Update: California Chrome Shows Fluid In Right Knee After Pegasus World Cup

by | 01.29.2017 | 9:40am
California Chrome arrives at Gulfstream Park

Trainer Art Sherman told drf.com that two-time Horse of the Year California Chrome was a bit sore when cooling out Saturday evening, after the 6-year-old was beaten 29 1/2 lengths by Arrogate to finish ninth in the $12 million Pegasus World Cup. Upon further investigation, Sherman determined that the cause was likely a bit of fluid accumulation on California Chrome's right knee.

“It might be a chip, which we could take out arthroscopically,” Sherman told Jay Privman. “I knew something was wrong at the half. He just didn't fire.”

If California Chrome remains in stable condition overnight, he will board a plane to Lexington Sunday morning. Sherman said that he will then be examined by Dr. Larry Bramlage before beginning his stallion career at Taylor Made Farm.

Sherman assured fans that California Chrome was not “dead lame,” just noticeably off in the right front.

As of Sunday morning, California Chrome appeared sound at the walk, but a bit off at the jog, Frank Taylor reported to drf.com.

“He's not that bad,” said Taylor. “If he's sound to walk, he's sound to breed mares.”

California Chrome will be x-rayed upon arrival at Taylor Made Farm, and is scheduled to begin breeding test mares as soon as Wednesday.

  • J

    MR SHERMAN IS A CLASS ACT.
    CC WAS A TRUE CHAMPION.

    • ForLoveOfTheGame

      I couldn’t agree more!

    • Mr J

      He’s a cocky old buck who’s eating a heaping helping of crow. CC is fine. Artie burned him out.

      • billy

        Ludicrous…..

      • Jeff

        Couldn’t be more wrong!

      • Judy Gaddis

        If there is anything that Art Sherman ISN’T it would be cocky! There. Did you get the “rise” out of us that you wanted?

        • Maurice B. Quirin

          Absolutely agree and the folks at Taylor Made are tops, as well!

          • Judy Gaddis

            Thanks for concurring, Mo. That Mr. J is such a troll and just trying to stir up trouble here.

          • Mr J

            Shutup Chromie. Accept your defeat

      • RockStar

        Here yee!! Here yee!!

      • Daniel Jividen

        Don’t know about burn out; but, in hindsight, that little stakes race specifically written for California Chrome might not have been the best way to go. California Chrome works so well, and seems to get a lot out of his works, that Art Sherman may be regretting he didn’t just work his horse up to the Pegasus.

        • Virginia Lawler

          I could be way behind re thinking about the Winter Challenge, so please excuse me if so. But, at the time, the race sure seemed like a blessing. It was definitely the right timing for a little blow-out that was thought to be needed. He got the extra treat of soaking up the immense cheers of his home track supporters, which we know he truly loved. He raced out in the middle of the track to avoid any surprising trouble. He ended the race basically in a canter, and, even with that and his extra strides, he set a modest track record…effortlessly. Many think a race is superior to a needed workout because of extra pluses, strangers at the gate, practice with the break, crowd noise. Etc. Then he still got in the two routine, needed and fine prep works before the Pegasus. He always looked and acted like he truly loves to run. I will always think that whatever happened took place or turned up within just a day or two of the match.

    • McGov

      His owner was anything but a class act….perhaps CC had trouble carrying that KIND of weight after such a campaign…if you know what I mean ;). CC is certainly a champion we all will be talking about for many years to come.

      • Judy Gaddis

        We were TALKING about his TRAINER — NOT his owner!

        • McGov

          Indeed you were…..I was just pointing out that this horse has more than his trainer involved….and perhaps that even the outstanding “good” of every other stake holder was simply not enough yesterday to overcome a certain owners “bad weight”. I’m not serious, of course. :)

          • trooper seven

            Actually you are serious or you wouldn’t feel it important to yammer on about his connections.

          • Tyrone Floyd

            Humans finding a reason to bad mouth a hurting animal says something about the humans.

          • McGov

            Wow. Wink in first post wasn’t enough I guess.
            I respect what this horse accomplished DESPITE his connections and the international fiasco he had to overcome. Art Sherman did a wonderful job at conditioning and managing this horse. Class act at all times? Not sure about that one….I remember some shots when this horse was in Europe…and out of their hands… from these connections that I wouldn’t put in that category. Art Sherman is responsible for media communications from his training team.
            There….that’s what I REALLY think. This horse has more class than ALL OF THEM COMBINED.
            Since we’re on this path……IMO…CC would have boxed Arrogate on rail and had a huge advantage in the stretch if he was 100%……you could tell the moment Smith was trying to measure if he could go outside and CC was asked to respond and couldn’t…. that the race was over.
            And those who noticed the physical aspects of CC prior to the race as unusual are 100% correct in my opinion when they interpret this as the horse himself knowing that something isn’t quite right and he is nervous about it.
            Are we done? ;)

          • trooper seven

            We have a few disagreements left but your second post was more clear. Agree with you on your take on the race itself. As for what people said about noticing the physical condition, well, yes and no. Second guessing is always easy. I noticed the kicking in the post parade and put it down to high spirits, eagerness. My mistake, but I’m not about to say I could tell from post and gate that his behavior told me he’d go lame. We on the other side of t he TV screen aren’t that good.

          • McGov

            I was just kidding about how unfortunate it is that this incredible horse has to also carry the weight of that owners karma. If there is such a thing as karma. Ya know? Some people make jokes about a horse being unable to carry the bad karma of a person that bets on him etc…..that kind of thing. Sometimes in the world of words only…the true context is lost. No worries :) Certainly not kidding about this horse’s injury….

          • trooper seven

            I’ve previously said that people talking about other people’s karma are trying to hide their own schadenfreude. On this board I’ve usually meant it. Of course if we talk about our own Karma that’s a different matter. I am very willing to take up for the Martins any time. I think he’s socially awkward, phrases things awkwardly, and that second speech was a disaster.

            On the other hand, I came from the Facebook pages and saw what unfolded at the beginning. Martin has always taken excellent care of his horses yet I saw posts over there accusing him of spiriting CC off to England so the horse could be secretly kneecapped for the insurance. That’s just one sample. There was a facebook page for Chrome and DAP. Perfectly good ones. But the Coburns (Mrs and her children, grandchildren, stepchildren, in laws) started up their own page and allowed some of the most divisive, insulting, angry posts I’ve ever seen to stand…all insulting and slandering the Martins. Why would someone start up something like that and foment (I’m not kidding) a rivalry between the official partners page and their own? I could go on and on about what I saw over in the wilds of Facebook, but I’ll just finish by saying there’s probably a good legal reason the Coburns haven’t opened their mouths about Chrome on the FB forum since they sold out.

            There are far too many anonymous people vilifying Perry Martin on these pages. I don’t mind taking a few bruises from them people to stand up for him now and then.

          • McGov

            Ok…this is MY bad. I own it….I shouldn’t have brought Martin in to discussion.
            I don’t know the man. I recommend he hires someone to do his communicating for him…..CC can pay for it ;).
            He could be the most awesome guy in the world and few would know that because of his communications. However, he is a big boy and CHOSE to prioritise his messages in the way he did.
            And with that, I apologise for bringing him up.

          • trooper seven

            Good for you, and I’m being sincere. Honest apologies are rare on these boards. And I think you’ve made a good recommendation vis a vis Martin. His daughter made a very gracious speech in England when Arrogate received the Longines Award.

          • Mr J

            Why submit. (S)he is an obvious CC groupie

          • Carla Parrillo

            I missed the post parade and
            gate reaction from Chrome.
            If he had fluid accumulating there is alot,of unusual discomfort to that area. Swelling won’t show right away but pain will build from a 1 t0 10 . of course he could not tell us. But wasn’t his behavior enough to get a vet to The gate?
            just viewed a short clip of the race. Chrome was,holding his own until that last turn.
            So, yes Arrogate did win, Congratulaion to him and his team; BUT under the circumstances is it because he is the better horse or was he the better horse only yesterday. Reverse what happened and the tables would turn.
            Chrome in my book is the better horse on all counts.
            Yesterday was not a challange for Arrogate.
            Also Hats off and applause for Victor to recognize his horse was in trouble and would his health and we’ll being. Great move on his part.

          • Carla Parrillo

            Victor would not compromise Chrome’s health and well-being.

          • AndreB

            Carla: And what were “the circumstances” at the 2016 BC Classic? Apparently you’ve overlooked or chosen to block out Arrogate’s BC performance. You know, it IS possible to respect ALL great horses, win or lose. Just keepin’ it real.

          • trooper seven

            If you were just keeping it real you would recognize Carla’s post and opinions were restricted to the Pegasus.

          • Carla Parrillo

            I am responding late. New phone has trouble with settings.
            Not to be misunderstood, I’m really happy for Arrogate’s success in both the BC and the Pegasus. He was up the task on both day and earned the right to be the winner.
            I have been drawn to the Grays when I see them. They usually stand out and healthy strong horses.
            I fell in love with Chrome during his Kentuky Dertby days and cont’d to follow

          • Rykos Othos

            nothing is 100%. One time I saw an old horse in the walking ring dragging his feet and his eyes were closed. I said to myself “not today”. However went back to watch parade and he was still sleepy but after parade his eyes opened up and he warmed up great and missed by a nose. Sometimes it is the other way. Horse looks a million in the parade but then stubs it’s toes coming out of the gate.

          • trooper seven

            Yes that’s right. I’ve seen horses so lathered up we’d think they were ready for a tranquilizer, then they’d win easily.

          • Mr. Blues

            I was at the gate where all the horse’s came off the track to go to the post parade and Chrome was walking past me and looked fine.As Chrome was doing the parade I moved up to where all the horse’s would be loaded in the gates .I was right on the rail .As the horse’s loaded up Chrome did indeed act up.He turned away firmly and I thought to myself that ,that was really odd because Chromee has never done this before and that was very concerning to me.If I have little to no knowledge of this kind of acting up and could see somethings not right why didn’t anyone on the field see this and at least be concerned.i should point out that while he streched out while getting ready to go to the gate he showed no sign of any problems .when he turned away at the gate though i must say I never saw him do that before.I thank God he wasn’t critically hurt and that victor was riding him and had the professional knowledge to know something wasn’t right and pulled him up.As much ripping I have done to Victor for his last ride ,this ride showed me just how great a jockey Victor is !!! Thank you Victor for taking care of the horse so many of us LOVE..God bless victor The Champ California Chrome and please Taylor made Chromie is now in your hands please keep him healthy and happy .

          • trooper seven

            Any good jockey will pull up or get off a horse he feels is injured or not right in some way, no matter who the horse is , even if it is a 2000 claiming race. Longacres habitues of yesteryear (30 years ago) my recall a horse named Sonny’s Flash, always a lot of speed initially, then fading in the stretch. Can’t remember who the jockey was, but still remember him jumping off near the end of the race and leading Sonny’s Flash off. I believe I never again saw Sonny’s Flash. :-(

          • Daniel Jividen

            I expect all racing fans are going to miss California Chrome; but it’s hard to imagine anyone missing Steve Colburn and Perry Martin.

          • Rykos Othos

            I am glad it was on TV because he didn’t look right in the paddock or the parade compared to Arrogate. I love Chrome and have bet him in most of his races but it wasn’t just the post position that did him in. It wasn’t his day and those who watched him after his workouts knew that too. Doesn’t mean he couldn’t win but it didn’t help.

          • longtimehorsewoman

            I think his reluctance to approach the gate was a sign. I have never noticed that before. I have started to notice this and I don’t believe it’s a coincidence. the favorite for the Grand National dumped his rider before getting in the gate and headed back to the stable area. They caught him and he went in the gate – he was injured in the race and had to be euthanized. Barbara broke out of the gate prematurely, he ended up breaking his leg. You all will probably call me crazy, but I do think horses often know what’s going to happen.

          • Lehane

            You are not crazy, longtimehorsewoman, you are spot on.

          • McGov

            It’s not crazy. Horses get nervous for a variety of reasons and one of them certainly is if they feel they will get injured. When they get nervous they are capable of doing a number of things that are erratic. Horses are aware that they will be running at full speed in a race and they also know ( if it has happened before) that running at full speed can cause pain. If they have a little pain…they may worry it will become worse or become more serious and then act up in a defiant nature…..to avoid the anticipated pain increase from the demand of the race and possible injury.
            In some cases, it’s the horses way of telling us something is wrong. But there are many potential reasons why horses get nervous.

          • Lehane

            In Chrome’s case it was fear and that was confirmed when he raced as he did and he pulled up with his injury.

          • McGov

            You are probably right. One could argue that Victor saved this horse by not asking him further in the stretch.

          • Lehane

            Victor would’ve known that if he had’ve continued with the pressure ‘the whip’ when the horse was in dire straits there was a high risk of Chrome breaking down and he wouldn’t have wanted that to his name. Any other rider would’ve done the same.

          • longtimehorsewoman

            Horses do get nervous for a variety of reasons. It was an emotionally packed day (several days probably). Art was losing a horse he clearly loves, Victor was riding a great horse for the last time – so Chrome’s “people” were not normal to him. I’m sure he sensed that and when people have strong emotions horses react. He could well not have felt well and already was having pain in that knee. Horses try very hard to hide pain, I didn’t get to see anything before the horses went out onto the track, as NBC was showing basketball. I was concerned when he didn’t want to load – that is communication from the horse. I was shocked to then see Victor hit him with the crop. But he is a good horse, and so he loaded. I knew after the first turn that he wasn’t running normally, and I was disappointed to see Victor hit him, Fortunately, though late, Victor realized something was wrong. The problem is that people do not think horses are highly intelligent. They will give dogs credit for amazing feats, but give horses credit only half-heartedly putting things down to “coincidence? Horses know a lot more than most imagine. I rented a lovely house in WA state and had my bedroom on the second story with a great view of the field. When I would wake up, I only had to get up on one elbow to see the horses – they would be out back grazing. But as soon as I looked out the window – not even getting out of bed – they would look up at my window, turn, and come to the front where I would feed hay. From over 100 yards, with windows closed, they knew I was awake, and they knew where I was. On BC day, I apparently passed out – deduced from the fact that I hadn’t set the DVR to record the races. I rent an apt on horse property, which includes one of the pastures for my horses. No one was home the entire weekend. The landlady came home on Monday. As soon as she was home, my 10 horses escaped the pasture -by tearing down the electric fence. They proceeded to run around and act crazy until Rita came out to tell me they were going crazy. (There were over 30 acres of grazing area available to them, plus my truck bed full of hay.) When i didn’t answer her knock, Rita came in and found me on the floor. In the end I was airlifted to the hospital with a body temperature of 86 degrees, and a blood sugar of over 1500. The doctors told Rita (after she arrived at the hospital) that they had never seen anyone survive that state. So my horses literally saved my life, working to get a human’s attention. If they horses had not done that, I wouldn’t have been found for quite a while. Horses really are highly intelligent and people would understand what they’re trying to communicate if they believe that.

          • Mr. Blues

            Get well longtimehorsewomen

          • longtimehorsewoman

            Thanks, back to normal now. Had no idea I had a diabetic issue – was a total shock.

          • Mr. Blues

            Sadly thats how most people find out

          • McGov

            That’s a remarkable story. I’m glad you are alive to tell it :) Personally, I believe that horses are quite mysterious. I believe because they have been here for 55 million years….so much longer than we have….that they are likely in tune with a ‘force’ if you will that we don’t quite understand. I find the presence of horses to be a spiritual experience at times….and I do not believe in organised religion. I have witnessed many, many times the healing power of horses on people with mental disorders. The presence of horses therapeutic for the troubled.
            Whatever it is, I don’t understand it, but I believe you are right that there is something very different about horses.

          • longtimehorsewoman

            I totally agree with you. There is something very special about horses. I believe we become better people by trying to have a real relationship with them. And I think spiritual is a good word. Dogs are wonderful and give us unconditional love – even to people who are mean to them Horses are very subtle and require us to observe much more. And they are healing. As is shown in the many therapeutic programs out there.

            Not that I’m Muslim, was raised a Catholic but gave up religion a long time ago, but I do agree with the Koran when it says that horses are a gift from God.

          • Lehane

            Amazing story and glad you’re okay. Couldn’t agree with you more, horses are highly intelligent and rarely are they given credit for that.

          • moonrise

            I absolutely agree with you. Horses often know if something is ahead on the path, something is happening in the distance. We don’t discount it when they startle and stare when we’re riding them, why would we discount when they shy from the gate when they don’t normally do that or refuse to run or something. They know.

          • Margon49

            I agree 100%. My horses always tell me if something is not quite right, and they will tell me in more ways than one if I don’t realize it at first.

          • AndreB

            Projecting a bit, longtimehorsewoman? (Happy to hear you’re doing well now, by the way) Horses are intelligent, though in very different ways than human beings. In saying that “horses often KNOW what’s going to happen”, you’ve lept from the corral a bit, oui? Horses are clairvoyant? The reality is that ANY horse on earth doesn’t want to run if it’s in pain. As CC approached the gate, he knew he didn’t feel like running – but he did not know what would happen if he did. Just keepin’ it real.

          • longtimehorsewoman

            Not at all. Here is a true story from one of my clients who has a grey parrot, among others. The couple came home one day and saw immediately their house had been broken into, but nothing appeared to be missing. The parrot, a female named Cooey, started “telling the story”. She made the sound of a trash truck backing up. She repeated a negative expletive that the potential robbers called the (little) dog. She then made the sound of the telephone ringing, then pretended to answer it and said “help me, help me!” The robbers left immediately. My friends told this story to the police, who were, like you, skeptical that animals have intelligence like ours. However, they did tell my friends that they caught the burglars and they were, indeed, using a trash truck for their robberies. I have heard this parrot many times and her voice is very clear, and she has a large vocabulary, always used correctly. She will often ask her favorite (the husband) for attention, but sometimes he’s busy and can’t do it right then. She calls him Daddy. It is not unusual for her to say “F#$! Daddy” when she gets pissed off. However, I am not alone. Studies have shown that horses can recognize positive and negative human emotions from photos. Just imagine that. Horses can actually SEE a photo. Google horse intelligence or horse telepathy, and see for yourself. My very first experience of horse understanding occurred when I was in high school (I will be 66 this year). A horse I had been riding for 2 years suddenly stopped one day when I was riding double with my friend Carol. I urged him on, but he stood like a rock. I asked Carol to get down and get me a little stick off a tree. I tapped him with the stick. BTW this was a 7-year-old ex-racehorse, used for breeding, a son of Summer Tan. Anyway he still refused to move after a light tap with the stick.. I felt he was afraid of something, maybe a dead animal in the woods. So I got off and led him past the spot where he stopped. He led perfectly. However, when I tried to get back on (he was 16:2) he would stand until my foot was lifted toward the stirrup and then move one step to the side. After the third try I gave up – it was clear he was deliberately not letting me on. We led him back to the barn, and when I went to undo the girth I found it was broken and hanging by only a few elastic bands. This horse did other amazing things, which I won’t repeat, but he very clearly understood that the saddle had become unsafe. That was the very first and very last time he ever did anything but stand perfectly still for mounting. He always stood like a statue,

          • Lehane

            Yes, he would’ve felt that the girth wasn’t feeling right. If i can share one of my experiences of a horse sensing all is not right with the gear. I bought an OTTB my daughter rode him and it went very well. When i got on he became agitated, i thought he just doesn’t want me on his back, my daughter and i were non-plussed and couldn’t work it out, i persisted with him and came flying off. Couldn’t move, ambulance took me to hospital. X-rays found i’d broken my back in three places, doctors discuss surgery with my family, my medical sister insists on a second opinion from the spinal unit at a top hospital. Fortunately there was a spinal specialist out from London, he looked at the pics and said no way, there’s far too many broken pieces of bone sitting on the spinal cord which could be damaged if surgery was undertaken. He said that it was best to see what nature did and expected that a gel would grow around the pieces of bone to protect the spinal cord – and he was spot on. Many weeks of laying on my back and a long time in hospital. A friend checked out the girth before he took it off the horse and found that i had neglected to adjust it after being ridden by my daughter who is different in stature to me. As i’m much lighter in weight than my daughter, it was generally accepted that the horse felt uncomfortable when i got on because the girth wasn’t right and most likely why he was agitated. The girths on racehorses are extremely tight and many resent it when being saddled up to race.

          • longtimehorsewoman

            Wow, quite a story. This is why I have no problem getting off a horse when it’s agitated or extra nervous. I want to live, and an agitated horse is not a thinking horse. Personally I have never seen a horse so picky about the girth. Racing girths are light, as they are only made out of elastic, that’s true, but the girths on exercise saddles are not that different (if at all) from regular English elastic end girths. And yes, it is true, a lot of ex-racehorses will try to bite when being girthed up, or at least threaten to bite. I put that down to grooms who tighten girths all at once. But for the horse to throw you – that is pretty extreme for a girth just being a little loose. You’re very lucky that you weren’t paralyzed.

          • Lehane

            The reason i came flying off was because i lost my balance – he didn’t throw me.

          • longtimehorsewoman

            Sorry if I misunderstood. But how did you lose your balance and “fly off”?

          • Lehane

            In Chrome’s case he knew he had something wrong with him and his behaviour displayed that fact which was later confirmed when he was eased out of the race and subsequently he was found to be lame with a knee problem. Chrome knew what was ahead of him once he loaded and jumped out – all racehorses do. He knew his body wasn’t up to it. Of course he wouldn’t have known in advance what would specifically happen to him but he sure knew that his well-being was being threatened if he loaded.
            At a symposium on the injuries/deaths of racehorses, horses refusing to be loaded into the gates was amongst the risk factors.

          • longtimehorsewoman

            Yes, thankfully he’s not only smart but has some sense of self-preservation, many horses do not. Horses will so often do what we ask, even if are on the verge of death. People have ridden horses to death, as I’m sure you know. I totally agree that refusing to load, when I horse has loaded well in the past, is a sign of a problem.

          • CAmom6

            That is EXACTLY what I said! When he didnt want to load I said somethings not right.

          • Judy Gaddis

            Got it! A bit slow here today :-)

          • Lehane

            And trainers often have to go along with what owners demand.

    • vinceNYC

      a champion that lost 11 times…….

      • Meg Hiers

        Just for #$%# and giggles, check out the race records for Skip Away, Cigar, Forego, and Kelso. I guess they aren’t true champions either. Hell, Secretariat somehow lost 4 times. Basically, if you aren’t cherry picking spots, like so many do nowadays, you are going to see horses have good and not so good days.

    • Meydan Rocks

      CORRECTION: IS A TRUE CHAMPION.

  • Whynotwest

    He clearly didn’t show up with even his C race. He wasn’t beating Arrogate with his A race today with the trip he pulled anyway. Who was audacious enough to leave him out of the number in the tri or super? I had a feeling that wide post might be his demise, but I never thought he’d be worse than fourth. If you liked Arrogate and wanted to bet against Chrome you could have gotten paid. I hope Chrome is alright. He has a long stud career ahead of him. Arrogate is a monster. He was just getting going in the last eighth.

    • katwalk

      Not exactly, Arrogate came home in 13.7.

      • joey

        Arrogate put the field away from the 3/8 to the 1/8. That horse was wrapped up at the 1/8th pole. Didn’t need a fast final 1/8.

        • marsol

          Such nonsense coming from racing fans. Arrogate is a very good horse and liked him before Saratoga that said he would not beat CC at a mile and eighth in fact Smith was urging him throughout the stretch and he never cantered or stood up in the saddle, so please you lose all credibility, and the horse suffers greater popularity with fans. CC ran all of last yr at that distance between 1:45 – 1:47 he was phenomenal. Even Baffert said they are two evenly matched horses. With the added weight and quicker turn of foot for CC he wins at that distance – he did it last year and would have broken a track record and beaten Arrogate. You can shave a 1/2 -1 second off his
          time based on his performance he’s not getting to the wire under 11.5-12 for the last 1/8. The added weight he was carrying in this race and lesser amount CC was from the BCC was going to be the difference. Arrogate can show his talent against a very talented 3yr old crop, Dortmund, and perhaps Songbird.

          • OK, here are the facts. In 2016, CC ran 9f once, the G1 Awesome Again Stakes at Santa Anita, in 1:48.08. All his other races were either extended miles or around 10f. The horse does not have another winning race at 9f till all the way back to 2014.

        • katwalk

          I would suggest you reread the post I was responding to and in particular, note the last sentence.

  • Neal Baker

    Yep, CC could’ve had rocket fuel instead of fluid in his right knee, he wasn’t beating Arrogate on this day. That horse is a budding superstar. Just hope that Juddmonte keeps him on the track through his 4 year old campaign. Would’ve been nice if NBC would’ve asked that question in the winner’s circle interview but I guess they’re looking for a B-list celeb to interview.

    • joey

      Hahaha, Very good point.

    • Judy Gaddis

      NBC should never be allowed to televise another big race. Too bad they have the contract for the Triple Crown for, like, the next DECADE! They. Are. The. WORST! The only thing missing yesterday were those two, don’t know a forelock from a fetlock, figure skaters.

      • Virginia Lawler

        Egad. Thanks for the news (to me)…but…how sad to learn NBC has the Triple Crown for 10 more years. Your comment re the skaters was laugh-out-loud funny! Wonder if there’s any hope the advertisers could/would complain enough about the whole package to secure upgraded coverage?

    • moonrise

      As much as I lament Chrome’s loss and injury, I agree that Arrogate is a budding superstar. But I’m not sure they’ll keep him on the track much past a couple of more races.
      Who’s he going to run against? Who can possibly beat him? Who will waste their money and time running their horses against him? Sure for a little while they will challenge him thinking there just has to be a chink in that perfection. But I predict that if there isn’t an outstanding 3 year old crop up during the Triple Crown by the time the BCC comes around he won’t have anyone too interested in racing him.
      It might be more profitable for the owners to retire him to stallion duty and harness that blue blood pedigree to produce some more little Arrogates.

      • Neal Baker

        That was my point. NBC had an intvw with one of Juddmonte’s owners in the winners circle after the race and nothing was asked about the horse’s future plans. Dubai World Cup ? The Big Cap at Santa Anita ? the breeders shed ? I want to know.

      • Neal Baker

        I hope you’re wrong but I’m afraid you’ll be proven right.

  • Tyrone Floyd

    Arrogate was pinned down inside by a horse with a chipped knee. Arrogate never gets to outside and never wins with a healthy California Chrome

    • Lmaris

      Except he beat a healthy Chrome last November, and had to go much wider to do it. this is a lot like Chrome’s Belmont loss: Take a very minor niggle and using it as an excuse to explain away a better horse soundly beating him.

      • Meg Hiers

        And here I thought you knew something about horses- you are correct- the cut, while certainly not helping anything, may or may not have hurt his effort much due to adrenaline, but a problem with the knee or any other joint absolutely affects a performance of a horse asked to run at top speed. Even if there was no obvious musculoskeletal problem afterwards, it is beyond obvious that there was something wrong with Chrome in the race.

      • Tyrone Floyd

        Sounds like Arrogate fans know all he won was money. California Chrome continues to win the Horse Racing Industry’s respect, even in retirement.

      • Tinky

        You really are ignorant if you believe that the bare result was an accurate reflection of the merits of the two horses.

        • trooper seven

          Just jumping in to thank you for your posts, and for the dissertation on breeding you gave me a good time back. Have in my mind agreed or disagreed with you, but have always enjoyed your posts and your knowledge. I probably won’t be around much from now on unless the troll population greatly diminishes but all in all, I’ve really learned a lot.

          • Tinky

            Hi TS,

            Thank you for your kind comment, and I am happy to hear that you have found some of my posts to be educational.

            Sorry to hear that you are inclined to move away from the forum, but I can understand your reasons very well.

            All the best for the new year and beyond.

            Tink

        • Arrogate

          You lose credibility when you can’t just admit a horse you picked against is better than you thought (or hoped) he was. JMO:-)

          • Tinky

            You still don’t understand the nuances of the game – at all.

            I gave him full credit after the BC performance. He proved best, and is a better horse than CC. But this result meant nothing with regard to their relative abilities, and no one who really understands horse racing would attempt to argue otherwise.

          • Arrogate

            Oh I understand just fine, Tinky. Here is something I know. Chrome didn’t come out of the race well and I’m sorry about that. But it is quite possible that the stress of the pace – especially after being used from 12 hole – and trying to keep stride with a loping along Arrogate (1:09 and change) had something to do with that, too. As for Arrogate, separate from all other horses in the race, if you can’t appreciate the ease of his dominating performance yesterday, you should just stop watching.

          • Tinky

            Nothing that I have said suggests that I don’t appreciate Arrogate’s win. And it is ludicrous to suggest that CC was under pressure such a long way from home because the pace was too fast.

          • Arrogate

            Not if you actually watched the race;-)

      • Virginia Lawler

        I saw the photo of Chrome’s heel, taken immediately after the Belmont, en route back to the shed row. Also saw the longshot bump into him when the “very minor niggle” happened. Neither activity could have been helpful, but no one connected with CC has never made excuses.

    • Judoon

      First, it isn’t known yet what exactly is wrong. It might be a chip, it might not be. Second, Arrogate was running very comfortably where Mike Smith wanted him to be. Third, a healthy Chrome couldn’t have beaten Arrogate. He just isn’t as good.

      • trooper seven

        We’ll never know that, however.

      • Tyrone Floyd

        Mike Smith & Bob Baffert said Victor had them right where he wanted them. I think they know better than us. That does not mean Arrogate could not win, it just means it would have been very tough.

    • David Sullivan

      I have it on good authority that not only did Chrome have a chipped knee but he also had a loose shoe, his saddle wasn’t tightened properly, his jockey was an imposter, and another horse gave him a mean look in the paddock.

      • theosmachine

        LOL

      • Gotchagold

        Now that’s funny! Thanks for a good chuckle to start the day. But seriously, both great horses and glad CC isn’t badly hurt. This back and forth between backers is crazy silly.

    • Mr J

      what an idiotic post. Arrogate was ahead of CC the whole race. Suck on those lemons,sourdough

      • Tyrone Floyd

        California Chrome passed him before the 3/8th pole. Your some kinda weird little guy. Were you mentally abused or something? So much angst with you.

      • Steve

        You are a little prick. Suck it!

        • Mr J

          You sound like a pedophile

  • Robin

    For those of us who have watched California Chrome throughout his career it was clear that something was wrong with him early on in this race. Kudos to Victor for making the health of the horse important and easing him. It does not take away from everything CC accomplished in 2016 and I wish him a speedy recovery and successful stud career.

    • Lmaris

      What was wrong early in the race was the fact the pace was on fire, and it taxed Chrome more than it did Arrogate, who still had plenty in the tank after taking the lead at 6 furlongs in 1:09 and a mile a tick under 1:34.

      • kgwil

        You are always trolling articles about this horse. Did you get bored with BH, or did they chase you off?

        • SnidgetAsphodel

          Just ignore her. She has no class. Wouldn’t know it if it came up and bit her.

          • Cheryl

            Agreed. Chrome and the Sherman’s are classy and what they have accomplished is without a doubt amazing!

        • Mr J

          LM is right

          • Judy Gaddis

            You are just like her………….why do YOU troll somewhere else?

      • ForLoveOfTheGame

        Maybe . . .

      • md reynolds

        Did you even read this article?????

      • McGov

        I’m very happy that Victor wrapped up on CC….it was very obvious something was wrong before the stretch drive.

      • sg77

        That’s baloney. The pace (per the CLOCK not your lying eyes) was well within Chrome’s ability.

      • Boknows

        BS!!!

    • Virginia Lawler

      Totally agree re CC. I didn’t see him in the paddock because NBC kept showing a regional college BB game instead of switching to the Pegasus at 4:30 (here in the east) as was listed on the TV guide. After 5, when NBC finally switched to GP, I saw him lathered between his back legs as he was nearing the gate. I thought briefly then, too, that it sure was too bad VE was paying so much attention to the crowd, wiggling mini-waves, etc., while CC seemed quite tight with the lead pony. To me, something was noticeably wrong with him by then–especially recalling his recent loads–and IMO–VE didn’t help the situation by smacking him before loading either. CC’s start didn’t even seem right–In m’memory this morn he was basically even with Eragon, Breaking Lucky and Keen Ice, but I’d thought he’d have a jump on them quickly. I was very glad to see VE ease him. Wish I could see the race again…but maybe not. Thanks again for your post.

      • MBS

        Well done….you know what you are talking about! You are not the only one to pay attention and notice what was going on with with him BEFORE he even entered the gate. The same points were made to me by people who ride these horses every day. He wasn’t right on the day!

      • Lehane

        When i saw Espinoza hit Chrome with the whip to entice him into the gate, i winced. It was totally unnecessary.

    • Tyrone Floyd

      I agree, he took care of the horse first.

  • wizard123

    let’s be realistic here….on any given day Chrome cannot even warm Arrogate up….

    • kgwil

      I was looking for this race to settle that argument, but it really did not. All we know is that he can beat a healthy Chrome by 1/2 length.

      • Kellye Pikul

        At 10f, with the jockey looking around repeatedly.
        Best of luck to California Chrome in his new career. I hope his foals have his flashy chestnut and white.

    • Meg Hiers

      Except it took Arrogate the entire stretch to get by him in November….? Besides, if Chrome isn’t a great horse, then why are people calling Arrogate “great” for barely beating him when they were both finishing the race at their best?

      • Judoon

        An immature 3yo with a handful of races under his belt. Arrogate still has plenty of potential for improvement.

        • MLS

          Okay, using the Chromie method of what constitutes an “great” horse by being the highest money earner in North America; consider this, all Arrogate has to do to bypass Chrome in earnings would be to win the DWC. That would be in eight races, taking into account he doesn’t have a prep race that he does’t really need.

      • MLS

        Seven races. Three Grade 1 wins. That should tell you right there. I don’t think people realize what Arrogate has done is really amazing. Look at Chrome’s stats in his first seven races and where he was.

    • Jack Frazier

      Not a great horse? What planet are you on? Raced well from age two until now; flew the world to win the greatest race in Dubai; came back after a crappy move to send him to England and was actually better than he was before and you can’t say he is a great horse? Tell me then, what constitutes a great horse? Name one horse other than Personal Ensign, that retired undefeated and yet are considered great horses. Secretariat, Seattle Slew, Forego, John Henry, Spectacular Bid, Man O War all were beaten at one time or another.

      • Strikeforfreedomstables

        Black Caviar

        • Jack Frazier

          Yes and Pepper’s Pride (think that was her name), Who else?

          • Judoon

            But Peppers Pride was not a great horse.

          • trooper seven

            How do you know? The connections of Pioneer of the Nile thought she was great enough to breed to.

          • MLS

            Her pedigree is what got her bred.

          • trooper seven

            She didn’t lose a race in her career. She was kept in one state by her owner, but that doesn’t negate her races NOR her breeding.

          • Jack Frazier

            For her connections she was the greatest thing they will ever have. Greatness is all perception. Greatest horse I ever had was an Arab, Eagle One who raced 80 times winning 16, with 16 seconds, 16 thirds, 16 fourths and retired sound after winning three stake races at age nine. It is all perception. I have ridden some greats: Winning Colors, Dynaformer, On The Line and others. It is all perception.

      • MLS

        Chrome had most of his 4 year off. He never showed up for the BCC…twice. That’s the measuring stick for great dirt horses in the US.

  • Kyle Taylor

    Chrome took us on a magical ride. Thanks to all of his team for their wonderful work. Arrogate is the new champ. And what a champ!

    It was thrilling to see Chrome run — and my heart will never forget his spectacular career. We will miss you Chrome!

  • LogicRules55

    It was obvious that this was not the Chrome we’re accustomed to. Arrogate is an amazing horse and I was looking forward to an exciting rematch. I don’t know what the outcome would have been had a sound Chrome raced, as Arrogate’s BC performance was so absolutely incredible. I DO know that anyone who comments degrading either of these fabulous specimens is a jackass.

  • Normand Deschênes

    California Chrome is One of The Greatest Race Horses of All Time !Lord be with you California Chrome and Heal You!

    • Cheryl

      Amen

    • Mr J

      No he’s not

  • Audrey Gulla

    CC looked stressed to me while approaching the starting gate: throwing his head back & moving in circles & back & fourth. I never noticed him doing that in other races. Makes sense to me if he had something negative going on physically. Even so, he ran like the champ he is till Victor realized something was very wrong & astutely began easing him up. I hope Mr. Sherman is right & nothing is seriously wrong. Ditto for Arrogate & BB’s ensuring everyone that Arrogate’s foot ailment isn’t serious either.

    • C Hogan

      Exactly right. Had more kidney sweat than any horse I have seen in my lifetime and the look of pain was on Espinoza face.

    • Jack Frazier

      I saw he didn’t want to load into the starting gate right away, and I did notice he was sweating with a lot of kidney sweat between his back legs. He knew. The good thing is he finished the race with only minor problems. Let’s hope for the best. It took nothing from him.

      • Mr J

        Stop it

        • Jack Frazier

          Stop what? He had a bad race. He was beaten in the BC. Horses get beat but it took nothing away from what he had already done.

          • Michael Castellano

            Best to ignore folks like “J”. They get off on saying things just to get attention and bug people. I used to moderate politics forums, which is a little bit like being a referee at a MMA match. These kind were a dime a dozen there.

          • trooper seven

            Another former politics moderator! Yeah, I burned out after 15 years on one.

          • Mr J

            While half your posts accuse Arrogate and other BB horses of being drugged. Punk

          • Jack Frazier

            What is it they say? If ignorance were bliss, old J would be in heaven.

      • Virginia Lawler

        Opps–again didn’t read far enough. You’re so right–his reservation about the gate was yet another strong indication that he was not himself. Which I also didn’t recall immediately. Along with you–and Audrey–I hope that both diagnoses are reasonable. And, thanks to both of you for the good comments

        • Jack Frazier

          I was hoping it wasn’t what I saw but his reluctance to load indicated he was not right. The naysayers and plebeians will still say negative things.

          • moonrise

            Yeah, they still are – all over horse sites. But you’re absolutely right. I knew when he was reluctant to load that something was wrong. Chrome not being eager to run? Yeah, not normal for him at all.
            Just glad it wasn’t a huge injury or something life threatening and he gets to finally retire and enjoy his life.

    • Susan

      Finally, someone mentions his behavior before entering the gate. I have seen him in person and he never exhibited this kind of stress at the gate. I knew right then he was out of it. Something some how happened before the race.

      • MBS

        Well said!! I can tell by these posts the people who know what they are talking about when it comes to horses and people who are just….lets say racing fans.

      • JCE

        To me, he ran like he had tied up.I thought that he was in danger of it when they let him stop on post parade.

    • Virginia Lawler

      Opps–Sorry I hadn’t read far enough to see your note when I posted a reply above. You are so right re the head tossing and circling! Etc. I’d seen that, too, but, in my old age, couldn’t recall it first thing this morn.

  • Tinky

    The Breeders’ Cup was the only meaningful meeting between the two principals. Anyone who argues that the result of this race was somehow meaningful (in relation to CC) is either ignorant, or trolling.

    • Lehane

      Spot on.

  • John

    I think that we officially saw the end of the Pegasus’s today. They needed Chrome to make this work. A $10,000 horse will not be allowed to win major races in this country. All this was about was taking away his money title. With two races, Arrogate has approached $11 million. Chrome ran over 20 races to get his. Ran all summer for peanuts chasing the promise of a bonus that never materialized. The worst post position ever in the Pegasus. And to top it off, the Chome folks helped finance the Pegasus? WTH? My brother who bets pacers will not touch these races. Says to many crooks. Chrome was jumpy because he had been tampered with? Now I see why Baffert ships late? From the saddle slipping in a $10 race to this? Where and when did it chip? He was a beast last week when he trained? Somebody is always trying to gain an advantage. Maybe it happened whiles they were all at the Eclipse? Where was the security? And then to put him in the barn of the very man who cost you the Belmont? Glad you are gone to the breeding shed Chrome! Thank you for the memories!

    • Mr J

      Chrome got over 50% of his career earnings in the 2 Dubai races. You’re all wet sonny boy

      • Steve

        Classless little troll.

      • John

        6 million is not half of 14.5 million. I doubt Arrogate will finish the year!

        • Mr J

          But 8 is.6+2=8

  • Jack Frazier

    Reading a lot of the posts here, it is evident some folks don’t know what constitutes a great horse. One race more or less, does not make a great horse. It is the volume of work that they do whether they are a claiming horse or a stake horse. Obviously something was amiss today and even if it weren’t, he might not have beaten Arrogate who ran spectacularly. Here are a list a great horses that were defeated: Secretariat, Kelso, Spectacular Bid, Seattle Slew, John Henry, Pebbles, Winning Colors, Lady’s Secret, Man O War, War Admiral, Citation and more. Those who throw insults at Chrome obviously know very damn little about the history of Thoroughbred racing. I can only name Personal Ensign, Black Caviar and Pepper, as a great ones who were never defeated. Chrome was not at his best but it may not have been good enough even if he were but this race does not diminish his status as a great horse who, except for the mismanagement when he was a four year-old by being sent to England, danced every dance and came back over that debacle to be truly spectacular and gave the racing world a hero to watch. All attempts to smear him are just mean.

    • Mr J

      You are one of those folks. CC couldn’t win the BCC ,couldn’t beat Arrogate. In fact he was 1 for 6 in his biggest races,the ’16 DWC where he beat Mutb,Hopp,Frosted and a bunch of Gr 3 turf horses. He’s a very good horse that won 2 popularity contests as HOY

      • Jack Frazier

        Did you actually read the post? I did not say he would have, could have or should have. I gave credit to Arrogate. I like CC for sure but realistically, horses get beat.

        • trooper seven

          “Mr J” has his own agenda.

          • Judy Gaddis

            Yes………….he does and no one really listens. We just like to slam him around back to see what he comes back with. He’s a troll of the worst kind.

          • Don

            Judy, instead of running your yap, finish the house work!

        • Mr J

          I did read it. Almost sounds like you were comparing CC to Secretariat,Slew,the Bid etc.

          • Jack Frazier

            No way. How did you infer that? I mentioned those horses because each of them were defeated, some several times and it did not diminish their stature. I don’t compare generational horses. If I did, Citation would be the one I would say was the greatest in my lifetime. Before that, Man O War. The need to compare generationally is a sham because there is no way to prove or disprove it. It is only hyperbole and opinion.

          • trooper seven

            In my lifetime Kelso/Citation tie.

          • Jack Frazier

            Citation raced almost every week. During his three year-old year he won the Derby Trial, the Derby, another stake race then the Preakness, then ran again and won a stake before the Belmont, then won the Belmont. No horse I know of ever has duplicated that. Kelso was superlative. I did see him run although Citation ran when I was only one but I still count him as the best horse ever. He won sixteen races, was defeated then came back and won fourteen or fifteen more in a row. He was tough to gallop and is also the only horse I know to have a bit called a Citation Bit, named after him. It was made so the exercise rider could keep him from running off but it didn’t really work which is why he raced so often; he always ran off in the mornings so it was decided to just race him rather than take a chance. He injured a tendon and came back to win after that before retiring.

      • Judoon

        I’d also rank him as very good rather than great. Though I think he deserved to be hoy both times.

        • Mr J

          Last year,ill give him. But 2014 was a farce.

      • Mr. Blues

        Your a hater and a nut job

        • Mr J

          “Hater”? What are you 15 ?

    • billy

      Agreed

    • Ida Lee

      Thank you for taking the time to comment in such a thoughtful manner. Those of us who have followed this wonderful Champion throughout his career know exactly what a great athlete he’s been and how special he’s been to this sport. As I mentioned before the race, whether Chrome wins or not, his place in our hearts is tightly in place.

    • Buckpasser

      Colin was one of the greats who was undefeated. So was American Eclipse and Tremont. Foreign great horses who were undefeated would include Ribot, Nearco, St. Simon etc.

      • TurbosViolet

        Personal Ensign was undefeated.

        • Buckpasser

          I’m aware of that. I was answering a comment above who mentioned only a few horses, including Personal Ensign, who were undefeated and stated that he could think of only a handful. He wrote the following: “I can only name Personal Ensign, Black Caviar and Pepper, as a great ones who were never defeated.” My point is that there are a number of horses who were undefeated not just three he named.

    • kgwil

      Very well said!

    • Guest

      Jack good point, it’s also the heart, courage and the ability to come back after “debacles”. One horse you missed, “Zenyatta”. Graceful even in defeat.

      • Jack Frazier

        Agreed. My bad. She is

    • Daniel Jividen

      When mentioning undefeated horses you should never forget Colin (15 for 15 in 1907 – 08), perhaps the best of them all.

      • Jack Frazier

        Yes, ut none of them did what Citation did.

        • Daniel Jividen

          You mean lose three straight races to Noor? You’re right. None of them lost three straight races to Noor.

          • Jack Frazier

            In two of those races Noor had to set new world records to beat Citation. So what is your point? Good horses, even great horses get beat but Noor was at his peak and Citation was at the end of his career. To think in anyway, that this diminishes Citation is folly.

          • Daniel Jividen

            Tisn’t folly. Citation’s 1951 season definitely diminishes him. He just wasn’t the same horse after Calumet brought him back from retirement. He became the first equine millionaire in 1951 but at the expense of lessening (slightly) his record and his dominate image.

          • trooper seven

            It is worse than folly. Citation’s last year was not a bad year. It was less than his great years, but not a bad year. Nothing, nothing, can diminish the stature of a horse of Citation’s quality and achievements.

          • Daniel Jividen

            “Folly” is an overstatement. Citation was 27 for 29 in his two and three year old seasons (1947-48), 5 for 16 in his five and six year old seasons (1950-51). Therefore it is not folly to say his record after being brought out of retirement was much less than his record upon retirement at the end of his three year old season. No one is trying to disrespect Citation. I visited him occasionally at Calumet Farm in my youth. Loved him. He is ranked number three in The Blood-Horse’s top 100 horses in U.S. racing history. (Behind Man ‘o War and Secretariat.) That is a fair and realistic ranking. However, I think, if Calumet had not brought him out of retirement in order to make him the first equine millionaire, thus diminishing his race record and his dominate image, Citation would be ranked number two, behind only the incomparable Man o’ War.

          • trooper seven

            No that is not folly. When you said that year diminished him, that was folly.

          • trooper seven

            If that is what you mean by “diminish” then it is a fair statement…arguable, a matter of opinion, but fair.

          • longtimehorsewoman

            You are right. Only people should be blamed for a champion being raced too long.

    • moonrise

      A thousand times, this^^^^ Thank you. Well said.

    • Gflores007

      Thank you.

    • bhood

      He lost the 3 biggest races of his career. That counts for something and if it doesn’t, what’s the point of the big races? Chrome will go down as a really really good horse, just not a great one.

      • Jack Frazier

        Perhaps but he was absolutely the greatest thing racing has had for years. Other than Zenyatta, who had a fan club and his seemed larger. Good, great? Let’s wait a few years and then reflect on that one. He did great things. How about the Dubai race with the saddle near his flank and yet he paid no attention and kept to the task. That was one of the greatest races I have ever seen.

        • MLS

          Or perhaps a horse named American Pharoah…..

        • longtimehorsewoman

          He was a great racehorse. He earned an amount that is astounding. He raced to the age of 6 – when was the last time we saw a stallion do that? He won the Dubai World Cup and came back to race successfully. He made fans and got a lot of people interested in racing. And yes, the slipping saddle!!! Another mark of a great horse – he didn’t bat an eye or lose a stride.

      • MLS

        Frank Taylor said that Arrogate will go down as one of the top ten horses of all time.

    • Mr. Blues

      Spot on….Chrome go’s down in the history books as GREAT

  • wolfstraum

    The horse was uncharacteristically acting up before the race, at loading and never really ran….obvious that something was “off”…walking to and loading into the van which was taking him to the airport, he was slightly lame….given this, the Pegasus was not truly a contest…and Arrogate was the best of the rest on the track….

  • Don

    I wish they kept statistics on how often horses run well after balking at going in the gate. Since Chrome has matured I have not seen him balk until yesterday. My wife and I both feared it was not going to be pretty. The horses seem to know it.

  • GoonrGrrl

    Whatever happened to “We’ll give him time to settle and look to start breeding him in mid-February?” I get it that they don’t want to miss this year’s breeding season, but if I owned shares in Chrome I would be pretty concerned that they’re rushing a lowkey-injured stallion straight into the breeding shed. This of course isn’t the first misstep from Team Chrome but it could have serious long-term impact for anybody with a stake in this horse beyond 2017. Get the horse vetted and give him the courtesy of a WEEK at least… Geeze.

    • Arrogate

      Agree that soundbite doesn’t read well. He may have said it in some man humor jest, or he may just be frustrated with the final outcome. No doubt none of this is helpful to their business of selling Chrome to breeders and he might be trying to head off the slew of concerned calls from breeders with booked open mares that want to know if they should go to Plan B.

    • Judy Gaddis

      I have been saying the same exact thing ever since I heard that he was running in The Pegasus the END of January but was expected to make it to Taylor Made in time for the 2017 breeding season. What ever happened to letting a horse “down from the track” and THEN begin breeding????? This is yet just another case of everything being about the almighty dollar and the horse merely being a means of a way of putting $$$$ into the pockets of the already wealthy. I am just about to retire from racing along WITH Chrome.

      • Tyrone Floyd

        If he has to have a bone chip removed and is looking at worse 4 to 6 months of healing how can he breed mares at all? Wouldn’t the risk be too great? If he can’t breed does he return to training and racing this summer?

        • Arrogate

          He absolutely will not race again. And Taylors plan to breed him no matter what. The comments that Frank Taylor made this morning in free article on DRF are right there for the Chromies to take at face value. “If he is sound to walk, he is sound to breed.” Welcome to Kentucky my friend.

          • Tyrone Floyd

            Frank Taylor was the one who three weeks ago was trying to convince the other owner/breeders to keep California Chrome racing as a six year old. Ya never know with Martin & Taylor.

          • MLS

            Taylor said that they would perhaps have Chrome breed and then return to the track to race. However, I’m pretty sure they thought they were going to win the PWC when he said that. If he did come back to the track, he would still would have had to face Arrogate again and that certainly wouldn’t help Chrome’s breeding fee at all.

          • Lehane

            If Frank Taylor did in fact say that (don’t get me wrong i’m not refuting what you’re saying) then that is deplorable.

        • Judy Gaddis

          I am not a veterinarian but I believe having a bone chip removed is not that complicated a procedure and recovery (for non-racing purposes) shouldn’t be 4-6 months. None of my horses have ever had a bone chip removed so I can’t say for certain.

          That said, I know of instances where horses have been retired and for one reason or another it didn’t “work out” and they were brought back and conditioned to race again but I don’t see that happening with a horse as valuable as Chrome, nor one like Chrome that already has a full or almost full book of mares lined up for the 2017 breeding season.

          Maybe someone here that is actually IN racing and has dealt with bone chip removal, etc. before can answer your question better.

          I am just hoping a minor bone chip is ALL that Chrome has.

          • Tyrone Floyd

            Read that chips at worse could take up to 6 months, hope for the best.

          • Lehane

            WINX the gorgeous Australian mare after winning the 2016 Cox Plate last October was found to have an issue and was scratched from her next start in a big prizemoney race. Hence she only had 4 starts in her last prep. She had surgery with a chip removed and has been out for 12 weeks. She trialled recently and seems okay. So far she’s won 17 out of her 23 race starts.

    • Lehane

      My view is that Chrome needs at least a couple of months to recover, rest and repair.

  • ridingtowin

    “California Chrome was a bit sore when cooling out Saturday evening”
    I’m pretty confident that he was sore going in to the race. He was stressed out in the paddock. Washy and acting strange during the warm up, and balked loading into the starting gate. All warning signs that there is something wrong. And although the horse was trying to tell his connections that there is something wrong, they weren’t paying him no mind.

    • zinn21 zinn21

      He had some kidney sweat but I didn’t see a washy horse. Dona Barton out there on the track reported on the NBC telecast he wasn’t hot. That said from all reports he appeared off after the race cooling out and the Taylor Made folks reported he had fluid on his right knee so in all likelihood he wasn’t right in the running of the race. But since horses can’t talk it is speculation how he was actually feeling while running.

    • Elle D

      It’s possible he wasn’t right going into the race. I would think Victor would have noticed, although he seemed more interested in playing to the camera.

    • excuses vs reasons

      CC was perfectly sound going into and coming out of that race. I find it a bit interesting that nobody has seemed to have a veterinarian look at and x-ray one of the most valuable horses in the world if there was truly swelling present a few hours post-race and they truly suspected even a minor problem. Methinks they are feeling quite a sting that CC didn’t show up and are looking for an excuse to appease the fans and their egos. I swear, if CC had a speck of dust in his eye it would be enough for his fans to cry foul and say the results don’t “count” because of it. You know, another reason that horses stress out before a race and don’t want to go into the gate? Because they’re mentally burnt out. They don’t want to run. They don’t enjoy racing and see it as just exertion instead of something they are eager to do. That may be where CC ended up. It certainly wasn’t the Chrome we expected. But honestly, nobody knows what was in that horses mind or whether the knee bothered him in the slightest. His accomplishments were his accomplishments, and he owns them. He owns his losses, too.

      • kgwil

        Something was truly amiss with him, and he didn’t want to run for some reason. It is understandable since he has been in training for over a year with no rest. Burn-out, painful knee, or both…the only way to know is if he could talk.

      • ridingtowin

        If a horse is totally burnt out, they will show it leading up to the race with their gallops and breezes. They will go off their feed. They will sulk in the stall. There are plenty of signs that a horse is burnt out and the horse doesn’t actually have to speak to get the message across. Stick to something you know.

      • MLS

        Ding Ding Ding We have a winner!

  • Ida Lee

    Overheard from Chrome: I’ve suffered enough….where are the ladies ?

    • Judy Gaddis

      And as the plane takes off he says “…..Are we there yet?….” LOL!

      • Ida Lee

        It feels great to be able to joke today after that scare yesterday …. Go Chrome !!

  • billy

    Really just x rays at the farm cmon man the way he didn’t wanna load the way he ran from the half to the finish 14 million in earnings isn’t good enough for him to have ultrasound and a full exam even if he “isn’t that bad” why???

    • Michael

      Because an xray will show where the chip is (if there even is one) and whether or not to take it out after the breeding season. Ultrasound the knee lol…Most likely a couple days of bute is all he needs or worse case inject it with some acid.
      It is annoying reading all of the amateur comments, mostly critical of how this horse is being managed right now. Horses come back a little off or with some heat or pressure in their joints all the time, a couple days off and most of them are back to normal. That’s what happens to 1000 pound animals racing on tiny legs.

      • Lehane

        Chrome’s pre-race behaviour and his performance in the Pegasus said it all. It was more than being a little off and pulling up with some heat.

      • billy

        Thanks for your professional comment…..what you mention is that in the horses best interest or in the interest of makin money easy answer like always, even when he is the all time earner in north america wow yes ultrasound the knee why is that an issue it’s a leg he already had issues with he will be turned out which could make whatever worse. An x Ray yes but that just shows bone that’s all

        • Michael

          I am talking about the best interest of the horse. If there was an issue with the suspensory or tendon then by all means ultrasound it and treat it with bute and shockwave therapy. But the knee is the hotspot and you xray joints. These operations have limitless resources when it comes to diagnostics, but you don’t just do a full body scan when it is routine pressure and a little heat. I’m not trying to be rude, just stating the facts.

          • billy

            I didn’t mean a full scan just the knee but I do understand your point thank you for your knowledge

          • Michael

            There is nothing in the knee that an ultrasound will show that an xray will not. You ultrasound ligaments, tendons and abdomen’s in the case of certain colics. Lameness shows up in various ways most are easily diagnosed. As was this case, reported recently. In other cases that don’t pinpoint the area people with lots of cash like the CC crew would do full scintigraphy if it wasn’t pinpointed. Smaller barns will block a joint or area on a horse and work down until they pinpoint the area that is causing the issue. Even $5k claimers get checked top to bottom when some lameness is shown. Between the jockey, groom, exercise rider and trainer there are quite a few opinions, then the vet checks them out. Some riders think they feel knees, but the horse is tight in behind and just hitting harder in front. You work with the vet and eliminate areas and find the spot thats bugging them and treat accordingly, either therapudically or with time off. I assure you they are not leaving stone unturned with him, this is routine.

          • longtimehorsewoman

            That is not true. If there is no chip or fracture, the injury is ligament or tendon. That said, if a horse is lame and no one is certain where the injury is, blocking starts at the bottom and goes up. It doesn’t start at the top and go down.

    • longtimehorsewoman

      There is nothing wrong with x-rays at the farm. There are some things that must be x-rayed at the hospital, but knees are not one of them. That said, I find Micheal’s comments heartless and cynical. Knee problems are one of the worst problems for a horse. They are not nothing.

      • Michael

        I am not being heartless or cynical, I’m speaking from experience. You can tell the difference (almost all the time) from just regular pressure and when they chip. Regular wear and tear pressure will go away in a day or two with a little bute. Injecting with acid is not evil, its great for them before some downtime, you are taking bad fluid out and putting good stuff in (don’t confuse a steroid or cortisone with acid).
        I had a horse with a chip in a good spot, that didn’t interfere with the joint, race with it in there until he was 9 (he ran his best speed figure that year) and is now a hunter jumper at 13.

        I think it is great that people are passionate about this horse and the sport. But the second guessing and criticism about his race is a bit much. To think that the State vet in the morning and at the gate, and everyone else involved just ignored that he was hurt is insane. He didn’t run well and came back a little off, it happens all the time in racing. Just like any athlete that competes and has an off game or takes a little bump during the game.

        • longtimehorsewoman

          I think you were a little callous, if not heartless. Yes, a chip is not that bad, but all knee problems are not chips. And knee problems are not good. I have had to put several horses to sleep over the years, and knee problems were the issue several times. I doubt Chrome has a truly serious knee injury – at least I hope not. And i agree with the rest of your post. I don’t believe people ignored any physical sign of injury. And I don’t know why people are so mean spirited. Arrogate appears to be a very good horse. But why criticize Chrome. Let’s be honest – who wouldn’t love to have a horse like him?

  • Claudia Frances Neal

    I’m glad to hear that California Chrome is doing well enough to fly to Taylor Made Farm per normal schedule to be under the care of Dr. Larry Bramlage. I have read excellent articles from him about fluid on the knee in horses. At this stage of California Chrome’s career, I wish him a healthy 30 years! May God Bless him and the Taylor Made Family. My wish is that Art Sherman does have the opportunity to train some of the foals bred by California Chrome. In the meantime, I hope Art does amazing things with Dortmund. He is a gorgeous strong horse.

    • Judy Gaddis

      I, too, have been thinking about Chrome’s offspring and just how wonderful it would be for Art to have one of Chrome’s sons (or daughters!) in a stall in his barn one day, maybe even in training for the First Saturday In May. Art Sherman may never have another California Chrome but there is still “lots left in the tank” for him to train another really, really GOOD one.

    • kgwil

      I wish the best for Art. I hear that Chrome’s 2-year-old full brother Faversham is being sent to Art in March. Look forward to that also.

  • John

    I said that they needed more security on those two horses! Probably why Baffert ships late!

    • MLS

      Baffert ships late because he said training on a new track can make a horse sore.

  • Guest

    The unusual way Chrome acted at the gate demonstrated something was up or wrong. Reminds me of the great Lady’s Secret when she ran back to the barn, almost to say ” enough, I’m done.” Very happy CC will be ok, it could have been much worse.

    • Doug Chambers

      That’s what I told my wife, it was as if he was saying, “No more, I don’t want to do this anymore.” I noticed he seemed somewhat stressed in the paddock, but thought it may just be alright, yet when he didn’t want to go in the gate, I figured he didn’t want to run. I got that impression too, “Enough. No more.”

      Sometimes these things have to happen to retire a horse, otherwise God knows how long he could have still been running. He’s given us his all and done more than enough. He had nothing left to prove. He is California Chrome, the great racehorse. Thank you Chrome!

      • Guest

        Doug, couldn’t have said it better myself!

  • FastBernieB

    Anonymous trolls should be ignored. They are not racing fans and their comments should not be acknowledged with any kind of response.
    The real loser yesterday was the sport we love. Having 2 champions facing off is one of those great match ups that we rarely see. When the contest we envisioned did not materialize it was a huge disappointment for all true racing fans regardless of allegiance. Furthermore, all true racing fans, including those who backed Arrogate, rather than belittling CC and his achievements, are concerned with CC’s health coming out of the race and hoping that the next stage of his career unfolds as planned.
    What happened yesterday happened. That’s horse racing. Good luck to both horses and their connections moving forward.

    • Judy Gaddis

      WELL said! Thank you.

  • LBTS

    It was a beautiful day with great racing and after watching the TV broadcast last night I was proud to call Gulfstream my home track. I went to UK and spent many days at Keeneland, too many maybe. Both tracks are an experience. Looking to add SAR this summer to KEE, GP and SA attendance. But before SAR I will be at the Fountain of Youth and the Florida Derby in the next couple months.
    I know a little about the breeding shed and Taylor Made down towards Nicholasville, but did not know about “test mares”. How are test mares used and what are there functions ?

    • Ed Schuster

      Test mares are used to give stud some experience on covering mares. Like you were when you were 17

      • Judy Gaddis

        Ha ha ha………a little chauvinistic but funny!

      • LBTS

        Thank you Ed for the laugh…. I think I get the picture …. and an incredible rush of memories ! Who doesn’t enjoy “practice” but what if the test mare ends up in a family way ?

      • Guest

        You guys are killn’ me, lol! Secretariat’s ‘first” was an Appy mare and she was a proud “mama”. You want the mare to become in foal to test the fertility, as well as shed manners. As far as I know, the owner kept the foal. I sure would.

        • LBTS

          Do you get a discount off of the $40,000 fee to “educate the young man” if the foal stands and nurses ?

          • Guest

            LOL..how about a buy one get one?…Seriously, negotiation is up to the parties involved. There was a bidding war for Secretariat’s Appy baby(aptly named First Secretary, reg Appaloosa) before the foal was born or what sex it was. The person mortgaged his house and sold 15 shares to recoup his investment. Luckily “Leola” had a colt. Who knows in the “horse world” almost anything is possible.

          • MLS

            There’s no fee to a test mare since it will not race. They are usually a cross, QH Appy etc

          • Liz Garcia

            HI, in response to your comment a year ago about me saying “colored male” , there is nothing wrong about that. Thats actually a correct term to not say “black male” becauase its soo happenes that theyre many sensitive people in this world. Thats just how it is , I choose to say “colored” for the description of the person the damn cops showed me they were looking for instead of “black man”

      • MLS

        And to see if he’s fertile.

    • Elle D

      You might like to read the book Racecourse Architecture by Paul Roberts, a look at the history of the world’s greatest race courses, including Keeneland. (Gulfstream, not so much.) Gulfstream was my old home track, including the original version before its current incarnation. Keeneland, now my home track — racing “the way it was meant to be”.

    • Jean

      One – He needs to learn “breeding shed manners”. and Two – they need to test his fertility.

  • sg77

    Chrome is awesome and gorgeous and I will miss watching him race. But I’m glad he’s going to Taylor Made! I can’t wait to see his first babies.

    As for the race, he wasn’t himself in the post parade. Check the video!

  • marsol

    Such nonsense coming from racing fans. Arrogate is a very good horse and liked him before Saratoga that said he would not beat CC at a mile and eighth in fact Smith was urging him throughout the stretch and he never cantered or stood up in the saddle, so please you lose all credibility, and the horse suffers greater popularity with fans. CC ran all of last yr at that distance between 1:45 – 1:47 he was phenomenal. Even Baffert said they are two evenly matched horses. With the added weight and quicker turn of foot for CC he wins at that distance – he did it last year and would have broken a track record and beaten Arrogate. You can shave a 1/2 -1 second off his race time, based on his performance he’s not getting to the wire under 11.5-12 for the last 1/8. The added weight he was carrying in this race and lesser amount CC was from the BCC was going to be the difference. Arrogate can show his talent against a very talented 3yr old crop, Dortmund, and perhaps Songbird.

    • trooper seven

      I don’t know whether Chrome would have won or lost this race and now we’ll never know. But he is one of the best we’ve seen in many years.

      • redo

        He would not have one. One of the best in the last few years yes.

        • trooper seven

          If you could spell “won” correctly (instead of saying “He would not have one”) you might exude more authority in your opinions. On second thought–no, you wouldn’t.

          • redo

            Ok Barack

    • Curt Muth

      “CC ran all of last yr at that distance between 1:45 – 1:47 ”

      1.45 what are you on? 1 1/8 in 1.45 get a grip and get of the “Happy Cloud” before you get addicted.

  • ishy111

    Perhaps this has already been said but shame on the announcers for the Pegasus who obviously had to hype the 2 horse battle but clearly missed the most obvious signs that CC was extremely uncomfortable before the race. Throwing his head around, leaning heavily to one side in his warm up, so much kidney sweat it was dripping down his leg, almost dumped Espinosa prior to loading, and on and on. Donna Brothers, who is a horseperson and does know her stuff, sitting behind Chrome and telling us he broke out all week but not today – when she could plainly see he was dripping (not on his neck but behind). This race was over before they went into the gate.

    Takes nothing from CC or his legacy. Something was simply wrong. Kudos to him for even trying and more kudos to him for backing out when he knew he would only hurt himself.

    • marsol

      Here here, Brothers lost a bit of credibility with her poor reporting, the production was not up to standard either; and did racing gain new interest, or was this a bizarre spectacle. I’d like to see the NBC ratings.

      • Virginia Lawler

        Agreed. Hope someone can come up with the ratings.

      • MLS

        They put out the TV ratings and the PWC rated higher than the BCC.

    • Doug Chambers

      This is why I have always said that I am a fan of the horse, but not the sport, and why I said I would retire from horse racing when Chrome retired. There is too much at stake for many to not do what is best for the horse, and no matter how you spell it, it isn’t right. I don’t know if that is what happened here (give the benefit of the doubt that they may have been clueless), but wouldn’t be surprised. Going to enjoy retirement with Chrome. I hope to see him in Kentucky one day.

    • Judy Gaddis

      I am glad that you mentioned Donna Brothers and that comment she made. I thought to myself “Look between his hind legs you twit!”

      And the entire NBC production was way too interested in the celebrities attending The Pegasus than the participants (human or equine) in the actual race. WORST race coverage I have ever seen and NBC has had some doozies!

      • Guest

        You said it Judy!!!

        • Virginia Lawler

          Ditto from me.

      • David Sullivan

        Many race horses exhibit kidney sweat. So much so that most horsemen pay little or no attention to it and Donna Brothers is one of the most knowledgeable horsemen to ever be on a horse race telecast. I agree about NBC’s coverage in general but any criticism of Donna Brothers is off base. She probably forgot more about horses during the race than you, or I , will ever know.

    • Virginia Lawler

      Thanks very much for your post. To me the NBC announcers have always been, and continue to be, weak with their racing coverage (often including the camerawork), and especially in comparison to the earlier years of with ABC. It was a surprise to learn they didn’t recognize and address the several symptoms CC showed. I didn’t see Donna Brothers, but she sure was off base saying CC “broke out all week.” He was continually cool in every level of activity I saw on TV during the 3 weeks he was at GP–which was a lot–and included both fine works. At 11:15 a.m., Sat., the TVG reporter standing just a bit away from a stall said it was where CC was enjoying a nap! Who knows now, maybe he was reclining because his leg hurt!
      It’s always a surprise why the NBC crew doesn’t seem to do much homework for any racing event. Couldn’t they have have popped in some interesting tidbits and visuals re Pegasus or Poseidan or old Hialeah or the unexpected boom in the racing industry in Fla., or famous races there over the years. Etc. Couldn’t they could have prepped themselves more thoroughly about each entry. I try to be fair, so maybe they did all that in the 1st 45 min. of the show. We couldn’t see that it because there was a local college BB game on. and NBC stayed with it instead of switching to the “horse racing” on the TV schedule. They joined the Pegasus about 5:10, and the 1st visual I saw was CC in his approach to the gate with VE still smiling and mini-waving to the crowd.

      • Jarhead-87

        “It was a surprise to learn they didn’t recognize and address the several symptoms CC showed.”

        Why didn’t Art and staff noticed? The people around him daily who checked him out pre and post races.

        Wow the crap in here has really piled up. lmao…NBC? yep..that darn
        NBC, they could have called and told that neophyte trainer, Art Sherman,
        not to run CC.

  • Boknows

    13 month campaign and flying around the world, just to much to expect. No question Chrome is a tried horse. In 13 months he has shown up for every dance and when horses get tired that when injuries happen. What a run our Great Champion had over a great 4 years and to come back after injury and do what he did! Amazing… Don’t think we will ever see that again. Thanks Steve Colburn, Art, Alan, Victor, Groom, exercise rider and the whole Sherman Team, along with Taylor Made Farm for A Ride of a Life Time!! California Chrome & Wise Dan I have had a Ride of a lifetime!!

  • William justice

    If he’s lame right after the race, he could really be lame in weeks to come, yet he’ll be fine to breed. This is where the breeding industry gets a pass on being humane in comparison to the the racing industry.

    • Boknows

      Amen!! They better watch out what they do with Chrome!! They would Never Hear the end of it!!!! Don’t think Taylor Made would do that. But I guess we will see.

    • rraine

      So you really think they would allow what ever the issue is to worsen??? Get a grip, he will be examined by the best vets around and it will be determined what care is needed. He didn’t snap his leg off, he has a knee that is bothering him.

    • MLS

      When a stud breeds, he stands on his rear legs not his front :-)

      • longtimehorsewoman

        Yes they do. However, they also use their front legs to grip the mare. And they can slide off and perhaps tweak a front leg. it is not a fool proof endeavor.

  • Horselovr

    He can’t even trot without a problem . I knew right when he reared at the gate something was wrong. He was trying to tell Victor the same . It was so out of character. The poor boy gave all he could but it was obvious he definitely did not have the power and passion he usually had, not even close.I so hope he will be ok.

    • Boknows

      Amen!! Know all the Chrome haters can go and hate on another horse!! What Fools they are! Just like they did Wise Dan one of the Greatest on grass in the World..

      • MLS

        It wasn’t that they were Chrome haters, they were Chromie haters.

  • DanM

    Chrome was fading and already about 12 lengths behind in the stretch when he swerved in, then immediately swerved out. Even an amateur like me could tell that he was experiencing difficulty.

    I hope California Chrome lives a long life in retirement. Perhaps we will be visiting him someday at a place like Old Friends.

    • Boknows

      Amen!!

    • rraine

      Why wait, go see him at Taylor Made Farm when he is there. He wouldn’t be at OF unless he is no longer able to breed.

  • RedSoxMamma

    Chrome brought tons of fans into a struggling sport, I was sorry to see him go out so badly. I look forward to Chrome foals & seeing Arrogate run again next season. Long live the Old King, all hail the New King.

    • MLS

      Horse racing fans have more than one horse they root for….big difference. And I’m sure a lot of “fans” won’t be heard of again until/if Chrome’s off spring make it to the track.

      • RedSoxMamma

        Well we can hope a few hang around. Back in 1973 a horse got me interested in racing & I still follow it. Hope some Chromies do too.

  • betsalot

    I bet runhappys horse because they told me how smart they were oh well broke again

    • bhood

      Runhappy is now a TB owner? Damn, that’s some breaking news. Wonder why nobody has reported that he obtained an owner’s license? That should be big news.

  • Karen Woll

    We all sure want the VERY BEST OF THE BEST medical care for Chrome. And, we ALL definitely send him our prayers and LOVE….there will never be another horse so well loved. He will always be in my heart and America’s FAVORITE of all! Love ya, Chrome!

  • Tyrone Floyd

    There are people who hate winners, they hate to see love. They don’t matter. GO CALIFORNIA CHROME, MOST BELOVED HORSE IN THE WORLD!!

  • Tyrone Floyd

    CALIFORNIA CHROME PASSED ARROGATE BEFORE THE 3/8TH POLE. little mr. j you can say what you want. Fact is a injury to the right knee backed up California Chrome, not Arrogate who ran a good race. Victor could have pushed Chrome to be in the money but he wisely took care of the horse. Keep your lemons, sourness follows you from page to page.

  • Guest

    Chrome, what a great asset to our sport, heart and courage. Especially when he won the DWC while his saddle slipped. Would love to see a movie made about him and his remarkable journey. Can’t wait to see his babies.

  • 33horses

    I could tell something was amiss when Victor had to use his stick to get him into the gate. He didn’t want to run that day because he was hurting. I also heard some rumblings about a certain chiropractor who either used bad equipment or didn’t quite know his craft

  • Leslie Cantrell

    What was up with Mike Smith wearing Chrome’s early colors think that was in poor taste and a major slap in the face! Any thoughts??

    • longshot

      Maybe he rode one of their horses earlier. Check out the results

    • Guest

      When was that,..missed it..

    • MLS

      Mike would not wear DAP silks LoL They never had another horse run in a race that Mike would ride in on another horse. Where’s the picture?

  • pete

    Were thorough prerace veterinary examinations done given the entry “fees” and the exclusivity of the race?

    • MLS

      There was a vet in the paddock and another one at the gate and I’m sure they were all check before going to the paddock.

  • swiss305

    Has anyone seen a statement from V. Espinoza? The press would ordinarily be all over him to ask what happened. Did he just vanish after the race or did I miss it?

    • trooper seven

      Saw one, can’t remember what he said.

    • Tyrone Floyd

      There’s a interview on XBTV’s website.

  • Guest

    Feel bad for Art, hope we never see those hillbilly owners again…

    • Guest

      Hey, are you posting to me or am I posting to you? lol… Yes, feel for Art and his crew as well, what a once in a life time horse, wish Art and his crew the best with Dort and the rest of his stable.

  • Faye Wells

    I’m so relieved that his condition is not serious. I was grateful that Espinoza did not try to force him on, but instead relaxed and let Chrome feel whatever it was that bothered him. His racing career was very thrilling! Especially for us native Californians around the world. Chrome is a special horse, with nothing left to prove, and many years ahead to just be a horse.

  • crosslinks09

    TVG just stated that Chrome and Arrogate met for a third time on flight out to go their separate ways. One champ ending his career and another really just getting started. It was also reported that Chrome had heat and filling in his leg. Totally bummed that he was not 100% so we could have really seen a rematch to go down in history! Here’s hoping Chrome will heal completely. Needless to say, those that wish to kick him while he’s down, has to admit that he is an iron horse given his extended career and showing to be completely sound up until now. He should pass that on to his get, which in this day and age, is a plus, plus. Congrats to Arrogate and his connections on a great win yesterday. If all goes well, we should see him again at Dubai. I look forward to following his career.

  • Jane

    Have any of you ever actually touched a horse? Been around even one with your hands on? Do you have any knowledge of how horses think? He may have had a problem with his knee, but Chrome was fine until Espinoza popped him twice on the butt with his whip right before he was to go in the gate. That pissed him off, and rightfully so, and it was so obvious to anyone who has worked with horses. I was surprised he didn’t buck the guy off. I would have. And then he decided he’d had enough and wasn’t going to play, hence the argument re going in the gate, the lackluster start and the lack of desire to run. Sometimes even a horse decides it’s time to take a stand against unfair and/or unnecessary punitive treatment by cocky humans. And they can be sneaky and very thorough when it finally comes to retribution.

    • Guest

      And there you have it, straight from the horses mouth,,,,,,lol

    • bhood

      So you start by asking if anyone has ever touched a horse, then conclude that Victor, who has touched, ridden, exercised, etc. thousands of horses doesn’t know what he’s doing. Gotcha chief.

      • Lehane

        Victor has experience of riding racehorses but he lacks horsemanship as many jockeys do. Agreed, he sure knows what he’s doing – he whip rides. When he realised something was drastically wrong with Chrome he put the whip away, nothing heroic about that.

    • Lehane

      Agree. I’ve watched many a racehorse dump a rider on way to the gates and dump rider when race over.

    • Ladis Niedzwiecki

      Thanks well said !

  • Haegele_m

    Hat’s off to Victor?!!! Are you kidding? If he had half a brain, he wouldn’t have warmed the horse up with the whip, whipped him into the starting gate, or started wailing on him with the whip from the half mile pole to the quarter. The horse was screaming for help and that jock had no clue.

  • Brenda

    Glad to know CC will be ok. He is a Champion! He is good for racing. I wish he would of been able to run his race yesterday. I do feel Arrogate would of still won. CC would of made him work for it.
    Best Wish to CC and all his connections! :)

  • Michael Keller

    It was a very good day of racing, for fans, Gulfstream, and the sport and industry. Aside from all the conspiracy theorists and cynics, it was a “legitimate” race and both horses started and ran. That’s why they run the races. That said, it’s a shame California Chrome was “off” and didn’t show up with his best day, effort, etc. The loss will not tarnish his reputation and what he’s accomplished in a very solid, long career. The cynics will always have their nonsensical say. When the race was announced, the available spots were sold out within a very short period of time. The “trading” and “deals” were expected and were going to be judged, mostly by people who aren’t in the game and if they were, they don’t play the game at that level.

    On the other hand, Arrogate, not only showed up but solidified his ability and potential. We could be seeing a very special horse, one who could forge a legacy and perhaps be mentioned amongst other “great” horses. He’s already accomplished some “great” things — but he is not yet deserving of being on a list, short-list, etc., of “great” horses. Anyone who wants to start throwing his name in the same sentence, paragraph, or even discussion, with some of the truly all-time greats, is either naive, uneducated, or very premature. No question — very talented, exceptional potential, and right now perhaps the best horse in training, and he’s still “very young” in his career. I am very much looking forward to watching this horse moving forward. I loved what I saw in the Travers and got to see the horse close up, in the mornings, etc. I also very much liked what I saw and was very impressed with his BC Classic victory. How can you not get excited about this horse.

    It has been a pleasure to watch California Chrome compete and race, and I was not a believer or a fan at the beginning. I have always been a fan — since before California Chrome — of Art Sherman. He is a class act and a real gentleman. Anyone who says otherwise doesn’t know him and is cynically sitting in judgement of comments, words, quotes, whatever you want to call it. He has been an advocate for the horse, racing, the sport, and an ambassador of the sport as well. The ownership group, and the various “incidents” — I don’t condemn the horse because of his owners.

  • gammyp6

    He was hurting and tried to get that across with his reluctance to load…..he was a very brave boy and did his best. Now it is over and he can move on….I am looking forward to seeing him at TMade and cannot wait for his foals….Thank you CC…we will always love you.

  • Guest

    I agree with Michael Keller two posts below, about Arrogate, California Chrome, and Art Sherman. I’m also sorry that Chrome was injured and could not bring his best but more than thankful that his injury was not worse. Everyone involved in racing knows the chances each horse takes every time he/she runs. He had a long, hard stellar career, traveled many places, won and did well on the other side of the world. With all due respect to Arrogate, who had started a magnificent and impressive career, let’s see where he is and what his race record and accomplishments are 2 years from yesterday. Let’s see if he is running in the Pegasus.

  • swiss305

    Could someone familiar with the horse business respond to this question:
    Aren’t horses going into stud duty usually given several months to “come down” from the drugs and routine of racing to ensure their fertility and protect the mares? Isn’t there a problem with sending Chrome to the breeding shed two weeks off the track? Could they have changed up his usual racing meds in preparation for that?

    • MLS
      • Michael

        Oh great now we have a bunch of breeding experts too. He is going to stud not the OTTB Racehorse Makeover. Most intact horses at the track would cover any filly cooling out in front of them if they could. Sure a month or two of letdown is nice, but not a precursor.

    • longtimehorsewoman

      They should be, but it is not SOP. And stud duty is not the wonderful thing people think it is. I wouldn’t wish it on any horse. In nature, no stallion would cover that many mares. Not even close to it. Even men who are trying to get their wives pregnant, begin to find it a chore. Go visit one of the big stud farms and really look at the horses’ faces.

      • longtimehorsewoman

        Should have said, “the way it is today”.

      • Elle D

        Pharoah recently had a look in his eye that seemed to beg me to rescue him. Don’t think he likes cabbage. Ashford has him on camera 24/7 so I couldn’t oblige him.

  • Ladis Niedzwiecki

    Yes get what you can out of this horse before you destroy him….choke on your greed

  • albert

    Bottom line great trainer great horse longtivity in his racing 3 to six how many horses in the last ten years ran this long great breeding prospect soundness in a sire a $$$$$$$$$

  • Ben Hudson

    Over the last 60 years, I have had the pleasure of visiting with several of the true stars in this business. None were more enjoyable or more than Art Sherman.

  • Saratoga Bob

    I would like to thank Art Sherman for keeping this horse racing for all of us to enjoy .He has demonstrated over and over what a true master Trainer that he is keeping a horse racing at this level is very difficult .We look forward to his career has a stud good luck to California Chrome keep the dream alive 🏇🏇

  • Leonard

    Repeatedly Art boasted about how C.C. has never been better, once he hits the track he looks off? Why not scratch the horse. Bottom line C.C. lost got beaten by a better horse who looked him in the eye on the back side race over. Just accept defeat quit the excuses. Go to retirement & just admit defeat by a better horse. Nothing worse than being a bad sport when thing don’t go your way, if he win what a super star, but when he goes down in flames all these excuses. Enough just take your ball & go home. If he was not right they would have not entered the starting gate. Better horse won that’s it. Retire with dignity & leave the excuses for low level claiming races.

    • longtimehorsewoman

      Arrogate didn’t beat him – he didn’t run a race, he was injured. If he had been his normal self, maybe Arrogant would have beaten him, but not 8 horses.

  • Rusty Shackelford

    Why is no-one giving credit where it is due? I thought this horse Arrogate won the race. The other horse ran up the track and is still running from what I understand. Anyway congrats to the real headline the horse that won the race Arrogate & his connections. Boy did that Baby Baffert fellow have that Chrome horses number, he knew just how to beat that horse because he beat that Chrome horse with different horses. Great race but the focus should be on the winner not the sore loser that is making excuses.

    • Kevin Callinan

      Since the article has nothing to do with Arrogate that might answer your question.

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