Martin: Right Move To Send Chrome to England

by | 04.01.2015 | 3:55pm
The connections of California Chrome in the Kentucky Derby winner's circle. Co-owner Perry Martin is on the left.
The connections of California Chrome in the Kentucky Derby winner's circle. Co-owner Perry Martin is on the left.

The decision to send Horse of the Year California Chrome from Dubai to England in order to prepare for Royal Ascot has been the subject of much discussion in the press and on social media.

On Wednesday, Perry Martin, the joint owner/breeder of the 4-year-old colt released a statement defending the decision. In the statement, Martin said that he feels racing in England would only help increase the colt's profile as a stallion prospect.

“Stallion value can be increased by demonstrating superior performance at different distances and over different surfaces at elite venues,” Martin says. “Royal Ascot is such an elite venue and we are honored to be invited. The opportunity is not without risk—however, I believe the risk to be minimal.”

Martin also stated that “I do not believe that this trip [to Britain] is a mistake, however I freely admit I have made one mistake in the management of Chrome. I wanted to travel to Dubai early and prep in one of the [Al Maktoum] Challenge races there. This is a proven formula that allows the horse more time to recover from the long trip and gives him the benefit of a race over the surface.”

“Both Art and Steve wanted to prep in the San Antonio against Shared Belief. The argument was that the match up was good for racing. I did not want to disappoint them so abstained. This was an emotional decision and it was wrong.”

Read Martin's entire statement in the Blood-Horse

  • Mousse

    The last two sentences of the statement speak volumes about the connections and should have been left unsaid. CC will be well cared for of course, so now we’ll see what kind of horse he really is and whether this was a good move or not!!

    • naprovniknaprovnik

      I think it was his way of saying that he did what Sherman/Coburn wanted to do, and now he wanted to exert his influence.

      • Boknows

        Of course he knows more than the trainer! Yea Right.. Do you notice with this man that most everything is someone else’s fault?

        • AngelaFromAbilene

          Good gawd, did #3LL freeze over? I actually, not only agree with you but you’re 100% right. Maybe Martin should take out his trainers license and train California Chrome himself. I mean heck, now he’s even an “expert” on building stallion value. If Mr. Martin knew 1/2 of what he *thinks* he knows about this business, it still wouldn’t fill a thimble.

          • naprovniknaprovnik

            And I am sure in retrospect, all of us would have bred that $8000 mare to that $2500 stallion. I personally, will give the man credit for doing something I haven’t done: bred a Kentucky Derby winner.

          • Barbara Bowen

            Given that he actually chose Reddatore for his mare the year before and she didn’t catch and the stallion didn’t return to the farm and he needed a Plan B stud at a discounted fee at the same farm…I’m pretty sure Martin gives himself enough credit.

          • naprovniknaprovnik

            And I’m SURE you would have chosen Lucky Pulpit, just like the DAPs. They certainly weren’t going to ship their mare to South America to be covered by Redattore (correct spelling) again.

          • Barbara Bowen

            You’re cute. You had to google Redattore, didn’t you? I didn’t;-)
            As for me, if I bred a horse by Backyard out of Curbside I would know to thank my lucky stars every day of my life and stay out of the credit taking pulpit.

          • naprovniknaprovnik

            No, dear, I saw Redattore RUN. And no, you wouldn’t – you CANNOT keep your mouth shut and insist on putting your foot in it.

          • Barbara Bowen

            Ok honey, but at least I use my own name and stand by my written words. What do you have to hide?

          • naprovniknaprovnik

            Is that all you have? Personal attacks? How sad . You obviously have a certain fascination with attempting to be snappy to my posts. Please go find another persont to troll. Thanks!

          • Barbara Bowen

            No nothing personal. How could it be if I don’t know who you are? I tend to reply in kind to other comments.

          • naprovniknaprovnik

            Then go reply in kind somewhere else. You are an overbearing bore.

          • AngelaFromAbilene

            I may not have bred a Kentucky Derby winner but I’ll wager I’ve bred more winners across the board than you have and I know I’ve bred more than he has. I’ve been at this a long time, I’m smart enough to know there’s a lot of luck involved… from breeding the mare to crossing the line. Every step of the way is dependent on luck. When you get lucky, like he did, you thank God and greyhound and everyone in between. Hitting the jackpot first rattle out of the box does not an expert make. I seriously doubt his phone has been blowing up from people asking for advice on breeding, training or building stallion value.

          • naprovniknaprovnik

            Water seeks its own level.

          • Boknows

            I think that would be more like God’s territory! A Blind Hog finds a Acorn every once in a while!!

          • naprovniknaprovnik

            My point being that breeding winners for the New Mexico quarter horse circuit is a far cry from Churchill Downs.

    • Boknows

      I think most of us already know what kind of horse he is! He Won two legs of the Triple Crown!! He has nothing to prove to you or me!!

  • Barbara Bowen

    I thought it was great that Perry Martin took the high road here and thanked his gallant horse, his business partner, and the trainers Art and Alan, and entire barn including groom Raul, and jockey Victor Espinoza, and congratulated Prince Bishop connections, making no excuses….

    April Fool!

    • Boknows

      Love It!!! hahahahaha lol

    • we’re watching

      Your comments are always so negative, especially when it comes to Chrome and his owners. He owns the horse, has not done anything to hurt the horse, and a his input into the management of the horse is refreshing. He care a great deal for the barn so your estimation to the contrary is as usual, negative. Let the world see this KY Derby winner and enjoy him as much as we have in America.

      • Barbara Bowen

        Not all of my comments are negative about the owners, and none of my comments are negative about the horse. Now pick up your sense of humor and shake it off!

        • Racing’s Lost & Found department has no such commodity waiting for its rightful owner to claim it because it doesn’t exist and can’t be misplaced.

        • we’re watching

          No, you are always kicking the owners of CC around. We and you are entitled to opinion that’s why we write on here, but don’t try to sweep your feelings under the rug. The positive is that this horse has an opportunity to win e en more prestige and money. That’s part, not the only thing though, of owning a horse.
          Thanks for your interest in the sport, as with mine.

          • Barbara Bowen

            To be clear, I am criticizing ONE owner. The majority owner. Perry Martin. I think his ego is what he has put first, not the horse. And the only one left to clear things up for him is his horse.

            I long ago moved on from Coburn’s misguided comments after the Belmont and think he is just very human, but he has it right compared to his majority partner. Just enjoy the ride.

      • The big z

        Perry Martin showed nothing but disrespect for his partner, Art Sherman and the entire Chrome team for being so underhanded to make that move like he did. He put his horse in jeopardy by shipping him to yet another foreign country being handled by new people in a new routine on new food, water, racing surfaces. Sounds like an accident waiting to happen. And from the looks of things they need 2 halters and 2 shanks to handle the horse. He added more major stress to his horse and he’s a man with no integrity.

        • Boknows

          Amen!!!

        • Angelo

          It has been reported now that Coburn and the team knew what the plan was all along. Seems as if the disrespect has occurred in the opposite direction.

    • BT

      Babe, judging by most of your posts you seem pretty Upset about Chrome going to Newmarket. Have a J and relax. Perry is clearly a very intelligent man and knows exactly what he’s doing with the horse. Chrome is one of the best horses in the world, and he deserves a fair chance to prove it in England. He already has proven it in the US and Dubai. Would love to see him in Hong Kong or Japan after the BC to close out the season.

      • Barbara Bowen

        Ok, lets not stalk me, ok? Or repeat your replies. If you want to make a statement about the subject, do so. But stop with the have a J crap from some creepy anonymous guy on the web.

        • BT

          Hard not to notice you when you comment 100 times on every Chrome article across multiple websites. Its getting old and tired. You clearly have a strong disdain for Chrome’s ownership group. Maybe it’s because they don’t want to baby their horse and find him easy spots in the US like Shared Belief is doing, or maybe its because of Mr. Coburn’s mistake after the Belmont, or maybe its be cause you’re just jealous. Who knows why, but you have shown an obsession with hating on Chromes connections and criticizing their every move. Get a life hun.

          • Tiznowbaby

            If you think the San Antonio was an easy spot for Shared Belief, then you must not think much of the runner up in that race.

          • BT

            HIs main rival was coming off a layoff and no other horse in the race was expected to compete, which is why SB was favored in the race. It was an “easy” spot relative to running in the Donn against Lea and Constitution in an actual Grade 1 worth a million bucks.

          • Tiznowbaby

            IMO, neither Lea nor Constitution is as good as CC, even a Chrome coming off a layoff. SB’s next targeted start of the Met Mile, as storied a race as there is, can’t be called picking an easy spot.

          • BT

            SB’s next target is the lowly, slot-infused CT Classic, another Grade 2. He doesn’t have the speed to compete in a one-turn mile against the east coast’s best, and will run up the track in the Metropolitan.

          • Tiznowbaby

            Oops, forgot about CT Classic. Guess we’ll see if he has the speed for the Met Mile.

          • BT

            Agreed. I don’t think he does, but in any case it should be an interesting test for him over a deeper type of dirt that he has never raced over before.

          • Pebbles

            I think you may be surprised, but we’ll see who enters the race. His top competition, Honor Code, may be headed to the Stephen Foster.

          • Michael Castellano

            We shall see. He’ll be over bet, that’s for sure. But he does have a little something extra under the hood, so I wouldn’t dismiss his chances in the Met, which may wind up with a weak field. The horse WANTS to win. And that’s half the battle.

          • 4Bellwether666

            Easy or Hard 10 out of 11 pretty damn strong…ty…

          • ceil rock

            Hoppertunity beat Constitution in the Clark Handicap last November – both Shared Belief and California Chrome ran off and left him in the San Antonio. CC beat Lea in the World Cup. The best horses in the country are West Coast based – Shared Belief, Chrome and Bayern.

        • BT

          You don’t like what someone has to say, and can’t come up with a justifiable response, so you just flag their comment and hope the mods delete it so it goes away and doesn’t make you look bad… Real nice Babs. BTW, my comment did not violate any of the terms and conditions of this comment section.

          • Barbara Bowen

            You told me to complain to Ray, Big (S)Talker?

          • BT

            If you actually read what I wrote, I said to complain to him about why he choses to use an anonymous comment board. Not to whine because someone happened to point out your condescending negative attitude.

          • Barbara Bowen

            I’d guess he does it because he’d have all of five comments on a Chrome story if people had to ID themselves and not be gutless wonders of the internet?

          • BT

            If posting my real name was required here, I would have no problem doing so. The comment section is anonymous by design Barb. And even if I gave you my name what difference would it make? And how do I know your name is really “Barbara Bowen” ?? Question. When we go to the polls to vote, why is that kept anonymous?

          • BT

            So if someone on here posted as “Jonathan” and I replied to them as “John,” you would also see that as offensive according to your logic. I was simply stating my opinion about how I believe that Chrome’s connections are making the right move, and point out that your non-stop criticizing, antagonizing, and condescending attitude toward Chrome’s connections, and in replies to others on these boards, is getting tired and old.

          • Barbara Bowen

            I’m not sure why you need to address anyone here with made up names, BT. But the only thing that gets older than my comments (about only one owner, not all the connections) are people like you that chase after them and spoil for attention and replies. Let it go.

          • BT

            Haha yes i spoil for attention, which is why i post to this site and BH maybe once a month, not 100 times a day like you. Who’s the one spoiling for attention?

    • Angelo

      Well, yes he did. Dubai was a great experience.

  • Rachel

    Perry, I agree with you, CC should have gone to Dubai early and acclimated to the air, water, temperature and track, and had a race over the track before the big race, like Curlin did.

    You are also very, very right to give him a chance to do well in other parts of the world. American breeders already disrespect his pedigree as plebian ( though I’m sure Japan is astute enough to value him.)

    You were smart enough to breed him, smart enough to get him to a good trainer and plans for the Derby once you saw his potential and talent and I absolutely believe you want the best for the horse, now and for his future and I believe you want to seize every opportunity to do well for the entire California Chrome team.

    Don’t let haters get you, you have a great vision and faith in this horse.
    Best wishes!!!

    • McGov

      I now know why Chrome had even a chance of winning the Derby.

  • nucky thompson

    A better idea would have been to send Coburn to England and Chrome to California. Just hope the doofus does not upset Her Majesty. She will not be amused. Off with his head !

    • Boknows

      Is that suppose to be funny?? I think it shows how Small you are!!

      • Romanella

        Perry Martin does not love the spotlight. He is rarely seen. He is an intelligent and articulate person and owns an interesting business. There are over 20,000 foals born in the U S per year and anyone from any sire is fortunate to get one to the track much less 2 classics, Grade 1 ‘ s on all 3 surfaces and sweep the awards as a three year old and win the Vox Populi award with Penny Cheney saying how much he reminded her of Secretariat. Steve Haskin said today how important it is to have a prep at Meydan.
        It is truly a shame that this has happened to the team. Why did Sherman go on a LA radio show the following morning and start all this? He is a wonderful man but is that good for Chrome? We don’t know who has approached Martin but I know that Coolmore said last year that they were watching his career closely. He has achieved everything that he can in the U.S.
        He is presently rated 2nd by NTRA and 5th by Longines in the world based on his San Antonio performance.
        Certainly running off Lasix in Dubai was terrific. He also is trained on a dirt track all alone at Los Al. He will now train with other horses which will be great for him l know that if he does not take to euro turf or the technique he will .probably come home. I want him to do the very best he can and his fans will always respect and love him.
        I was involved with partnerships for 10 years that bred, owned and raced many horses. Only 2 were champions. He is rare indeed.

        • louloulaw

          Thanks for posting this about Chrome’s abilities. It is clear to this novice that he is special, remarkably better than most. Calm and confident and healthy so far (save the gash at Belmont). I get tired of reading the “he’s not great” posts. As a fan I hate seeing him reduced to chattel with all the talk of selling him to the highest stud bidder at best.

  • Tinky

    Condren and Cornacchia were good friends until Strike the Gold came along.

    Want to ruin a friendship? Just get “lucky” and own a really good horse in partnership.

    • Quinnbt

      Quickest way to ruin a friendship-become partners in the ownership of a horse.

      • AngelaFromAbilene

        Ain’t that the truth.

    • Larry Ensor

      LOL, Absolutely right! I knew both of them and they were both good people. Back in “room mate” days the best room mates were not friends first. I have found the same to be true with horses. I had a falling out with one of my very best friends a few years ago over horses we owned together. It was shocking how he and his wife behaved, the accusations, character assassination. Horses, money loosing horses will bring out the true nature of a “friendship”. It will upset me for the rest of my life.

  • MaryMatthews

    I think it is hilarious that there are so many people that support Martin and his decision when clearly the trainer is NOT supportive and he is the one that KNOWS THE HORSE THE BEST! very sad really

    • good luck

      Well, Mary, when you are a trainer faced with the loss of the best horse you ever had, I don’t think you would be supportive of the decision to take the horse away from you.
      I respect Art Sherman, do not respect the fool who showed his true colors after the Belmont, and appreciate the majority partner’s decision to call the shots-they are his to call, you know-after allowing the other two decision makers their chance to send Chrome to Dubai without getting a race over the track before the big race. Possibly a mistake, no one will ever know. “Good for racing” isn’t the same thing as “good for the horse” or “good for the horse’s stud value”, but the majority owner is finally taking charge and more power to him.
      Good luck Chrome, I hope you get a surface you like so we can see just how good you are on the international stage.

    • Tinky

      It might not seem quite so funny if you bothered to dig below the surface.

      Art Sherman is an older man who is certainly not interested in flying to and from the UK multiple times over the course of several weeks. Nor is he interested in leaving his stable to train one horse overseas. He also knows that CC is the best horse that he will ever train.

      Now, those may seem to be obvious points, but put into context, it could well explain why he is not on board with this move. From what I can gather, other than the weak “he’s a tired horse” claim, he has not offered any good reason why CC shouldn’t contest a race at Ascot.

      I’m the last person to endorse owners overruling trainers when it comes to management, but until I hear a compelling case as to why CC shouldn’t race in England, I’ll assume that Sherman is largely being selfish in his objection.

      • Flag Is Up

        Art is one damn fine trainer that knows his horse far better than you or his JCL owner!

        • Tinky

          I said nothing disparaging about his training ability.

          Try reading the post before responding next time.

          • Flag Is Up

            “Sherman’s stated concerns are not very compelling, in my view.

            Pretty sure his concerns are related to the horse and your view is with no knowledge of the horse.

          • Tinky

            Quite absurd to suggest that only trainers have “knowledge” of the horses that are in their stable.

          • Flag Is Up

            First, you likely have no knowledge of the horse. Second, when the trainer is as good as Art is I would believe that he has the most knowledgable opinion of the horses ability and condition. Now if you’re talking about some of these “program trainers” then perhaps an assistant trainer may have reliable “knowledge” of a horses condition or ability, however, Art is no “program” trainer.

      • MaryMatthews

        It just goes to show that there is no interest in breeding California Chrome here at any of the big farms in the US . Problem is that when he losses his a** in England he is then ruined for any prospects over seas as well.

        • Tinky

          a) no European stud farm would have an interest in standing him unless he were to impress in a big race on the continent, so in that sense the connections have something to gain, and nothing to lose in choosing this route.

          b) his pedigree is exceedingly weak, and he is far from a perfect physical specimen, so any increase in potential stud value will come not from winning a few more dirt races in the U.S., but showing something more. They are giving CC an opportunity to do that, with virtually no downside.

          • jean

            Agreed.

      • Tiznowbaby

        On the Roger Stein Show, Art said the grass would be much different than the turf Chrome previously ran on, he said they run clockwise and that could be a problem, and he said Martin didn’t “realize the horses that are going to be involved” at Royal Ascot

        • Tinky

          Thanks for the info. Sherman’s stated concerns are not very compelling, in my view.

          The turf at Royal Ascot in recent years has tended not to be particularly soft, and while there is always the possibility that it could be rain-softened this year, if it were to comes up “good”, then it really shouldn’t be an issue (aside from possible stamina assuming that they choose the 10f. race).

          In other words, CC has preformed well on a variety of surfaces; why would something other than hard turf be such a concern?

          CC is quite clearly a very athletic horse, will have plenty of opportunities to train right-handed, and the turns are not as sharp as those in the U.S. Again, this strikes me as an overblown issue.

          It is true that he will be facing very good horses, and he may not be good enough to make a strong impression. But this is the sporting element of the venture, and as I have outlined previously, there really is very little downside, as he won’t be expected to overcome the various obstacles and beat top Euros at their own game. Even if he were to place, it would be a real feather in his cap. If not, oh well.

          • Tiznowbaby

            I agree with all this, but I don’t feel this is a sporting venture in any way. It is a business decision (not that there’s anything wrong with that). Martin stated that the decision to run in the San Antonio was emotional, one made because it would be good for racing and that was a mistake, so clearly it’s more about maximizing profits for him (again not that there’s anything wrong with that). It makes me wonder what their goals were when they formed their partnership: Make money? Have fun? A little of both? Martin seems to be firmly in the first camp and Coburn in the latter. I’m guessing their business model did not anticipate catching lightning in a bottle.
            I think Art’s concerns are valid but I like the idea of giving Chrome an opportunity to answer those questions.

          • Pebbles

            And the irony is that Art Sherman has said repeatedly that the track has not mattered since Chrome has performed well over every surface that he has run on:.

            ‘Art Sherman says his charge is versatile enough.

            “I know they have a new dirt track, and it seems like, with his style of running, I could place him anywhere,” Art Sherman said. “He’s got enough natural speed, and he can about run on any kind of track. I’ve been all over America and every track was different.”

            Another irony is that Art Sherman is the one who long said that he wanted to run Chrome on turf:

            ‘If it does all work out, if Chrome takes to the turf like Sherman believes he will, who knows what the Lucky Pulpit colt’s 4-year-old campaign will look like. It would leave the horse’s connections with all sorts of options.

            “Just the way he moves makes me think he could be a good grass horse,” Sherman said. “I’ve wanted to try him on turf, (and) this is an opportune time.”

      • Rob Yetman

        European racing is dominated by horses with a turn of foot. Chrome is a grinder. In the Prince of Wales he will meet The Grey Gatsby, winner of the Irish Champion Stakes; Adelaide, The Cox Plate winner trained by the Master of Ballydoyle Aidan O’Brien; and the very talented Free Eagle, trained by another master in Dermot Weld. Animal Kingdom was a much better turf horse with much stronger form. He was beaten like a drum at Ascot. Chrome was a great story that has been sullied by arrogance. I feel for Art Sherman. California Chrome could get embarrassed at Ascot and that would be sad.

        • Tinky

          There is no doubt that he will be meeting very high-class horses, but the bigger issue may be stamina. In my view he would be better off contesting the Queen Anne.

          In any case, I don’t see what it would be embarrassing for him to be beaten by such horses on their home court, and should he happen to place, it would reflect very well.

          • naprovniknaprovnik

            Well said, Tinky!!!!

          • race

            Agreed–a bunch of the peanut gallery said it was a bad decsion to go to Dubai–he went and placed for 2 million–that’s probably equal to winning at least 4-5 Graded ($$ wise)–on the low side. So now he moves from that stage to Ascot?—really, and that’s bad?–geez you would think we would all be proud that we have a U.S. horse try it for goodness sakes–When he comes back I’m sure Art will have him back, as far as Martin–yes, he gets under all our skins for sure–but Chrome sure gets our attention doesn’t he?–

        • Bein

          Chrome is not a grinder.

      • Bein

        He’s run three times in 5 months. If Art said he was a “tired horse”, I’m sorry but I can’t support him on that.

    • Bein

      It would be very sad indeed if a horse OWNER, who pays ALL the bills, had NO control over what was done with HIS or HER HORSE.

      • MaryMatthews

        Owners should have control of course and they do but if you talk to most successful owners they will tell you that they listen to the trainers who know the horses day to day and what is best for them

        • Angelo

          Do these owners fall into the tax write-off group?

    • Boknows

      Amen Amen Amen!!

  • cmwilliamsd

    Problem with Perry’s statement is Chrome has about maxed out his value as a stallion. With his pedigree or lack of it. His value as a stallion is limited. Does not matter how many Grade or Group 1’s he wins. He still will be worth about what he is worth at this point. There was a very special Cal bred not many years ago with the same problem. Although his female family was far better then Chrome. He brought a very average sum for his accomplishments.

    • reality check

      Exactly. His value is limited, even with turf wins in England, as he is not carrying the pedigree to be a turf sire… and if he falters, all it will do is drop his value like a rock.

      • Pebbles

        What evidence do you have to support such a contention?

        Animal Kingdom and Verrazano went to Royal Ascot and lost and their stallion value did not drop like a rock at all. His value is set now for what he has achieved. Losing a turf race will do nothing to change it.

        Right now the people interested in him are primarily from Japan. His performance in Dubai and Royal Ascot could turn some heads. His most marketable quality besides his talent is his temperament and durability. There are a lot of fragile horses out there and he does not appear to be fragile at all.

        • AngelaInAbilene

          What evidence? One only has to be familiar with the making of a stallion and a comprehension of history. Animal Kingdom was managed by Barry Irwin and Darley. Verrazano is managed by Coolemore. Please, don’t embarrass yourself by comparing Perry Martin to Mr. Irwin, Darley or Coolmore. I’d bet the farm neither Mr. Irwin, Darley or Coolmore are seeking insight from Martin.

          • betterthannothing

            “Please, don’t embarrass yourself by comparing Perry Martin to Mr. Irwin, Darley or Coolmore.”

            Nothing prevent Perry Martin from receiving valuable advise from one or more solid professional(s) familiar with international racing and breeding. After all, that’s what the owners of Coolmore and Darley do, except those pros are theirs exclusively.

          • AngelaInAbilene

            Read it again: I’m quite sure THEY are NOT seeking advice from him. He on the other hand, should be begging them for advice. They know very well how to manage a horse in order to build value in a stallion prospect.

          • Pebbles

            Embarrass myself? Why do you feel a need to personalize the discussion?

            Mr. Martin is taking the same route that Irwin and Coolmore took with their horses, but because he does not have the background and fancy stylings of Coolmore and Team Valor, suddenly his recommendations are suspect? Come on. At least Chrome has a win on turf like Animal Kingdom. Verrazano had no such turf resume. Yet, they stril ran him. Why? Because there was nothing to lose in doing it. It was not going to reduce his value. It was a gamble. It didn’t pay off. It likely will not pay off for Chrome, but no one yet had shown how his value and marketability as a stallion will decline if Chrome goes forward and races at Royal Ascot and loses, even badly.

          • Barbara Bowen

            You seem smart and well written but might take this opportunity to learn as well, as you are receiving a thesis worth of real world perspective here from Reality Check if you take the Chrome hat off for a minute and let it resonate. There is no comparison to Verrazano and his turf pedigree and Coolmore’s vast stallion operation, or to Animal Kingdom’s grass pedigree and his attempt at Royal Ascot before going to stud in Australia (already planned, already bought into by Arrowhead and then Darley) after he won the DWC on Tapeta.

          • Pebbles

            Do you see Chrome as a viable turf stallion? I do not. So why would his value go down if he does not succeed at Royal Ascot. It seems like you are contradicting yourself here saying Chrome does not have turf pedigree/ability, but then suggesting competing against the best turf runners in the world will diminish his stallion bona Fidel’s.

          • Barbara Bowen

            I think Chrome probably can run on grass, but not against the horses in the world on their home turf. Unless I am mistaken, Perry Martin is not satisfied with whatever offers he has received in US that would primarily be based on Chrome’s value as a dirt horse with his particular pedigree and conformation. Versatility to run on grass would be a bonus, and has been proven to a minor degree already. It seems that Martin wants to further enhance Chrome’s value to the international community (Japan) by proving his horse at the top Gr. 1 level on real turf in England. I am suggesting that when he embarrasses his horse in that spot, he will devalue the interest of the Japanese in his horse. By the time he is done with the horse’s mismanagement, he will be a 10k stallion here at best, and still end up in Japan, but not even close to the value that Martin has placed on his colt.

          • Pebbles

            Please let me suggest a more realistic outcome. The Japanese have suggested a price. Martin is seeing if he can do better. He will find out that he cannot and the deal will be made around the original price that the Japanese offered – perhaps slightly more – but no less.

            So, we agree he has marginal value on turf at this moment. We can also agree that the likelihood of his doing well on turf in England is a longshot.

            Also, you have produced nothing to show that what Martin is doing will in any way devalue California Chrome. Chrome finishing up the track in two races in England does nothing to reduce his value on turf since it was marginal to begin with. This is so because his greatest value on dirt will remain and not diminish no matter what he does on turf, and depending upon what he does in the US upon his return (like winning against elders in a race like the BC Classic), it could marginally increase, but probably not.

        • reality check

          AK won Derby, the DWC and was 2nd in the BC Mile. The very speedy Verrazano has a whole lot more pedigree than CC. AK stands for $35k at Darley. Verrazano stands for $22,500 at Coolmore. Middle of the road fees for KY. I doubt he’s looking for that kind of stud fee. Both horses were owned or managed by those with far stronger skills at stallion marketing/mgt. than Mr. Martin. CC doesn’t have the turf pedigree most will seek from turf horses. That’s not a knock, that’s just not how he’s bred.

          CC’s stud value is limited and every misstep will amplify that. What he did last year is not going to increase or hold his value this year. That’s just how it works – what have you done for me lately. Right, wrong or indifferent, that’s the breeding business.

          I hate to tell you but his temperament has ZERO to do with his marketability. If your scenario was true, Dynaformer, Storm Bird, Roberto, etc., would have been gelded and sent down the road. They really don’t care about that, at all. Durability is sometimes more of a reflection of a training program than the individual. Hard to say these days if it’s the horse or the program.

          • Pebbles

            Chrome’s resume compares quite favorably to Animal Kingdom who achieved his accolades after 3 years of racing, while Chrome is only in his 3rd year of racing and counting.

            AK was not even an option for Darley until he went to Dubai and won the DWC. He was headed exclusively to Australia. I am certain Martin was well aware of this, because whether you and others want to acknowledge it or not, despite his being relatively new to the business, he is quite well informed. Without Perry Martin charting a course for Dubai Chrome would not have considered it.

            And while Animal Kingdom and Verrazano may have been managed by persons with much stronger skills than Mr. Martin, Mr. Martin is not doing too bad for himself. His horse has Eclipsed the earnings of Verrazano, and is still counting vs. Animal Kingdom.

            Do you believe that if Chrome were managed differently, say running exclusively in the US in May and June which is the other option, his maximum stud fee opportunities would increase? He has already shown he can run fast on dirt. He has also shown he can run well on turf. Both in the US. He will be back for summer and fall racing in the US if all goes as planned – so how does missing a race or two in the US reduce his value at stud?

            You have also yet to explain how his running at Royal Ascot will diminish his stud fees? Right now does anyone believe that he can best the top European turf horses? Probably not. So how will his value at stud be diminished.

            Please give us a “reality check” there.

            I do not understand how you folks fixate on issues. I mentioned two positive qualities regarding Chrome. Trainers I have spoken all the time mention how intelligent horses are a pleasure to work with because of their easy going nature and temperament. The prospect of Chrome throwing off similarly well tempered horses is a attraction. Is it the exclusive attraction? Is it the most important attraction? No, but it is a consideration when breeding.

            And it is true, sometimes durability is a matter of training, but as you acknowledge, not always. And there is plenty of evidence with everything Chrome has been through that he is quite durable.

          • reality check

            I get that Chromies are absolutely enamored with the horse to the point of not being able to see beyond their hopes for him. However, the reality check is that CC is a nice horse with a rather pedestrian first generation. He does not bring much to the table genetically or performance-wise. If it’s true that few expect him to do well there, why go there and prove their suspicions should he falter? How is that going to help him? It’s not. It’s only going to reaffirm their thought. And again, this horse is not one that turf breeders will look to for production of turf horses. His pedigree is very dirt based. AK offers something the rest don’t… an outcross. And Darley can support him with their own turf mares. He’s a mid-range horse who likely will diminish in stallion stature unless his foals run early. Take a look at his auction results so far. Verrazano’s maternal side is very strong and crosses well with many popular lines such as Pulpit, etc.

            I’m guessing from your comments that are you aren’t familiar with the breeding side. Yes, smart, easy going horses are a pleasure – FOR THE TRAINER. But it is NOT a consideration when breeding race horses. Again, not being a loon is not a concern nor is being smart/easy going. If it was there are several very big name stallions who would have never made it as they are known for producing those with some wires loose. The Roberto line horses are notoriously nasty. Several other stallions were known to be evil and passed it on to their foals. It doesn’t matter. All that matters is what they do on the track and if they are selling yearlings, how that pedigree looks on paper. I’ve worked in this business for over two decades. I have no reason to lead you astray. Brains and easy going are traits that are bred for in the stock horse lines but as stridently as it used to be. Talent first – for all breeds now. Nor are earnings particularly a consideration since you can run in handful of races with big purses and run up the numbers, unlike in the old days when they had to grind it out. CC is a perfect example of that – 2 races in 2015, 2nd both times – $2m and change in earnings. The Equibase Top 100 rankings for 2014 put him at 66th while 2nd in earnings. See what I’m getting at?

            And I didn’t say missing a race or two in the US would diminish or increase his stud value. Frankly unless he does something very extraordinary on the dirt in the U.S., he is most likely maxed out. So why drag him all over the place?

            Durability… not sure what you think he’s “been through” other than a heel grab. They have not (thankfully) put him through the meat grinder that some programs use. I suspect his “durability” is more the result of being in Mr. Sherman’s barn than conformation.

            Have a lovely weekend.

          • Pebbles

            We are not just enamored with the horse. Some of us respect the decision of the owner to do something different with the horse. Most owners would have retired their horse after its 3 year old season. These owners decided to try something different.

            Perhaps the owner knows that he is not much of a stallion prospect and is going because he just likes racing the horse and wants to see what he can do matched up against the top horses in the world? If he wins, great. If he doesn’t it will have no impact as he returns to the US for a late summer, fall campaign, and eventual sale and retirement.

            You have yet to demonstrate at all how participating in two turf races in Great Britain will diminish his current stallion value even if he finishes up the track in both. The Japanese want him. They will want him just as much no matter what happens at Newmarket and Royal Ascot.

            I appreciate your insights, but I know all about ill- tempered stallions from Danzig, to Dynaformer, Touch Gold, etc. Of course, its always talent and ability first. Tat goes without saying. But speaking with breeders for decades, it never hurts if a horse has a good temperament as a stallion as well.

            With you experience, you should know that earnings are an issue depending where you have won them – running in the biggest races in the world…as opposed to allowance races. This is exactly what Chrome has done.

            Finally, you did say that what his connections did would impact his stud value. If you hadn’t I would not have responded. You stated:

            “CC’s stud value is limited and every misstep will amplify that. ”

            And if you really believe racing in Great Britain will have no impact, then why do you care if he does or not? The horse seems happy, he is being well taken care of, so why not let him run?

            You enjoy your weekend as well. Hopefully it will be spent in some capacity with our equine friends.

          • reality check

            Let’s be honest… if the Japanese wanted him, he’d already belong to them. They have the means to have already done the deal if they’d chosen. I don’t buy the keep him racing for the fans thing. That’s too high of a risk of loss if something happened to him. Maybe they didn’t offer what the owners think he is worth and now they are trying to justify their price. Who knows. The Japanese are not going to view finishing up the track in Eng favorably. And remember the honor and respect are big to their culture.

            I’m not sure with whom you were speaking but short of show horse folks or maybe the single hands on owner who has little to no help, temperament just isn’t a factor. I work on the breeding side. The majors are not concerned about brains. Does it hurt? No. But will they avoid breeding to a bad minded one? No. I’ve worked the yearling and breeding stock sales. Brains and temperament are highly appreciated, at least by me. lol

            Yes G1 wins are more important than allowances. Never said they weren’t. But again, look at the point I made and tell me, who has CC beat in $2m worth of earning in 2015 – that matters. That’s why if you go to the Stallion Register or farm websites, the information regarding the stallions includes who they beat.

            I actually don’t care if they run him or not. I am ambivalent about him as a race horse. I do take issue with acting like Martin has any idea what he’s doing. As a hands on owner, the horse matters to me… it’s not just feed, hay and water that matters to them.

            I have 6 of my own as well as work in the TB industry. I have 365 days a years of equine friends. :)

          • AngelaInAbilene

            Thanks, you have infinitely more patience than I.

          • Barbara Bowen

            That was one of the best long read comments on PR ever.

    • Angelo

      Perhaps we are missing the point.

  • 4Bellwether666

    Martin hit the nail on the old noggin when he wanted to get Chrome over there for a prep race and get him acclimated to the other side of the world/track…Gio Ponti’s connections wish that’s what they had done with him also…Both came in second which is still pretty strong…Hope CC does really well in England and may lady luck be in their corner…

    • Rob Yetman

      Gio Ponti ran 5th in the Dubai World Cup.

      • 4Bellwether666

        ty…

  • Bein

    Perry Martin lost me when he chose to sulk about some perceived slight at the KD instead of attending the Preakness. Unbelievable.

    Anyway, it looks like he believes it’s his expertise and careful planning that got CC to where he is. He admits, after all, he’s only made one mistake, that being allowing the horse to run in the San Antonio. It sounds like this whole experience for Mr. Martin is about Mr. Martin, and how crazy shrewd he is, not the horse.

    That said, I’m looking forward to seeing CC at Newmarket. Where are the pictures of his arrival?

    • Dee R. Eff

      It was Coburn that used the post race press conference to whine about being slighted. Just saying.

      • Bein

        Coburn made his comments after the Preakness ran. He was there, Martin wasn’t. Martin watched the race from an ‘undisclosed’ location. Reporting on that odd choice said that he was mad because when he chose to take his frail, wheelchair bound Mother to the rail to watch the Derby, they weren’t able to see much. I guess he thought that CD should have been able to keep a cleared, protective area about him and whoever was with him. If that had been possible in a Derby crowd, it may have helped, but he still would have been at the rail, with limited view of the race. Anyway, that’s that. I’m sure you could find the stories I’m referencing, if you looked.

        • Pebbles

          Having had to deal with the plight of the handicapped at racing venues, I can deeply sympathize with Martin in this regard. More should be done. Remember Churchill Downs has not been known for their hospitality. Ron Turcotte can attest to that.

        • Dee R. Eff

          You’re right, it was Martin’s mother and wanting more of that red carpet, but it was Coburn that complained about it on the Preakness podium and post race conference.

        • OopsyDaisy3

          Martin’s mother eventually passed away after the Kentucky Derby.
          Later Martin was attending her funeral during one of California Chrome’s races. It is way past time to quit dredging up crap you know nothing about. Martin was not the only person ignored at The Kentucky Derby. i am not dredging that up again either.

          Also, in one of your comments you stated Martin made 1 mistake, read his statement again Bein, he said he made two. Linda in Texas

        • Angelo

          No where did Martin report anything about being mad. Coburn obviously just wanted to get into the press as usual. Coburn claimed that he was pushing the chair around even after photo’s of the Churchill people carrying the chair were released.

        • Angelo

          Martin did not say anything about the Churchill hospitality. Coburn decided to do that on his own. It was Coburn! Not Martin. Lol. Pun on the make believe Coburn complainer.

      • Boknows

        Because his partner was no where to be found! He left it do Steve to do the dirty work! Wise Up!! This is how Martin as wanted it.

        • Dee R. Eff

          Wise up? So Martin is the bad guy and Coburn is the good guy in a cowboy hat? Maybe you should wise up. Coburn’s ignorant rant to the world will never be forgotten. He had time to think and gave the same rant again on national tv the next day. He only apologized for how and when he said it not for what he said. Wise up.

          • Angelo

            Coburn has ignorantly been ranting at his partner all of this time. I would spend as little time with him as well if I were in Martin’s shoes.

    • Barbara Bowen

      In fairness to Martin he had a previous plan to celebrate his wedding anniversary that weekend or that was his story. Why he wouldn’t have planned on being at Preakness since he claims to have mapped Chrome’s 2014 three year old campaign a year in advance is something only he can answer.

  • IrishMick

    Can’t blame the guy for not wanting to run against Shared Belief…..

  • Jack Frazier

    The competition between Chrome and Shared Belief would have done more than enough to elevated the horse. Had Chrome beaten Belief, a rivalry would have been created that would have brought fans to every track they raced. This is reminiscent of the Seattle Slew crew. Their friendship ended on bad terms; they screwed over Billy Turner; the pressure on Doug P. shortened his life considerably. It is all about the money not the horse. There are too many if’s in this action. I hope Chrome runs well and stays healthy. This is almost like a divorce. I apologize to Mr. Coburn as he truly loves this horse and clearly what he wanted was overridden by Martin. It will be interesting to see the next shoe drop. I hope Art Sherman, an fantastic old school horseman, gets him back. I think it is 1-9 he won’t no matter what has been said.

    • Concerned Observer

      Jack, Interesting bunch of comments on this move.. Owning a high profile horse brings out the no-investment second guessers by the score. We have to respect the fact that the owner is not dancing around to avoid competition. It is his horse, and his money, win or lose.
      I hope it goes well, the sport needs a horse hero.

      • Jack Frazier

        I agree to some extent. His horse and whatever happens is on him. Hope Chrome does well and returns sound

    • Pebbles

      Perhaps, but that would have done nothing to increase his marketability as a stallion. Breeders already know he is good on dirt. He is being shopped around the world. He tried Dubai and did well and we’ll see how he does in at Royal Ascot. And he will head back to Art Sherman. He knows the horse the best and Martin will not want to endure the criticism not sending him back to Sherman would entail.

      • Jack Frazier

        Correct but do you think Europeans will flock to his book with his modest pedigree that he has out-performed?

        • Meg Hiers

          I think the racing overseas has more to do with proving he can still run off raceway medication. That would likely matter more to foreign stallion investors.

        • Pebbles

          No. But you never know.

          • Jack Frazier

            It is a strange world. Who knows?

      • Barbara Bowen

        I think he’d be willing to endure it. He doesn’t seem to care what anyone thinks which can be a blessing and a curse at the same time.

        • Pebbles

          I think he cares more than you realize. If he did not, he would not have issued the above release.

          • Barbara Bowen

            He issued it so he could not answer multiple reporter’s calls. Sherman is clearly of the impression that he will not see the horse again except when he goes to visit him, hence his honest comments when he does answer reporter’s calls.

  • Kathryn R Wilt

    I think that there is another “partner” in the mix. Junior was moved awfully quick.

    • Bein

      Any inside information to share, Kathryn? I’ve noticed that Martin and Coburn started out as ‘partners’ and not too long ago the terminology changed to ‘majority owner’ for Martin.

      • Kathryn R Wilt

        Language in this media announcement indicated there was a shift in the %…not the happiest of pr methods to use.I think that it is an individual that is US based that has always had international turf dreams.

  • c. biscuit

    I’m a Chrome fan but I’m getting really tired of Martin.
    He loves the spotlight and it’s all about him. What happened to the other partner?
    Doesn’t Sherman have a say???
    I think (sadly for Chrome and racing fans) his 15 minutes of fame is coming to an end and we’ll never hear from him again, just like the owner of Hansen who simply lost his mind.

    • Pebbles

      You not of what you speak.

      Martin is shy and reclusive. He avoids the spotlight to the extent possible.

  • just an observer

    Perry Martin, you’ve made at least two mistakes, the other one being going to Parx for his comeback race after the layoff to heal his foot following the Belmont. We all know that you went for the appearance fee

    • Pebbles

      The mistake was not going to the PA Derby. The mistakes was not bringing him back to the track to race one race earlier. He needed a race before the PA Derby because Chrome is the type of horse who races himself into fitness. With a race under his belt, the PA Derby result would have been different – maybe the same winner – but a different Chrome.

      • Steve

        He didn’t say it was a mistake to go to the PA derby, just not off the layoff to heal the foot

        • Pebbles

          He implied that the travel hurt Chrome racing here off of the lay off, as if staying California would have been preferable which is nonsense. The horses was fully healed. If I misinterpreted his remarks wrong, I’ll be the first withdraw my comment, but only he can answer that, not you. ;-)

      • Barbara Bowen

        You don’t think Chrome needed the time off they gave him after Belmont? 2 weeks at track for hoof to heal, and six weeks in true turn out to be a horse…that typically means six weeks back at track at minimum if all goes perfect before racing again…and they were working back from BC Classic on Nov. 1. In more 20/20 hindsight would have been better to run in Awesome Again against Shared Belief even if he lost to him, would have been a better tightener for the Classic where as it turns out SB was taken out shortly after the start.

  • Is he the owner with his left foot stuck in the bucket, or the other one who has his right foot trapped?

  • Beach

    I care most about whether or not Chrome is safe, healthy, and happy and he is that, I believe. I do wish someone from his team could travel with him, as he has never been without; if not I hope he adjusts well to new people.

    I admit I’m so tired of hearing about “the value of a stallion” as a motivator, here or anywhere else. At this time and so many others, “the value of a stallion” is no more than a crapshoot. I agree with Mr. Mitchell when he says that, if I’m remembering it correctly, “a pedigree doesn’t make a champion, a champion makes a pedigree.” Even so, we hope. How many horses in the past have been fantastic racehorses and crappy sires? How many great sires were not the most distinguished racehorses? One never knows much of anything about this until there are perhaps 2-3 crops out of these animals.

    If Mr. Martin wants to prepare Chrome to race at Ascot, that is his choice, and I pray Chrome is safe and successful. The horse has already proved that he can race well without Lasix on multiple surfaces, albeit we will see the outcomes on British turf and with British training methods. Nothing wrong with those. But it is obvious that, as usual, the grand motivator is money, and it looks more and more every day like Chrome will be hocked to the highest overseas bidder. Thus, let’s get him to Ascot to see if we can up the price. So much for any domestic dreams of him standing locally, possibly in California, and contributing extensively to its or other states’ breeding programs, as Tiznow has. People can do what they want with their horses, and they do every day; much of it leaving a lot to be desired. But I feel for the Coburns, because perhaps they might like Chrome to stick around too, at least for a bit, and they probably won’t get much of a vote.

    I’m glad I will never have much money, because I don’t wish to be corrupted or driven by money, or “more money”. I love my animals way more than I could ever love money. Perhaps that would make me a lousy businesswoman, but I like it that way.

    We’ll also see, with time, whether it was right, wrong, or indifferent to blow Chrome off as a domestic stallion. I think it’s dumb that so many tend to just sell the horse to the highest bidder, long prior to them knowing what they really have. I bet no one knew that Tapit would turn out to be the great sire he is, and look at him now. Nobody knew–till everybody knew. And I am glad Tapit is here in America.

    • Boknows

      So well said Beach and so true!! God Bless you! Greed and Notoriety can be the Devils work and then there are those that handle it well! But I agree with you, you Must have a Love for God’s creatures no matter how large or how small or how much money they can make for you. Some people never figure that out, but someday they will although it might be to late.

  • J Brian Engelking

    This is going to be very interesting from an athletic perspective watching how CC adapts/reacts to the EUR style of race training. He will be in better air and a better facility which cannot be a bad thing. I think his physical improvements will surprise many.

  • epj

    Going to England is a daring move. If he does great Martin will get the credit. However, if Chrome tanks his value will depreciate and be considered a horse with just a lot of hype. Another consideration is the removal of Team Sherman. Mr. Martin has not been around enough horses to understand that horses put in an entirely new environment can do an about face, especially when facing unknown circumstances such Ascot. He thinks training is some simple task and Chrome is push button. He will not be the first owner in the business to get egg on his face from over confidence. We shall see…

    • Pebbles

      His value will not depreciate. Where do you get this from? Martin is absolutely correct in noting that the most interest in Chrome is in Japan and the US. Succeeding on turf in Europe will open doors in Europe. Failing on turf will do little to impact his stallion value elsewhere. These are facts.

      And you fail to give Martin the credit he deserves. He may not be a bloodstock agent, but he did pretty well plotting the breeding of his mare to Lucky Pulpit. He may not be a racing manager, but he did pretty well charting the campaign for California Chrome to win the Kentucky Derby and almost the Triple Crown. He may not own a breeding farm, but he is doing well to try and increase his marketability as a stallion.

      It seems many, not all, of the persons who take issue with what is being done with Chrome are those who have never been a fan of Chrome to begin with, or have always had issues with the connections since the Belmont Stakes or before.

      • epj

        Thanks for pre-judging me. I have been a fan of Chrome and connections. However, I have been in business long enough to know disloyalty when I see it. Sacking Sherman was wrong because they finished 2nd in Dubai. Owners forget that good trainers and their team are often the reason they look so smart…

        • Pebbles

          Well, you did not sound like much of a fan speaking of his value depreciating.

          Martin did not sack Sherman. Martin likely reacted to following the wishes of Coburn and Sherman in the San Antonio and said he wanted to give the horse the best chance and ship him to England from Dubai. Sherman probably indicated that he was unwilling to train him there due to his other responsibilities.

          When Chrome returns to the states he will be trained by Art Sherman. However, Sherman does not have experience training and England and at his age probably does not want to travel. This is why he did not want to go to Dubai or Ascot and that is totally understandable. Sometimes there are disagreements between trainers and connections. It happens. This is why I refrain from condemning folks unless I happen to know the entire story. But that’s me.

          • epj

            If that’s the case…why not the best in England not a friend of an exercise rider they know? …Usually in these situations the owners decide they want to train their champion by proxy. So they hire a shill or someone easily manipulated. I wouldn’t be surprised these owners will be on the phone everyday harassing this new trainer and calling the rider too. Happens every day in the sport and especially with a horse like Chrome…

          • Pebbles

            Its not exactly as you put it. They got a successful trainer at Newmarket who actually was recommended by a former exercise rider of Art Sherman’s. Often you get things by who you know, and if the relationship between Art Sherman and Perry Martin were so bad, why would they accept the recommendation of the former Sherman exercised rider? The trainer, Rae Guest, a former rider and assistant to leading Newmarket trainer Luca Cumani, has been training since 1988 and has a good reputation having a number of stakes winners. I am certain Chrome will be fine in his care. And Alan Sherman will be visiting in the next couple of weeks.

          • epj

            They can call the exercise rider every five minutes for an update…that’s why. They wouldn’t go to a total unknown for that reason….I’ve seen that happen a lot….They can also try to train the horse themselves through the rider…seen that too….That new trainer may have his hands full with this deal…

          • Pebbles

            Then again, they may let the trainer do as they let Art Sherman do and just have him train the horse.

          • trooper seven

            Amazing how your predictions haven’t worked out at all.

          • Angelo

            Nicely written and expressed.

        • J Brian Engelking

          Having been in the business, you should also realize that success goes both ways. Sometimes the horse can make the trainer. Would Team Sherman have taken CC to the Derby if not for Perry’s plan? Maybe or maybe not. He may have ended up being a really good CA bred racehorse with a few CA stakes wins because that is what TS does well. In their 30+ years training, TS have had many G1 horses but only one or two have raced outside CA. Is that putting the horse and ownership in the best position to maximize their potential? There is a reason we constantly see the same trainers in the Triple Crown/BC races. They have national training machines that can place horses anywhere necessary to get to the big races, maximize the horses potential and fulfill ownership goals and dreams. Mr Sherman and team are excellent regional trainers, seemingly wonderful people and successful by any measure… except getting horses to the big US races (other than CC). If we raced in CA, I would consider using Team Sherman. But, as an owner, I would also make sure their racing plan was in the best interest of the horse and not just fitting to their business model. Trust but verify….

          • epj

            You sound like an owner…National trainers are often selected on hype. A lot of these name brand guys you speak of don’t advertize the many horses that don’t make it through their program. I think they are great businessmen for sure. They understand showmanship. However, if a horse could choose they would pick a knowledgeable hands on barn any day over a “numbers” barn. The reason I know this for sure is I have seen a enough horse ambulances show up with these big stables. The trainer is up in the grandstand schmoozing while the $450.00/ per week assistant is calling the shots. The horses that make it to the top are superstars that can endure the abuse….not the genius of the wunderkind nationally ranked “promoter” trainer. Now, I’m not going to condemn all of them mind you, but there are enough of them around that makes this business predatory. The guys like Art Sherman that can’t make the grade nationally aren’t given the chance because they don’t have the stage presence or the chutzpa to con. PS this isn’t only my opinion but the opinion of most of my peers in the sport and they are many…

    • Angelo

      I think that Martin is a grown up man with a high EQ who gives himself credit for losses as well as wins. I wish him and his horse well.

  • Jack

    Do you people seriously think this little above average horse can go to a strange place on tall turf and run clockwise and beat England’s best horses, what are you guys smoking, this horse has zero chance and the move is as stupid as this moron owner is, there are tons of races in America without Shared Belief. Animal Kingdom a far superior horse and really proven on grass went there and got his clock cleaned.

    • Noelle

      I read that Animal Kingdom was distracted by a filly at Ascot and preferred following her to winning the race. Whatever happened, I don’t see how that single performance says anything about California Chrome’s chances.

      Aside from the Animal Kingdom comment, your only other points nothing but ad hominem attacks – the owner is a “moron” and Chrome is “little above average”.

      Overall, I’d say you haven’t made your case.

    • Angelo

      Perhaps this is not about the win.

  • danstep

    cant help but contunue to laugh at all the Chrome defenders..dont care whether Im in the minority or not….MOST overrated derby winner and been saying it since the fall…excuse after excuse when he STILL hasnt won a dirt race since the Preakness…this is a nice horse but doesnt hold a candle to Shared Belief who SHOULD have been HOY

    • lioneltrain

      i dont agree his race in the BC was very very good—and running second in dubai is no disgrace—SB is better—but to say hes a bum and overrated goes too far—-

      • Boknows

        We will see if SB is better when he starts to travel!! Also SB did not have to go through the Grind of the Triple Crown, so it is easy for people to run there mouth. If SB was so Great he should have been in Dubai for the Big race with Chrome! They hand pick every race for this horse but that is getting ready to change and we will see how it goes! Don’t forget California Chrome has already beaten SB once in the BC so they are even at this point!

        • danstep

          wow, you are really reaching bodontknow by saying CC beat SB in the classic…

          • Boknows

            Dan you have lost your step! He beat him just like the two other horses! Maybe need to open your eyes and quick making excuses. You SB fans better watch what you say because the down side will be Hell if your horse loses..

      • danstep

        didn’t say he was a bum….he is a nice horse but not as good as alot think or believe….didn’t even mention his last dirt with the Preakness was merely an allowance race…did he run a very good race in classic??? Yup….did he win…nope…with no excuse and alot of help with S.B. taken out

        • lioneltrain

          There’s a lot to be said for winning stakes on turf and dirt as CC has— a lot of people forget secretariat may have been even better on turf—that what made him the best ever in my opinion— CC is a serious racehorse

  • david hock

    the man’s a newbie who doesn’t know what he’s doing and is too filled with hubris to listen to those who do. short odds chrome isn’t around for the breeders cup.

  • Sue M. Chapman

    Prior to the San Felipe, I shared Chrome’s workout with a world class horsemen. He agreed that after the first or second 1/8 he spit the bit and failed to quicken the final quarter. The rider had loose lines. He did the same thing in his previous work. Shared Belief rolled past him because Chrome failed to kick it into a higher gear in the San Antonio. He looked hot in Dubai, and raced without finding another gear again. He has simply been galloping and breezing badly. I mention this because European Racing requires HORSES to QUICKEN AND CLOSE. Unless California Chrome’s training style dramatically changes, Royal Epsom is a very bad choice. .

  • Jim Hawley

    I find this whole “defense” very disturbing; 1. What are Perry Martin’s credentials for managing a stallion career much less a racing career? 2. At no time did he mention what was best for the horse! Just what he thought would bring Martin the greatest glory. 3. Martin says clearly he is making the decisions and managing Chrome. That is what your trainer is for. Overruling your trainer never turns out well.

    Martin is arrogant, ignorant, and egotistical. He acts like he created Chrome from a lump of clay. This beautiful and talented horse was placed in his care by the grace of god and developed by an honest experienced trainer in Art Sherman. For Martin to assume he knows better than anyone how to manage this horse is an affront to true horsemanship and an insult to the very horse who should have brought him nothing but joy.

    Unfortunately this sociopathic behavior is very common in our business. Hopefully California Chrome can overcome this maniacal intrusion. Unlike his owners Chrome’s class and intelligence are unquestioned.

    • Boknows

      Amen Jim!!

    • Pebbles

      He has one very important credential. He is still the owner of the horse. Also, just to clarify, he is managing his racing career, not his stallion career. He believes given the ability Chrome has shown on dirt, and the international stallion interests that exist, the only way to increase his marketability is to test the water outside of the US. What better way to do that than to not only visit stallion farms in Europe, but to actually campaign your horse there where interested parties can actually see the stallion prospect train and race in person.

      He has always mentioned what is best for the horse. He thought what was best for the horse was allowing him to acclimate to Dubai, the climate, the track, etc. was to send him there early ala Curlin. He believed this would have maximized Chrome’s chance for success. How can you disagree that Chrome would have had a better chance to win with more time to acclimate? Martin deferred to the trainer and other connections and he saw the result. His horse ran well, but perhaps not at his best. If you saw Chrome go in the gate he did not look good, despite his looking good training up to the race. So, there is evidence to support his position that coming earlier would have been more beneficial.

      Now, he is taking the interests of the horse as number 1 in his mind shipping him to England earlier. Thus, rather than forcing the horse to endure two trans-atlantic flights, he will only have 1. How is that not in the horse’s best interests?

      In what world is the trainer allowed to manage a major horse’s racing schedule without consultation with the owner? The owner is in charge. The owner makes the final decisions. This is why it is the sport of kings and not trainers because the kings are the owners who finance everything and pay the bills.

      Your characterizations of Perry Martin are way off base.

      • Bill O’Gorman

        I’m glad you make that point. The owner is in charge. And the owner should get the high jump when his horse fails a test. Thank you.

        • Pebbles

          Let me know when he fails a test. 3rd in the BC Classic, 2nd in the San Antonio, and 2nd in the Dubai World Cup is not exactly failing a test.

      • Barbara Bowen

        You run a horse where he can win or run well, it is called spotting your horse correctly. Like a child – if they are good at something let them be good at that, don’t ask them to do something else that suits you as the parent instead. Long term successful owners find a trainer they trust and then listen to the trainer – who was listening to the horse.

        The PM excuse du jour that Chrome would have won DWC if he had gone to Dubai for a prep is just absurd as well as Chrome did run in DWC. And he would never have agreed to run Chrome under the weight Curlin carried in his prep;-)

        • reality check

          Exactly

  • Keyne

    This move,BASED ON GREED,AND NOT IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE HORSE,is doomed to fail.Chrome is a nice dirt horse who has no business being on the same turf course with the best in England.This move really worked well for Animal Kingdom didn’t it?And Kingdom was far superior than Chrome on turf.These owners are really easy to root against…

  • Michael Castellano

    Chrome is a good horse, but not a great horse. I think he is going to be way over his head running on the grass in Britain against the top grass horses. He’s clearly a better dirt horse, and has no pedigree for the turf, so I can’t buy the argument that this is going to increase his stud value, even if he manages a successful campaign. They have every right to take him over there, but it in no way will increase his stud values. I think they must know that, and they just wanted to go give it a try. And avoid horses like Palace Malice, Bayern, and Shared Belief.

  • Steve

    Perry Martin is just trying to live up to the first two words of his stable name

  • naprovniknaprovnik

    Guess the same folks who are sooooooooo upset about the decision to send C. Chrome to the UK to prep for Ascot need to fire up their keyboards to spew the SAME venom for the connections of Mshawish… cricket….cricket… cricket… (so it’s about the horse, NOT about the circumstances) ;-)

  • Angelo

    It’s very obvious that Perry Martin has always taken the high road. This is the first time that Martin as made a comment directed at his partner. Coburn was elevated from obscurity into the public eye because of Martin and his astute business sense and kindness towards the Coburns. They’ve never been rebuked by Martin for making rude and misinformed comments to the media about himself, his family, his business or the nastiness Coburn has exhibited towards other owners. He has taken Coburn in stride and allowed the man to grow and make his mistakes. Frankly, I would be in tears too if overnight I was suddenly a hero to the children and grandchildren that I did not raise or know. I doubt that the Coburns appreciate the man.

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