Report: Stellar Wind Still In Training, Eyes Possible Pegasus World Cup Start

by | 12.04.2017 | 8:46am
Stellar Wind schooling at Del Mar prior to the 2017 Breeders' Cup

After finishing off-the-board in the G1 Breeders' Cup Distaff Nov. 3, champion Stellar Wind was consigned to the Keeneland November Sale, where she was purchased for $6 million by M.V. Magnier for the Coolmore group. Most racing fans figured that the daughter of Curlin was officially retired, since plans were for her to be bred in the spring.

However, talk of Stellar Wind's retirement maybe a bit premature.

According to a report in the BloodHorse, the 5-year-old mare is currently with trainer Chad Brown at Palm Meadows Training Center, and she has a new goal for the upcoming new year – the G1 Pegasus World Cup Invitational.

The BloodHorse reports that on Sunday, Stellar Wind breezed a half-mile in :50.

“She is in training with Chad Brown and is under consideration for the Pegasus. The plan is still for her to be bred in the spring,” Coolmore representative Scott Calder told the BloodHorse.

Read more in the BloodHorse

  • Jerry

    THIS IS RIDICULOUS……………………………………….

    SHE WILL NEVER RUN IN THE PEGASUS!!!!!!! COOLMORE IS PROBABLY TRYING TO MAKE PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT THEY DON’T NEED A HORSE FOR THEIR ENTRY BECAUSE THEY ARE TRYING TO DUMP IT WITHOUT TAKING A HUGE LOSS!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • MaiyaDay

      Has Coolmore officially bought a stall? I don’t know who has officially already ponied up the $1 million to run.

      • Beau Geste

        If they are trying to develop long term interest in this race, the Pegasus crowd is doing a particularly poor job in creating any buzz. It’s hard to understand why there are no daily or even weekly updates regarding the field.

        • MaiyaDay

          They did a much better job last year – the fact that we don’t know who all has bought stalls at this point indicates to me that very few have been sold. If it was good news, we would have heard about it.

  • davecydell

    Great news is always fantastic, and this is great news.

  • Minneola

    I might be more concerned about this news if it was some other trainer being involved. However, Chad Brown has my confidence since he, rarely, does stupid things in horse racing. What the heck?! If Stellar Wind is physically okay to race, why not give this her last shot at racing before starting her breeding career? She is far better than about 99% of other horses that may be entered.

    • Neigh Sayer

      Explain how she is better than 99% of other horses that might be entered. She ran last to Forever Unbridled, the only other filly being considered. And now she would have to beat Gun Runner, Collected, West Coast, Neolithic, Sharp Azteca, and the list goes on. 99% better than all those eh?

      • gus stewart

        correct, its a horse race, but she has 1 percent chance of hitting the board. these owners need to head to the breeding shed and hopefully get there money back they paid for her, that is the right thing to do.

        • Neigh Sayer

          I agree, believe me I get it, I don’t see a problem with training her for this race and see if she gets there, and that 1% chance at the board is about right. Even if they lose money they can pad her earnings by about 650k.
          I am still interesting in hearing from the poster for the reasoning that she is 99% better than anyone running in this race.

          • Whynotwest

            I agree with the fact that this is a questionable move. A hail mary at best. I will say, if any trainer can get a horse to improve even the slightest it’s Chad Brown; regardless of the barn they are coming out of.

  • Judoon

    I hope she trains great and is ready to run. At her best, I think she could beat any of the other potential runners. It would be nice to see her end her career with a strong race.

  • ctgreyhound

    The most positive remark I can say is that two mares may be expected to be in the Pegasus starting gate. We want to encourage that, however they will be challenged like never before by the competition.

  • Lehane

    Adore Stellar Wind – have been following her from the start. If she is being prepped for the Pegasus, I’d like to see Chad Brown and Coolmore employ a rider that has horsemanship when it comes to the use of the whip. She’s a very very good racehorse and should be freed up from being flogged so she can concentrate on the task asked of her.

    • Neigh Sayer

      Well Espinoza is liberal with the whip (32 times on Pharoah in the Derby) but he has also been her rider for years and on her in all those wins, so you can’t blame her loss in the BC on the use of the whip. If she does go in this race I would expect a rider change and that’s not a bad idea.

      • Lehane

        He’s more than liberal with the whip, he’s excessively abusive with the whip. Remember he broke her skin as a result of his whip use on her a few years ago?
        Where did I blame her loss in the BC on the use of the whip?
        Espinoza is a whip rider, he has no horsemanship. The force he puts into his strikes are ugly and one only has to look at pics of him on Pharaoh in the KD to see the force he used, arm above shoulder height, consecutive hits not giving AP the chance to respond and Espinoza almost out of the saddle (unbalancing the horse) in his efforts to strike as hard as he could.

        • Neigh Sayer

          I think I was clear in agreeing with you about his whip use, so no need to carry on about that or try to persuade me, I agreed.
          I must have misinterpreted your statement of Stellar Wind “should be freed up from being flogged so she can concentrate on the task asked of her” which I thought meant she would have run better. Wind has always needed strong encouragement but Victor is over the top on that encouragement.

          • Lehane

            You seem to have misunderstood. I based my comment on “if” Stellar is being prepped for the Pegasus. I believe that this mare would’ve won all those races that she did no matter who was riding her. My bone of contention is that overuse of the whip on her is unnecessary and wrong. A horse has difficulty running straight and maintaining centred balance when being flogged with a whip. Recently in Australia, a 3 year old colt bred in the purple and valuable was having his third start, he was the hot favourite. He was beaten by a nose. Stewards questioned the jockey as to why he only whipped the horse once for the whole of the race. Jockey responded that the colt responded best to hands ‘n’ heels riding and it would’ve been detrimental to the horse to use more whip as it was more important to keep him balanced and going straight. The stewards accepted his explanation. If links were permitted I’d put it up but I can provide enough details for anyone to easily check it out if requested.

          • Billy

            Just post the link im sure ray will allow it

          • Lehane

            Thanks, will give it a go.

          • Neigh Sayer

            You do realize that I didn’t disagree with you about overzealous whip use.

          • Lehane

            http://www.racingaustralia.horse/PostStewardsReports/02112017GOSF.pdf

            On first page go to race 1 – the horse is Highly Influential.

            I respect the Paulick Report’s policy of not posting links, however, the reason i request an exception here is to validate my comment. Racing NSW stewards’ reports are public documents for any person to read.

          • Billy

            Good read…..does every horse undergo a post race veterinary exam in australia?

          • Lehane

            No, but when they come back into the enclosure post race, the vet on duty is on the lookout for obvious abnormalities. He doesn’t see all of course but sometimes an honest trainer will report back that his horse suffered an injury e.g. eye injury, shin shore. Often on returning to scale some jockeys will report to the stewards that their horse made an abnormal respiratory noise and then the stewards interview the trainer and order a thorough vetting along with an endoscopy. Pulled up with a poor recovery rate is very common, cardiac arrhythmia, thumps, etc. If a favourite performs poorly, he’s usually vetted. Out the back if a trainer is concerned about his horse he calls for the vet to come and check him out both pre and post race. On the other hand, i’ve seen horses removed from the track expeditiously with injuries that haven’t been noticed e.g. bleeding from the nostrils. From my observations for many years, on the whole the vetting is okay.

          • Billy

            Thanks lehane….always enjoy learning how other places handle things

          • gus stewart

            look the fact that we have all been fans for along time, and yes when you are betting your money in the past we didn’t care how a horse won as long as it won. So as things in the world change views, diet, technology, we can sadly say not in horse racing with the good old boys. if the pools were bigger take out was less, purses increased, bigger fields with better value in opportunity as gamblers, or owner or trainers whatever. I would say no one is really paying attention to whips or meds. But obviously not the case. Over last 25 years!!! Its embarrassing to be a horse player today because of the baffoons running it. I wrote ray, espn the other night, televised bean bag throwing contest from college’s was being televised. So no media coverage, or marketing in place, because the sport has such a bag rap for policing itself. yes bowling and bean bag contest get covered more than racing, go figure!!!

        • Harry Plummer

          Totally agree Lehane. I am fed up with jockeys whipping the heck out of their horse while still in the final turn and up to the finish line despite the fact the horse is exhausted.

          • Lehane

            So agree with you. i’ve seen far too many horses ruined by the whip. One i’ll never forget was being flogged excessively by the leading jockey at the time and trained by Chris Waller (Winx) – was a very good racehorse but ran out of gas, i watched him as his legs were going to jelly, lost his rhythm, badly unbalanced and i thought he was going to drop any minute. Jockey kept on whipping him (consecutive hits not giving the horse a chance to respond) and then horse crashed into the rail, suffered a severe open cut wound and had to be euthanased. And they implied that it was an accident.

          • Rob B

            The whip police are in the building. You can’t tap a horse on his rear to let him know it’s game time prerace, crack a horse on the shoulder coming out of the gate to get him involved early in race or hit him more than 5 or 6 times down the stretch because it’s mean, it scares and hurts the horse. Maybe HR isnt for you.

          • Billy

            Yesterday…..southern shiner zia park race 4 watch it…..then lets talk…..

          • Rob B

            U think I’m taking 2 min out of my day to watch a race from zia for the whip police and your nuts.

          • Billy

            Fair enough…..im just trying to gather your point from your previous comment rob……i do find it rather laughable youll claim horses from the penn but wont watch a race from zia places are kinda one in the same figured ive earned your respect enough for you to give me the time of day silly me….be well

          • Rob B

            Good point with the Penn claiming thing. I’ll never do it again I’ll tell u that. Twice was enough.

  • Scot Morley

    Horrible idea, she has lost interest. Now you want to go even further up in class.
    Please retire her!

  • Ida Lee

    Are you out of your #$%%^^&^ minds?????? Did you not see Stellar’s last race????? She’s not interested anymore…and yet you think that the Pegasus, THE PEGASUS, is a good idea???? I ask again….Are you out of your ##$%^^^& minds??? BTW….thanks for the above photo…what a doll !!!!!

    • gus stewart

      Lol ida i really wanted to respond the way u did except using other words. You were clever enough to say those words in a much more reader freindly way. She was a grinder dertmination and wanting to win were her best asset. Without saying what else she may of had wore off. I dint know but she has no reason to go in that race. She as you said isnt comprtetive off that last race

      • Ida Lee

        It’s obvious to anyone who saw the Distaff ….Stellar has always been a street fighter …. now she’s ready for something else ….what else does she have to do to? No Mas is No Mas …..

        • Beau Geste

          The fact that a multitude of favorites ran poorly in the Breeders Cup is the only reason I can find for this plan. I so dislike the track at Del Mar that it seems possible it had something to do with the uncharacteristic performances of some genuinely good horses. It will be interesting to see if she shows a renewed interest in running when entered at Gulfstream.

          • Ida Lee

            I can see your point Beau and it’s a good point but Stellar is 5 years old…if she were a he, I would say go for it…but mares are a little different…they reach baby-making age and they tend to lose interest in everything else….not all are the same but many are and I think Stellar is one of those….she’s had a tough racing career….now she’s ready to nest ….

          • Beau Geste

            The Breeders Cup performance would be so disappointing to me if I was Stellar Winds owner that I could imagine myself looking for one more start. Especially (and I don’t know this to be the case) if she is training with enthusiasm.

          • Ida Lee

            I want her to be safe and happy….let’s see what happens ….

          • Beau Geste

            When it comes down to that, safe and happy is all that matters.

    • Rob B

      I know because we never see a horse bounce back from a poor performance. Stop basing everything you say on what u saw last. It’s lazy to be honest.

      • Ida Lee

        Do research before you comment….or the very least, read the rest of the comments on this blog….both pro and con….then maybe you’ll get an idea of what’s going on here ….

        • Beau Geste

          Okay, note to self; Never offend Ida Lee. I have always tried to be respectful in my comments to her, now I have another reason; fear.

          • Ida Lee

            LOL…yeah, I can be vicious….

        • Rob B

          I don’t care about the rest of the comments I was referring to your foolish one. I think Chad Brown has a little more information to base his opinion on than you do. Did she run terrible? Absolutely. Will she win Pegasus? Probably not. But to tell people to get the head out of the rear like it’s a definite because she ran 1 bad race that she has no shot is ridiculous. With all due respect to Ida Lee I’ll go with the opinion of the trainer.

          • Ida Lee

            It’s an opinion blog Rob…..I gave my opinion….was I a little rough?? maybe, but Stellar is special to me and I want only what’s best for her…I have all the confident in Chad Brown….he’s a wonderful trainer and I trust him …. if he thinks it’s OK for Stellar to go to the Pegasus, well go ahead….as long as she’s in tip top shape and can make a good showing…we won’t know that for a while though ….

          • Rob B

            And I gave mine, have a nice night.

  • Steve

    I hope she doesn’t run. She will lose by double digits

  • Michael Castellano

    Probably a publicity move in advance of breeding her. No chance she will actually run.

  • Chrissy Gentry

    Love this girl. I wonder if it is the distance as she is a fighter and has pulled off a great number of wins, but nearly all her losses, as minimal as they have been, have been at the 1 1/8 distance. I’m with Ida on this one, she didn’t seem interested anymore. Maybe she just wasn’t into it that day (can be challenging to say in just one race). If she shows signs that she isn’t interested while training, it would be awful to force the issue.

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