with her personally. So don’t accuse me of defending anyone. I’m talking about what I know unlike yourself.

          • Kathy Agel

            I may not be a close personal friend of Maria — but I certainly know a sock puppet when I see one.

            And Bonified? I wasn’t addressing you — unless you were posting under the screenname of “Stop it please”. Did you forget which name you were using to post?

          • Psycho chic

            You keep making specific statements but give general answers to questions that’s asked of your specific statement. Like I said. You have no clue what you’re talking about. Call me what you wanna call me but you look psycho defending this person and talking badly about others who you’ve never met. Check your emotion at the keyboard please

          • Kathy Agel

            Accusing me of being emotional is a typical ad hominem attack used by sock puppets to divert attention away from them. Nice try, though.

          • Ex Trainer

            When you know what your talking about maybe I said maybe we might listen. More likely he was leg sore if he had filling and soreness. Are you one of Mac’s lackies, gee I would think so. You don’t send a sore horse to the track the next day. Yes I do know what I am talking about because I trained for over 25 years. Stupid is as stupid does. Tell Mac he’s a dud.

      • Giving a horse bute after a race to make them more comfortable is much different then running on medication. Anyone that would deny this of an animal is inhumane and has no understanding or compassion. If I were a racing commissioner I would not allow this owner’s license as he is bad for racing.

  • HorseCounty1

    We need the truth. Does Mac know? Is Borrell a liar? This is ridiculous.

    • I tried to warn you

      The funniest thing about this entire situation is that Maria claimed she didn’t use drugs and that she likes to train hard. All of which I personally know is false. Everyone who has dealt with Maria saw this coming a mile away. She is the worst person you will ever meet. Can’t tell the truth to save her life and I will bet that this won’t go past deposition cause she will commit perjury. Maria is not mature enough to be a trainer of horses. She doesn’t have the dedication. She doesn’t want to put in the hard work. I’m sure all of this will come out in the wash. Imagine Helen Pitts or Linda Rice acting in this manner. I use them as examples to compare apples to apples only even though they are in a class way above Ms. Borelli.

      • trooper seven

        Another one of the sealed pseudonyms appears.

      • Greg J.

        Best comment to date, thank you.

    • Connie Matia

      You can’t handle the truth! Ok, I digress… Back to our regularly scheduled program.

  • Kathy Agel

    The wife has had monkeys and parrots in the furniture store? That shows good judgment — not. Parrots love to chew on wood, and monkeys love to fling their excrement around when they’re annoyed. And the environment of a busy store can be extremely stressful for parrots, who are extremely sensitive.

    • Sal Carcia

      Hi Kathy. Flinging excrement does appear to be the theme in this story. :)

      • Kathy Agel

        Sal! Long time no e!

        Yeah, it does, doesn’t it? McInvale is a past master at it.

  • Jenhoven

    Linda is sticking up for her sister, Laura? Linda is still going by hearsay as to what her sister is telling her is going on. Linda wasnt there to witness everything firsthand so how does she know all this is “true”? She said it herself that she will stick up for her sister.
    All this “airing of dirty laundry” is in such bad taste! Ugh. These people have no class or shame.

  • ziggypop

    It is obvious these people do not care a lick about Run Happy.

  • Tinky

    A couple of thoughts:

    “The reality is we do things differently” + “We manage by data.” + “We know what it takes to train athletes” = $40m and one Grade I winner

    Kerry Thomas? I thought that I had detected a “beast-like presence” in Runhappy!

    • Managing by data involves analysing the results, and ignoring one rat research: everyone that has ever been involved must have contributed something to theses woeful stats.

  • gls

    This must be some horse, to be that good when surrounded by these people. Just reading the article tells you the owners have no clue. I should have stopped at monkeys and parrots.

    • Chancey Gardner

      hillbillies

      • Wendy Sims

        Hillbillies would have more sense.

      • Matthew Hood

        Don’t know what hillbillies you have met, but none I have are worth millions of dollars, have mansions, speed boats, fancy cars…

        • mike

          Jed Clampett ???

        • Rosemary Homeister

          The Beverly hillbillies did

    • holly

      That’s funny “I should of stopped at monkeys and parrots”!!!! I’m still laughing!!

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    • Roark

      If ‘having no clue’ means you just won a BC race and an Eclipse award in roughly your 1,000th lifetime start, I think we all should be so lucky. Trainer Mark Casse took 12,000 starts to get his first win. Do your homework.

  • Happy Happy

    I’m so glad Bill Pressey is getting his due. He’s been behind this horse the entire time. He’s the guy owners and trainers need to be looking to employ. It’s a safe bet that now Mac is with him he will have way more success in the future. Great job bill and to all of the folks that have really made the horse what he is.

  • Machine Gun

    Maria owes more than she’s saying that Mac owes her. Why put everyone through this saga. That’s just who she is. I’m sure she has creditors lining up to get that money in the slight and I do mean very slight chance she gets anything from him.

  • gingerkid

    Yawn…

  • Jackmw

    One fact is certain here, the welfare of the horse is a low priority despite what is claimed and this entire situation from both sides is ego driven and riddled with incompetence. Disgraceful!!!

  • TJ Flasco

    It’s obvious that the McIngvale’s want a trainer who will be a puppet-on-a-string. If I were to be a trainer or even the manager of a department in private industry, I would make it clear before hand that I will make the decisions. Why? Because I’m the manager. I’m responsible. And I would have a personal work contract.

    • really?

      And you would not be training that horse or any others for Mattress Boy

      • AngelaFromAbilene

        You say that like it’s a bad thing.

      • TJ Flasco

        No problem. There are other racing stables and other owners.

    • Chancey Gardner

      Can you imagine the rings that came out of Bobby Frankel’s mouth when dealing with THIS guy?

  • Jack Frazier

    My, my, my. Looks like a new reality show: Khardasian’s take horse racing. The whole thing should have been handled better but it is what it is. On a week after the BC, which highlighted the best in racing, this is wrong no matter how you slice it, from both sides. To speculate on either party would be erroneous so one must just sit back, shake their heads and marvel at the stupidity. This does happen a lot in racing albeit not on the front page of papers or magazines. HOF trainers have been fired, trainers go behind other trainers saying disparaging things to get other trainers horses, owners don’t pay what they owe and it is not the happy community the pontificaters on hose racing networks portray. Couple that with the rampant drug abuse problems inherent in racing today, it paints a pretty bleak scene. Now this is my opinion based on what I have seen and heard. Just an opinion.

    • jponyplayer

      I like your opinion Jack and think it`s right on the money

    • Fratman

      Perfect Jack as that is what the game is all about so here’s my answer…………………

      Mattress Mack ——- Pay Maria $50 K and end the relationship, sell this nice horse to John Sadler and Mr. Hronis for $500 K (or more) and go back to running your life the way you choose.

      Maria — Grow up because the horse game is a tough game, take the $50 K and pay off all your creditors — landlord, exercise riders — whoever — move forward, go work for an operation that has a lot of horses with a decent group of trainers and learn to do things in a professional way so that — If you are talented enough and lucky enough you will be able to train some of those horses and then move forward again. Think Mott, Motion or McLaughlin and restart your career around good stock and great trainers………………………..

      Running a business is not easy and being a horse trainer is difficult to say the least with all the pressures, scrutiny and health of these equine stars so doing both is a tough, tough gig so work hard and learn.

      PS — Social media can be a little too social so learn to keep some opinions and feelings to yourself because, as a trainer, you are beholden to the owners whether you like it or not.

      • Jack Frazier

        Trainers get 10% of the purse so she should get that plus whatever training fees she is owed. That is fair.
        It is not easy and is at best, a struggle and at worst, cut throat.
        Keep it out of the press.

        • Fratman

          She has a private trainers agreement (??) that is why I suggested $50 K. I would prefer she get the full amount but people like Mac do things for a reason so a settlement is much more likely but that’s my opinion from what I have read — maybe something is out there I’m not aware of.

          She needs to move forward and shake this off and I’m hoping she does………………………………….

          • Jack Frazier

            Probably right on that but the whole thing is not right. Another black eye.

    • Chancey Gardner

      Her firing could have waited a couple of weeks and this poop storm would have been nil, so obviously, he is not such a great “marketing man” for allowing his sister-in-law’s emotional ego rule the day.

      • Jack Frazier

        It could have. Badly handled but at the track, sometimes common sense is absent.

  • Greggory Kowalkowski

    The most obvious, glaring truth they stated in this article is that they searched for a “private trainer” so they could cap his or hers earnings per race at $10,000. What a slap in the face to the trainers they’ve tried hiring in the past and heart goes out to Maria for ever getting involved with these crooked, corrupted people.

    You won’t see a red cent, sweetheart. Just move on with your life, build off this momentum and watch the whole trio burn in hell.

    • Garlandtex

      Amen!

    • 7Cents

      Yes and no. Real trainers, public trainers, get their 10%, but that is often the only PROFIT they see, they generally don’t get a paycheck, unless they “pay” themselves $200-$300/week. Day money LOOKS huge to some, but grooms, exercise riders, feed and bedding, workmans comp ins, vehicles, trailers, shoers, chiropractors, any stall rent, equipment, supplements, etc ALL are paid by the trainer while he waits to get paid by the owners. On a second circuit track a few years ago my expenses per horse averaged out to $43.87/day (NOT counting truck and trailer expenses). Day rate was $50/day. 8 horse stable, you figure it out.
      In Ms. Borell’s case she had ZERO expense and drew her check every week. The owners paid all costs associated with the horses. So, it is perfectly understandable that they paid a “stake” to her, just like grooms and gallop boys get staked, rather than the full 10%. Oh yeah, real trainers get to stake the help out of their 10% (which they have to bill for themselves in any of the 12 states I’ve run horses in).

      • Rocky Ward

        This was the most accurate post on the comments section. Maria signed on as a private trainer. She didn’t have to worry about the every day expenses that add up, she had to do her job. I wanted to get into thoroughbred racing a few years back, bough a great little colt out of Yankee Gentleman. I learned back then what things were really about and the costs associated with training a race horse. The expenses are enormous even if the horse remains healthy, throw in a setback and all bets are off. My “little ” guy is now 6 and living a relaxed life …..This business is not for the weak of heart. I also was around enough to see the practices of successful trainers…whether I agreed or not successful trainers have methods of training that will hurt the animal lover in all of us..The price of success is not for all of us. I couldn’t do it and sleep at night. Maria got paid for the services she agreed to…Kind of like everyday life, you always want more. Maria will be fine, don’t feel sorry for her. She knew what she signed up for

        • Steve Gibson

          It’s not a matter of feeling sorry for her. She wanted to do the right thing for the horse by walking it the day after a race in which it had filling in its ankle and also wanted to give it some bute. These F’ing morons wanted to jog the horse with filling in its ankle the day after the race. The point isn’t about Maria being fired. It’s about these brainless twits somehow thinking they are trainers, and wanting to jog a horse the day after a race in which its ankle has swelling. Has nothing to do with Maria knowing or not knowing what she got herself into. She was thinking of the horse, not her job.

  • Wild Oats

    This public p*ssing match just really needs to stop. McIngvale’s history speaks for itself.

    • Tinky

      So you don’t believe in urine therapy?

  • Urhopeless

    If you spent $40 million and that was your first Grade 1 win it’s because you are clueless Mac about horses and because you insist on training your horses the day after they run.

    • Marilyn Shively

      amen to that

    • Chancey Gardner

      And not giving them Bute, no matter what.

    • hunterhillfarm

      Saddest thing is the horse…….He will probably be Runsad now

      • Kyle

        Aww Runsad… No, that’s a terrible thing to imagine. Like Eeyore from Winnie the Pooh

      • ausscyn

        I’ve been calling him “R”unhappy!

    • Nona Kaenel

      Maybe they should read up on trials that were done on bute and they would see that giving this horse some bute the day after was no big deal. I worked in biotech and this was a drug I researched when looking for drugs that might benefit from our drug delivery system. As far as lactic acid build up, that is why horses walk the day after. They can also benefit from a good massage. No need to send them out.

      • katwalk

        I’m sure Roger Federer never took ibuprophen after a big tennis match, LOL. Bute is one of the most innocuous drugs in the racing industry. It’s the equivalent of ibuprophen. Let that inflammation continue and become chronic and you’re looking at arthritis. THEN the joint injections start. . .. Inflammation is your enemy, but they don’t get that, way too simple minded. There’s nothing wrong with the concept, but it needs to be applied intelligently.

    • lastromantribune

      hit the nail on the head.

  • paul cassidy

    She’s owed $124.K, pay her!

  • Canarse

    The lesson here is not to do business with any of these people.

  • Melissa

    There are rules against being a trainer in name only.

    • Chancey Gardner

      good point – no one can “train” a horse from 800 miles away.

  • Just be real

    Maria says she didn’t use drugs and wishes they would ban lasix but every horse she ever ran befor macs horses she ran on lasix. That tells you all you need to know. Plus the fact her horses always ran terrible. Even when she to shed second in a three horse filed she was twenty lengths behind. Ran second once with a horse she had just claimed and after that the horse ran terrible.

  • Just be real

    Maria was originally hired to be an assistant. She begged and begged to have the horses put in her. And so as a favor they ran them in her. And so she could get a couple wins. Make no mistake about it they knew runhappy was a special horse way before they considered hiring Maria. Now she wants to stick a gun to their heads and demand money that she doesn’t deserve.

    • trooper seven

      Still another sealed pseudo.

    • Rod F

      Hi Laura, Good to see you are able to surf the comments section during your hours as a CSR at that god awful furniture store. Must be a slow day of picking up monkey poop & taking care of the parrots. LOL

    • JerseyGirl

      Boy do you need an edit

  • J

    In My Opinion – Matress Man Pay this Woman 10 per cent. Then put a For Sale sign on the horse.He has been running very wide. That usually means SORE.

    • minismom

      running sore or the hair line fracture is opening up – or maybe his feet weren’t done properly – maria should be paid her l0% that she legitimately earned. Experience showed me that trainers don’t muck stalls (that is what grooms are for), shipping in a farrier from another track (or state) not a good plan & public controversy in a post Breeder’s Cup week – just a bad thing to do. Whoever said that these folks were the brightest bulbs on the Christmas Tree – they are in the furniture business & an “Innovator” so maybe he should same delivery all of his relatives and himself out of the racing business – after RunHappy is a horse and not a chair – he won his race in the Breeder’s cup – no mention about how many other trainers that they asked to train for them – maybe she just did not know – she is new to the game – others would not touch him with a ten foot pole – To bad the horse has to suffer in the middle of this – and fyi – no horse goes to the track after a race (especially a race like that & at Keenland) – he could use some bute, a short walk around the shed & some grass & poultice & fronts & rest! New owners would be good also – and where does this Furniture owner think that his horse is worth l5 mil – let me see – his wife and her sister told him that is what Runhappy is worth!!!

  • Kathryn R Wilt

    Really nice horse. Getting him fit after an injury (at Turfway) is a tribute to a good barn team and some exercising of caution after a huge race at the Breeders Cup.
    This was a situation that was poorly handled by all parties, none more so than by the timing of the racing manager .Hope that RunHappy lands in a good barn,Maria gets some new horses and a check plus Jim Mac takes a course in change management.

  • John B.

    Like it or leave it here’s the other side of the story. I agree timing was probably not great but hey it’s this guys horses. Not ours. I mean when did firing someone become news. Whether it’s crazy or not it’s still this guys decision because he pays the bills and he seems to make no mistake that if you don’t like it leave. This horse is a freak. Point blank. Shouldn’t we be focusing on his future career. And I applaud the guy for no drugs. He sticks to his guns have to give him that. Good luck to Runhappy, I guess the Malibu will tell a lot. Wish I had the 50mil for him

    • Turning Leaves

      When did firing someone in sports become news? I don’t know, ask George Steinbrenner.

  • Sinking Ship

    The Thomas Herding Technique is among his advisors? Tells you all you need to know about this operation. McIngvale should thank his lucky stars he stumbled upon a horse like Runhappy.

  • Turning Leaves

    Write a decent check and put this episode behind you, McIngvale.

  • Duke

    Put these people in the Mike Gill category, if you have to train for them its time to find a new occupation..

  • jim arnold

    Ahhh! His wife’s twin sister? Pretty much sums it up, and Mack takes her “word” as gospel. Typical tool. This operation is a joke. Do yourself a favor and listen to Steve Byk’s take from his radio show yesterday, hour 2.

    Bottom line is Runhappy will be at stud before the end of 2016, this stable will continue to flounder, and Maria will have moved onward and upward (multiple graded stake winning trainer/2 G1s/Breeders Cup)

    Not many trainers have THAT on their resume.

    Biggest problem I have is, pay the girl.

    What kind of man/leader/human would refuse and pay her the 10%?!

    She won 5 straight for him!

    • trooper seven

      We hope.

      • Connie Matia

        We could hope someone like Taylor Made comes along and gets things on the right track.

        • trooper seven

          Got to be able to work wirh an owner to get things on the right track. Can you imagine working with this lunatic Mattress King/

          • Turning Leaves

            “If people disagree with me, they can wire me $50 million and lead him out.”

            Like any sprinter is worth $50 million. Combined with his comment that he’s spent $40 million over the years on racing that means he’s trying to turn the whole multi-decade experience profitable on the back of this one horse. Nope, no way to rationally negotiate with him.

          • trooper seven

            A post just went up which explains to my satisfaction the lunatic behavior of Mackingvale in the racing world. It proposes that all those times his horses lose or break down are tax losses against his mattress profits. A very good case is made for the proposition.

          • 7Cents

            Speaking of “rational”…..Any animal is worth whatever it’s worth to the guy who owns it, be it $500 or $50million. Consider this, when you go to an auction, ANY auction, and buy an animal you thought that animal was worth more than anybody else there that day. Period. Anybody who valued it higher than you could have outbid you. His horse, his price.

          • Turning Leaves

            Way to flip reality on its head. An asset is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. Nobody, and I mean nobody, is paying $50 million for a sprinter. At an auction if I’m willing to go to $150k on a yearling and nobody else is willing to go above my $65k bid, what price will I pay?

          • 7Cents

            Yes. but if nobody bids over your $65,000 then YOU thought that horse was worth more (way more if you were willing to go to $150K) than any other person there. and should be very happy to get him for that. Now, would you sell him if offered $75,000 a few hours later?

          • Turning Leaves

            Whether I would or I wouldn’t, the market has established that horse’s price at $65k. There are plenty of people who think their house is worth more than anybody is willing to pay them for it and that’s why those houses are on the market for years instead of being snapped up like appropriately priced houses in the area.

          • Depends how well organised the vendors are!

          • Steve Gibson

            Ummm, actually that’s not how it works in a free market Gumby. The horse is actually worth what someone else is willing to pay you for it in an open transaction. Not what you think it is because you just made a number up off the top of your head. LOL

      • Chancey Gardner

        Super Saver … who knew? But I personally would like to see the line continue.

    • Kathryn Gearhart

      What started out being the feel good story of the year has regressed into the manure pile of the year.

    • Bein

      Oh, my gosh. The resume is Runhappy’s, not Maria Borell’s. The people in Borell’s neighborhood know her best, and if she is that great, she’ll get some business from his winning the BC.

      I predict she’ll still have a 3 or 4 horse barn by this time next year.

  • Greg J.

    Glad Borell is gone, wish all the best to Runhappy, who will be just fine.

    • trooper seven

      How’s the weather in Connecticut, Greg? You never did explain how you were able to keep tabs on so many Kentucky rentals, owners, and tenants from Connecticut and not be connected to any of them….

      • Greg J.

        Read this slowly, ok? There is a thing called a phone. Now go back to writing hundreds of comments shooting down those that know more then you, thanks.

        • trooper seven

          Oh, so you were phoning from Connecticut about properties you have no financial interest in….? Oh KAY, if you say so.

  • Marlaine Meeker

    I would not brag that I kept monkeys and parrots in my store. Sounds like exploitation and at the very least a stupid sales gimmick. This whole affair stinks,maybe they could put skunks in their stores! It was a great BC Championship.So many great performances by so many horses. Too bad the human performances are not at the same level as their horse Runhappy.

  • Anthony Fontaine

    “This girl is our trainer”; that quote lets you know how much they valued their trainer, they saw her as the help someone beneath them.

  • vinceNYC

    A dead beat , unsuccessful trainer got what she deserved. No doubt the perfect people , the geniuses if you will have already established that Miss 0-23 deadbeat is an angel from heaven and LauraWohlers who was JUST DOING HER JOB is the devil incarnate…..

    • trooper seven

      And just what was Laura Wohlers ‘ job? There seems to be some vagueness and confusion about her title and her responsibilities–and where she’s licensed to train.

      • vinceNYC

        you mean other than the fact that she has trained since 1999 and has over 200 starters……….SHE DID WHAT HER BOSS ASKED HER TO DO.

        Maybe they got try of having a deadbeat as a trainer

        • Turning Leaves

          Wow, over 200 starts in 16 years. Look out Todd Pletcher!

          • vinceNYC

            The day after Charles Borell was arrested for animal cruelty in Mercer County, Ky., and a warrant was issued for Maria Borell, The Blood-Horse reported that the investigation continues. State and local officials are still trying to determine the identity and ownership of the 43 horses involved in the case. Feel pretty dumb defending this felon now dont you

          • Turning Leaves

            1) No, I don’t feel dumb for saying a employee shouldn’t be stiffed.
            2) Committing 43 misdemeanors doesn’t make one a felon, so you can’t even get that straight.
            3) McIngvale is still a jerk.
            4) Wohler’s is still not much of a trainer.

        • Chancey Gardner

          In between working at the furniture store – yes, THAT is what successful racing trainers do – moonlight in retail

        • Colette McMorrow Mulhall

          Who’s the deadbeat?? Not Maria. They picked her because she is a baby in the racing world, which makes her naive. How do you think she could pay the farm rent?? She is just starting out & doesn’t seem to have a background of previously working for other established trainers who could help her learn the ropes. What Maria is is an obviously very talented trainer who needs a better cash flow to support her business. The racing business is very hard to break into; esp as Maria is…completely on her own. Now that she has shown how well she trains, hopefully smart owners with at least half a brain will give her their horses to train.

          • vinceNYC

            You are embarrassing yourself with inane responses.

          • vinceNYC

            Feel pretty dumb now don’t you… As usual I was right
            The day after Charles Borell was arrested for animal cruelty in Mercer County, Ky., and a warrant was issued for Maria Borell, The Blood-Horse reported that the investigation continues. State and local officials are still trying to determine the identity and ownership of the 43 horses involved in the case.

        • JerseyGirl

          Starters….. Not finishers

    • jim arnold

      Big words from “little man” Vince!

      Read your post again, and tell me it doesn’t seem like an idiotic teenager wrote it!!

      • vinceNYC

        The day after Charles Borell was arrested for animal cruelty in Mercer County, Ky., and a warrant was issued for Maria Borell, The Blood-Horse reported that the investigation continues. State and local officials are still trying to determine the identity and ownership of the 43 horses involved in the case. I was ONE HUNDRED PERCENT CORRECT

    • 7Cents

      There is, in all these posts, a very, very OBVIOUS answer this sad, sordid saga.

      All these Friends of Barbaro and Maria need to pool their funds, buy a few horses, and send them to Maria. Get the 30-40 die hard supporters together and they can buy her 2-3 horses and it will only cost each of them a couple thousand each to buy in (have to get her some decent horses, after all!) and their monthly expenses would be a couple hundred or less each month. This way, they can give their “brilliant,” “talented” new trainer a fresh start. Figure in the cost of Tshirts for everyone with the horse buying money. There has to be a couple lawyers and an accountant or two in the bunch, right? Write up that partnership agreement, pick one to handle the books, and get this ball ROLLING!

      • vinceNYC

        Bet you feel pretty DUMB and I was 100% right
        The day after Charles Borell was arrested for animal cruelty in Mercer County, Ky., and a warrant was issued for Maria Borell, The Blood-Horse reported that the investigation continues. State and local officials are still trying to determine the identity and ownership of the 43 horses involved in the case.

  • Jim McIngvale is an 1diot. Sending a horse to the track with heat and fill in the joint is asinine and any horse person would have erred on the side of caution and walked him. He is and always has been a wack job that goes through trainers like toilet paper. You’d think a guy in business would have at least had the PR sense to wait a while before making this change. But after you see one of his commercials you realize he is not all there and also why he has been a miserable failure in racing. Sad he couldn’t just enjoy the one bright spot choosing to make a move few could possibly understand.

  • Michael Castellano

    “My wife has had monkeys and parrots in the furniture store. . . I’m like Donald Trump,” Jim McIngvale said. Unfortunately, Runhappy is a race horse. I suspect they had fired so many trainers, Maria was the only one who would say yes to training for them. I have no idea about the veracity of what either side says. The fact that she won a BC race and gets fired the next day speaks for itself.

  • Jay Stone

    He should have stopped after the line about monkeys and parrots which is what I did.

    • Marty P

      i stopped at that point, and scrolled down and saw pure stupidity ensued

  • Those in the position of power handled this as poorly as one could. Best of luck to Maria going forward.

  • Nancy Terhune

    Maria was right to want to give that horse bute if he had some heat and/or swelling in an ankle. Do him up in dmso and uptite after ice would be good idea too. Theres a big difference between treating an injury and wanting to run clean. Treat the injury correctly and then worry about running clean.

  • vinceNYC

    Remember Tin Ice ….an actual winning trainer , after winning the Belmont Travers and JCGold Cup with Summer Bird had the horse pulled from him after the Belmont…..now of course he wasn’t canonized like St Maria

    • Roland B.

      And how did that work out – Summer Bird never raced again. Are we to expect the same with Runhappy?

    • Connie Matia

      Two words: Social Media

    • Turning Leaves

      Tim Ice wasn’t fired right after the Belmont and it was a big story when it happened, so you’re 0 for 2.

      • Garrigan

        Big story – but the story wasn’t about how great a trainer Tim Ice was

        • Turning Leaves

          There was plenty of comment that he had been shoddily treated, even though it had been months since the big horse Summer Bird had raced. And, pay close attention cause this is a biggie, the proximate cause (according to the owners) was a failure to notify them in a timely manner that one of their horses had sustained a fracture.

          In this case, the proximate cause was the trainer trying to prevent the racing manager from taking a needless risk with the owners’ best horse. We’re not talking apples and oranges here, we’re talking apples and appaloosas.

  • delores potter

    I wish Mattress Mack a gazillion bedbugs, and all his customers sue him.

  • Nancy Terhune

    Jogging a horse like that when he has an ankle wrenched????? Criminal. Don’t need to jog him to see there is a problem. I many times have jogged a horse the next day after breezing if there isn’t obvious problem. In this case there was. And he did just win the breeders cup after all. Give him the day off !! And spend your time working on his ankle. You also could spend the time x-raying it. This Laura person won wht one race?? How mwny years experience does she have under a horse??

  • Megan

    “…we are very hands on micromanaging the training.”

    You say that like it’s a GOOD thing!

    How I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall for the conversations between Mattress Mack and the late great Bobby Frankel… I bet Frankel had some choice words to say about micromanaging your trainers.

    • disappointed

      There is a reason he has been thru 30 trainers and has what, a 5% win rate?

      • Megan

        You’d think he’d catch on that maaaaybe something in his racehorse management plan ain’t working right…

    • Chancey Gardner

      I said the same thing before reading this! I can only imagine the choice terms if Mac tried to tell Frankel to jog or not to jog.

    • JerseyGirl

      I believe he (BF) was an early trainer for McMattress, listed on TDN. There’s 33 names, some HOF. None were around long.

  • disappointed

    None of this mud slinging helps horse racings image. Owners and trainers have argued and will argue and disagree. I do not understand the desire to track the horse the Sunday after the race, or disagreeing with Bute the day after.. nor firing a trainer that had just set a track record at the BC. However, the owner is the owner and the horse is his to do with as he will, if he is not honoring commitments, that’s another thing.

    • trooper seven

      Somewhere in my reading of the last few days one of the connections was quoted as saying they wanted the fans to see the horse. God help this very good horse in the future.

  • TiffanyA

    I like how they emphasize how they pay and control all the grooms, stable management etc, but then blame Maria for the stalls not being cleaned, sores on horses. Get your story straight.

    • Chancey Gardner

      good point

    • 7Cents

      If they paid her to run the shedrow, then it was her responsibility to see that those things were done. If you are paid to manage a gas station and the owner comes in and finds the shelves not stocked, the floors dirty, and the coffee stale or cold or non-existent it is your butt on the line, not the kid behind the counter that day. You are paid to make sure he does his job. Understand now?

      • Lewis G

        Really 7 cents. You are clueless. Horse was nothing before Maria took over the training. Are you on the payroll of this vile owner? Lewis G

  • Tidewaterhorse

    How can you argue with someone who brings monkeys and parrots to their furniture store?

    • Easy Goer

      Where do they keep the goats !!

      • Turning Leaves

        That’s what they think their trainers are.

  • Tidewaterhorse

    What is also sad is that we are talking about this instead of American Pharoah.

  • CE Butler

    The man obviously is deranged. If it wasn’t for all his $$$ no one would even know his name. Sad that he is known as a Buffoon in the industry that truly needs positive press. Ms.Borel will be much better off in the long run.

  • swatkins

    I’m not sure but I think taking care of monkeys and parrots is a BIT different that caring for a TB that has just ran its heart out!!!! Linda sounds like she does not need to do anything with the horses but be sure the bills are paid….

  • shakeyoudown

    So the trainer wants to give bute the day after the horse breaks the track record and wins a grade I and the owner does not believe in drugs? What are they going to do if the horse colics? Not give it banamine? That 40 million will almost buy you a gas station in Iraq!

    • Colette McMorrow Mulhall

      Exactly correct!! Giving RunHappy Bute is the same as you or I taking some Motrin after a strenuous exercise.

      • Horses get filling and soreness for a reason. That reason may or may not be serious. Why not just take the hint and monitor the situation?

        • Jenna Heusi

          And allow the animal to be in pain? Read my response above.

          • Ditto.

          • Garrigan

            Using the skills of a physical therapist would be the best, fastest way to relieve that horse’s pain

      • katwalk

        Agreed. Horses get filling and soreness for a reason. It’s called inflammation. And you give them an anti-inflammatory to counter act inflammation, because inflammation can be destructive. You then also treat what is causing the inflammation after correct (hopefully) diagnosis. It is not that complicated.
        And giving the horse bute for heat/swelling is not the same as using it routinely for works.

    • Leaving aside this particular horse, and his strange connections, this post shows just why the medication problem will never be resolved. As long as NSAIDs are generally regarded a routine training tool there is little chance of ever imposing a stricter, more European, system.

      • shakeyoudown

        Bill this thinking is the equivalent of a faith healing religions denying their children medication that can cure their illness. It is a post race medication to make the horse comfortable. You don’t think horses in Europe are not given bute if they have an ailment after a race?

        • Thank you for explaining European racing to me. However I am trying [not very well, obviously] to make the general point that monitoring works better than medicating.

          • Jenna Heusi

            When you have a sore animal, horse or any other kind, you provide relief from pain. You don’t let them suffer because of your beliefs. We are responsible for their welfare and comfort. And yes I’m a veterinarian, and I am against overzealous use of medication unless there is a need for it.

          • Please don’t assume my “beliefs”. Read what I have [always] said on the subject. I do not accept that constant use of NSAIDs without evaluating the situation is helpful, and this discussion has arisen from my remark that, as the stable has been beating a medication free drum, there was a certain logic in not going straight to bute. Of course I did not see the horse: neither did you I assume.

          • Garrigan

            Some of the biggest, most successful stables have a very high attrition rate. The way they stay on top is to immediately replace the broken horse with a new one. It’s a numbers game at the top. This way monitoring can be replaced by medicating, or anything they want.
            I still believe monitoring is better, especially if you don’t have a lot of horses in your stable. Medicating seems to speed up the injury process in the end.
            Of course, there are many other factors that come into play, including genes, environment, quality of food, etc.
            But, if you give a horse the basics, a good horse can come from anywhere.

          • You sound as if you might enjoy the book – actually they likely don’t have a very high attrition rate here, more of a high under-achieving rate. [Thinking about it though, the most heavily influenced-by-America stable does fail on both counts!]

  • Wayne Stacy

    Lets make no mistake about the purpose and tone of my post; or my experience in the industry….I have none. I am a photographer. I see emotion and read people through a lens. I have been an acquaintance of Marie for a little over a year. But I am not a “dear friend”. I have seen how she has treated and cared for this horse, and it is beyond anything I have seen before when it comes to turning around a “failing” in any business.

    To remove Maria as trainer of this horse is going to be devistating for this animal. Does anyone actually believe that RH is going to receive the same attention from Wohlers? is she going to take naps in the stall with this horse? spend nights in the barn with this horse? Not a chance, outside of workout day, and race day she will never be near this animal, and on those days, she won’t get any closer than the grandstand, or the rail, until it is time for a photo op.

    People have continually tried to throw Wohlers “training” experience up as though she has some wonderful resume…..when the obverse is actually true.

    Since the year 2000 she has had 11 stakes races, and her best finish was 2nd with Objective, in 2006. She has only finished in the money that one time. throwing out the 2nd place finish, she has an average finish of 6th place over 10 races in 15 years…..is that who you want training your horse, if you are in fact someone who wants your racehorses to win money?

    While on the obverse…Maria has had 6 stakes races, and finished 1st in all but one, a 12th place finish by Sgt. Sandals in 2014…

    Young, new, old, hot, ugly…….if you are a horseman/woman, this is who you want training your horses.

    Unless,….

    What I do know is business, and business is no different from one type to the next. You have businesses that are geared to profit, and those geared to failure. some do it by design, others do it out of ignorance, some do it out of love.

    People open restaurants because they love food, and they want you to love their food. Most close within 5 years; many within 24 months….it wasn’t about money. It was about love.

    Many big businesses want profits from the creation of a service, or device, to dominate, Apple, Microsoft, etc, etc……if a service or product fails, it kills it because its all about the profits.

    there are two kinds of of racehorse owners…

    Those who out of love and ignorance will invest time, energy, and countless dollars into an animal and a team because they have love for an animal and they believe in it……the money is no consideration.

    Those who look at a racehorse as a way to write off debt as a capital gains loss, and tax deduction.

    Jim Mcingales is the later in my opinion. Every single time he has a trainer, rider, horse that is ready to take the world by storm, create a great buzz, put the stakes earnings on track to profit……he destroys it. Because if the horse is a winner, then he pays taxes…he is no longer creating deductions on loses.

    This man keeps throwing horses at his inept sister in law because he knows she couldn’t train a barrel to hold trash.

    Maria was fired because she and RH made money……

    You want proof?

    First off, you don’t fire 35 (now 36) of the best trainers in the business over the course of 18 years without being a little bit touched in the head…

    Since 1997 Mcingales has posted 31 stakes horses. subtract RH from the lot and you are left with 27 races. in 18 years his horses have had three 1st place finishers, two 2nd place finishers, and two 3rd place finishers…..in 18 years. his average finish for a horse is 5.4 always outside the money.

    It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see that he uses horse racing to offset the profits obtained as the “mattress king”…

    Wohlers is a middle management yes man(woman), who went crying to the brass when she didn’t get her way in front of the “help”. Mcingales is a narcissist who believes anyone else’s face on the screen or in print other than his own…does him an injustice.

    If RH goes off to California and finishes a race higher than 5th place…….I will be beyond astounded.

    They can try to spin their PR all they like, but they can’t spin math and statistics.

    • trooper seven

      This is the first post I have read and the first insight I’ve read into the past lunatic behavior of James Macingvale. Terrible, terrible.

    • SaratogaJ

      Nice post and some keen insights. I hope you’ll visit the various threads on this subject at the Bloodhorse website and repost it for those readers to see.

    • trooper seven

      I second the invitation to repost this on any thread in any magazine where Runhappy and MacIngvale is discussed. Valuable and well organized insight.

    • Jane Castruccio

      Excellent post. Let’s see it in a few other places!

    • Yore psycho

      The horse will run better because of the move. You sound like a psycho to the people who actually know Maria. If she’s such a great horse person why has she not been there since then went down to take care of her other horses. Sounds like someone you want training your horses. Yeah that’s what I thought. I want someone who can deal with adversity in a mature professional manner not someone that creates it. Have you ever seen a stall at her farm with a foot of manure in it. Or any of the other neglect she has inflicted on her animals

      • Kathy Agel

        Yet another poster with a blocked posting history. My, those sockpuppets are multiplying like rabbits!

        • Now you’re really psycho

          Is that the best you can answer? Do you know her personally or not or are you just posting out of emotion or disdain for someone else that you’ve never met or had any experience with

          • Kathy Agel

            Actually, my disdain is directed toward sockpuppets. Few legitimate posters have the need to hide.

      • trooper seven

        Wouldn’t “A Psycho of Yore” been more grammatically accurate? As well as describe you more accurately.

        • Kathy Agel

          Either one is grammatically inaccurate.

          Have you noticed that the posting style of these posters is nearly identical? I’m having trouble telling them apart. It’s only a matter of time before errors creep in. I’ve seen it happen before (one person/400 accounts on a Yahoo list. No, that’s not an extra zero).

    • Kathy Agel

      That says it all, and beautifully, too. My compliments on a thoughtful, concise post.

      • Let’s hope we never get a rambling one!!

        • Kathy Agel

          We did — in the statement from Mattress Mack.

      • Memories of Puchi

        okay, so you find frequent spelling mistakes and grammatical errors “beautiful?”

        • Kathy Agel

          Wow — talk about a deflection of the discussion. That’s very typical trollish behavior, right out of the “Trolls For Hire” playbook. Nice try, though.

          Not that you honestly deserve a reasoned answer — but you’ll get one, anyway. I’m an editor and a writer, but I wasn’t responding as one. I was responding to the sentiment, not critiquing the post as if it were a submission sent in for editing.

          However, since you opened yourself to criticism with your last post, I’ll be happy to critique it for you:

          a) sentences start with capital letters, and

          b) the closing quote in your sentence should have come before the question mark, not after, since the question mark was not a part of my original post.

          Happy now?

          • Memories of Puchi

            tee hee ! defensive verbosity

          • Kathy Agel

            I see you’ve committed “Trolls for Hire” to memory.

            Get back to me when you can actually discuss the topic instead of being disruptive. Until then — don’t waste your breath or my time.

        • Steve Gibson

          Says the grammar king, who has no clue how to use a comma, a question mark, quotation marks, or a capital letter properly. LOL

    • Matthew Hood

      That’s pretty clueless of how tax deductions work. So you think the only way he has to write off a deduction is in horse racing? Guess we all hear new ideas of crazy everyday.

    • Rocky Ward

      You sir are the ultimate spin doctor. I enjoyed reading your spin but there is one area that fails to hold water. You state that the owners use this as a write-off, and that may very well be the case. However if RunHappy is making money and Maria was fired because of it then it would stand to reason that they would have paid Maria the 10% purse fee she would be entitled to rather than the 10K they want to give her…Thus reducing the “winnings” and taxable income. Although a very well written post I am afraid your theory has flaws. I do believe that they do believe in drug free training, I also think that Laura has a position because of who her sister is married to and not because of her success in training. All the power in the world to them, It’s their horses, their money..right or wrong. Maria had a disagreement in training, also was trying to build her own stable. This was nothing more than a disagreement between owner and trainer… Yes I believe you have a very fickle owner…in the words of Frank Sinatra…. We did it my way!!

  • jdp1181

    The Malibu, the Met Mile and the Whitney? What a strange combination of races. This is a sprint horse, keep him sprinting. Try to get him to run a mile and an eighth and you’ll ruin him. This is an intelligent animal. Once you put him in a position where he tries as hard as he can but can’t succeed, he’ll quit on you and you’ll never have the same racehorse again.

    • trooper seven

      read the post by Wayne Stacy on losing or broken down horses as tax losses. Made my blood run cold and my anxiety for the horse’s future rise to heights unheard of.

      • Roland B.

        It’s a good conspirary theory but highly dubious. He could achieve the same by donating the horses.

        • trooper seven

          I’m not a tax expert and don’t know if the effect would be the same, but the way he has run his horses supports the theory. Which is a theory, but not a conspiracy theory.

      • jdp1181

        Knowing this whole story, if I was an insurance company, I’d refuse to insure the horse. Horse breaks down and they have to pay up.

      • jdp1181

        Also, this guy is a true moron if he thinks the horse is worth $50 million. By Super Saver out of a Broken Vow mare that won a maiden claimer at Delaware Park?? Plus he’s winning sprint races, not route races. Farms don’t pay that kind of money for a horse that’s gonna throw more sprinters. They give that kind of money for a horse they believe will throw a Derby winner.
        Guess that’s why he wants to win the Whitney. Good luck, won’t happen.

  • race2ride

    “We know what it takes to train athletes,” said Jim McIngvale.

    After reading this, I sincerely doubt he does. At least not equine athletes. This guy is a complete embarrassment to racing and the entire industry would be better off without him. Apparently, he’s one of those that believes bad publicity is still publicity and he’s probably right. He wouldn’t be getting much attention if he were a good owner. The only thing that he’s good at is putting on a ridiculous show.

    • Chancey Gardner

      Apparently not, if this is your first Grade1 and you’ve been at it for 20 years.

  • disappointed

    Did McIngvale fire Baffert after DURING won the BC in 2004? or did Baffert fire him :)

    • Roland B.

      Mack never worked for Baffert, so how could he fire the czar of monkeys and parrots?

      • disappointed

        Baffert trained horses for him — trainers can fire owners too ;)

        • Roland B.

          So Obama’s dog trainer can fire the President?

    • Turning Leaves

      DURING won the San Fernando Breeders’ Cup Stakes in Jan. 2004. McIngvale fired Baffert in September of that year.

      • trooper seven

        Where did During end up?

        • Turning Leaves

          He’s standing at O’Sullivan Farms LLC in WV for $1500.

          • trooper seven

            Thanks…

  • Holly Brunner

    Frankly, the racetracks should refuse to give this outfit stalls. They have betrayed a complete ignorance of horse management. They have decided that “data” is more important than horsemanship in determining how to train the horse. They data may tell you to train harder, but the horse may be telling you he needs a break. Only a professional horseman/woman can make that determination. The real issue here is animal welfare, and the tracks have the power to deny access.

    • SPA

      So racetracks should get involved in owner-trainer disputes and deny stalls based on….what exactly?? The racetracks aren’t touching this case, nor should they.

      • Holly Brunner

        The racetracks should get involved purely in the interest of protecting the welfare of horses owned or trained by people who show clear disregard for the horses’ well being. I would not be surprised if there is precedent for this.

        • trooper seven

          Perhaps they should get involved for the sake of their own reputation. But honestly I really have no opinion here because I can see merits both in involvement and non-involvement.

          • Holly Brunner

            I am a life long fan of horse racing. The welfare of the horse MUST BE the number one priority of all participants in the horse business. In general the public perceives this not to be the case, which is reflected in the current low popularity of the sport. My observation over the years has been the people who prioritize the well being of the animals are more successful in the long run. I applaud McIngvale for refusing to run his horses on medications, but refusing to give a sore horse a dose of bute and a day off is unconscionable. Moreover, basing training decisions on “data” rather than the physical and mental status of the horse is abusive. He should be banned.

          • Chancey Gardner

            They don’t want to hear this, but it is true – get a national authority for the ENTIRE sport and throw out the riffraff.

          • SPA

            I’m not saying it shouldn’t happen but it’s never happening. Show me the first state racing commission ready to give up power to a national figure. Who will this national authority report to?

        • johnnyknj

          In a perfect world, that would be great. In the sad reality of racing today, if tracks based stall allotment on “animal welfare” you’d have half (more at some tracks) the stalls in America empty.

          • Holly Brunner

            And in the long run, that would be a good thing. I’m no idealist, I understand there is no perfect world, but that is no excuse for turning a blind eye to animal abuse. Short term thinking and “quick fixes” with permissive medications have not exactly led to a prosperous and popular sport of horse racing.

        • SPA

          Racetracks protecting the interests of the horses? What qualifies them to do that? They don’t even protect their customers. Tracks are interested in profits only. Privately owned tracks can rule people off the grounds for any reason they wish but why would they get involved in this dispute? They are never going to and they especially will not jump to any conclusions until all the facts are in.

  • Joe phelps

    this guy is a nut :::::::::::::::::::

  • MNJustin

    Hilarious! They are proud to say that they micro manage their trainers yet when they talk about their horse that is about to run in a grade 1 race, having foot problems, they say “an abscess or something”. Who cares about the details of a health problem with the horse, just get it fixed so we don’t miss out on making some money! Then they criticize the trainer for not wanting to run a horse that has foot problems. Just because Runhappy won doesn’t mean it was in his best interest to run.

    My other favorite quote is “we know what it takes to train athletes.” Do you really? You’ve been in the business for 20 years, you have a 5% win rate, you boast that you’ve spent $40 million and you just got your first Grade 1…do you really consider that success? Maybe they didn’t mean horses?

    This whole saga has me really confused but I am sure about two things:
    1) I will never spend a dollar at Gallery Furniture.
    2) I will never rent my farm to Maria Borell.

    • Colette McMorrow Mulhall

      I would rent her my farm…as long as she had an income of a lot more than $800 a week. On such a minute salary, she is absolutely set up to fail… be unable to pay her bills.

      • MNJustin

        That’s her problem. That $800 a week is probably the most she’s ever made and now that’s gone too. You see the way it works is your income should determine how much money you spend. If you don’t have enough income to rent a farm, don’t rent the farm. Also, lack of income doesn’t make it okay to let your animals completely destroy a rental house…that’s lack of character.

        • trooper seven

          But we don’t know that happened, and whatever happened has nothing to do with the current racing dispute.

          • MNJustin

            We do know it happened. Read the court documents. It’s about the character of the parties involved so to me it does matter. I was a lot more sympathetic to Maria’s situation before I learned what she has done to others. Karma is a b!&$h! Mac will find that out one day too.

          • trooper seven

            MN Justin, we don’t know that happened, and an anonymous poster like yourself won’t convince anyone. Particularly when your background info is sealed. It’s a smear, you’re part of the smear, and your say so is worth nothing.

          • MNJustin

            “Trooper Seven” taking me to task for posting anonymously. Nice! You can choose to bury your head in the sand. I choose to go with the facts. The facts that are in the documents from the Commonwealth of KY Court of Appeals, where her former landlord was awarded $ for unpaid rent and for damage that her dogs did to the house. Don’t take my word for it, follow the link that Ray provided in the story about Maria. Then go to YouTube and search Maria Borell to see what her current landlord alleges she has done to the house she lives in now. The evidence is pretty difficult to dispute.

          • trooper seven

            The current landlord? She has other problems which have no more connection to Borrell getting fired than your assertions do. Although you could tell me why Kara’scolby farms lld was dissolved last year. And btw, you tube films aren’t evid3ence of anything–except perhaps that the landlord entered the tenant’s premises illegally and possibly squirted water on the floor to make it look as if something/one had urinated there. Oh, and that the landlord had let a porch rot and not repaired it as landlords are supposed to do. Any landlord tenant problems Borrell may have have absolutely nothing to do with the Runhappy firing and are thrown out as a rather amateurish smear attempt.

          • MNJustin

            Saying that a person’s history of not properly caring for the property of others has nothing to do with her getting fired, is silly. I’m not in any way defending Mac as his character flaws are well documented but I’m tired of you Maria apologists who refuse to acknowledge that she’s not some innocent victim here. What goes around comes around. Others have had to go to court to get the money they were owed by Maria and now it’s her turn to fight to get paid. Hopefully this will be a good learning experience for her.

          • trooper seven

            I’m no Maria apologist. I just know the difference between a landlord tenant dispute and a dispute over a racing firing which involves a disputed verbal agreement. I know the difference between vague accusations “supported” by the types of videos mentioned: and a twenty some year history of changing trainers, nepotism, throwing money at races and producing non-winners.
            And a smear job is easy to recognize. You are one of the people engaging in one.

          • MNJustin

            Is Ray trying to smear Maria by reporting the FACTS about her past dealings with a landlords and including the link to the court ruling in his story? I find it comical that you base your judgement of one party on their past but refuse to acknowledge the past of the other party. If you consider a ruling by the KY Court of Appeals “vague accusations” than you are clearly not approaching this rationally. You are a Maria apologist.

  • mike

    Seems there are 2 sides to a coin!

  • HideousZippleback

    I already knew this people were crazy but the “monkeys and parrots” line really affirms their craziness.

  • Geez. What does a horse have to do to get a day off in that barn.

  • Chancey Gardner

    Racing certainly has some hillbillies in the industry: “…Jim McIngvale interjected that Linda McIngvale “is concerned about the welfare of all animals. My wife has had monkeys and parrots in the furniture store,” he said….” As if keeping wild animals captive in a furniture store is good for them.

    • JerseyGirl

      Yeah, that and the Trump remark made him look more McMoronic‼️

  • MNJustin

    Hey Mac! Where do I send my resume to be your next trainer? I don’t have any experience training racehorses but I once did a heck of a job training a mini horse to pull a little buggy. That little sucker was wild when I got him but before I knew it he was pulling the kids up and down the driveway AND I never drugged him. I know how to train horses…well mini horses but horses are horses right?

    But that’s not all, I’m also a Six Sigma Master Black Belt and statistical expert. And one more thing, I have experience running call centers and the home delivery division for a major high end mattress manufacturer, so I could pull double duty like Laura does, if necessary.

    I started out typing this comment as a joke but the more I think about it, I’m your guy. Everything I said above is the truth.

    I love California, I promise not to question Laura or the program, we’ll train with stats, avoid Lactic acid buildup, train the day after every race, keep the horses off drugs, keep the win % below the radar and win one or two more grade 1s in over the next 20 years or so. Combine your $40 million and my experience, we can’t lose! This is going to be great!

    • katwalk

      LOL!

    • artistinwax

      Let us know if you get the job!

  • I don’t know what this caliber of horse is worth but I’m sure it’s a lot of money. If he wants the big bucks the Keeneland Sale is in action RIGHT NOW and the people with the big bucks are all there RIGHT NOW looking for something good. Why doesn’t he lead Runhappy over there and cash him in? I’m sure Keeneland would be only “toohappy” to accept the horse and advertise him hither and yon and give a phone call to any big bucks buyers that might have gone home after Day 1 in case they would be interested. That’s the only way that anyone named McIngvale will get all that the market will bear for a horse of this caliber now. Decent people aren’t going to want to approach them privately because then they would have to actually talk to them.

    • MLS

      Yeah, but the nut case wants $50 million for him….

      • My guess is that was bravado so that he could sound like Mr. Big for the article. I doubt the reserve would be half that.

        • MLS

          Well, duhhhh

  • JJ the TV watcher

    Anyone who believes what these people are saying needs their head examined.

    • trooper seven

      These aren’t horse people.

  • Jane Castruccio

    Please sell this horse to somebody, anybody with a rbrain! These people will ruin him and ruin him quickly.

  • Kevin Callinan

    Once again social media has a field day with what’s considered acceptable behavior on ‘the backstretch’. Owners try to take advantage of struggling trainers and trainers prey on jockeys who are down on their luck. It gets ugly when it’s exposed.
    Am I the only troubled by the fact that they feel the have some insight into the equine athlete because they own a tennis club?

  • Cyndi Robertson

    Sounds like the twins are a problem. Linda advocates animal welfare, but refusing to allow pain management could also be perceived as animal cruelty. She admits “he was a little sore from the race…”

  • Delrene

    What a huge mess. All the name calling, all the accusations back and forth. All of you need to meet with an arbitrator or head to mediation and clean up this mess. I don’t believe that the above statements made by the horse owners help their case on bit. “An abscess or something?” “I’m like Donald Trump”?? “Why have they run through so many trainers” They don’t want the trainer telling them how to handle the horse? Oh my send this horse to Richard Mandella if they want to come to California. And for once listen to what he says. There are so many fans of Runhappy and that is what we want, for him to run happy.

  • All that Maria needs to do is to identify one other trainer that is willing to assert in open court that they were not paid what they were owed by McIngvale. My pure guess from the sounds of things is that there might be quite a line of trainers that would like to have that honor. That would establish that it is his usual and customary practice to cheat trainers. These trainers should not contact Maria directly but rather contact her attorney to say that they would like to be deposed in this matter. Check-mate.

    • SPA

      I can tell you he is not the first owner to “cheat” a trainer. I can also tell you that I’m quite positive some bloodstock people have made a nice little commission cheating him…..it’s the way this business works. It doesn’t make it right, but it’s common.

  • morningdog

    this is the sentence that caught my attention: –“She was very appalled at how the other two horses were being handled,” Linda McIngvale said. “She said they had sores and the stalls were not properly kept.” –because I know people that have been to her farm and have seen the terrible neglect of her horses. there’s a pattern here, people.

  • Wild Oats

    All one has to do is read this article to understand what idiots these people really are.

    • trooper seven

      WO, you have been around a while. I just tried to post to MorningDog.. But the response was “You cannot reply to a post which is not active.” What does that mean…what is an inactive post?

      • Wild Oats

        I have no idea :)

      • JerseyGirl

        The comments section is closed.

        • trooper seven

          Closed on a single post? Didn’t know that was possible. I know they take down posts…oh well, live and learn.

          • JerseyGirl

            Yes. Many sites are still available to read but the comments section is closed. HRN stays open.

  • If you disguise the fact that they are a little sore you can wind up with them Very Sore. I stand by the oil light analogy. That’s not to say that I think anyone in this saga knows what they’re doing – the evidence seems to be against that!

    • Turning Leaves

      If you disguise the fact that they’re a little sore and then work them you can wind up with them very sore. If you give them a light dose of Bute and handwalk them then you won’t end up with them being very sore. Unless, that is, there was something already wrong with them that would have gone real bad if you had worked them.

      • My point is that normalising NSAIDs has patently been a disaster for American racing overall, and until that situation is reversed you will never get on top of the doping problem. This particular soap opera is irrelevant to that fact.

        • juststacey

          NSAIDS are not the problem! Diuretics (Lasix) and narcotics are the problem!

          • I just tried to make the point that as long as everyone goes straight for NSAIDs the whole game is on a slippery slope. Obviously I did not succeed.

          • Garrigan

            All drugs not in the hands of a Doctor, can possibly be a problem to the animal receiving them.

        • artistinwax

          NSAIDs are problematic for people also. I’ve seen animals that are sore react magically to massage, chiropractic, acupuncture, and heat applied at the right time, just as people like it just fine. Putting a chemical band aid on a problem eventually just requires more and more chemical applications and never solves the problem. Animals, just as people, respond to kindness and good intentions. I’m glad you, as a well-known professional horseman, don’t believe in normalizing the use of NSAIDs. I really keep my eyes open and look for the people and practices that are more in line with natural healing. Seems like these are kinder practices that enhance a horse/person with a healthier, longer life.

          • Thank you, obviously my remarks were not as obscure as some seem to have found them. The funny part of this is that we ran horses more than anyone else – but “that was then, this is now”, I suppose!

          • katwalk

            Actually the administration of a anti-inflammatory can serve to break up the inflammatory cycle. Chronic inflammation is the enemy and ultimately causes tissue damage. The administration of anti-inflammatories can serve to restore normal health to an inflamed area and prevent the need to intervene more aggressively down the road. Bute is not the problem. Let’s talk about steroid joint injections due to the joint damage caused by chronic inflammation. . , That’s reprehensible.

        • Laurie MacLennan Nunnally

          Are you kidding! Your putting Bute in the “Doping” category! Its a COX2 NSAID!!! As in NON Steroidal anti inflammatory drug! Its a prostglandalin blocker! Its purpose is to block the chemicals that cause inflammation! It is not a cortisteroid!!! As a matter of fact working a horse right after a work(a track gallop the day after race) out that creates a large lactic acid dump,will cause the horses adrenal gland to produce way more cortisol trying to control the inflammation, and consequently resulting in the kidneys working overtime, not good, over use of Bute has side effects hard on the GI tract and more, but Buteing after a race or hard work out along with tack walking lots of hydration and massage is the humane protocol not a track gallop! Frankly every last person involved with this poor animal sounds like an ignorant wingnut!

          • When I was quite small my mother taught me to read. I was then lucky enough to attend a Grammar School [now anathema to the modern Education Industry]; it taught me to read, digest, and only then to formulate any counter argument. I suggest that you re-read what I have written and respond more rationally. In order to save time, here are the basic points in short form: [1] the stable joined WHOA with some ceremony recently, making routine administration of bute problematic for them, [2] the hysteria that arose among some posters because such vital and humane intervention did not automatically take place seemed to demonstrate just why it will be very difficult to ever get on top of the doping problem. I have said several times on various threads that if attitudes do not change then it will always be difficult to see the wood for the trees. Is that any clearer?

          • katwalk

            What exactly does “routine administration” mean? The trainer wanted to give the horse bute after a hard race because he was sore. Is that routine administration? Laurie MN is correct in how she describes bute, although it is not the equivalent of aspirin, it is more like ibuprophen. If you think the administration of bute is the the salient or in any way representative of the doping problem in horse racing I would suggest that you are very naïve.

          • It seems so – at least in expecting you to understand the simple point I was making. I submit that administration of bute was in fact a salient issue in this particular case, and I say again that the blanket reliance upon [legal] medication has greatly muddied the waters as far as policing illegal substances. You might find the racinghorsesbook site interesting.

          • katwalk

            Bill O’Gorman said:

            ” In order to save time, here are the basic points in short form: [1] the stable joined WHOA with some ceremony recently, making routine administration of bute problematic for them”
            I repeat, what does “routine administration” mean?
            The trainer said the horse had heat in a joint(s). Is giving bute in these circumstances “routine”? I would say it is not, but rather in the horse’s best interest in the long term to do so. I finAdministration of bute may have been a salient point (as was taking the horse to the track as I understand the story), but whether or not this is “routine administration” (again, whatever that means), is another question. She had a reason that I would say falls outside the definition of “routine”. And specific to this story, let us not forget they said the decision had been made before the race. . . . .

          • Whatever you say.

          • katwalk

            Ah yes, the formulated counter argument.

          • I tried to direct you to the formulated counter argument – why not take a look and then come back to me?

          • shakeyoudown

            So Bill is Adequan or Polyglycan taboo in your drug free world?

          • I suspect that you know I used adequan with success. As you [can only] have read this, you should also know that I preferred it to other treatments in chronic arthritic cases as being non-invasive of the joint. It is not a pain killer per se and don’t think that it should ever lead to a catastrophic incident. I also believe in [as you may know!]: iodine as a working blister, formalin for bad feet or abcess, Dermobion ointment for infected wounds or scratches [now sadly unavailable]. And, whisper it, I did have some luck with one homeopathic remedy on the very few occasions I used it – but that may have been coincidental to a rare bleeding episode being a one off event anyway. IMO, none of these things are fraught with the danger that attends routine application of NSAIDs – which is the general point I have tried to make.

          • shakeyoudown

            A drug is a drug. So your whole argument goes out the window. You are making this a black and white issue. If you feel it is ok to use drugs for preventative maintenance but you are against giving a horse a small amount of bute after running their eyeballs out is hypocritical. And who is talking about routine NSAIDS? I simply see nothing wrong with making a horse comfortable after a race.
            I am a runner and upon completion of a race I take an ice bath and pop some naproxen to take out the inflammation in my joints. There is nothing wrong with taking care of your body as well as that of your horse.

          • All I said was that there is a common sense argument for waiting to see what’s going on rather than camouflaging the situation.

          • Laurie MacLennan Nunnally

            Mr.O’Gorman,
            Please accept my sincerest apologies as you are absolutely correct in that I did not read your entire thread. However that you felt it necessary to infer my neglect at taking the time to read the thread regarding the use of Bute in it’s entirety, as a lack of grammar school education, is rude. Condescending remarks serve no purpose.

            Good luck with your discussion, anything to improve the experience of racing for the horse is a good thing!

          • I too apologise, my rudeness was the result of frustration that, although I had not said anything unreasonable, various listers seem determined to misunderstand me [boo hoo!]. Actually I quite like arguing, I’m afraid, but I do try not to nail my colours too firmly to the mast unless I’m pretty confident of my material.

      • Garrigan

        Where do you draw the line? How much Bute? how often? For weeks, months, years? The whole time the horse is in training?
        I can’t tell you how many horses’ legs literally exploded in a race after getting bute on a regular basis. What is “regular basis? Another question that has many many interpretations.
        This happened back in the early ’70’s , at tracks such as Green Mountain and Narragansett, and, of course good ‘ol Lincoln Downs, for those old enough to remember.
        I agree with Bill O’Gorman.

        • Turning Leaves

          Don’t be absurd. A single gram of bute one time the morning after a race is not going to cause his legs to “literally explode.”

          • Garrigan

            Yes, I agree, only one small gram of bute, given just one time, will not have an extreme affect.
            But we’re talking about bute on a “regular basis” which means more than once, and I have found that, if you give only one gram, chances are you will think 2 (or 3 ) will work even better.
            PT works faster, and better.

          • Turning Leaves

            That’s ludicrous. There are plenty of horsemen who have properly administered NSAIDs for decades without feeling the need to OD a horse.

          • Garrigan

            I’m saying PT is a much much quicker, and better solution to your everyday soreness than giving a drug.
            Of course, PT takes some effort.
            Perhaps you didn’t understand me.

          • Barbara Bowen

            What?? Who in the world thinks giving 2 or 3 is a good idea that has a first clue about using bute on a horse? it is not that extreme – you are not a druggie or abstaining. There is medium. And regular basis? A slightly and logically sore horse with inflammation that just ran 1 oh 8 is the most prime candidate for a gram of bute that I can think of…

          • katwalk

            Give your horse 2-3 gms of bute/day for an extended period of time, and your going to have a lot of other problems on your hands. . . That concept is nonsense. No one that works with horses would give that much bute for any extended period of time.

          • Black Lion

            I’m not sure if you deal with racehorses or not but a lot of trainers even your big name trainers train on bute. Meaning the horse gets it everyday to train. They also train on tranquilizers. That’s the reason bute has gotten a bad name. Neither are good for a horse at all but they have their pros. Longterm usage is very detrimental.

          • katwalk

            Relative to Garrigan’s comments – The point was the AMOUNT of bute and the idea that if one gm was good, 2 or 3 would be better. Over administration of “large” amounts of bute over even a very short period of time has very well known and potentially dangerous side effects.

          • katwalk

            Garrigan also posted this – nuff said.

            “What, exactly, is an NSAID? Does it have any side effects? Does it act exactly the same on every animal?
            It is not aspirin, as far as I know. And, if your horse has a headache, how do you know, and do you give it aspirin”

          • artistinwax

            That’s an interesting question. When I see a horse with swelling under his eyes, and swelling a little over his eyes, with the whites of his eyes bloodshot I think something is making this horse feel a little bit sideways. The horse I see every day demonstrates this. Maybe she has a headache. But you can actually tell if they don’t feel up to par. And maybe they need some really good clean water, a nice walk, a nice nap. Maybe they have a pain. If you have an expensive horse it is not so far fetched that a good massage, acupuncture is better than doctor poison. There is no bad side effect from massage and gentle petting and kindness to make him/her feel better. My horse likes a carrot. She swings her neck while running for it, calls me from way across the pasture, and she’s happy to see me … unless she feels down and I can tell.

        • Bless you my son.

    • Not if you give it properly and combine it with rest. Like taking an aspirin for a headache. Sometimes a dose and rest take care of the problem. Same goes for muscle soreness. Used in combination with common sense, it will not cause further injury.

    • Janet delcastillo

      Bill, do you have an email?

    • Steve Gibson

      Your analogy attempt is moronic. Nothing was attempted to be disguised by giving bute to a sore horse the day after a race. And only a complete buffoon would demand that a horse that had just raced the previous day and had some filling in its ankle be sent to the track for a jog. Their so called “way of doing things” isn’t different, it’s plain moronic.

      Now if Bello had suggested giving the horse bute for 15 straight days after the horse had raced to mask pain and keep training on it, now that’s using bute to mask something. She simply wanted the horse to be given bute the following day after the race, and to keep the horse walking in the barn, not jogging on the track. That isn’t trying to hide something and your attempt to link her but request to systemic drug usage in thoroughbred racing is asinine.

  • Bill B.

    Nasty stuff just doesn’t end with this incident. Now they won’t pay her! This guy has a very long history of being a jerk, but doing what he did the day after NBC does a warm & fuzzy piece on his BC winning trainer is besides everything else, a pretty stupid PR move. He doesn’t seem able to find an established trainer to work with him anymore and this surely won’t help, but clearly he has an agenda totally different than most others and clearly one that doesn’t work either with all the failures he’s had in this business. He must have big bucks to throw away though, much like his apparent role model, Trump.

  • Garlandtex

    All you have to read is 30 trainers, count them thirty, and you know how loyal this group of wannabes is to anyone. Also, as far as their wieird training tactics, I would hazard that $40 million dollars spent, one graded stakes win in about 2000 starts says it all about those ideas. The egos on these folks is amazing considering their horse racing record.

  • Dust Prince

    so they didn’t want to give him bute, but wanted to jog him on the track instead? that just sounds totally insane to me! any athlete sore after a game is going to take bute or aspirin and rest the sore spots. WALKING THE SHEDROW will also take care of the lactate. their explanation just shows how nuts these people are.

  • Nice nice

    Barbara you speak as if you were there. Have you read the article on usracing.com or any of the other articles that said she didn’t have much to do with the horses training. From my understanding there were cameras on top of cameras at the barn and that footage will be shown to the public very soon. Will we see you in it?

  • Matt Perry

    How about some time off

  • Boknows

    I would Not believe the these people on a stack of Bibles…

  • yours45 you 91

    The more they talk the worse they look

  • yours45 you 91

    Jims new classified ad- looking for new trainer, we’ll not really a trainer just someone I can push around and I won’t pay you like a trainer, you may make 50 bucks a day..and no 10 percent earnings.. but I want you to work like a real trainer does. But only when I want you too. Pay is to be decided latter.

  • Lefty_Orioles_Fan

    “Our horses have always gone to the track (after a race). We want to get the lactic acid out,” said Linda McIngvale.

    Well while this is very exciting, what typically does happen after a race like this??? Especially when RunHappy ran a sub 1:09 and had a very willing Favorite Tale right on RunHappy’s tail. Also, Private Zone ran a very good race and combine that with RunHappy running a tune up on October 20th. I am thinking the horse was spent and needed some rest or maybe a walk in the park to walk off the vegetables.

    I don’t think McIngvale’s have any idea as to what in the world they are doing.
    Just for comparison I remember was seeing Frosted after the Belmont laying down in his stall, I don’t recall Kiaran McLaughlin wanting to give Frosted another spin the next day. I don’t recall Harry Aleo wanting to Lost in a Fog a full work after he won the Kings Bishop. What is really going here? In the end the McIngvale’s should just pay Maria Borrell what she is owed and be done with it. Then everyone can get on with it.

    • Wiccan Wind

      I would hardly call a jog a “full work” or “another spin”. Not that I agree with McIngvale, its just that I work in this industry, and comments like that end up being repeated all over the web by opponents of horse racing. Next thing you know, we regularly work the poor horses the day after a race despite their badly swollen legs. A person wanted to lightly exercise a horse that reportedly had some heat and swelling. Apparently the limb was not so severely swollen that anyone thought to consult a vetrinarian, something I think a horse of that caliber would warrant.

      • ThaiDye

        They did get a vets opinion, and he was cleared as completely sound and jogged 2 miles the following day. The connections have reason to second guess maria, she wanted to scratch the horse a week before the kings bishop because he was off, the owners called dr. larry bramladge and he found out it was a foot abcess, fixed it, he won, the rest is history.

        • Wiccan Wind

          Hmm… I did not know about the vet consult after the breeders cup. I was more speaking about the horses “trainer” concerning the veterinary check up on the heat and swelling. I suppose now she not only believes she’s a trainer, but also a DVM, since she apparently diagnosed the horse, then prescribed bute.
          I had heard about the foot access, however, so she is apparently not a very good veterinarian.

  • juststacey

    To “Stop it please”

    First of all, it is estimated that the vast majority – as many as 90% – of performance horses have gastric ulcers for many reasons, but mostly due to commercial grain based diets. One or two grams of bute isn’t going to exacerbate the problem under normal circumstances, but if the ulcers are a serious enough problem, they can usually be managed successfully with Gastrogard, the active ingredient of which is omeprazole i.e. Prilosec.

    Next, lactic acid build up does NOT present as heat and filling in the legs of a horse, it presents as burning pain, stiffness and cramping of the muscles, and that is exactly why conventional wisdom dictates slow, low-impact activity following a very strenuous and taxing high-impact athletic effort – in other words hand walking and NOT jogging under saddle.

    You are, however, correct that increased blood flow promotes healing. In cases of inflammation, that is usually accomplished by hand walking and by cold hosing and ice boots/packs/tape. If a horse will stand in those whirlpool boots filled with ice water, all the better. In cases of tying up or mild cramping, heat rather than cold is applied.

    People who have worked with horses for years and who’ve “been there, done that” CAN say that RunHappy should have be given bute despite not being around him, because, in fact, we DO know what we’re talking about. Sticking a couple of bute in the grinder and adding it to a horse’s grain is EXACTLY how horses with normal soreness after a hard work is treated 99% of them time, and we’ve probably all done it 100s of times with no adverse reactions.

    Based on what you’ve said here, it seems that YOU’RE the one who is talking about things about which you have no clue.

    • Garrigan

      Well, there ARE better ways to treat sore horses……

    • This is exactly why the medication problem will never be resolved in America – it’s too much of a grey area. In Britain if we gave a horse 2 bute it would be unwise to run and risk a test within, perhaps, 10 days …. oh, wait, that’s not going to be a problem!

  • Matthew Weaver

    Obviously the whole horse business is a tax deduction for Mcingvale. Him and his wife are both idiots that should have their owners licenses revoked. They treat these horses like they are lab rats . They are going to “show” everyone that they know what they are doing citing heart monitors and not allowing their horses what amounts to ibuprofen after a stressful race to help with the horses inflammation and discomfort. I have great respect for the horse and truly feel bad for him. I also will be betting HEAVILY against him in the Malibu.

    • ESBer880

      I’m not a phyciatrist, but I think there has been some refusal to take medication in this family.

      • ESBer880

        psychiatrist

        • ESBer880

          Obviously
          I need more medication

          • ESBer880

            And data

          • ESBer880

            Way more data

            And monkeys

            And parrots

          • gingerkid

            ROFL, ESBer880!

          • ESBer880

            Glad you aprecciated the humour
            I could not help but laugh at that group of morons

    • Jim

      They should be audited

  • Connie Hampton

    They both are full of it. It is a know fact Laura Wohlers is just about the most incompetent person in racing and always has been. So when she trained Runhappy he suffered a fracture, what do they want now, maybe he can totally break his leg off.

    • Lefty_Orioles_Fan

      The most incompetent person in racing….lmao!

  • lastromantribune

    “I’m like Donald Trump….yeah right …you might want to be…you might even think you are….but the reality is your a buffoon….and everyone who is not sucking up to you or feeding off the tit knows it…..the whole industry is LAUGHING.

  • Jim

    Thanks for giving us their perspective…especially on”buying into the team” did the Paulick Report get some advertising dollars from them? You don’t buy into their team…you are born into it or marry into it. What a joke of a team!!!

  • Tim Lambro Sr.

    Paulick Report appears to be the ‘dirt laundry’ receptacle for the McIngvale’s. What a complete crock of horse sh-t this story is. There are just so many holes in it. They’ve shut down there Facebook page. No wonder there isn’t a signed contract!! They (the McIngvale’s) can’t have one. It allows them to smear every horseman they come in contact with after their done with them. The highway is littered with trainers they can’t work with. Are we to believe Baffert and Frankel didn’t take care of their stock. Wake up people. The only one’s you will hear defend this circus act have a $$$ interest. They’re either paid, or are owed money by Gallery Racing. One thing is for certain Ms. Borell is better off distancing herself from this band of gypsy’s. By the way good luck with Wholers ………there is a reason she works at furniture store.

  • Monica Admire

    Everything I read about this situation and these owners just confirms to me that they are bat**** crazy.

  • omegaman457

    Would like to credit Ray Paulick. Linda McIngvale, Laura Wohlers sister, credits Wohlers for picking out Runhappy at the sales, later Paulick actually identifies the individuals who truly picked out Runhappy at the sales and gave them the credit due, Kerry Thomas and Pete Denk.

    • Wild Oats

      They obviously find it impossible to give credit to anyone besides themselves.

    • trooper seven

      Thank you. Not surprised she did. These people are unbelievable.

    • MLS

      Just another lie these people came up with…. They all live in a fantasy world.

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  • jponyplayer

    Can all of us please just step away from this awful storm. It`s old and ugly. What more is there left to talk about. It will play out the way it plays out, tbc
    Lastly, this my opinion as I posted 2 days ago. The only way the “Houston Honeys” and “Mack The Magnificent” can save face in my world, the industry/ media is to compensate the girl and they probably won`t. I`m sure it won`t do their furniture biz any good.
    “Maria,
    If you do get any $$ and the rumors are true, go back and clean it up, then step forward and you will emerge on the other side the winner you are” (BC, 2 G1s, a G2 etc)
    “The 2 million people worldwide who watched what you did are rooting for you. How`s that for good karma? Good luck!”

    • MLS

      It’s hardly old when new developments come out every day. He’s not going to clean anything up. This fruitcake has used 40 trainers in 15 years….

  • Roland B.

    Gee, Mack, same day delivery of furniture has been around forever in third world countries. The secret is cheap labor. They always have enough guys hanging around the store and literally follow you out the door (after paying) to deliver the furniture. Your “innovation” was probably all about finagling some third world rate for those delivery guys in Houston.

  • MLS

    My question is, if they want the horse to be drug free, do they even de-worm or vaccinate? All they need is a Coggin, I believe, to get on the track. Someone please correct me if I’m wrong….

  • Larry

    Was it just me or did anyone else notice how no one in the group really congratulated Maria after the win? Seems a little odd how you could win such an important race but not show your trainer any respect or admiration for what she had accomplished with the horse

  • Kingturf

    Just from memory I remember some of the so called trainers who could not train the correct way for Matress Mac included; HOF Bob Baffert, Nick Zito. Was not sure if Todd Pletcher or D. Wayne Lukas trained for him as well? No wonder it taken him 20 years and $40 million later to get his 1st grade one. The other trainers never won a grade one before…lol. Rich people and their problems…that’s okay I am comfortable being a middle class working stiff who bet the horses in my spare time.

    • trooper seven

      They prefer not to believe that she accomplished anything. Here’s a quote from MacMattress just before the Breeder’s , taken from the Sam Houston Race Track brochure…

      “Although quite of bit of the national media spotlight has been on trainer Maria Borell, McIngvale is quick to give credit to Laura Wohlers, his stable manager. The twin sister of his wife, Linda, Wohlers has been involved in selecting horses at yearling sales and overseeing their management for close to a decade.

      “Laura calls all the shots and deserves the credit for the success of this horse,” stated McIngvale.’

  • Gotchagold

    Wow, after reading this article my head is spinning! Sorry, I don’t know anything about Maria, but these “mattress people” sound like a bad tv comedy show . The sad thing is there are living, breathing animals in the middle of this circus and that isn’t funny. I really hope the situation with folks isn’t as bad as it sounds.

  • Ocalaresident

    The whole Mcmattress family makes me SICK! Good luck finding anyone other then fataxx Wohler to train for you. You get what you give in the racing bizz Mcassters!

  • tell it like it is

    McIngvale certainly proves that just because you’re successful in one industry (furniture), it doesn’t mean you will be successful in another industry (horse racing). Other than Runhappy, he has had 20 years of little to no success, despite spending tens of millions of dollars

  • Ray,

    I’m not getting through at all today – and I don’t think I’ve said anything to upset anyone! Really only registering that it’s nice to hear from Planet Earth through 7 cents.

  • Former WNYer

    Let’s see: He spent $40 million dollars and FINALLY lands a good horse. Odds are that would happen. I’ve been in the game a long time. Owners like this are bad no matter how they phrase it. They admitted to being micro-managers which never works. They sound like total flakes.
    And simmer down Mac- that horse isn’t worth anywhere near $50MM. Maybe $5M if you’re lucky.

    Prediction: That horse will be mismanaged into the ground going forward. The sister in law should stick to selling couches and pillows. It’s obvious she’s riding the coattails of her twin sisters husbands wealth.

    Runhappy is the loser in this side show!

    • D. Reardon

      Edgar Prado and RunHappy are the losers. RH will be shipped to California and Edgar likely won’t be going with him. EP is such a class act.

      • Roark

        EP will be there. So will the groom and exercise rider. The whole team actually, less one. Do your homework.

  • Former WNYer

    To the clown posse that owns Runhappy, please view some of the video and interviews of American Pharoah’s owner and trainer. They all gave accolades to the horse and the people that worked with AP. They showed true humility and sportsmanship, even after the loss in the Travers.

    Zayet ran that horse for the people when he didn’t need to. Please don’t upstage the greatest Breeders Cup Classic ever run thus far with this B.S.

    • Indeed a true hero, from what I can deduce from previous threads.

  • Tessboss

    If the sister is such a great trainer and knows it all about his horses then why isn’t she doing it for him? She works at the furniture store, she should be running the horse operation full time. Maybe she has a second job already, flipping burgers?

  • k:C¥

    This was such a wildly inappropriate thing for the whole RunHappy camp to do. People were claiming Mara had been childish in her comments and handling, but then they do this? Specifically saying she mistreats her horses, is a lair, and can’t train? This has turned into some petty playground gossip. Almost comical though.

  • DD

    Jane, thanks for posting this, I missed Steve’s shows this week, but his experience in the industry based on his constant interaction over the years makes me believe that these short few minutes in which he states some facts and personal opinions on this topic is probably the best representation of the true story here…

  • HorseCounty1

    I cannot wait for the full on expose about both parties and all the issues. The truth must come out!

  • clint p.

    I’ve seen people like this before in my time around the track. Trying stupid trainning techniques thinking they can improve a horses performance. A true horsemen will always shake thier head at people like this and most of all feel bad for the horse. If I had his fifty million I would get him out of his hands for the sake of the horse. What idiot’s.

  • meu

    What backbiting posts! I don’t like that the trainer was fired the day after such a wonderful win BUT bottom line the guy OWNS the horse…If in any of the my businesses someone refuses a direct order they are gone immediately — you are all forgetting that the owner is trying to do the right things with his horses such as monitoring the heart rate! any horseman (other than idiots at race tracks) knows you can understand more about what is going on inside a horse if you know it’s resting heart rate..lameness & illness can be spotted long before they become severe problems if you follow the heart rate. Time after time people grip about drugs in the sport but here is some not using drugs and would prefer a natural remedy to next day swelling by taking the horse out of its stall to walk/jog around the track a little — the owner obviously has enough $$ that he could have pastured the horse instead of taking him out on the track but maybe was afraid the horse would injure himself in new surrounding — who knows? but again the bottom line is this guy owns the horse and pays his bills — bad timing firing Borrell yep

    • trooper seven

      Sure the owner can do whatever he wants but let him take the responsibility when the horse breaks down. If he wanted an assistant trainer he should have hired Borrell as an assistant to his sister in law Laura and then Laura could take the responsibility for the horse’s health. As it was those two worms wanted all the reward and none of the responsibility while denying Borrell the financial reward standard for the industry and having her, as the trainer, bear total responsibility for his health. Everyone knows it. BTW, you’re the third person I’ve seen mention heart monitor–McIngvale, Jay J, and now you…must be one of the talking points.

  • Wiccan Wind

    Is this the Maria Borell fan page? Well all you people who have been busy trying to fit her for that glass slipper might want to wait till she gets her foot out of her mouth! But its still not going to fit! Why don’t you try it on the horse, where it belongs? Certainly the McIngvales are a self absorbed odd lot! I mean, seriously! You HAD a parrot and a monkey? Well look to your left and your right Mac, you still do!
    But their behavior hardly makes the lady a saint! There’s a reason they wound up together, and that’s because they were looking for a certain kind of trainer. One who wouldn’t win any races, would keep her mouth shut and do as told, was not well known, and had no connections, and questionable scruples. It helped that Borell was in dire straights and desperately in need of money. She was a pisspoor trainer at best, and you can bet Mac spent a pretty penny finding her! Her first success for McIngvale she did exactly what was asked of her, and they dumped the first of his cripples, and that $50,000 claiming tag sounds like a legitimate loss. He probably spent well over that when he bought her. And I doubt that final win came without drugs! Next cripple…
    But something happened. Runhappy

  • Wiccan Wind

    Yes, Run happy, one of 4 crippled horses to be dumped at the track in claiming races. But the horse, despite all odds; terrible owners, poor training, already damaged, refused to go down. And suddenly Borell imagined she was training! McIngvale believed he was training! And the monkey was back on board .
    Because there is no way any of those morons had a campaign planned that ended with this result. It was a fluke, the horse ran away out of the gates on his first start, and after a setback his second out, he hasn’t stopped running since. And all those clowns hanging off him have been scrambling to keep up ever since. With the first G1 win, Borell realized that contract that had seemed like a godsend now had serious flaws! At the time there was no way a percent of winnings was going to be an issue. She got a salary for dumping broke down horses that weren’t likely to be earning any big purses. But then things changed. Renegotiations weren’t going well either, and tension was mounting. But in October she must have felt like she was getting somewhere, because she stopped payment on her rent, and probably packed her bags for wherever shed been told they were going after the breeders cup. And boy, when he won that she just couldn’t believe what had become of her life! Did you see her when the trophy was presented? She could not take her eyes off the pretty precious! Oh, wants it, we do.
    Well if she’s surprised now that the game plan changed overnight, she shouldn’t be. I’m sure they promised her great things in October, but now its November. She was given an opportunity to be something better, but greed would not let her see the potential. I wish there was something that could be done for the horse, but there’s not. So I just hope he continues training himself and running happy to the end.

  • trooper seven

    It’s obvious that, as expected, the lawyers have taken over and the concerned parties have shut their mouths….although Mattress Mac gave Borrell’s lawyer one final opportunity to nail him with this interview.
    And on these posts, the final ones seem to be written by fantasists who have appeared out of the void, still dedicated to slamming Borrell even though they give a token nod at Mack.
    It’s all just opinion. And the majority of opinions agree. The millionaire mattress matt looked hard to find a trainer who was in financial trouble and desperate to get out. He made her the trainer of record so she would be responsible for any bad effects, and insisted that she follow orders from Laura Wohlers, a not so successful operator who trained part time taken off from her usual job as customer representative in the mattress stores…Mac’s sister in law. But Laura was successful as a trainer.
    It’s all in the hands’ of the lawyers, now.

  • D. Reardon

    Edgar Prado and RunHappy are the losers here. RH will likely go to California where some other jock will get the ride. EP is such a class act. I feel for him.

  • Kelso5timeHOTY

    “I’m like Donald Trump,” Jim McIngvale said. “You’ve got to make the hard decisions. “If people disagree with me, they can wire me $50 million and lead him out. It ain’t Laura’s fault. It’s me. She loves that animal, lives for that animal.”

    Take a flying leap McIngvale. You and your family are a joke. You have no respect from anyone in this industry, and aside from signing checks, you have no clue how this industry works.

  • Black Lion

    What’s the jurors gonna say when all of macs ex trainers take the stand and asked why the relationship didn’t work, ” he wanted me to breeze the horse a mile because the horse was gonna race a mile and I only wanted to breeze a half mile”. See they won’t think anything is wrong with during a trainer for that cause to them the trainer will seem like a nut. Only amongst race people died that make sense.

    • trooper seven

      Doubt this will go to trial. The lawyers are talking together…a settlemen, probably.

      • mike

        Logical people would settle their difference with money paid and a non disclosure of terms applicable to both parties. But are we dealing with logical people here, or something less?

      • Black Lion

        If you think Mack is gonna settle with someone who they have said lied about them and has taken to social media and acted th way she has acted then you must be drinking the Koop aid. Not to mention all of the videos showing how she treats her horses and the fact that if he pays her he might have others come after him also. I have rarely seen a lawyer that has a good case come out as her lawyer has with demands and the talk in the media with what witnesses he has and this that and the other. They have tried to scare him into negotiating and I’m making a bet she won’t get a dime. Just as Mack didn’t get her Getty didn’t get her and I bet he wishes he did at this point. This isn’t winnable in court and good lawyers know that and will not settle. I’m sure it’s personal with team runhappy as it should be and they won’t budge.

        • trooper seven

          You start with” If you think Mack is gonna settle with someone who they…”
          But what I think, or what you think, is meaningless right now. The fact is that his lawyer and her lawyer are engaged in talks and will probably emerge with a confidential settlement agreement.

          • mike

            That’s how it SHOULD end.

          • mike

            That’s how it SHOULD end.

  • Roark

    THAT is precisely why 30+ trainers were fired, and why Runhappy set a stakes record at SAR, overcame adversity in the Phoenix, set a track record in winning the BC Sprint, and will take the Eclipse. Now, who’s the dummy?

  • Mary Moore

    If Laura “loves “that animal”, lives for “that animal”,” then why did she abandon him when he got hurt after the Lecomte? His name isn’t “that animal”, it’s “Runhappy”. That just shows what they think of their horses. I am beginning to be concerned for their monkeys and parrots, as well.

  • Mary Moore

    And no, Mac, you are NOT like Mr. Trump. He is much more intelligent and sophisticated.

  • sandi

    They wanted a trainer where they could micromanage her?? Well if that is the case get up at 4 am in the morning and do the stalls train the horse and do all the work. These people that are so called micro managing this horse are totally clueless to racehorses by the sounds of things in the article. Poor horse…to be in these hands. I guess this business has all kinds of owners and crazy people in it. Nice horse, too bad he is being mismanaged now. You can’t deny that Maria did a great job with this horse. In this case it sounds like too many people who want to be managing this horse. Too many chiefs here…..

    • HorseCounty1

      Pay me 1000 a week, let me train two of my own, and cover all expenses and you can micromanage me all you want.

  • JLB

    When all is said and done, it’s still the poor horses who suffer amid this anarchy. :-(

  • Lonestar95

    Sound like a lot of know it all and jealous people to me. Bottom line is like him or not Macinvale is an extremely successful man and he is a self made man. He does not owe anyone anything or The Sport anything . He has put a lot of money into it and when you are the one paying the bills you get to call the shots , right or wrong you earn that. All the people that are siding with Borrel ought to walk down her shedrow and see how her training operation is run before judging she is right . Macinvale is a class act and always has been . About time and owner starts acting like one and I applaud him for not running his horses in Lasix and othe meds

  • flounderazz

    I think there was a conflict in the Mcinvales explanation. They said no outsiders but she could have 3 free stalls to make money?

  • artistinwax

    I was outspoken in my inexperience as to what happens with owners and trainers. I reacted to what seemed to be the problem and it turns out, not what was really the problem. Excuse please. I really like the training without drugs. I saw the video of Run Happy in his pasture “talking” to someone at his fence. He was truly drug free. You could tell. He was all animated and spirited and showing how good he felt. It was the way a horse should look and act without drugs and I wish all could have that feeling. So they might not go as fast. So they might have to really compete muscle vs. muscle, brain and guts vs., brain and guts. To see them so joyful is I think something that could bring more people to the track. They are more charming. More engaging when they are not drugged. Just another inexperienced opinion on my part. Excuse me again!

  • Jason Gilbert

    RunHappy was my favorite horse ever to watch. I just loved that horse. When big money is involved most of the time problems occur. Maria was undefeated while with that horse. After the grade 1 win and Maria left the horse went down hill. Because they kept trying to run happy in a mile race he’s a sprinter he set a track record sprinting. Leave him doing what he’s best at. They reunited that horse after the grade 1 win . I’m glad Happy is living the good life now he deserves it. I’ll never forget you Runhappy

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