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by | 07.07.2017 | 8:56am
Penn National permanently ruled off three people following the trial of trainer Murray Rojas

In the wake of the 14-count guilty finding in the trial of trainer Murray Rojas, Penn National has permanently barred her and two others from the racetrack.

Meanwhile, the national horsemen's group, the HBPA, is defending its position of financially supporting Rojas and claiming efforts to “support clean racing.”

In this edition of The Friday Show, Scott Jagow and Ray Paulick discuss the aftermath of the trial and the context of the actions mentioned above. Plus, what to make of a new ADW strategy in New York?

  • Threerules

    “It’s not my fault everybody does it” Thanks HBPA for all you do to protect the convicts.

  • billy

    Like you said Ray the other trainers mentioned should be getting looked at, the pa vet board I don’t see how they have not acted with the knowledge they have,other then helping the people that have lined their pockets I can’t see how or why the hbpa would defend rojas while claiming integrity ( what a freak in joke) and lastly how can penn national eject trainers found guilty or that have admitted guilt while the others go on about their buissness also how does the commission get off on rejecting murray rojas license but not one other person that’s a cmon man and shouldn’t the state or commission be held liable for not testing every substance everyday in some type of way I’m not sure how that’s even overseen but just saying, I hope these are just the beginning moves because the cheats and people that do wrong to horses are well and alive in pa.

    • Bryan Langlois

      I can tell you that because of budget cuts and the length of time that it takes for investigations to occur, the PA Vet State Board moves very very very slowly on things. They are also a complaint driven dept, which means a complaint has to be filed by someone to start an investigation. Now, in the case of guilty pleas that have been entered I am not sure if that automatically triggers a review by the State Board. I know when you renew your license you have to answer if you have been found guilty of any crimes, so that automatically should trigger something. Sometimes there are settlements that are worked out as well where a vets license is not yanked, but they are put on probation, fined, and have to complete some other forms of CE or be monitored for a specific period of time. A quick search of the vets shows all of their licenses to still be active, which does not mean that there is no investigation going on, just that no official action from the Board has taken place.
      The other matter for the Board to consider is did what these vets do constitute a violation of some kind under the Practice Act that is punishable by sanctioning them in any way. It will all depend on how the Board interprets the Act in relation to the violations. I am sure at least a little more of this will be coming from the Board in time since it is now more mainstream news.
      I do agree though that any vet that does not act in the best interest of the horses in racing should be seriously sanctioned by the Board.

      • billy

        Well Bryan all I can say regarding the board is they sure have had plenty of time to rectify this on their own accord, it’s shameful for these people to be able to practice after the complete disreguard for an animal they failed every pretense ethical moral and professional brophy wouldn’t even treat injured slade for his ride to rescue but would treat horses for an advantage #&%# that old man

        • billy

          And I forgot thank you for your first-hand knowledge on this matter once again

  • Get real

    I’m curious as to why Ray is specifically singling out Murray. I sat thru the trial just like he did. But yet he only tells 1/10 of the story. How come none of his articles contain all the other cheating that went on. There was far more things discussed then some off the wall rebranding going on. He fails to mention the office, the jockeys, the agents, the labs feeding the info to the vets on what is being tested for. He left out the gate crew and starter. So much more to this story. Not saying Murray and Stephanie did no wrong, but come on Ray why are you censoring the news. Put it all out there

    • billy

      Rays the only one reporting on this, you do know that right as in has enough balls to speak of the realitys of pa racing, maybe he’s worried about making peoples heads explode like you say. Also I should add I’m pretty sure Ray did this on his own time and own dollar imo you should head your own advice and put it all out there I’m sure we all envy your knowledge at this point I would like to confirm my own research if anything

      • Get real

        I would be glad to confirm your research. Let’s hear it? And if you noticed I put about office workers, gate crew, riders. Did Ray say anything about that? Of course not. I’m not trying to start a pissing match. I just wish he would report everything he heard.

        • billy

          I agree fully

          • billy

            To say who’s payin though is quite silly I’m pretty sure Mr paulick like everyone else just wants to see things cleaned up and be fair for whatever reason cause you bet love horses support racing whatever

        • RayPaulick

          I love someone who hides behind a screen name of “get real.”

          A wise man once told me never to get into a pissing contest with a skunk, so have a nice day.

          • Get real

            Ray, not a pissing match between skunks. Just curious as to why you pick and choose what you write about. Why not tell some of the things you really heard. I think it needs to be brought to light all of the things from Stephanie’s testimony. You have a chance to really help pa racing by telling the whole story. I applaude you for thinking that since Murray and Stephanie are ruled off racing will be clean.

          • Never Blue

            I never saw Ray assert that since Murray and Beattie are ruled off, now racing is squeaky clean. If you are going to debate with someone, do not put words into his mouth. Also, we have no understanding of how much it takes to report things that might incite someone with deep pockets to litigate. Unfortunately, we live in an age where those with the biggest armies of attorneys are somewhat immune to certain accountability. I commend Ray for the reporting he does include on his site. You should be more thankful, in my opinion.

          • Get real

            I didn’t put words in his mouth. Those were pretty much his words verbatim in his tweet.

          • Lehane

            Suggestion for you, Get Real. Apply to the court for a transcript of the proceedings. It might cost a few dollars but it should satisfy your obsession to know more about ‘the others’.

          • Get real

            Don’t really need the court transcripts. Was there everyday.

      • Larry Ensor

        I don’t think this is just about PA racing. Anybody that thinks it is has their head in the sand. No disrespect intended.

        • billy

          None taken this isn’t personal at all by any means, surely if this is going on in pa it’s happening other places only makes sense when there’s money on the line and bad people are involved it’s a no brainer the outcome it’s about the money not always about the horse and things go on buissness as usual cause the horse is nothin but a means to an end for these people the respect for the horse ain’t there alot of times same people will turn around and say oh how they love their horse their like family please gimme a break that’s the biggest joke line in horse racing, but with all this said here’s the deal if I can’t do much to better or change what’s goin on in my own backyard and with what is allowed and looked past how in the world am I suppose to worry about cal ny Florida any of them i do believe pa is the worst of the worst thought their track record of I don’t give two $&#; has shown time and time again, Like I said on a different post when you got commonwealth new era racing with Todd moestoller president of pahpba and you have santanna president of nati9nap hpba and they have Mr beattie as there trainer it makes perfect sense whats really goin on at penn and Presque it ain’t about justice or fairness no none of that it’s about saving their own butt I guarantee nobody from penn ever wanted anyone to find out the truths of that place, your from pa and have been in this buissness for a long time I’m sure you already know, keep makin it about the horses larry thats the only thing that’s gonna save this sport buissnes whatever it is care concern and respect for the horse getting rich has got to take a back seat and horse racing will die before those rules are ever put in

  • Condor

    Wouldnt it be great if racing was about the best horses, the best horsemen and great sportsmanship and not drugs and cheating. It would be nice admire great performances human and equine without having to worry wether further down the line a special racing moment turned out to be drug fuelled and tainted. Boy somethings gone wrong with sports morals .

    • TC

      Dont under-estimate the addiction of winning at any price, including cheating. I have seen owners of losing horses try to get in the winners photo to kid there ego that they are winners.

      • Meydan Rocks

        Truer words never spoken. Winning. It’s something else.

    • Never Blue

      True that! And I would add, something is very wrong with the morals of the fans who ignore the obvious.

    • Vendettaroad

      SOMETHING? $$$$$$$$$$$

      • Condor

        Mostly the $’s yes but drugs and cheating are in some sports where there is no money to be made. Weird world.

  • Get real

    I’m putting it out there a little at a time. If I put it out all at once people’s heads might explode… but still curious why he’s not reporting all of it. Wonder who’s paying….

    • Hamish

      Anxiously awaiting your further posts. BTW, I don’t believe for a second Paulick is holding back because of money, otherwise he wouldn’t have covered the PNat saga like he has for the last 5-6 years.

    • Lehane

      It’s likely that there are legal constraints preventing Ray from commenting further. Afterall, the others were only mentioned, they weren’t charged and there lies the difference.

  • horsepower

    PR thank you for continuing to provide hope

  • Jack Frazier

    The article was a good point for racing’s cheating problem. It is an engrained culture of drug usage that could be stopped or at least slowed down by going after the veterinarians who, like doctors who continue to prescribe oxycodone to patients who are looking for a high and shop around until they find one who will give them the prescriptions they want, and it is deadly as we know by the statistics reporting high number of death all over American.

    There are some ethical and moral veterinarians but lets face it, vets are the enablers of rampant drug usage on the track. Something has to be done or just, as the mafia says, “forget about it.”
    Trainers whims or wants be given to them by veterinarians, but they are. According to the article the vets were complicit in the race day injections of banned substances.

    All tracks should immediately issue IPad’s or Notebook computers to every vet on the grounds and they should be required to pick them up when they arrive and turn them in when they leave. Every drug given should be listed and every horse they are given to should be named. In addition the name of the vet treating the horses should be on the program or racing form. That would be a start of accountability.

    Vets should be required to order their drugs from a medical dispensary on the track and not be able to bring drugs, legal or otherwise, onto the backside. Each day they should have to turn in the empty or bottles that have been used to record what they are doing. Third party vets hired by the track should be the only vets that can inject bute or Lasix.

    This is not a draconian measure, it is common sense because without the vets bringing the drugs onto the backside, the cheaters would soon be outed. As I stated earlier not all vets lack ethics or morals but some do. There are already regulations that vets have to turn in a list of horses treated but I don’t think it goes far enough and if the data on the IPads or Notebooks are fed into a central data base, the vets who abuse the system will be outed. This is just my opinion.

    We do not have fair and equal racing but we do have vets and trainers who know how to get around the regulations.

    • Larry Ensor

      I agree and have posted the same several times going back a number of years ago. This would not be difficult to set up nor time consuming for the vets.

      I also feel this information should be available to the betting public. Easy on line access and could be used for handicapping the same as workouts, PPs, etc. I also feel that trainers should be required to do the same. A simple day to day training record. Galloped a mile, jogged, etc. Might make it a bit easier to figure out if the horse is in the race to win or just being “given a race”.

      • Jack Frazier

        The reason is won’t be implemented is that many vets do not want to be accountable for their actions nor do the tracks want to make trainers downsize. For every ten extra horses a Costco Stable has it puts a small trainer out of business. I know that owners want their name tagged to a Mr. Big Shot trainer but at what cost? I know many small operators, who are hands on, and can train very well but they cannot get the quality stock it takes to be successful. The big boys will realize when more get out, just as is happening all over the country, that small five to seven horse fields will be the norm not the exception. Watch for races that have three horses from each of the big boys and it will just be who has the best medicine man. At that point horse racing is dead.

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