Champion Arrogate To Stand At Juddmonte Farms For $75,000

by | 11.08.2017 | 4:54pm
Arrogate winning the Dubai World Cup

Juddmonte Farms announced today that four time G1 winner Arrogate, the richest North American racehorse in history, with earnings of $17,422,600, will stand for a fee of $75,000 Live Foal Stands & Nurses.

His book will be restricted to 142 mares.

“Our goal is always to provide the best value to our breeders. We will select the highest quality of mares to offer Arrogate the best chance to be as great a sire as he was a racehorse,” said Garrett O'Rourke, Manager of Juddmonte's US operation.

The horse is available for inspection during the November sale.

  • Mary (M.R.) Perdue

    What a bargain!

    • IrishMick

      …said the bridge jumper.

    • Flying J

      Time will tell.

    • WT61

      Really? I think $75,000 is laughable! I’d never pay that for a first year stallion no matter who he is.

      • David Juffet

        Totally agree.

  • Tinky

    It will be very interesting to see how Arrogate fares at stud. Unbridled’s Song has been a poor sire of sires, given the many opportunities that his sons have been given. Arrogate’s bottom-line doesn’t inspire much confidence, either, given that there isn’t a single sire of note under his first seven dams, at least.

    Then you have the facts/problems that he didn’t start until the spring of his three-year-old season, and only raced 11 times.

    Add to that his disastrous final three races, and the questions that they raise, and I certainly wouldn’t be inclined to speculate by breeding to him.

    • Up the track Jack

      I think you overlooked Distorted Humor.

      • Tinky

        No, he was by Forty Niner. I am referring to horses which were produced by the females in Arrogate’s family.

        • David Juffet

          I’d go to Dialed In fee 25k next year. 7,500 first year. 75k is nuts.

  • Cynthia McGinnes

    Tinky,
    you won’t have to worry about breeding to Arrogate. Your venom towards him and anything connected with BobBaffert is very clear to all who read this website. I would venture that Arrogate’s book will be filled with great mares, and his weanlings and yearlings will top the sales because they will be big, beautiful movers, and everything the market is looking for. He is a bargain at $75,000 for the commercial breeder.
    You embarrass yourself by your denigration of this extremely talented athlete. Watch his Travers, his 2016 BC Classic, his triumph at Dubai, and then say that you don’t think he is worth breeding to. I just watched the 2017 BC Classic stretch run again, and it was not thrilling. For whatever reason, none of the horses could finish well on that track, time was very slow.
    (By the way, Arrogate led the gallop out…)

    • Auntie Judy aka JAG

      Thank you!! I love your post. Ppl who dis a horse are jealous. He IS THE RICHEST RACE HORSE IN NORTH AMERICA.
      Thankfully, they’re not over breeding him is a testament that they don’t need 💰 like they’re doing to other famous stallions. He’s not a slot machine in Vegas!!!

      • McGov

        Ever consider that Arrogate won’t mind breeding? lol….maybe if you ask him, he might say GIVE ME 300 hahhahah nudge nudge ;)

        • Auntie Judy aka JAG

          I’m pretty certain he won’t mind the ladies 😍😉

    • riatea

      Tinky’s post doesn’t sound venemous to me. He raises some valid concerns. Personally I think Will Take Charge at half the price has a much better shot.
      I too expect many of the first Arrogates will sell well.

      • whirlaway

        Will Take Charge is one of the new stallions I am anxiously waiting to see how his horses perform.

        • Tinky

          And I would say that he is US’s most promising son at stud by far.

          • whirlaway

            I would agree with that. I have noticed recently US’s daughters are doing better as broodmares versus his sons as sires. WTC has the benefit of Take Charge Lady as his dam and that female family to perhaps help him succeed as a sire along with his own talent. Time will tell.

          • Tinky

            I like his chances precisely because he was largely atypical of Unbridled’s Song’s offspring.

            Chestnut; one-run type; and sound.

          • whirlaway

            Modern times he was sound. Nothing against MMM but Will Take Charge’ s BCC was the example of running a winning race but still finishing second. That was a tough loss but he ran a very good race that day. Really hope he does well as a sire.

          • larry

            He was sound because he could t run just like Plodder Code

          • Tinky

            I’m beginning to wonder whether you actually have anything intelligent to say, as your posts thus far suggest otherwise.

          • larry

            At least l don t slander people of cheating without proof

          • Tango F

            it is only slander if it is untrue

          • Tango F

            Dehere and Secretariat

          • larry

            Thats laughable he was a major league plodder. no chance, no chance in hell

          • Tinky

            The fact that you are unable to distinguish between a one-run type and a plodder, tells readers all that they need to know about the quality of your opinions.

          • larry

            American Pharoah certainly made him look like a Plodder Code in the Breeders Cup

          • Tinky

            Your ignorance knows no bound, does it?

            The two never faced each other in the BC.

          • larry

            Honour Code you fool

          • Tinky

            A horse that is entirely irrelevant to the discussion? Good to know.

          • David Worley

            Tinky, what do you think about Arrogate’s dam side of his breeding? I don’t know much about her family. What sort of quality is there?

          • Tinky

            His bottom-line is above average, but far from outstanding.

            Well, his dam, a minor stakes-winner, is certainly off to a good start, but it’s too early to tell what her impact will ultimately be. She will have every chance now, of course.

            The second-dam is decent, and the third dam is the Champion Meadow Star, but the latter was a poor producer. The fourth dam, Inreality Star, comes from a very useful family, and produced two very good horses herself.

            Meadow Star and Arrogate are the only two Grade I caliber runners produced by the first several dams, and, as mentioned previously, it’s not a family of successful stallions, either.

          • David Worley

            Thanks, that is helpful background.

    • Tinky

      That’s quite an extensive ad hominem attack, Cynthia.

      Sad that you have chosen that approach, rather than responding to the numerous facts that underpin my posts relating to Arrogate. And like most who resort to such cowardly attacks, you are also blind to the irony embedded in them, as it is you, not I, who should be embarrassed.

      • Cynthia McGinnes

        Tinky, give it up. I have been involved with racing for over 60 years, and I have learned to recognize a great racehorse when I see one. I have a list of the top ten RACES I have ever seen, and Arrogate in Dubai is number one. Secretariat in the Belmont is No. 2. Dr Fager setting the world record for a mile is no.3. Arrogate in the Travers and the 2016 Breeders Cup are also on the list, with SundaySilence/easy Goer and Alydar/Affirmed in their Triple Crown battles. American Pharoah winning the Derby is also there.
        Incidentally, AP is the best all around racehorse in my opinion that I have had the privilege of watching. Kelso, Damascus, Forego, and Cigar are close behind.
        For you to say that Arrogates last three races were disastrous is ridiculous….his second in the Pacific Classic to Collected earned a114 Beyer, he was only beaten six lengths in the BC, dead heating with Gunnevara and ahead of Churchill…hardly a disaster, unless you are comparing him to the very high standards that he had earlier set for himself!
        There is nothing that I said in my earlier post that was not true, was certainly not meant as an attack, so I apologize if I hurt your feelings.
        Your facts, as you describe them, make the assumption that Arrogate has no natural talent, only drug assisted ability.
        You are entitled to your opinion,but I feel sorry for your cynicism.

        • Big G

          dear cynthia, Spectacular bid , war admiral , Goldikova, all along, Genuine risk, zenyatta , seattle slew, inside information, just to name a few more that were champions in their own right. big g.

        • Tinky

          Cynthia –

          You intent may be to argue seriously, but what you have written is anything but.

          I have based all of my posts on Arrogate on facts, while you have relied on purely subjective observations.

          I pointed out in my initial post that Arrogate started late, raced only a few times (which is typical of the USs), and has a pedigree that should serve as a warning to those who expect him to be a good sire.

          Those are all clear and indisputable facts, yet in two posts you have failed to recognize them

          I also pointed out that he crashed in his last three races. It is true that the PC was by far the best of them, but, in context, it actually raises more questions than it answers (e.g. if he had “lost interest” in racing, as the party line goes, then why did he suddenly gain interest in the PC?).

          In any case, his career certainly ended on a very sour note, and none of the various explanations offered by his connections were compelling.

          With regard to your list of top ten races, they are meaningless in this discussion. And frankly, as you included the likes of American Pharoah, and, remarkably, consider him to be the best that you have seen over 60 years, your opinion cannot be taken at all seriously.

          AP was inferior to many horses to have raced over the past half-century in the U.S., not only in terms of speed, but especially when judged the quality of horses that he beat.

          Your claim that Arrogate’s BC performance, based on his gallop-out, of all things, was actually not so bad, also underscores that you are not a serious observer.

          Finally, you again substitute emotion for facts when you dishonestly claim that I “make the assumption that Arrogate has no natural talent”.

          That is an absurd assertion, as no PEDs are capable of turning a horse with modest talent into a super-fast Grade I race winner, and I have never suggested otherwise.

        • egremont

          You have seen.. Kelso and Forego racing.., yet you have place American Pharoah above them, as an all round racehorse..?

          • Tango F

            It is difficult to believe her assertions

        • Judoon

          Replying to Stinky is a waste of time. I blocked her long ago.

        • Tango F

          You are delusional

    • peteski13

      While I’m not so sure I would hold Arrogate’s last three races against him as a stallion, Tinky’s comments about pedigree are spot on. There was a time when Unbridled Song’s offspring were hitting the breeding shed as fast as the Tapit’s are now. His top son, First Defense, is a lofty 73rd on the sire list.
      Oh and you said Arrogate led the gallop out. How much purse money or black type does he get for that.

    • MaiyaDay

      A horse’s physical ability and stallion potential are two entirely different things. For whatever he did on the track, the fact remains he was a big horse who took a long time to develop, had physical issues, did not race once as a 2YO, never won at less than 8.5f and was best at 10f which is a rare distance in the sport. How is he “everything the market is looking for” when they want early 2YO graded winners at shorter distances – everything Arrogate was NOT?

      Other Unbridled’s Songs at stud have better female families and are much cheaper than him. It’s really not that out of line to question if this is a top stallion prospect or not.

      By the way, Gun Runner led the gallop out, because he started his before Arrogate crossed the finish line.

      • Cynthia McGinnes

        If the market is looking for early 2yo winners, why are the weanlings by American Pharoah setting records? The market is looking for Triple Crown sires like Curlin, sires of horses that can run two turns.
        And I only mentioned the gallop out in the BC Classic as tongue in cheek because at the two year old sales, so important to the market, those in the know supposedly rank the gallop out as more important than the actual timed workout of the horses! If you watch the replay, Arrogate was in front at the all important two year old sale gallop out in the BC Classic..the market would approve:))

        • duchess

          You are aware that AP was the champion two year old of his crop?

          • Tinky

            Apparently not!

          • larry

            But you trash American Pharoah on here to so tell me who an expert like you would breed a mare to?

          • Tinky

            Pointing out the obvious – that he wasn’t fast for a “great” horse, and beat nothing of especially high quality, is trashing?

            Thanks for the comic relief!

          • larry

            He was geared down have the time , breaking the track record by 2 seconds isn t fast?

          • Tinky

            For future reference, it’s a really, really bad idea to flaunt your ignorance.

            The dirt track at Keeneland was so new, that only a tiny number of 10f. races had been run over it, and the previous “record” holder was a claimer.

          • larry

            How many horses ran a faster Belmonts in history?

          • Tinky

            There’s a new thingy out there called “speed figures” – you might want to check ’em out sometime.

            His Belmont earned him a 105 Beyer figure. From 1992-2003 alone the average for Belmont winners was 107.

          • larry

            Speed figures are nonsense, if you like losing your money bet speed figures

          • McGov

            Well….speed figures are not total nonsense…they help the novice handicapper compare horses in a much simpler way.
            But for serious players they are not very useful and are misleading at times…..ie geared down, etc etc etc.

          • larry

            Like AP in the Haskel he was geared down at the 8 th pole. he would have broke the track record that day if victor had let him run

          • David Juffet

            Giving your opinion is against the rules if you disagree with others huh?

        • MaiyaDay

          The weanlings by American Pharoah, who won 2 G1s at 2 and was champion 2YO male… gee I have no idea why breeders looking for early 2YO winners would look to him… also which of his weanlings is setting records?

    • Minneola

      “(By the way, Arrogate led the gallop out…)” Wow. Didn’t know that was the idea behind racing.

    • ben

      BB is having a couple of things against him. A The sudden deaths, and the fact, that there are early wins, but very few horses are as good as four yr olds during the season, as they were as three yr olds. Look at horses like klimt, Dortmund etc.

      • Beau Geste

        I think Klimt and Dortmund were cases of being exposed over time. Dortmund was surely ahead of the crop in physical maturity, but I think his size was always going to be an issue. Klimt simply wasn’t that good.

        • GoodnessMe

          Klimt would have been fine if he stayed with BB or sent to SC.

          • Beau Geste

            When I said Klimt was exposed, it was in the sense of being unsuited to the Derby trail. Klimt would have and should have excelled at sprinting.

          • Tango F

            now, you jump on the SC train?
            After the nasty comments you made about him when Bob stole Abel Tasman?
            Wow.

      • Erin Casseday

        But then you can look at horses like Collected, Hoppertunity and GOD who were better at 4 (and even older) then they were at 3.

        • ben

          Just a couple of horses against a bunch of others

          • Erin Casseday

            There are more, those were just the first 3 off the top of my head.

        • David Juffet

          Don’t forget Game On Dude.

          • Tango F

            And Bayern!
            Oh , … wait! ;-)

      • GoodnessMe

        You mean after Sherman got them?

        • Minneola

          Sherman got them too late.

          • Tango F

            She has such rudeness towards an eighty year old man who has forgotten more about horses, racing and breeding than she will ever learn

    • ben

      The track was prepared to be safe, with added sand earlier on and a lot of re shaping. Extensive maintainance work was done to provide safety. Hence the slow times.

      • Tango F

        2:00 is not exactly slow
        neither is 1:43

    • martin schiff

      They are Baffert haters and think he cheats some way to keep.getting these kind of animals.

  • Tango F

    Arrogate’s progeny will get top dollar for a while, but Tinky is correct about the sire line … Liam’s Map or Will Take Charge or Graydar will probably end up being much better values in the long run and on the track

  • gammyp6

    Arrogate will do wonderful at stud and if not he has nothing to be ashamed of….people OWE him and need to make good on it no matter what…

  • martin schiff

    I wish they would have gone to the Pegasus where we.all know.he liked the track and it is a win only situation cause he lost his value at Delmar and if he was working as he did there he just needs this type of track

  • TimTamTed

    Mandy Pope,are you listening ? The potential for a dirt monster lies in your hands.

  • Cynthia McGinnes

    Peace be with you all today. I am happy to have bred a mare that brought $2.1 million at Keeneland yesterday, as well as a yearling that brought $340,000 in September. These two were from families that we developed over the years, so I am confident that I know something about what pedigrees produce runners, and which stallions to breed to….
    Have a nice day everyone.

    • Beau Geste

      Peace be with you. And Congratulations.

    • David Juffet

      The prices at that sale were completely off the charts. Song Bird 9 million plus? Nuts. Mandy loves Rick’s mares.

    • Tango F

      But you seem to be a poor judge of human character

  • McGov

    Seems cheap, no? Guess it is easy to understand why he has been retired…..142 x $75 k = $10,650,000.
    And that is just first year.

    • David Juffet

      142?

    • Minneola

      But the farm owns some of the mares that they will be breeding to him. And they are limiting to 142 and stated that they are being selective. So, if the 142 (inc. farm’s own mares) isn’t met, what then?

      • McGov

        Not sure, either way, the boy makes a LOT of money…..and somehow I imagine he enjoys this job, more than racing ;)

  • Beau Geste

    There is a point at which people lose any credibility for me and it has happened here. It’s when the negative comments are turned toward the horse. I’m sorry but whatever feelings you might have for an owner, trainer or jockey have to stop when you get to the animal. It sounds ridiculous when you’re using prediction as a cover for wishing failure on Arrogate as a stallion.

  • David Juffet

    Tinky, what’s going on here? Lol. 75k is too high unless it includes an unlimited supply of vitamins.

  • Tango F

    sour grapes

  • Elle D

    My new neighbor! Here’s wishing him a successful career at stud.

  • Rusty Shackelford

    Sorry to let alot of you down but Mr Baffert knows his craft well because he has years of experience & is a hard working man. Anytime there is a winner its never that they know what they are doing, it’s they found s way to deceive or are cutting corners or are taking from someone else & on & on you get the idea. The Sport of Kings is pretty well regulated & theres no way Mr Baffert is a no cheat as those that speak ill 1o of Mr Baffert & want to make others believe their unfounded accusation. Like the old saying goes “Experience makes them talk” For once give the man some credit where credit is due & maybe just maybe if those haters put in some hard work themselves they can also become successful. This is my opinion….. Best regards to all

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