House Committee Votes To Reverse Ban On Horse Slaughter

by | 07.12.2017 | 3:34pm
Horse Slaughter Auction

A vote by the House Appropriations Committee today might lay groundwork to bring horse slaughter back to the United States. Rep. Lucille Roybal-Allard (D-Calif.) pushed to renew what was effectively a ban on the practice, but was defeated by a 27-25 vote by the committee. (Detailed vote available here in  blog published by Humane Society of the United States CEO Wayne Pacelle.)

Horse slaughter plants in the States closed when funding for USDA inspections was stripped more than a decade ago. Previous editions of the Agriculture Appropriations Bill have contained language blocking that funding, but Wednesday's vote means the bill for 2018 will move forward without it.

Horse slaughter inspections will remain unfunded through September 30 of this year; it remains to be seen whether any slaughterhouses will attempt to resume processing horse meat as a result.

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  • KYFan2

    Don’t want to see return to the days when slaughter trucks pull up to thoroughbred sales last day to collect unsold mares/yearlings. Horrific.

    • Larry Ensor

      Do you really think that still doesn’t happen? No snark intended. I bet people have no idea how many trucks were pulling into farm all around Lexington after the market crash. Still are just not leaving full like they were. Have to go to more than one farm before leaving “full”.

      I am not for slaughter but I fully understand why it becomes necessary. Anyone that runs their farm as a business has to, should understand the cost of non productive assets. They will stay in business longer. It’s not my way of doing “business” I am way too connected to the horses I look after. I am a terrible business person and it does drains one’s limited income. Make no mistake. There is little to no room to make “mistakes” since the market collapse.If ever in any horses business that doesn’t have outside income.

      My biggest fear as a breeder, a VERY limited breeder in recent years, is not the fear of getting a “bad” foal, that’s a given. My biggest fear, emotional fear is breeding perfectly good foals, yearlings with respectable enough pedigrees that don’t sell, nobody wants. It’s a financial nightmare when we don’t regroup at least most of our production cost. A much bigger nightmare finding a good home for a youngster. I have the skills to break/start my “left overs” and get them going as pleasure or sport horses. But that adds another 1-2+ years of labor and expenses to maybe get a few thousand dollars in return. Or just to be able to give away. Each year more and more “gather”. Breeder is, has to be a “numbers game”.

      Most KY breeding farms do not have the skill set or the infrastructure, employees to take on this responsibility. This is the reality in the real world of horses. Regardless of breed. Warmblood breeders “knock” just about any foal that doesn’t conform to their strict standard. Western breeders even more so.

      I remember all too well when the industry got behind the horse slaughter ban. My feelings on it were none too popular with my friends in Lex, some of which have become the “powers that be”. I said this is not well though out legislation. It BS feel good legislation. Passed by people who have no idea what they are talking about and the repercussions of this ban.

      IMO it is far more humane for horses to be shipped locally, comfortably and quick humane euthanasia. Since the ban they are packed into trucks like sardines and are subjected to very long transport to Canada or Mexico. The shipping company does not stop every X amount of hours to water them off. I promise you. When they get to the slaughter pens they have to fight to get some water let alone a bit of feed or hay. By and large it is horrible.

      Lots of horses in the west were just taken out into the deserts and left to fend for themselves. I’ve seen walking skeletons on the back roads. Only time I wish I had a gun permit.

      Like it or not, a lot, if not most horses do not retire end up in lifetime greener pastures. Especially nonproductive broodmares. Hardly something new in the industry/sport. But with the rise of social media it is not something that the industry can hide, look the other way as it has done since its beginning.

      To be clear I don’t begrudge those who run their horse business as a business and treat their horses as “livestock”. It is the fiscally prudent way of staying in business. Just not my way of doing business. IMO the “grand experiment” in the end was not in the best interest of the horses. We just made the “problem” someone else at their expense.

      • rraine

        I’m just interested in which slaughterhouses use “humane euthanasia”. I’m not against euthanizing horses but the method those places use could hardly be called humane, that is the issue.

        • Larry Ensor

          I completely agree and I did not say or use “slaughterhouse” now did I?

          I can’t speak for other areas. In my area, a pretty heavily populated horses area, not just TBs there are several small businesses that provide end of life services. I have inspected their farm/facilities. Well kept and pretty much looks like any other horse farm. When dropping off a horse for what ever one’s reason at least there is some solace.

          They do humanely euthanize the horse themselves and take the remains to a rendering plant. These folks have been in business a long time and have an excellent reputation. The cost is $400 if they pick up the horse $250 if dropped off. If any horses owner can afford this and or is too cheap to pay it. They shouldn’t own horses to begin with.

          • Fred and Joan Booth

            How do they do this? We are hands on breeders who have had several of our horses put to sleep because of severe injury or most common, severe illness. Every horse has been put to sleep gently and with no severe violent convulsions or reactions, even with young yearling colt who had broken his hind fetlock due to kicking something. We have had 3 separate vets accomplish this heart breaking task for our farm.They are all VERY GOOD.
            Each horse is buried on our farm by a grove of trees.We miss GREATLY our first farm stallion who was the fastest, most gentle stud we have ever handled in 30+ years in the business.There should be a maximum limit to a stallions book of say 50, we know of course that will never happen.We are SMALL breeders who found out the HARD way that are horses can run well at good tracks but there are NONE in our region. We have since changed our focus from racing to pleasure horses provided to young growing families as we place emphasis on providing horses that have good tempers and stay sound.We are opposed to slaughter as many people in the slaughter industry are not good people. We have first hand experience with this! We MOVED away from our last location because of an experience involving the knifing of a horse we were teaching to ride for another owner by retired slaughter plant worker. We also don`t use or eat animal products that have been killed either. We once were provided a tour of a slaughter plant while in junior high that was most enlightening to our life. We have also trained horses for a slaughter plant owner/ operator too.Darrel`s thoroughbred was the first race horse we galloped. It was from strictly a mechanical point of view, interesting to see how an animal is made, but scary when one realizes how much cancer there is in the animal population of those animals people are eating. The slaughter plant operator was privately run for hunters and growers of their own meat and was exempt from USDA inspections and had full disclosure on packaged meats for their customers.They did do their best for sanitation and to prevent severely damaged meats from being processed to be consumed by their customers.

          • Rachel

            Up where I live it’s more like $800-$1200. I’ve paid it more than once. It’s more now.

          • WT

            I don’t know where you live, but I’ve paid $200 for euthanasia and that included the farm call. Dead animal pickup is $25 because of an agreement between the county and the service.

          • TwoBays

            It is $300 in SoCal, for your cadaver to go to the land fill. About $350 for the proceedure.

          • Lehane

            How do they humanely euthanase the horses?

        • Judy Gaddis

          From all factual information I have read there is nothing “HUMANE” about it. Anything BUT!

      • TwoBays

        “…Most KY breeding farms do not have the skill set or the infrastructure, employees to take on this responsibility….”
        Then perhaps they shouldn’t be in the business. I don’t condone using slaughter as an crutch for turning a profit. The practice is not responsible animal husbandry and the horses do suffer; it is not a peaceful ending.

        • Minneola

          I could be wrong but believe that the horses that are most in danger of being sent to that horrific end are the wild horses that we see multiplying in large numbers. However, no way in this kingdom would I ever — EVER — condone doing what is the easiest and most expedient method of thinning out the overpopulation of horses. If humans could have put a man on the moon many decades ago, they should be able to come up with a better solution that just slaughtering the heck of out these creatures. There has to be a better way but do not know if there is enough will power from those that are in power to get this done.

          • Larry Ensor

            I seem to remember reading there is an experimental birth control program being tested on the wild horse population. The “birth control” med is injected by use of a dart gun. I seem to remember the med is long acting. Not sure if this would be the best long term solution but it is a start.

            The wild horse “problem” IMO is more complicated than face value.

          • At one time they did, “chemical castration” however that was kaboshed by certain groups. They also had a med they tried on the mares. It sort of worked but that was also kaboshed by certain groups before research and improvement could be finished.

          • Judy Gaddis

            They are re-trying the birth control on the mares in one location (see my reply to Larry Ensor) and are having success with it.

          • Judy Gaddis

            I saw a short news story on this just the other day. And this lady and her group were SO dedicated that just by sight they could remember which members of which herds they were working with (and the herds generally consisted of at least 75-100 horses each) they had successfully “darted” with the birth control serum.

            It may take a long time due to the number of mustang mares and many many people to get on board but it proves that it CAN BE DONE!

          • Minneola

            Thank you for that information. I’ve often wondered why such a med could not be created. In the long run, whatever the cost of developing that drug would be far less than just about any other alternative.

          • Judy Gaddis

            See my comment above. You can bet the two deciding votes were from “friends” of the cattle industry who have long wanted ALL the wild mustangs G*O*N*E……………….

          • Deb Curtis Olivas

            That is not true , you do realize cattle ranchers maintain water for the horses and wildlife , and also share their land and grazing rights ? You do realize the horses are on the range 365 and the cattle are not , you do realize the horses compete with wild life for forage .

          • Judy Gaddis

            You don’t know much about politics, do you? I quote an earlier post by Smithereens:

            “Congress has tried and failed to shut down shipments to slaughter
            because of opposition from the Farm Bureau, the Cattlemen’s Lobby and
            horse breeders, who put big $$ in to the political campaigns of
            red-state politicians cozy with livestock producers. If not for these
            special interest groups and their lobbying $$, the various bills voted
            on would have passed, and we would have a ban on slaughter in the US and
            export to slaughter……….”

            The masses have not only allowed this problem to grow but now have let it get totally out of hand and who suffers? The horses that’s who! There are plenty of hard working, “regular Joe” citizens forming groups and coming up with inventive ways to help BEGIN controlling the vast number of unwanted equines (in this case the wild Mustangs) such as the darting of mares with birth control serum. But our Government wants a quick solution and the “special interest groups” are “influencing” certain individual members of Congress to make sure their votes enable that to occur.

            Just another fine example of this Throwaway Society we have become.

          • Deb Curtis Olivas

            Not for the reasons you think .

          • savinghorses2

            No. They dont. The Reanchers are told to leave the horses alone. Where the horses are the ranchers like Borba bait trapped them .

          • Lehane

            We have a similar problem with our wild horses in Australia. Imo birth control is the answer, seems our governments have put that in the too hard basket. They cull our beautiful brumbies by shooting them from the air in a helicopter. Advocates are fighting hard to stop the next planned cull.

          • Judy Gaddis

            I have a long time cyber friend who lives in Victor Harbor but used to live in Adelaide and she has told me of this. She shares in yours and my disgust with the “too difficult” excuse when it comes to any type of birth control efforts.

          • longtimehorsewoman

            No, the wild horses are not the largest group going to slaughter. TB’s, QH’s and Paints are.

          • Minneola

            Actually, they are seeking to greatly reduce the population of wild horses. But, are we going to quibble over which numbers are greater? Since wild horses are not stained with drugs, it makes them more desirable for sale for consumption purposes.

          • savinghorses2

            Actually many of them have been vaccinated preparation for adoption did that. As well there needs to be an independent assessment done without proslaughters advise to determine realistic solutions

          • Deb Curtis Olivas

            What is the better way ? Everyone wants to save the horses , but nobody has the answers .

          • Minneola

            So, do we just throw up our hands and say “forget about it?” There are answers out there but not enough effort for make it happen. And, that is the fault of humans who put more interest in their own existence than in those of the animals that they are to protect.

          • Deb Curtis Olivas

            Everyone says there are answers , but in the meantime there are 10sof 1000s of wild horses in sth and lth costing millions that our gov. can’t afford .
            I dont like slaughter any better than anyone else, but I can face the harsh realities .

          • savinghorses2

            There is a harsh reality. Pro slaughter has to quit making up lies, castrate and feed their own and leave solutions to Real Horsepeople

        • Larry Ensor

          “The practice is not responsible animal husbandry”

          I don’t entirely disagree. But IMO this is where the term. word paradox comes into play.

          For as long as animals of any kind have been domesticated they have been called, referred to, looked at as “livestock”. Purpose breed, raised and sold for one’s livelihood. That includes horses. Just about all “livestock” has/had a predetermined live span depending on its end use. By and large that used to include horses.

          For 1000s of years the majority of horses were considered beasts of burden. As long as they could carry their load, were useful for their intended purpose. Be it plowing a field, pulling a cart or transport they were well looked after by use of “responsible animal husbandry”. No different than pigs, cows or chickens.

          Once a horse is not able to fulfill it intended purpose the majority were disposed of. Their remains used for a number of other products. No different than any other livestock. Of all livestock horses have the longest life span. It would be absurd to think that horses should be the exception. It just not possible in the real world of things. Not my feelings just stating the how it works in the real world of things.

          I didn’t write the “rules” I just understand them and don’t begrudge those who feel differently. Have to feel differently, have to be realistic about how they run their “livestock” business.

          ” horses do suffer; it is not a peaceful ending.”

          Again I don’t disagree by and large. But IMO and EXPERIENCE there is absolutely no reason they can not have a “peaceful ending”. See my comment below to RRAINE. Humane euthanasia can be had, should be available to all responsible horse owners. But it does cost some money.

          Unfortunately there are a lot of cheap schmucks who own horse that are too cheap to do the right thing. They would rather take the last $100 off the horse’s table and sell to kill buyers. They in turn sell to slaughter houses. I am not talking about sending a horse to slaughter. But banning slaughter in this country does not serve the feel good purpose that people seem to think it does. I and others have given the reasons.

          People that support the continued ban on domestic horse slaughter need to wake up and smell the coffee. Educate themselves so they can vote with an educated conscience not their uneducated hearts.

          • TwoBays

            We have plenty of education. And to that end, we know that supplanting responsible actions with an irresponsible “solution” is never the answer.

          • Larry Ensor

            What exactly is your idea of the solution? What is your educated answer? No snark intended. One horse per breeder? People that breed horses should be required to look after their welfare from cradle to grave? All the “surplus” horses should be “warehoused”? Open the gate and let them run free?

            If everyone went vegetarian where will all the cows go? People’s back yard, zoos?

            Please share you educated thoughts and suggestions. Because all I have read is “no slaughter”. I think I have made it clear that I feel the same. But don’t group human euthanasia with slaughter.

            It is gut wrenching to have to put down a horse with a life ending medical issue. It’s gut wrenching when I have to “play god” . It get wrenching having to put down a horse that has a expensive medical condition. That may or may not be saved by spending a fortune on surgery and after care.

            My comments are based on the reality of things. The reality of the business of horses. The vast majority of people that own or have owned a horse did not bred it. They do not come out of a mare ready for a saddle. Not every horse bred will be suitable for its intended purpose.

            The vast majority of horses come from people who are in the business of horses. Market forces dictate EVERYTHING and if a business owner does not follow them carefully they will be out of business in short order. I didn’t write the rules.

            I wish we all lived in a perfect world. But we don’t and we never will.

            I look after a bunch of pasture pets. It’s not cheap. I wish I had the financial were for all to take on more. It costs around $1,200 to $1,500 a year per horse for basic care of a non stalled horse. Bar a major vet issue. The cost of the land they are standing on and the grass growing under their feet does not come free and is not included in the above. number.

          • billy

            Larry I agree with your comment and the answer is simple, put your animal to rest with respect and dignity whether it be buissness decision or moral decision and this must be done for the simple fact of we have alot of schmucks involved in the horse world and it is simply what can that horse do for me nothing else and make this standard procedure, if you can afford a horse you can afford their death. It is quality of life not quantity were all born to die every living thing slaughter is not a viable solution it is an excuse and another way for the horse to be exploited and for the people involved to make money, seems as if even the death has to be buissness oriented shameful

          • Lehane

            Well said.

      • savinghorses2

        The market collapse is over. Get on with it. That was 2006 this is 2017. Grow up

        • Larry Ensor

          if that’s you take away from my comment it seems clear to me you are so caught up in your own agenda you can’t see the trees from the forest. Using an ad hominem makes for a very week rebuttal.

          Using your real name and giving some back ground would bring a lot more to the table and credence.

          • Cardaddy

            Excellent response, as many posters on here look at this issue through a straw. They either dont own, race or breed horses. They are move by emotion and not facts.

          • savinghorses2

            We live in Illinois and your straw theory is really ignorance on your part. We own a herd of 175. We don’t slaughter, we handle train, show professiomally, sell and maintain our horses. We have a great deal of family that ranch out West and we All have accumulated Championships in our own right. We are well known also for my grandfather beating beaten in the Dekalb Illinois plant for saving 5 horses that were stolen from our neighbor. So you sir, hold a piece of straw. I SPENT MY entire life in the Horse Industry started in the tracks, moved to Gaited, went to the Jamboree a number of Times left when I realized there was too much abuse, the Big Lick was outed. I went into stock horses and my grandfather and his family were friends with Hank Wisecamp and many others so our first horses read like Journals pages themselves. I also won a Cutting event where I beat Duquette slaughters leader. I have been against horse slaughter for decades. Nope sir it’s your straw.

          • Cardaddy

            My post is accurate, as MOST posters here do NOT have anywhere near the wealth of experiance you have, or myself (I wont go into my 40+years in TB horsr industry as you so well did) and very few if any own ranches or farms to board and care for a horse for the next 15-20 years. So yes, my straw theory of viewpoint is accurate. Every horse in the USA can not be cared for their entie life. Its numerically and physically unattainable. And the majority of posts hear are emotional and not realistic or fact based.

          • savinghorses2

            Bull. There’s people who own 4 or 5 recreational horses that have more working horse knowledge, show, handle horses proficient and have the cahoonas to bury their animals with a backhoe. Because a person owns one horse doesn’t mean they know less than slaughter people. In fact, I can name about 35 1 horse owners who have more knowledge than scientists studying horses. I know a pair of Drs that own 2 Morgan’s that wrote the book on how to breed and they are Veterinarians and they Never breed yet wrote the book. There’s no sense in your statement that horse owners are all idiots then there’s the your wealthy jab. I know horse slaughter sees everyone with money as elitist.Did you ever consider people actually work for The I income and carefully care for it so they help the World. No, just a jab. I put my background so you know i. Not going to take your know it all now beating on stupid horse owners. Pay to bury your horse, have them renedered, but slaughter is A antiquated Industry that needs put down itself once and for all. If these people you talk about weren’t horse owners then what? Educate people, I SPENT MY life teaching better care, give a hand up to the industry.

          • Cardaddy

            You are so full of yourself with that bragging diatrabe and bloviation about how much you know and do but you just dont get it, hence your handle. Not everyone is so fortunate to live on ranches and farms as you so pointedly made(numerous times) so as to care for (20 yrs or more) and then bury that horse. Your head is in the sand and you one of the people I spoke about on my original post. You look through your own straw. BULL

          • savinghorses2

            Sorry I don’t own a ranch. Our stock is dived between family members all of us who train. I grew up near the plant I knew every killer by name, I nlknew most of the people that had stolen horses and I know a lot more about the truth of it that you will ever know its over. SLAUGHTER needs closed. People habe suffered enough.

          • Larry Ensor

            I have basically been saying the same thing. But you have read into it what you want to read into. You have become blinded by you self sense of superiority. You repeated posts of “I know everything” the rest of you know nothing doesn’t help your cause or the “cause” in general.

            Reminds me of my youth of the early 70s and the protest movement. Our intentions were certainly well founded, But got lost in our own self interest, damn everyone else, down with the older generation diatribe.

          • savinghorses2

            Does t help? That’s funny I pushed the 2006 Dekalb closure into action. It’s closed, i pushed for Industry changes they are now the standard norm. I push for banning horse slaughter after they stripped language stopping it in 2011 and I keep going. So you don’t have to like it, I just do what gets the job done. Besides my posts are NOT TO YOU. THERE TO A PARTICULAR HORSE SLAUGHTER NUT AND HE READS THEM AND GETS THE POINT.

          • longtimehorsewoman

            You are correct. People who believe there is or will be a home for every unwanted horse are responding from what they WANT to believe. But there are not enough people to take them all in. The question I ask these people is “how many horses have YOU taken in?” The answer is very often 0, with the excuse they can’t afford it, they don’t own land, etc. And those are valid reasons. Somehow it is supposed to be someone ELSE’S job to rescue these horses. Well most people have the same valid reasons. And people who think we have “banned” slaughter do not realize – or want to block out the fact that US horses are being shipped to Canada and Mexico and are still being slaughtered. I have 7 horses and it’s all I can afford to take care of. There is not a home for the vast numbers of horses who are unwanted. And there are more unwanted horses every year. The real issue for me is that slaughter be humane – and that could be done, but of course it would time, effort, and money.

          • Larry Ensor

            Thank you. It’s the same point I have been trying to make. But you were more concise.

            As I have said in several comments there are small businesses that cater to end of life for what ever the owners reasons. A reasonable fee is charged. The horses are not sent to slaughter houses.

            Seems to me this maybe a future small business growth industry.

          • savinghorses2

            You have no idea how many homes there are wanting horses but the killers buy healthy and destroy them all. Rescues are buying and rehoming quickly and can do more if they had to not pay unrealistic prices to save them. The Unwanted horse theory was Invented in Illinois. The jerk that created it was a Veterinarian and when we told him no one wanted slaughter then he said if a horse is for sale it’s simply Unwanted. No some people make a living selling stock and they avoid horse slaughter so it kisses me off when people use the Unwanted term.

          • Judy Gaddis

            I speak from a 25 year horse owner’s point of view — just to clarify MY comments…

          • savinghorses2

            I am a Professional Horse Trainer the handle is from my Grandfather COLES vanity plate. He was a famous shoer for decades and the moniker stands for healthy hooves saving horses and the 2 is bc 1 was taken. I had donated millions to help people with hay boarding and resources in the economic downturn, We bales and donated 20,000 hay bales in 3 states. We aren’t a rescue. We are trainers. We are AQHA, APHC, APHA AND CONGRESS NATIONAL AND WORLD CHAMPIONS. I posted the get over the recession comment bc the rebound was 8 years ago and this isn’t about that period of timeouts about today.

          • longtimehorsewoman

            I wouldn’t brag about being QH and APH breeders and showers. It is well known that the American Quarter Horse Association is pro slaughter. It is well known that QH and Paint breeders send their “culls” to slaughter.

          • savinghorses2

            I am AQHA and I had been leading the AQHA rebellion amount our horse lovers to reduce breeding since before 2000. Best horses bred only and in small numbers. I know they are staunch slaughter I also have fought them since the 80s while winning and showing publicly regarding destroying wild horses which they hate. I also outed the Paint people in the 1980s with the help of AQHA for their killing of non colorful goals to make it appear all paints were born colorful. I fought and won the argument to register solids and allow them to show in all three BREEDS to prove uses for them. I also fought to bring colorful apps back, fought for DNA tests to prove what your buying is the REAL thing. Stopping breeders from claiming a certain stud of higher quality produced horses it did not. I fought to out the Impressive blood issue and led the argument for more banned equipment that stops abusers. Many other battles I won’t mention. My career regardless of my BREEDS lady enabled me to change the Entire Industry for the better. AQHA owners by the thousands defected because they oppose horse slaughter. Breeders reduced populations so do not say my BREEDS are an issue. When I fought for changes were you there by my side arguing these issues helping horses changing lives? No. So shut up and let’s save All the BREEDS shall we?

          • Larry Ensor

            Well done, so why are you reluctant to use your real name?

          • savinghorses2

            Do you know how many calls I get for training, public speaking, interviews, breeding, etc already.? When I posted my actual name it not only went through the roof but I also received calls from people wanting to change my stance on horse slaughter. I won’t I am against it. Most people can guess who I really am by my description , vocalizations and writing style not to mention my famous family and the Dekalb incident where they beat my grandfather. My family name or money what I have earned has Nothing to do with my position in horse slaughter. I started out dirt poor, old rickety pickup and tin can horse trailer with the greatest horses that my Grandfather had access to I broke off and started my own program with an old barn I tore down moved and rebuilt with a backhoe and bun h of friends I paid in beer, my first stalls were gates only. Man were those the days. I was hungry and I wanted to grow the Industry so I used my hard times and good times and I met and knew all the traders, here’s another clue my Grandfather named them killer buyers during a fight over a horse in the 80s when he coined the term calling nothing but killers….kill buyers. He hated their trade. I am not in this fight for myself, no credit. No money, no fame, just to literally stop slaughter and save horses lives

          • Larry Ensor

            “I posted the get over the recession comment bc the rebound was 8 years ago and this isn’t about that period of timeouts about today.

            I suggest you take a step back from your computer, take a breath, take the time to read and comprehend thoroughly before putting fingers to key board.

            Because the “recession” and it was hardly a “recession” part of my comment was just a very small part of the point I was trying to make. A bit silly and shorted sighted to focus on that part.

          • savinghorses2

            Ok. I’m riding Colts today. I’m actually in the saddle as we speak. So understand only this. I don’t care what part of a comment disturbs you. Trailer loads of abused horses are still dying daily. Your comments are simply aimed at me. They should be aimed elsewhere. I’m going to train this Colt and focus on stopping trailers from hauling horses to die.

      • Ivan John Skibinsky

        Your absolutely correct!

      • Smithereens

        The market isn’t big enough to support the kind of localized horse slaughtering you’re thinking of. That’s why, when the business was last legal in the US, there were only three plants (two in TX, one in IL). Second point, it’s not quick. Third point, it’s not humane euthanasia. Horses aren’t given the needle at slaughter houses, which is the most human euthansia, followed by a clean shot to the head. Horses in slaughterhouses are stunned by captive bolt. This doesn’t kill them; the intent is to render them unconscious, but it doesn’t do that automatically. Go to youtube and watch videos of the process. You’ll see plenty of them kicking on the chain when they’re hoisted up to have their throats cut. They kick after their throats are cut, too. Watch the video.

        That’s why captive bolt + being hoisted by one leg + getting their throats cut does not equal humane euthanasia.

        But you’re learning. Right?

        • Accurate info
          they do it that way so they bleed out. And for the peanut gallery yes I have seen it with my own two eyes. And it gets worse, when people are around that daily they seem to loose there respect for other life or get boored or something and start doing things that could be considered torture. I could be very specific but it was so bothersome to me I don’t want to dredge those visuals and fellings up. I had about decided not to comment but thre are things that need to be said

          • Larry Ensor

            All very true. IMO the powers that be that have the power to write the rules and regs of the slaughter industry should be required to see with their own eyes also.

          • billy

            Good point

    • Ivan John Skibinsky

      Their being shipped out of the country to be slaughtered instead.

  • Lori Brown

    Please always post who voted which way. Always. Always.

    • Nicole R.

      Lori, as posted above…
      From Stephanie McKaughan:

      Roybal-Allard/Dent Amendment Vote Break Down (briefly – running to another meeting can add states in later)

      Yays (25) (democrats unless noted)
      Aguilar, Bishop, Cartwright, Clark, DeLauro, Dent (R, PA), Joyce (R, OH), Kaptur, Kilmer, Lee, Lowey, McCollum, Meng, Pingree, Pocan, Price, Quigley, Rooney (R, FL), Roybal-Allard, Ruppersberger, Ryan, Serrano, Visclosky, Wasserman-Schultz, Yoder (R, KS)

      Nays (27) (republicans unless noted)
      Aderholt, Amodei, Calvert, Carter, Cole, Cuellar (D, TX), Culberson, Diaz-Balart, Fleishmann, Fortenberry, Frelinghuysen, Granger, Graves, Harrus, Herrera Beutler, Jenkins, Moolenaar, Newhouse, Palazzo, Roby, Rogers, Simpson, Stewart, Taykor, Valadao, Womack, Young.

    • TwoBays

      There were 27 members of Congress who voted against the bipartisan amendment offered by Reps. Lucille Roybal-Allard, D-Calif., and Charlie Dent, R-Pa., to bar horse slaughter operations in the United States, and 25 who supported it.

  • Kathryn R Wilt

    NO. I want to see the membership and the voting on this. Please, please publish it.

    • Nicole R.

      From Stephanie McKaughan:

      Roybal-Allard/Dent Amendment Vote Break Down (briefly – running to another meeting can add states in later)

      Yays (25) (democrats unless noted)
      Aguilar, Bishop, Cartwright, Clark, DeLauro, Dent (R, PA), Joyce (R, OH), Kaptur, Kilmer, Lee, Lowey, McCollum, Meng, Pingree, Pocan, Price, Quigley, Rooney (R, FL), Roybal-Allard, Ruppersberger, Ryan, Serrano, Visclosky, Wasserman-Schultz, Yoder (R, KS)

      Nays (27) (republicans unless noted)
      Aderholt, Amodei, Calvert, Carter, Cole, Cuellar (D, TX), Culberson, Diaz-Balart, Fleishmann, Fortenberry, Frelinghuysen, Granger, Graves, Harrus, Herrera Beutler, Jenkins, Moolenaar, Newhouse, Palazzo, Roby, Rogers, Simpson, Stewart, Taykor, Valadao, Womack, Young.

      • TwoBays

        I think you have that backwards; generally, Rs are FOR slaughter and Ds are against:

        “…“As a lifelong Republican, I’m deeply saddened and quite ashamed to see my fellow conservatives go to such great lengths to promote the slaughter of American equines,” said Marty Irby, who heads the HSUS equine campaign. “I hope the members who profess to be fiscal conservatives will reflect upon this vote that would have saved millions of taxpayer dollars annually – and begin to practice what they preach.”…”

        • NMBird

          I called the 3 Republicans on the Committee and the one from VA….that staff tried to shunt me over to my “representative” who wasn’t on either committee…I blew my top…Told her she wasn’t going to pass me along and that this was a NATIONAL issue…
          The Taylor guy from VA…you know, Viriginia “horse country” and all that…
          I also called Diaz-Balart and Frelinghuysen (the guy whose buddy, sitting on the board of a bank in Frelinghuysen’s district, fired a woman when he saw that she had volunteered on a local campaign that wasn’t for a Republican. Know this creep from my life in Jersey…it’s a real old family in Jersey politics.

    • TwoBays

      “…Reps. Robert Aderholdt, R-Ala., Tom Cole, R-Okla., and Mark Amodei, R-Nev. also favored horse slaughter in the debate today. To their credit, Reps. Roybal-Allard, Dent, Sanford Bishop, D-Ga., Barbara Lee, D-Calif, and Debbie Wasserman Schultz, D-Fla., spoke in favor of the ban on U.S. horse slaughter….”

  • This is why I am so violently opposed to horse abuse and slaughter, my FB friends. I have stood in protests outside where they kill horses here in Quebec. What I saw and heard still gives me nightmares today. Horses come here wounded and bleeding. They aren’t fed as they wait to die. And they don’t die humanely. Under current Canadian law, horses must wait for 3 months before they’re slaughtered. By opening up horse slaughter in the USA, the attack on slaughter houses here will be eased. If you love horses, please speak for them. And keep on doing it.

    • Larry Ensor

      IMO every breeder, potential breeder should be required to take a “tour” before being granted a “license” to breed. A moral license. Regardless of the breed. Quarter horse breeders especially.

      Unlike dogs, cats, etc horse live a LONG time. A pasture pet can be expensive and time consuming to look after.

      I am by no means advocating to shutting down, limiting the business of breeding. The majority of TB breeders are not hands on. They never develop a connection like those of us who are hands on and feel responsible for their well being. We brought them into the world.

      Boarding breeders see, interact with there horses on a very limited bases. They interact with their check book far more,lol. Far easier for them to say over the phone, just give the horse away, find it a good home with no questions asked after the fact.

      • billy

        Thats 100 percent truth. I’m glad you get it larry and I applaud you for your fairness its got to be more then a buissness and there’s some people that should just not be allowed in any part of it if its love or money I’m going broke

      • Lehane

        Racing needs to do something about the over-breeding.

        • SteveD

          Not gonna happen.
          Every year there are 3-4 times the number of stallions going to the shed than retiring from it.
          Average books used to be around 50 covers. Now, 150 is common.
          Just think of how many foals AP and CC alone will produce in the next 5 years.
          There is no one with the authority to correct what has become.
          I’m as morally opposed to horse slaughter as possible, but if I were a Congressman, I would be for it. For it is our problem – not Canada and Mexico’s.

          • Larry Ensor

            The “average” stallion, be it in KY or anywhere else does not cover 150 mares. No where near that. I understand your comment but it has little to do with the topic. Water seeks its own level. It doesn’t matter what the size of the TB foal population is in any given year. When it comes to racing and breeding there has and will always be an “end of use” issue. Regardless of the stallion. The annual TB foal crop is less than half its all time peak. But that hasn’t changed the end of use issues because we are still talking about it.

            IMO and experience as a person that re-schools, trains TBs for sport or pleasure use, I have found there is a lot more interest, easier to sell, place a horse by a “name” stallion than ones by “who?”. Not that the “who” horse is not a good or better sport or pleasure prospect, They just carry the same “bragging rights”. Human nature.

            I am morally opposed also for the same reason you have given and ones I have given.

          • SteveD

            Thank you Larry..
            I have learned a lot from you and appreciate all of your comments!

          • billy

            Larry your a smart man who’s been at this a long time so I have to ask with the end of use issue, why would someone just not put their animal down with proper death after all that the animal has done for them, why is slaughter choosen over proper death knowing the inhumanity involved

          • Larry Ensor

            Thanks but I’m not that smart. If I was I would have not gone into the difficult insecure business of horses. lol

            IMO because they are cheap SOBs. Why pay several hundred dollars when there are kill buyers that will give $100. It was much more before the ban. What used to be called, referred to as the ” Up Set Price” seen in the front of TB auction sales catalogs was set, determined by the “kill market”. The major sales companies did this so kill buyers wouldn’t snap up cheap horses going through the ring.

            But there was nothing to stop them from going to the seller after horse did’t sell above the Up Set price. Most horses are sold through an agent, consignor. If somebody approaches the consignor offering X amount of money they are supposed to contact the owner and ask if they want to sell for the offer. I would bet most non hands on owners took the offer. Either take $300-400 or take the horse back to the farm and continue to write boarding checks for a lot more each month.

            It was not lost on the consignor/agent what that “buyer” was going to do with the horse/s. But they are bound by law to contact the owner. The consignor/agents I worked for back in the day didn’t make that “call”. The owner/s would never know anyway.

          • billy

            My knowledge on the buissness side is lacking severly it’s something I know little about or have looked into much so I thank you for sharing that

          • Larry Ensor

            Interesting that my comment was deleted. First time this has happened and I have been commenting off and on pretty much since day one.

            My reply to;

            “why would someone just not put their animal down with proper death after all that the animal has done for them”

            IMO because they are cheap s * b. Didn’t think that widely used acrony is a delete-able offence, lol

            A bit silly Ray

            Don’t see how the rest of my comment that explained how the “Up Set price” that was once found on the first page of a sales catalog came into use to keep kill buyers from buying horses is a delete-able offence either.

            I’m done with this thread.

          • billy

            Reword and repost Larry it happens silly or not, but I do agree other then being educational and truthful idk what you said wrong.

          • billy

            So we’re all aware of the problem and this is the only solution, yup sounds like America take the easy way out

        • Larry Ensor

          As I said to Steve below. The annual TB foal crop is less than half of its all time high. But we are still talking about end of use issues. Like it or not regardless of the breed, a breeder has to breed in “numbers”. I don’t see how anyone that wants, needs to stay in the business of breeding can do it any other way.

          When I breed say 5 mares I sure as heck hope that everyone is a cracker jack. Will be commercially appealing and all will sell for more than my production costs. If they sell at all. The same with mares bred for a home bred racing program. Anybody that wants to race 1 home bred and only breeds one mare is hoping to catch lightening in a bottle.

          Unfortunately nature doesn’t provide, play by our rules, hopes. Any fiscally responsible breeder knows this. I clearly stated my worse nightmare as a breeder and its not about losing money.

          Even if racing was reduced to needing just 100 horses a year to fill the starting gates. 200 to 300+- will still need to be bred. 1 in 10 most likely will not be up to the task. 5 in 20 won’t show enough talent to warrant the expense of getting them to the starting gate etc. So there has to be a “back up” to draw from.

          This is the dynamics the reality of the sport horse world, racing or any other type of sport horse competition.

          • Judy Gaddis

            There isn’t a breed out there that isn’t guilty of overbreeding by man. I don’t care if it is a Thoroughbred race horse or a Percheron,

            I knew a man once (a very well known tv sports reporter in the DC/MD area) who bred only tobiano paint horses. If a mare had a foal without what he considered “sellable coloration” the foal was immediately euthanized. At the time I thought that was despicable (I still think it’s horrible) but at least that foal never grew up and ended up in a kill pen just because he didn’t meet someone ELSE’S expectations somewhere down the line when he was older.

            I am uncertain what a viable solution may be or how to get the attention of these breeder’s but I will NEVER support horse slaughter and I’ll bet 99% of the people posting here would NEVER eat a piece of horse meat should it be on the menu of even the most prestigious restaurant and/or they perhaps hadn’t eaten in days and someone offered it up to them for FREE.

          • savinghorses2

            Clydesdale nearly extinct due to slaughter. The Lipazzaner isn’t over bred. Paso Dinos nearly wiped out as Columbian breeding caught hold, Cleveland Bays nearly extinct shall I go on. They have been careful when breeding.

          • billy

            That’s the problem with sport horse competition, it’s to much about natural ability when no horse is born with the abilities to race or proform competitively it is something that has to be trained into them stride length or stride frequency only 2 ways to be faster on legs human or animal why do we not have some longer races to where a horse that is not blessed with outright speed could still proform personally I just don’t think there are enough options in the horse racing world it can’t continue to be breed 10 and only 2 make it and it seriously has to get away from being all about money that’s ruining every sport I don’t think horses or the people that are racing them have enough options and choices to sustain what we have at the moment high end market is killing the small market if you look at the world as a whole were doing the same thing and it’s only causing problem after problem we need races other then all out sprints or classic distance either way it’s speed dependent how bout some longer slower races give horses and humans a better chance

          • savinghorses2

            Japan is breeding less mares and genetically picking winners to reproduce and hey you can always clone secretariat and your all a winner with no overbreeding.

  • billy

    This is nothing short of a pathetic excuse for irresponsible people plain n simple same with dogs and cats and what is done with the thousands we as people have created and abandoned its the most shameful thing a person can do send a living creature to their death for lack of morality and responsibility not to mention the most unamerican thing I have ever heard, do people even realize what the horse has done for mankind we would not have the world we live in today without the horse the horse has provided us and has taken care of us for thousands of years fears of American history would have been unattainable if it wasn’t for this majestic creature do I have the answer no I do not but I am aware of the problem and why it exists it is simply up to us as people we have basically no need for the horse in modern day society but that in no way should make them a commodity they are highly intelligent highly emotional creatures with their own language social structure, they are honest willing forgiving loyal the worst horse is better then the best person imo just for the simple fact of they are pure purer then anything we know in the world today we’ve made the biggest mistake we could as human being by placeing a dollar value on these animals thats where it all starts, I am of the for most opinion that horses suffer more then any other creature we have when looking at the big picture we’ve asked for them not the other way around so it’s about time we stand for them as they have done everything we have ever asked if them, I mean a horse will kill itself for you if you ask it too there is not many creatures period that would do that. STAND UP FOR THE HORSE

    • Grampo

      The second sentence in that two sentence diatribe was. “Stand up for the horse”. (I agree). The first one was everything before it. Just thought I’d point that out

      • wmk3400

        Grampo, billy’s a stand-up guy whose heart is in the right place. Look at it this way, one very long run-on sentence helps a non-typist. No need for caps.

      • billy

        If your trying to insult me I’d sure hope that you would bring more to the table then this

        • Minneola

          Let it roll off. Not worth another second of thought. For those of us who have read your posts, we tend to be in your camp on so many issues.

          • billy

            It’s hard I’m lost idk how to fight this fight, read the comments its dishearting what some people feel is ok, for everything the horse has done for their people for the world to have their life end this way is just wrong, a horse is considered property correct and you can do what you please with your property right well why wouldn’t you just shoot your horse and bury it instead of making the horse have to go through what they do for a couple hundred bucks I mean seriously is a couple hundred dollars that important to not do the right thing, add in the fact of what the kill buyers are doing exploiting horses for bleeding hearts basically giving them a death sentence and saying hey it up to you to save this horse or he’s going to slaughter, people will bail the horse and three more will take their place I’ve seen this all first hand and there’s just no reason for it

          • savinghorses2

            Call your Senators ask them to DEFUND HORSE SLAUGHTER FOR 2018 AND KEEP PROTECTIONS FOR BLM HORSES. GO TO STRAIGHT FROM THE HORSES HEART BLOG FOR MORE IMOORTANT DETAILS ABOUT WHAT YOU CAN DO TO HELP

          • billy

            The man I work for his brother is a state senator here in pa and he’s a horse owner I am trying to organize a meeting with him to share my views and knowledge and thank you for your comments and making things for and about the horse, that’s the way it should be with any living being

          • savinghorses2

            Call and leave a message about Defunding even before your meeting. It’s all happening now. The Senate panel will Vote soon. Its critical to keep calling and then in person it will have a deeper impact

          • billy

            Thanks

          • Minneola

            Good connection to have. Your work supervisor may also have enough knowledge about politics (because of his brother), that he might be able to guide you toward others who may, also, be able to help this need..

          • billy

            Not work supervisor, company owner but I see what your getting at.

          • Minneola

            Btw, billy, there is a more recent story about this on this site. The HSUS and their stand on this. You might want to take a peak at it. One step forward…. many more to go.

        • wmk3400

          billy, I’ll second Minneola. Your passion is totally cool an we get it. Don’t get so upset about online postings. Don’t take yourself too seriously. Laugh at it. That’s all you can do.

          • billy

            Your wrong man and I can’t help it . this is reality this is happening as we speak, I’m sorry I can’t just sit back and let thousands upon thousands of animals have the worst death imaginable especially after they have given their life for us and anything else that we have asked for them, when you own animals or share your life with them regardless how you do not give that animal a respectable death is beyond my recognition imo it comes down to money once again so instead of spending some money to give your animal a respectable death they are sold to make money that is the ethics of the world we live in and the most downright rotten part about it is people will find this as an acceptable answer it Sure shows

          • Minneola

            Billy, I have often found that when I get so upset about something, the best cure is to start doing something about it. It helps release frustration. Just that one step is often all that it takes to get one calmed down as well as focused on the end result. Truly, make an appointment to see your member of Congress and have a heart-to-heart talk with that individual. You have passion, billy, and that speaks volumes! But, don’t wait. Start some action today. Just point your feet in the direction that you need to go towards and you may be in for a big surprise. Never underestimate your abilities. Sure, you may have a setback or a disappointment, once in a while, but look toward where you want to end up and you might just find yourself far further along than what you ever dreamed of achieving.

          • billy

            I’ve been organiz ing what I have to present to my congressmen the he’ll with how I feel or what I think I’m going to need more then just my opinion and I’m aware of that, so I do plan on sharing my feelings but information and knowledge are key to change. As far as myself goes the lady I wish to reach out to is quite busy and I respect that but I will be seeking her services for my dog and I plan to speak with her then an even trade work for knowledge because she’s one of the best and has nothing but the best interest of horses in mind work towards my desires daily.

          • Minneola

            Great start, billy! Doing something is better that what too many do: sit, complain, whine, and that’s about it! Just one step at a time. Imagine what a difference it would make if everyone did that “one” little step. In the meantime, I’ve contacted the HSUS and asked them to send out this information to their HUGE mailing list of supporters who can, then, participate in a mailing campaign with their elected officials. That may help drive some numbers where it will end up at the desk of those who vote. That organization knows how to campaign a cause.

          • wmk3400

            Hey billy, can we be friends? I didn’t think I’d upset you. I don’t want to take anything away from what you believe in. In fact I more or less agree with you. Perhaps you didn’t ask for the advise that I was giving but I was only trying to help. Peace.

          • savinghorses2

            Calling Congressmen and women with your passion to save horses will help. Call them call Legislators and Repz. Remember Its Congress whose in charge. We can change this for the horses. Join I the Fight to Stop this. Be the voice on the phone calling Congress to stop it.

          • Lehane

            No need to patronise billy. Not only does he have his heart and mind in the right place, billy says it as it is, he speaks the truth. I look forward to reading his comments which are well tempered, intelligent, knowledgeable and admire his open mind when he listens to other commenters here who do not have the same view as him.
            As I’ve said before on the PR, it’s what a person says that’s important, not incorrect grammar/spelling.

          • wmk3400

            I didn’t or at least that wasn’t my intent and I’m sorry you have that impression. In fact if you read my first comment to him I said exactly what you did.

          • Lehane

            I appreciated your first comment. Your second comment came across as patronising and making light of billy’s fight for these horses going to slaughter. If that wasn’t your intent, then that’s good. Unless I missed another of your comments, I didn’t see anything in what you’ve said that indicates that you’re against horse slaughter.

        • Lehane

          Oh, so well said.

      • Minneola

        Grampo: What you may call a “diatribe” is your perception. To others, such as myself, I see “passion” and for the topic, at hand, how can anyone not have passion to protect these horses? I understood billy quite well and that is all that is needed for communication — at least, for most people.

        • billy

          Diatribe..a forceful and bitter verbal attack against someone or something…. Is that what you believe this is some rant ,no sir this is compassion there is no one to blame but the human race period its out fault not the horses

          • Minneola

            Billy, please take another look. I was defending you. Grampo called it a diatribe, not me.

          • billy

            I’m sorry I must have hit the wrong button

          • Minneola

            Yep. Kind of figured that. That’s okay.

        • Ivan John Skibinsky

          Instead you allow them to be shipped to Canada, Mexico and other countries to be slaughtered! You’re a phoney jerk!

          • Minneola

            Oh, my sweet love and deranged fellow. I never have never allowed any of these horses to be shipped out of the country. Take your obvious and delusional aggression elsewhere.

          • Ivan John Skibinsky

            Your country does idio! You are also responsible for allowing horses from your country to be slaughtered outside the country. You are what’s called a hypocrite, like it or not. Typical leftist phoney.

          • TwoBays

            Uh, no … she is not, and neither am I, responsible for sending any horse, much less plural, out of the country to face a horrible end. But go ahead and scream at everyone on here, whether you know anything about them or not. We can henceforth ignore the misplaced anger.

          • Ivan John Skibinsky

            Your like the bad neighbour who dumps trash on your next door neighbours yard, than brags how clean yours is.

          • billy

            Your like the guy who blames everyone for their problems but you have the same ones

          • Ivan John Skibinsky

            The only problem I have is a bad neighbour who’s dumping his problems on me. Go ahead and pretend you’re a horse lover when you’re only shipping them off somewhere else to be slaughtered, that’s the truth like it or not.

          • billy

            It is just the country I live in but yes I agree we’re being very bad neighbors but your just as wrong for allowing that to continue 2 wrongs don’t make a right bud it’s going to take you and I and thousands more like it I’m ready for that battle are you I don’t dream I don’t wish I don’t pretend sorry, my horse will be laid to rest peacefully and respectfully because I don’t believe in any other way I’d put a bullet in all my animals if it was the best thing for them thankfully I’ve yet to have to do that I’ve been lucky enough to have them pass away peacefully with no suffering

          • Ivan John Skibinsky

            Blah,Blah, Blah, phoney !

          • billy

            Shhhh your ignorance is showing

          • savinghorses2

            The horses being shipped by deplorable killer buyers are responsible for horses going out of the Country no one else. They abuse horses by loading them up to carry them out of the country to abusive plants. That’s pro horse slaughters own fault. The Intended consequence was to blame everyone else instead of ProHorse slaughter. It’s their own fault. ProHorse Slaughter ships these horses knowing it’s abuse from start to finish

          • Lehane

            Your government gives its stamp of approval.

          • Ivan John Skibinsky

            That is still no excuse, your still passing your responsibility off on someone else.

          • savinghorses2

            The ProHorse Slaughter industry is solely responsible for mistreatment abusive long distance hauling to other countries. They are solely responsible for the Abuse of these horses and their abusive deaths.

          • Ivan John Skibinsky

            At least in Canada they are humanly put down and have laws to protect from abuse, but they are absolutely torturous in Mexico. So go ahead and delude yourself that you’re doing good!

          • longtimehorsewoman

            Never have never actually means you have. It’s a double negative.

          • Minneola

            Gee, are you having a bad day or too much idle time on your hands? Wow. But, if it will make you happy, I will go back and edit it for just little ole you!

          • Smithereens

            Congress has tried and failed to shut down shipments to slaughter because of opposition from the Farm Bureau, the Cattlemen’s Lobby and horse breeders, who put big $$ in to the political campaigns of red-state politicians cozy with livestock producers. If not for these special interest groups and their lobbying $$, the various bills voted on would have passed, and we would have a ban on slaughter in the US and export to slaughter. Perhaps you can start working to pass them.

          • billy

            Precisely, great comment

        • Judoon

          His poor grammar and nearly complete lack of basic punctuation kill his message. That stuff is important. And I bet he eats meat, so his diatribe really loses it on that one alone.

          • billy

            Please don’t read them then. I have seen enough of your comments to realise you are not perfect using periods instead of commas etc, but just so you are aware I’m on my cell most of the time, and I’ve said a million times my writing skills suck. Yes I do eat meat not much, but grass fed no grain local farmer down the street significant difference. Enjoy your weekend

          • Minneola

            Wow. Guess that grammar is higher up on your priority list than the message. Odd. Most of us understand billy quite well.

    • Ivan John Skibinsky

      Instead you ship your horses outside the country to be slaughtered, destroying their horse industries. So quit pretending to be humanitarians you phoney idiots.

      • billy

        Your country allows this, call your government for me ask for this practice to be banned most of us here in the states are against it, unaware of it, or part of the problem. I’m all for giving your animal a peaceful respectful death and nothing else.

        • savinghorses2

          Ask for Defunding for 2018 so they know what you want stopped. DEFUND HORSE SLAUGHTER

      • savinghorses2

        Whoa. We Never destroyed Our horse industry. Banning slaughter. Brought our Industry up. The recession was an issue but it’s passed. The pro slaughter people lie to drive prices down falsely not the ban. The horse slaughter people needs cheap horses to meet price per pound so they spread propaganda blaming our Country for banning slaughter as the cause. There’s no such truth at all. In fact, stopping it in our country was to close it all yet they developed the idea to drive outside the Country not us. We didn’t make them do it. They are not horse welfare. These killers are not certified, licenced or trained professionally to handle all these horses. In fact they do it all under the radar. They decided to ship outside the Country. No one but them chose that. The ban isn’t a cause or unintended consequence causation these killers are greedy and they packed horses cruelly into trailers and ship them out. No one but themselves are responsible for that horrible choice. That’s not humane or animal welfare it’s abuse. They chose to abuse horses period. Not our Country.

    • Deb Curtis Olivas

      Who is responsible for the over population of Wild/Feral horses ?
      The ones in holding pens , you know the ones nobody adopts ?

      • billy

        We the people are I don’t see assateauge island or chinoteauge island with horse management issues but out on the range the only real problem is the cattle ucaranchers they seem to act like it is their land and have pushed the horse out of their territory Mr lucas with his billion dollars has some pull on politics we cater to the ranchers and forget the horses they just shouldn’t be allowed to eat because their not making anyone money I guess, this is a problem we have created and have overlooked for so long we now have a big delema and the answers are unjust I’m pretty young but the problem should have been dealt with before it got out of hand

        • Deb Curtis Olivas

          The cattle have not pushed out the horses , the cattle are managed , they can not be on an allotment that has been over grazed , they may be on an allotment for 30 days and have to be moved , also the land is checkerboard , the ranchers own land . The ranchers also maintain water wells , which the horses and wildlife use , without them , there is no other water 1st times. T he horses are there 365 .

          • billy

            If the cattle can me managed so can the horses without killing them this is a problem we let get to far so now because of our irresponsibilty as a nation we are trying to negate that with more irresponsibility Idk how we can claim American icon cause we sure are not showing it

          • Deb Curtis Olivas

            Agree , but the horses have not been managed and now there is a crisis , that has no easy answers .

          • savinghorses2

            CRISIS Duwuettes favorite paranoia word. There’s no crisis

          • savinghorses2

            No Bundy is still there. He never left and has never paid his grazing fees millions of dollars owed and many more like him. As well there’s evidence many ranchers have been stocking full years as well. The tall re you make is getting bigger by the Pro SLAUGHTER propaganda.

          • Deb Curtis Olivas

            Who said anything about Bundy ? You need to do some research .

          • savinghorses2

            Your saying Every cattle rancher is upstanding and treats the land respectfully I just provided proof that’s not true.

          • Deb Curtis Olivas

            You provided your opinion .

          • Ivan John Skibinsky

            And you are a phoney who is dumping unwanted horses in Canadian and Mexican slaughter houses. All you have done is ship your problem somewhere else.

          • savinghorses2

            First I have Never sold to SLAUGHTER. Second your name calling Is because any ProHorse Slaughter supporter I have ever met including Duquette can’t think past the pisser in their pants enough to realize it’s them shipping them not Us. We didnt, antislaughter didn’t realize there was a loophole. The other side finds a legal loophole and abusive CHOOSES TO SHIP 10 YRS WORTH OF HORSES TO THEIR DEATHS. I ASSURE YOU THERE’S NOTHING PHONY ABOUT ME. THE TRUTH IS PROHORSE SLAUGHTER BUYS HORSES THEY ACTUALLY DO NOT WANT TO PROFIT SO THEY ARE THE IDIOTS BUYING HORSES THEY CALL UNWANTED….IF THEY DON’T WANT THEM IT DOESN’T Mean other people do not. The facts are horse slaughter is abusive in and outside the USA. Duquette called it necessary evil, his wife was quoted yes it’s cruel but the horses are used….come on…the leaders know its horrible. They were interviewed in 2011 and admitted how they cannot track the abuse. The fact is Pro slaughter for horses is abuse, it’s entire chain of a use was chosen to be followed through by abusers who buy horses They do not want and shift blame on unsuspecting publuc, then they abusively haul, then abusively sell them to plants they know are abusive and in the US it’s Absolutely no different. Your name calling does little more than spur me to out the truth even farther every single day. The abuse is horse slaughter. I didn’t ship, kill buy pen abusivly so don’t pin that garbage on antislaughte r period. The law was to Stop the sale and shipment of abuse and they found a loophole or one was created. Were not at fault. Obama didn’t do it. Senator Kingston and 2 others did in a shady back door deal. Bush closed the door and Kingston removed the languaGe deceitfully then blamed Obama…..this is not anti slaughter who caused this problem horse slaughter did. As far as phoney, son, you come on to Illinois and well throw a saddle on a good horse, well ride and see if your have as good as the teenagers I habe training to be the next generation of great horsemen and women. Well see whose phoney.

          • Ivan John Skibinsky

            I don’t need to go anywhere to ride a ” good horse” . I have excellent ones at home! Yes your a phoney, all you and your nutty cohorts have done is forced your culls to shipped thousands of miles to be slaughtered in a foreign country. So keep pretending your a humanitarian.

          • savinghorses2

            I do not have culls. Which brings me to I am the one that had to again to Duquette what culling was bc he didn’t what it meant. As for your good horse a pat on the back. I am antislaughter. I do not believe in, nor support slaughter of horses, I eat beef, i wanted Bush to close the Borders too so I am not the blame for the shioping. Pro horse slaughter is. I think your not understanding. No one for ed these guys to drive to abuse they Choose it.

          • ziggypop

            That is a complete and utter lie Deb. Cattle is 100% responsible for the sorry state of the over grazing. They are not “managed”.

          • Gordon calhoun

            BLM owns the land, yes? Ranchers are lease and really really low rates.

          • Deb Curtis Olivas

            The land is checkerboard , the ranchers and the BLM own , think of the black and red on the checker board red equals BLM , black equals ranchers , as for low cost , you do realize , the cattle might only be allowed on an allotment for a short time, depending on the condition , if they over stay even one day they are fined heavily . The horses have 365 access .

      • savinghorses2

        BLM is responsible for collections, slaughter is the one calling for their deaths. They need year round continuous adoptions available not a 3 strikes policy. Congress states they are Wild end of story. If there’s feral we will prosecute the abandoning parties one man was prosecuted for having 700 he turned loose on public and tribal lands.

        • Deb Curtis Olivas

          You see everything in black and white , well that is fine , here is some black and white for you to ponder , they have hunting seasons on wild life , for population control.
          People need to think more , so there are less unintended consequences.

          • savinghorses2

            No Deb I have a cell in my hand while I am Cutting with teens learning to ride. So I reduced it to the timeline I have. It’s simple the Bureau needs put of the Loop allow adoptions to be handle by rescues a d adoption groups with a solid history and we can handle your surplus issue. It’s not black and white, it’s bay, sorrel, painted, appy, splash marked. Etc add some colored wild horses back in so future herds are colored up and ban Pro SLAUGHTER from entering the equation or holding pens or public lands if needed.

          • Deb Curtis Olivas

            That simple huh ? Seems that more than a few wild horse rescues have failed , remember how many wild horses there are and now add in the domestics , where are you going to find all these adopters , that so far have not adopted all the horses out there .
            And really you can quit bragging on yourself , I think we all got it .

          • savinghorses2

            Final reply. Den yes a few rescuers have failed but so have Pro slaughter killer buyers caught with 49 dead horses piled in mud, 100 more ematiacted and not enough hay to feed them . Killer Buyers caught slitting puppies throat on FB to send a threat to girlfriend, ematiacted and dead horses dumped in ravine. 30 plus horses burned alive in kill buyer trailer he refused to turn them loose. It goes on and on, your solution of well equipped slaughter buyers to ship horses is ridiculous. There’s A lot of qualified foundations and rescuers who can be vetted for their reliability in placements of adopted horses. Your just using this couple rescuers as an excuse yourself. I’ feel sorry for you thinking that Pro slaughter is remotely a solution it’s not. I hope you did t share with Pro slaughter the address where your horses are because they steal them.

        • Gordon calhoun

          BLM could, yah know, geld the stallions and then release them. Simples birth control in the world…just a thought.

      • ziggypop

        The horses were ONLY removed so ranchers could put cattle, on the cheap, on our lands Cattle outnumber horses 10-1 in many of the HMA areas.

        There has NOT been a credible count of the horses in decades. NO one really knows how many there are.

        After a 2 million dollar National Science study, it was found that the BLM has been massively incompetent when it comes to the horses.

      • ziggypop

        If they were not removed from their lands, to accommodate ranchers, there would not be any in holding, now, would there.

      • billy

        You know the ones nobody adopts, with all due respect most of those horses where living a peaceful existence before we ruined that, you know the 27 yr old stallions and such that have been rounded up and have died because of it, the same 27 yr old that was in better health then most of our 3 and 4 yr old racehorses. I do relise there is an issue but it is one we have created and this is not the answer. We have catered to the beef industry and the ranchers at every turn and set the horse to the wayside

  • L.L. Kauffman

    Hideous.

  • savinghorses2

    This is yet to be voted on by the rest of Congress. Call Congress Every Day and say o horse slaughter restore the ban. This industry is Abusive, Ignores animal qelfare, abandons horses that need healthcare and they feign helpinv the public. There are absolutely no humane forms of euthanasia. These people truck these horses to Mexico and Canada Are As abusive as the plants. The long journey would still exist in America. American plants were in violation and used the same bolt, captive bolt, or shotguns and had the very same inhumane issues in Texas and Illiniis. There is no humane horse slaughter. Period

  • savinghorses2

    Temple Brandon top SLAUGHTER expert in the World said they Violate as soon as her back is turned at horse slaughter plants. Congress needs to listen to real horse people who went through the Devastation. These 20 yr old kids they were 9 when it closed so they didn’t see the Devastation the plants caused.

  • savinghorses2

    CALL CONGRESS. GO TO COLTS WESTERN SHOP FOR WHO TO CALL FB PAGE HAS INFORMATION. MAKE CALLS AGAINST HORSE SLAUGHTER The plants destroy communities, steal horses, environmental issues abound and they employee violent criminals. It brings strange violent people in the communities to buy sell or steal horses, you cannot go to work without wondering if your horses are at home or being brutalized or eaten. We lived near the plant and it was horrifying. THEY forge affidavits of health steal horses you love to kill and they don’t save horses from a slow death they extend it.

    • savinghorses2

      Go to Straight from the Horses Heart Blog and New Mexico Against Horse SLAUGHTER FB and so many more.

  • savinghorses2

    Kill buyers fraudulently place blind ads for horses posing as loving buyers needing family horses. They answer ads buying horses promising kindness and love and kill them. THEY are t concerned with welfare of animals research how many kill buyers are caught 50 animals dead piled in a heap on their land. Starved no healthcare. These animals are not quarateened nor safe for consumption. It’s insanity.

  • savinghorses2

    This is one part of the voting call Congress and ask the to BAN IT..

  • Minneola

    I’m dead set against slaughtering of horses just because there are too many of them. But, I will have to admit that I was surprised when I spoke with a regional director of the SPCA and we got off topic for a moment, and spoke about horses. His comment stunned me. He regretted that the U.S. stopped the slaughtering of horses. I guess he could tell from my reaction, which I didn’t intend to reveal, that this did not sit well with me. So, he continued and stated an opinion that it is far worse for these horses to be starved, squeezed onto trucks (and often in high heat) to be transported hundreds or thousands of miles to even less humane slaughtering conditions. But, in my opinion, humans should be able to make the best decisions that are long-lasting rather than just the quick and dirty. One suggestion but, granted, without figuring out the details: Start a program for all veterinary students and vet techs to gain college/credential credit and start a gelding project unlike anything we have ever seen before. The cost? To heck with the cost. The government wastes far more on less worthy projects.

  • Char Shire

    Slaughter is just that…horrifying barbaric, whinney crying, throat slitting, bloody, aggressive probing thru brains, beating into submission so they can’t respond. Painful beatings with bats to the head, eyes popped out, knees, busted jaws, etc. There is NO compassion, it’s frightening for other horses, etc. to witness. The smell is indescribable. The cries can be heard from afar. There are no boundaries for slaughter houses. BLM is thrilled I bet and that’s a whole other story…another bright idea the government came up with. Slaughter houses don’t care if these animals are pregnant, have young ones with them, if wild or had owners at one time, they don’t care if they’ve ever had tranquilizers, antibiotics, etc….to them it’s all meat and money. Government wants you and I to eat this contaminated mystery meat…if we don’t they will sell it abroad. This goes for any animals that get shipped to slaughter houses. Young and old, it all gets sold. Humane way would be to euthanize them, but then that’s another (possible deadly to humans) medication introduced into the meat…so either way it’s in the meat whether you and I did it for the sake of the wellbeing of the animal or if it gets euthanized. If there’s a large unwanted population of these beautiful animals, it’s mans fault. Professional breeders breed for certain characteristics in a horse, for colors, markings, stature, even for a certain sex. If they don’t get the result they were looking for they dispose of the yearlings. Some private owners do this also. What a waste of these beautiful American Icons. There are thousands of beautiful, well mannered animals just waiting to be taken into a loving home. Horses, burros, donkeys are a large part of what formed America. The wars couldn’t have done what they did without these animals. We wouldn’t be where we are in America today if it weren’t for them. They deserve better. This is barbaric…America the Greatest?? I would like to think so…prove it to us…don’t rush into this. Think about a better way IF you think we have a population problem or need this meat. Push more for adoptions and forever homes, put your money and efforts there first. I want to know WHAT’s in my meat and what country it comes from. LET US CHOOSE if we want to eat chemical induced mystery meat….because I will never eat horse meat….never….not in my most desperate days. There are hundreds of other undomesticated meats to eat. Slaughter sounds like something that OTHER countries do…not here in America. We don’t slaughter animals we care about…not here. America cares about the welfare of animals…so I thought.

  • Rhonda Bolton

    Please God for the sake of the horses allow slaughter to return to the USA where it is regulated by the FDA and the poor animals will be treated humanely until their untimely deaths. The horses that go to Mexico are hung up ALIVE by their hind legs and lifted to have their throats cut in terror. I don’t like horse slaughter anymore than anyone but it WILL continue just as it has this past decade. At least let it be more humane 😥😥

    • WT

      Have to agree. Mexico and Canada are not going to stop slaughtering. So if we allowed it here in the US again at least it would be regulated and the horses wouldn’t have to travel in horrible conditions across the border. And the slaughter plants should be required to be specialized for horses so that the process is as quick and humane as possible. I do not like the idea of slaughter, but I also do not like thousands of healthy cats and dogs euthanized annually because no one wants them either. It all boils down to owner responsibility. Horse breeders breed crap to crap and make more crap no one wants, and pet owners refuse for whatever reason to not spay/neuter even though there are many programs to assist with the cost.

      • savinghorses2

        Safeguard America’s Food and Export Act will stop slaughter eports. Period call Congress support it.

        • Deb Curtis Olivas

          And then you will take on how many more horses on your ranch. ?
          You can start breaking/rehabbing and rehoming these 100, 000 + horses
          Your bragging has been to the point of non belief , and you actually add more to the problem than what you think you solve .

    • savinghorses2

      They bust these killers take them to court for animal abuse including a buyer in Oklahoma for electrocuting them to stand which is against the law, they arrest a killer for having 49 horses starved yes without food or water bc they werent slaughter material, they arrest a killer in Carolina for dead horses he dumped while they were alive in a ravine to avoid shooting them and then killing his puppy. Another killer buyer brother team posted a FB video of them slicing the Girlfriends dogs throat then they violently attacked an officer from animal control. A killer buyer left 30 plus horses in a semi trailer that caught fore leaving his facility with slaughter bound horses and wouldn’t open the doors and release them and they all burned alive. Yeah, it’s really humane here. And by the way that all happened in the last 3 years. They all happenedinside the USA. No there return is not humane.

  • idavis

    Absolutely outrageous that people in a civilized nation thinks it’s okay to violently slaughter these magnificent animals who have done so much for mankind and played an integral role in building our nation! Shameful and despicable and such inhumane action should be condemned! Vote these scumbags out and pray that when the entire congress votes, this sick vote will be reversed. Call your members of Congress NOW! PUSH BACK!

  • Drama the Llama

    I’m a horse owner and none of my horses have ever gone to slaughter, but I’m sorry, this is a necessary evil. Horses must be secondary to people, always. And if someone owns horses and something happens in their lives that makes it impossible to keep them, they need to have this as an option. Otherwise, there will be more cases of horses being abandoned and starved to death. Sending them to slaughter is not a nice option, but it’s better than them being left for days, weeks, months with no food or water. I would hope that an owner would be able to re-home them, but if they can’t, there has to be another option. And yes, that would include euthanizing them.

    • savinghorses2

      So when you drive to work and this necessary evil steals your horses to slaughter you understand why it happened.? They steal horses to slaughter.

      • Drama the Llama

        People will steal no matter what. Not a good enough reason to ban it.

  • Jeanette

    NO NO NO NO!!!! This is a sickening and inhumane GIANT step backwards. We can NOT allow this to happen in the USA again!

    • longtimehorsewoman

      I am not pro-slaughter, but i think it’s more humane to kill horses here than make them suffer going to Canada and Mexico. Why people are against slaughter HEREin the US is that they want to “feel good” about it. “We don’t kill horses here.” Well that is just self-delusion, and not really concern about the horses who are actually suffering.

  • Bad Lucky

    Got to be better than shipping to mexico

  • savinghorses2

    Horses killed in killer buyer tractor trailer fire left inside and were burned Alive in the US. Just about 3 yrs ago. SLAUGHTER BUYERS killed their dog by slitting it’s throat on FB and shocking the World by saying they would do it to horses and people. Semi trailers loaded with horses driving within the US overturning killing their cargo. Several incidents of o erloading old trailers and trailer broke in half going down highway horses trapped inside injured not taken to Veterinary care. Repeat offenses of abuse by killer buyers going to court. Kill buyers electrocuting horses that are down to stand up in loaded trailers, recently happened in Oklahoma. Against the law. The violations are stacked to the ceiling. It’s not even Remotely more humane in US. Mexico no longer uses Puntillas and Mexico and Canada Both use shotgun or captive bolt gun the EU approved which is the Exact Same Methods allowed in US. So what’s more humane? If it’s the Exact same? It’s still abuse. Killer Buyer had 49 dead horses piled on his property is that what you want living next door to your family? Really happens, Google it. There’s no way Disqus has enough room to list all their offenses.

  • savinghorses2

    Close transport to slaughter or quit driving it. If you know its abuse in Cansda and Mexico then why have they driven for 10 years to be abusers participatung the chain of abuse? Why hasn’t law enforcement closed this abuse down? They keep faking animal welfare. If you buy 100 horses to kill and you place them in a feed lot and no care just water and feed and 20 die and you blame the previous owner that’s not animal welfare. Folks do You know what happe s at slaughter? Horses inside or outside either one of the US are shot or stunned up to 11 times each. Video e idence confirms it repeatedly, temple GRANDIN stated it herself. Horses are alive while cut apart many wake up and fight or struggle as they are cut to pieces even plants have ADMITTED TO THE VIOLATIONS. So when slaughter people who have never been in the plants claim otherwise it’s lies. These are documented facts.

  • savinghorses2

    Horses are Not just filled with vaccines such as rabies, West Nile and much more banned from any food animal they have no idea the quantity of Bute, ace, banamine, so on noon the list goes, illegal, legal drugs, medications supplements therapies, chemicals, kerosene, gasoline soaked into hooves, it’s unimaginable yet they forge documents leaving no Tracibility. They wouldn’t follow withdrawal requirements so the European Union made them mandatory. The Wild Horses to be slaughtered was the plan all along. They wanted to make the public fear a slow agonizing death for them. Look at photos of holding these horses are overweight to kill they are up not for adopters.

  • savinghorses2

    The Beef industry in the USA wpnt be able to handle a horsemeat scandal. No other country would trust our Food Industry beef supplies again. Instead of think beef it will be think before you eat anything. The Beef prices plummeted during Inter national horse meat scandals. 5 yrs and it’s barely moving up.

    • billy

      And that is exactly what will happen imo tainted food supply it’s almost a given

  • savinghorses2

    When you leave for work when the slaughter plants are here again unless you stop these plants you will be at work humming or on vacation and pull in and all your horses will have vanished. And if you sat I have cameras. Great will they jump in the barn and fight the their while your not home? Will they call 911 and give the info, or will they notify they get your horses back before they are eaten? That’s what happened when horse slaughter was in the US, Tens of thousands of horses vanished.

    • savinghorses2

      Call Congress urge them to protect our horses and the American Public today. Tell them we have the right to protect our animals. I am not a rescue or rescuer I am a Professional Horse trainer. I make a living training highdollar horses. We have seen the market rebound. There will always be horses that need rescued and that’s what animal control, law enforcement and rescues are for. Period. These men and women haulers are not certified, licensed, or carry any verified credentials that allow them to claim they are animal welfare. The killers are random people who haul horses any which way they fit and what happens happens. They are not licensed to euthanize commercial animals yet they allow them a slow starvation without veterinary care or shoot them. Again, unqualified to do so. Please stop this vicious cycle in the USA.

    • TwoBays

      I had a friend who sought her stolen mare at the rendering plant in Kaufman, TX, back in the 80s. She went there every day for 3 weeks. Her report: most of the horses looked well cared for with freshly trimmed bridal paths, pulled manes and washed tails: people who are sending a horse to a place like this don’t groom them first. So these were mostly stolen horses.

      • longtimehorsewoman

        Not necessarily true. When i was in my 20’s there was a small, privately owned slaughter house not far away. I went there looking for a horse that had supposedly been sent to slaughter. In the corrals were horses who had just come from a horse show, in which they disappointed their owner enough to have them be killed. They were braided for the show. The fact is that a lot of people do not see horses as living, sentient creatures, but as objects and property.

  • Judy Gaddis

    I would like to thank who ever the beef farmers in the midwest “have in their pocket” that were the two deciding votes — all they care about is getting rid of the mustangs. They don’t care that this bill will affect ALL horses of every breed, size and color.

    I wish it was acceptable for me to write what I REALLY think here in the language I would like to use on this topic……………………………..

  • Michael Castellano

    The horse, like the slave and soldier, have been used as “property” since the beginning of recorded history. And this cold and calculated abuse towards the horse is entirely consistent with the way we often treat soldiers and those who work for a living. Labor and casualties are calculated numerically, and viewed as a necessary cost which has to be both exploited and reduced as much as possible for the sake of profitability or winning the war. Those in charge of the economics of racing will never view the horse in any other way. They see horse slaughter as necessary because they will never foot the expense of aftercare for injured or retired horses that don’t make it to stud. Any kindness and love for the horse comes mainly from other sources. And certainly not from those who now run Washington.

  • We have to pull together to stop this. I was worried about this, because Trump likes killing things, and apparently, so does the House. There’s no reason for this, but it’s something they love to do because at heart they are CRUEL people.

    • We need to go after the SENATE, and DEADLOCK them!

  • Sarah

    It’s my opinion the government is paving the way to dispose of all the mustangs in holding pens…… again just my opinion. These majestic icons should never have been rounded up in the first place. The cattle ranchers once again won the grazing rights.

  • TwoBays

    Greed … the ranchers who use OUR land and “forget” to pay us for the privilege, then get 15 minutes of fame with Hannity for being “patriots”, while owing the Treasury over a million, are well represented in DC.

  • Vic Stauffer

    There would be no need to slaughter horses if Frank Miramahdi would quit eating all the chicken.

  • savinghorses2

    Illinois was devastated by the plant in Dekalb. The water treatment waste water management was a State of the Art system built prior to closure it was so overflowing with chemicals and antibiotics as well as blood, tissue, fluids and offal it looked like a leak from a science lab explosion. The stench was horrific, it drove down real estate prices until it was closex. The community lost new business opportunities until the plant was gone. The crime rate was hideous and most of the miller buyers were felons with serious crimes committed and it drew criminals into the community to sell horses and they would stay long enough for problems to occur then leave again. My grandfather was beat up in the plant when he located the neighbors 5 missing horses there. He had documents and pictures proving whose animals they were and that they were stolen, even with police involved it was violent. My grandfather saw horses hanging throats cut moving around trying to get down. Mares with newborn foals. It was in violation of every USDA oversight and was cited repeatedly. Yes we know horse slaughter. It needs closed. People need to know when they drive to work or go on vacation or send to a trainer their horses are safe. If slaughter comes into the US horses disappear. DEFUND IT.

  • Candy Nichols

    Let’s do some math, shall we? In the decades previous to the plants being closed, and in the decade since, roughly 100,000 (+/-) horses have been shipped out of this country to Canada, Mexico, and some others countries. There hasn’t been much fluctuation in this number in all these years. Like it or not, these were horses that no one else wanted. Owners took them to sales and the meat buyers bought them. Not rescues, not private buyers, for one reason or another. Those meat buyers also put time and money into the horses they saw potential in and resold those horses to private buyers and rescues. Through good and bad economic times that number up there hasn’t changed.

    The normal mortality rate for the horse population in the US is around 14%. That leaves roughly 86,000 horses, annually, needing somewhere to go if borders are closed. In 12 years, without those horses even breeding, there will be approximately 1 million horses needing to be maintained. This does not even take into account the mustangs. Many of you, in light of this, would suggest that breeders stop breeding. If this happened, the gene pool would shrink and excellent bloodlines that have taken generations to build would be lost forever and we would be left with genetically inferior horses.

    This all begs the question of who will take care of these horses? Responsible breeders should NOT stop breeding, irresponsible horse owners WILL NOT stop breeding. Regardless of the borders being open or closed, the issue of doing SOMETHING with 85,000-100,000 horses a year will still remain. As a life long lover of horses and a horse owner, it is a much easier conclusion to arise at to develop humane plants, less travel time and ethically run slaughter than to spend millions of dollars that could be going into research to better the lives of wanted horses, and even humans.

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