‘Checkmate Partners’: Chrome Owner Martin Calls Out Del Mar

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The Dumb Ass Partners, owners of classic winner California Chrome The Dumb Ass Partners, owners of classic winner California Chrome

Perry Martin, a co-owner of dual classic winner California Chrome, posted a press release on Saturday regarding their refusal to ship California Chrome to Del Mar for an appearance on Pacific Classic day.

The refusal came after the partners asked $50,000 from Del Mar for the colt to appear and that request was turned down by the track. In this release, Martin said that Del Mar “let slip” details of private conversations between the owners and the track to the media.

Martin went on to give an explanation on why they would not send California Chrome to the track for no compensation.

Read Martin’s full release below:

The chess game began a little over three weeks ago. Del Mar PR let it slip “accidently” that there was a chance California Chrome might appear at Del Mar on sPacific Classic Day (I forget is Del Mar the Spa or Saratoga?). Well, “let slip” might not be quite right, they called the Media persons they have in their pocket to get the news out. (Does not take much to have these local media types in their pocket. They invite to a race day, slap them on the back saying they are honored to have them there. Escort them to an “Exclusive Track Venue” and wink to the bartender. “Joe, Mr/Ms XXX’s drinks are on Del Mar”) The opening gambit did not work well. Sure the local pocket media went with it but very few secondary outlets picked it up. Most ran stories of Chrome’s vacation at Harris Ranch. Next, the middle game.

After a few days when it was clear that they had not really created the buzz they were looking for, Del Mar PR called Chrome’s trainer Art Sherman. Art is an amiable guy and when they told him they wanted to honor “Team Chrome” on sPacific Classic Day he said the right thing, “That sounds good but you’ll have to check with the owners.” That phone conversation somehow (?) got to the local pocket media and they ran with it. Del Mar in conversations with “Team Chrome” for appearance at Del Mar on sPacific Classic Day. This did get picked up by a few secondary outlets and made local Chromies happy they may have a chance to cheer on Chrome locally.

The phone call I was waiting for from Del Mar PR finally came while I was at work at Martin Testing Labs. The voice on the other end of the line said Del Mar wanted to honor Chrome and Team Chrome on sPacific Classic Day. I was supposed to be honored to pay a van driver to drive Chrome to and from Del Mar. Honored to travel 500 miles, put my wife and I up in a hotel then sit under a tent in the hot sun to sign autographs for an hour or two. Honored to pay for an insurance rider to cover the horse in case injured in the performance of non-racing activities. Honored to pay the horse’s handlers (groom, exercise rider and hot walker) to work during their usual time off. Let me make this clear, there was no offer from Del Mar to cover any expenses. I was quiet and listened hard for some time and nothing was forthcoming. I then said, “I can see how Del Mar will benefit from Chrome appearing. He is very popular and people will come out to see him. How do we benefit?” The voice on the other end of the line sounded quite surprised, “You mean a financial agreement?” I said, “Is there any other kind?” The voice, “Well Del Mar is a not for profit and turns over all monies to the State. We don’t usually have money for appearance fees. I’d have to discuss this with management. What would you want?” I asked for and received his e-mail address, I told h im I would discuss with my partner Steve and e-mail him. Steve and I knew that what was best for the horse was staying home and concentrating on his return to racing. The fans are important to us but the horse will be racing just a few weeks later not very far away. The only real benefit here is to Del Mar to spike attendance that was clear, at least to these Dumb-Asses. I e-mailed our requirements in detail, none of the detail was picked up by the local pocket media. $10,000 for expenses (Vanning, insurance, travel & per diem). A little high yes but not much and I was not going to give them the benefit of the doubt. Besides, it got us to a nice round number. $20,000 to the owners ($10,000 each) and $20,000 to “Team Sherman”. $50,000 total. I wanted to make sure everyone on the team got an appearance fee, especially the so-called unappreciated ones like Raul and Willy. We appreciate them! Hey, I thought it was a good deal. Baffert got $50K for 45 minutes of autographs in New Jersey. I’m only worth $10K and I know it :)

Within an hour of sending the e-mail I started getting calls from the local pocket media. “Chrome wouldnot be appearing because of the greedy owners – DAP”. I wonder how they knew? Was Del Mar playing chess with the Dumb-Ass Partners? Will we be shamed into having our horse appear? Well, I’ve checked Chrome’s schedule and he will not have time to appear at sPacific Classic Day and there is no race of interest to us at Del Mar until 2017 (Breeders Cup). I’m wondering if he’ll be racing then. People take the Dumb-Ass Partner name way too serious. We may have to change it. How about Checkmate Partners?

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  • jackmw

    It appears that California Chrome is enjoying his turn out/freshening. Meanwhile the circus atmosphere surrounding the owners and various race tracks continues to keep us amused. In this latest episode Del Mar has completely disregarded the well being of CC putting it’s own interests before the horse. Someone should tell them that in this business the HORSE comes first!!

    • Robb

      Tell that to the horse’s owners too. Chrome isn’t getting $50,000 in cookies.

      • Beach

        I’d bet he’s getting all the cookies he can have, and personally, as I’ve said before, I think parades are for retirement. And I’m a big fan of his; I’d love to see him. But what matters now is HIS routine and HIS health–not me, my money, or my photo-op. If I want to see him now, I can/will watch him race.

        • rainbowrun

          The welfare of the horse is most important….however, that “welfare” seems to go out the window, if the price is right….and I’ve read it’s “no less than $100k or he stays in his paddock”.

          • Smart American

            That came from a fan site, not the owners.

          • Beach

            I think he pulled a number out of his bottom that they would never meet. Negotiating, I think Mr. Martin, because he and co. really didn’t want to do this, would have been in more “trouble” had they said, “Name whatever price and we’ll pay it.” But they didn’t–because if you ask me, they(the track) were probably trying to get what they wanted without at first(or at all) offering the same thing they offer what they perceive as “bigger fish” to make appearances.

            I also agree with a commenter above that the track’s ultimate goal here was not the horse’s well-being, or the owners’/handlers’ convenience, or any fans’ desires–it was, ultimately, more bottoms in seats. And to the person who said yesterday “they don’t need more fans in the stands that day”, I beg to differ. As far as horse racing and tracks are concerned these days, there is no such thing as “too many fans”.

          • nu-fan

            I have had the same thought as you regarding that “number”. Something tells me that Mr. Martin realized that he was dealing with some yahoos from Del Mar who were asking a very stupid thing of he and his horse. He just came up with a number that he knew they wouldn’t agree with. Had he just declined, Del Mar and those others would have complained anyway about how he wasn’t allowing fans to see the horse. He was in a no win position. Del Mar is the entity that showed greed in wanting to fill their seats, get lots of great publicity—and, do so without incurring any of their own expenses. Very few tracks fill up their grandstands unless a very special race. Any overflow that they might have received–had California Chrome been paraded there–would have been met with extra seating or standing room only. Del Mar should be ashamed of themselves but, instead, are now trying to deflect all of this by pinning everything on Mr. Martin. What jerks!

          • Beach

            A great friend of mine has a saying for this sort of thing…”Have you ever shaken hands with someone, then pulled your hand back and found some of your fingers missing?” I feel that a lot when I read about this kind of stuff–and in this case, not from these owners.

        • KMF

          I saw him at Harris Ranch and it didn’t cost me a dime. Imagine that! The Kentucky Derby winner in the middle of nowhere and loving every minute of his vacation! He looks amazing, fresh, sparkly, put on a little weight. Look out

          • Beach

            He’s a good boy, with lots of nice people taking care of him, which helps. :)

          • KMF

            Totally. It was horse heaven and he’s a really good boy. I got to scratch his head….it was unreal, very therapeutic!

          • Beach

            If you get to go back, give his neck a hug from me. :)

          • KMF

            He leaves Thursday I think for Los al….

    • nu-fan

      What I have started noticing is how few people comment on some of the other recent Paulick news, some of which have been very interesting and, in some cases, more important than the DAP and their comments. What is with those people who seem to relish dragging down these owners? And, yes, I agree with you: The horse does come first and if anyone had any monetary interests in their horse, that is where their priority would (or should) be as well.

  • Robb

    The more California Chrome’s connections talk (or, in this instance, issue press releases), the more I regret rooting for them up to the finish of the Belmont Stakes. I’ll admit that I don’t know about costs to ship a horse to and from the track for a day, or to put somebody up in a nice hotel, but does it really all add up to $50,000 combined? I don’t fault CC’s connections for seeking appearance fees; they have every right to do it. I do, however, take exception with their public whining when they don’t get their way. If Del Mar doesn’t want to pay an appearance fee, certainly they could be creative. They could draw up an allowance or overnight stakes on Pacific Classic Day that Chrome could use (and, hopefully, win easily) and use as a prep for the Awesome Again and Breeders’ Cup Classic. But because CC’s owners aired their dirty laundry in public, I doubt Del Mar will bother to be creative at this point. And they don’t have to negotiate with these amateurs.

    • Beach

      It doesn’t sound to me that it’s DAP that didn’t “get their way”. Their “way”, as I read it, is that they want Chrome to remain on vacation and then back in training with Mr. Sherman. The ones that didn’t get their way are the ones who were asked for money(right, wrong, or indifferent), for a revenue-generating public appearance, and then were told “no” or “no thank you” when they wouldn’t provide said appearance fees, fair or not. Sounds to me that this is what negotiation is, and it ultimately resulted in a no-go, which happens. And then exactly WHO leaked it to the press to build the subsequent snowball?!!

      • Robb

        No, it’s crystal clear what their way was. They want appearance fees, and that’s fine. What isn’t fine is trashing Del Mar publicly over their initial refusal, press leaks be damned. They also trashed the reporters who did their job and did a story about this, and that also shows a total lack of class on DAP’s part. I agree with Bobby Flay– they own the most popular horse in America who swept two-thirds of the Triple Crown, and yet they act like everybody owes them something. Nobody owes them a thing. They’re going to get huge money– tens of millions– in syndication rights for a $10,000 colt. And yet they get their underwear bunched because Del Mar won’t give them $50,000 for a parade. Pardon me, I don’t feel sorry for the Dumbasses.

        • KMF

          Bobby Flayiz whining because with all his millions he hasn’t achieved anywhere near CC’s success. I’m proud of Perry Martin sticking it to the suits at Del Mar! The horse isn’t retired! The fee is set high to discourage appearance requests. They have been extremely good to their horse which cannot be said about quite a few big time owners and trainers. Check out what happened to Unbridled Belle. Bobby go back to cooking and making every dime you can off the Food Network!

        • Beach

          IMHO, what they did is drop the dime on Del Mar leaking private conversations and e-mails to the press because it didn’t get the appearance it wanted(probably, too, FOR FREE or close to it). That’s not a trash job if it’s the truth. And there are a lot of reporters out there whose first names should not be “Scoop”, but “Spin”.

          I don’t think they believe that “everybody owes them”, I think they believe perhaps that everyone wants a piece of them–one way or the other.

          I’m not asking you to feel sorry for anybody. I don’t–I just like the truth.

  • drain me

    Well said Mr. Martin. Del Mar is “non-profit” in the sense that the overpaid executives drain it dry to insure the least amount of money is left over at the end.

    • Terry

      Most overpaid losers in horse racing. The Del Mar Marketing team couldn’t sell water in the desert.

      • Pinking Duck

        DMTC didnt mind giving ownership of their fan forum to Lester, why would the squawk about $50K to DAP. strange world we live in.

  • riatea

    Should have nipped this all in the bud with a polite decline to their offer.

    • Beach

      I think the point is that it was negotiated in private, then when DAP’s answer was ultimately “no”, the negotiations were leaked and spun to and in the press–and initially, NOT by DAP. If you ask me, I don’t consider them perfect but this, instead, doesn’t reflect particularly well on Del Mar.

      • nu-fan

        I’m not sure why the piling on these two owners. There are so many more important and urgent issues in racing that should be taking precedence but, instead, there are those who seem to take a special glee in hammering away at them. The one entity that had more to gain from this stunt was Del Mar. It would have assured them more attendance and more publicity. They should accept responsibility in all of this instead of allowing Mr. Martin to be made a target.

        • Bein

          You’re not sure why the “piling on” these owners? I’ve never seen whiny, paranoid, self important behavior like theirs in horse racing in my life. That’s why they make the news with their antics.

          • Beach

            I’m not sure how I’d react either if I suspected I was being manipulated by either a silly marketing team or the press. But, beside that point, think about this, even if a current racehorse has a large fan base–Show up to be paraded before a big crowd at a big race, e.g., the Pacific Classic, for which you are ELIGIBLE(even if, of course, the timing is a bit off); but you’re not there to race, you’re just there to “parade”–that is just downright goofy. Even if a marketing team is hard up to put butts in seats.

  • Greg J.

    Bravo Mr. Martin!

  • Figless

    I would like to commend t hem for putting the horse first, but if that were TRULY the case they would have declined outright.

  • bobby flay

    To the owners of California Chrome….Please stop making public statements that dig you into a hole that you can’t get out of. You guys have no idea how lucky, yes lucky you are to have such a talented thoroughbred. In a time when thoroughbred horse racing could use only positive moments you guys are squandering the fun. I dare say that you owe it to the fans and the industry to be more friendly. I watched for 5 hours, just a few rows away on Belmont stakes day as “team Chrome” continued to rise to their feet and wave to the crowd as if you were waving to the people at St Peter’s in Rome. The NY crowd treated you guys like you were the Pope and it was only because we were all hoping that you’d be part of history. Ninety seconds after Chrome ran 4th the bitterness began and it hasn’t stopped since. STOP IT! You’re new members of this amazing game. You’re having success that you’ll never have again and you’re making us look bad to those looking through the glass. The folks at Del Mar are only trying to celebrate Chromes accomplishments and are excited that he hails from Cali. Don’t blame them for that.
    If I was lucky enough to have a major race track want to parade one of my horses, I’d be so honored. If expenses were actually an issue I’d have a quiet conversation about what they might actually be, not try to make a score for the whole team. NEWS FLASH.. California Chrome won the the Derby and the Preakness…I’m guessing money won’t be an issue for his expenses going forward.
    I completely understand that dealing with the media whether it’s local or national can be tricky and takes a little experience. In fact, the day after the Belmont debacle I chalked up to disappointment and lack of media training. You guys got your mulligan.
    I’ve made media mistakes in the past and I try to learn from them. If I can offer any advice in this regard going forward I’d be happy to oblige free of charge. I think it’s important especially because you own the most famous horse in America right now.. think about it.

    • Robb

      Excellent job, sir.

    • Beach

      But is it true that these WERE private conversations between DAP and Del Mar that were leaked to the press? If so I think the original “leaker”(enjoy the pun if you like) is more responsible for this subsequent small avalanche.

    • nicehorsey

      Bravo Bobby

    • Virginia Horseman

      There’s more than a little bit of jealousy in your post, Bobby. You’re more fun when you’re firing poor Jimmy Toner the way Steinbrenner used to fire Billy Martin.

      There is no reason why California Chrome’s connections should underwrite a publicity stunt to benefit the suits down at Del Mar. They are entitled to make some money just the same way you are entitled not to give your cookbooks away for free.

      • qwerty12

        Jealousy? He’s saying specifically the horse has earned his success. I don’t think Mr. Flay gives a rip about their success when he has his own on and off the track.

      • Lost In The Fog – Robert Lee

        Yes they are entitled to make some money. And yet everything they seem to be doing these days is contrary to that goal. Prior to Coburn’s inexcusable tirade following the Belmont loss they had a very marketable commodity in CC and were just beginning to monetize the horse’s popularity via CC merchandise sales and marketing deals (Sketchers is one example.) If the horse were to continue winning additional (not all) big races later in the year and/or as a four-year-old they would have been in a great position to capitalize on those opportunities. Instead, because of their arrogance and naiveté they have damaged the brand significantly and alienated a large portion of the horse’s fan base. They have completely squandered their opportunity. This press release is just one more example of an epic “fail” in that regard. There was a bigger picture but Martin and Coburn just couldn’t see it.

      • Southwest Dude

        Agreed, all they need to have happen is some drunk driver cut in front of a van and wipe out CC for an appearance that benefits Del Mar and not the owners.Why risk it, the DAPs are smarter than anyone gives credit for.

      • Chris Lowe

        Mr. Flay is going through trainers like Ria Antonia’s owners….

    • Ida Lee

      Thank you so much for taking the time to comment on the Chrome situation. It’s a shame that the owners of this most wonderful and beloved athlete are systematically ruining any good will they gained during the TC run. I just hope people don’t take it out on Chrome…

      • Beach

        DAP has their side of it, Del Mar has their side of it, and the truth is probably somewhere in the middle. All this does is give the masses something to argue about. End of story.

    • Kris

      Mr. Flay,
      With respect, of course there is luck involved in owning a horse like CC, however, do not forget that the DAP folks bought the mare, planned the mating, and had the vision that this horse was something special from the git-go. There was clearly more than luck involved in the career of California Chrome. Also, would you like to be sand-bagged by the media and the management of a race track into such an arrangement. I have to say that if I were in Mr. Martin and Mr. Coburn’s shoes that I would be a little off-put by the whole scenario. Peace.

      • Barbara Bowen

        No, actually it was entirely luck other then the great job the Shermans have done managing the colt. But the bad karma the owners have worked so hard to create is all on them.

        • Kris

          Barbara, I’m sorry you believe the CC story vis a vis the owners is due entirely to luck. I guess everyone that has ever enjoyed success in this sport can stop their hard work and simply cross they fingers and toes and wait for the good stuff to start. It must be nice living in such a simplistic world as you apparently do. You’ve just insulted all the people who get up early every morning and try to have some success in a most difficult sport/ business.

          • Barbara Bowen

            No, I told the truth about a couple of newbies who think they created their brilliant luck. Not all the people who have worked at it for a lifetime and never sniffed 1/10th of that lucky roll, but would be sure to know that was the difference if they did and act grateful and gracious, win or lose..

          • William L. Anton

            Barbara, do you ever have anything positive and or intelligent to say? I think it is time that you JUST SHUT UP!! Tell Hollendorfer he is just lucky. He out works any trainer I have ever seen.

          • Barbara Bowen

            Of course I do. Especially about the horses. Screaming at me to SHUT UP tells me you are really frustrated Bill, but I doubt it has much to do with me. As for luck, I noted the Shermans hard work and great management, just not the lucky first strike of the Breeder/Owners. The luck was a great story until it became sour. (Not sure where Hollendorfer comes in here but I know he works hard.)

            If everyone will step back and not ask me questions, then I will not comment further on the Chrome owner’s attitude. Clearly, I’ve said much too much:-)

          • Dcurtis

            Well a lot of people seem to have advice for CCs owners, one piece of advice “stop digging the hole” , from the comments you have made on here and the replies , I think you should heed that advice .

          • Barbara Bowen

            Yes, I agree. Then again, anonymous folks like you with nothing original to add… need that dug up dirt to kick on others, right? Feel better now? You’re welcome:-)

          • Mike Relva

            You aren’t bright enough to already quit while you’re behind. Bottom line is no matter if 99% of the public are against connections,it means very little.

          • Prince Expo

            Hollendorfer is the only trainer to ever claim a horse off me and actually win MORE races with him then i did. :) Guess that is is why i am not in the hall of fame !

          • christyJ

            Bill Anton, how is your training career?

          • Greg J.

            Perfectly stated, thank you.

          • bobjonestwo

            Kind of reminds of the words of “der Fuhrer” when he stated, “if you have a business, you didn’t build that.” I side completely with California Chrome’s owners on this one.

        • KMF

          Who are you to say that? Was John Henry luck? Barbaro has 4 full siblings who haven’t do a squat so maybe it has something to do with the star that is Chrome. Too bad Bobby hasn’t had much success at the track. Chrome still shines bright in spite of all this mumbo jumbo. And you don’t know what you’re talking about. I’ve met Chrome and he is spectacular!

          • Barbara Bowen

            Agree on Chrome. My comment had nothing to do with Chrome. Just that ending up with a great horse out of the 8k mare with 2500 stud was pure luck. The point about Barbaro’s siblings illustrates that. It wasn’t repeated, despite all the hard work. Although all Barbaro connections were much more deserving after all their years trying IMO. Yes John Henry was luck for the owner. Although Nickerson and McAnally deserve all the credit for finding the key to the horse.

          • Beach

            Related–remember all the inbred European royalty who were sadly passing around deadly hemophilia–and a lot of the “peasants” were having perfectly healthy babies. A peasant girl or boy could not have married(and thus, bred with) a prince or princess in the ivory tower, but it would have been a hell of a lot better for the gene pool, methinks.

            Frank Mitchell has it right–A pedigree doesn’t make a winner, a winner makes a pedigree.

            Sociologists also tend to call it the “lottery of birth”. A horse like CC should not be knocked, by you or anyone, simply because this is “random”. It is bloody RANDOM for us ALL…

          • Barbara Bowen

            I don’t know how to help some of you understand basic language. Another sign I need to stop trying no doubt. I never said a word about Chrome that is negative to the horse. Just to the full of it owners. Nor do I have any problem with Chrome’s breeding and frankly if Chrome owners had hit Powerball and bred a 7,000,000 mare to a 500,000 stallion, and won the Derby, they’d be just as lucky.

          • KMF

            I don’t agree. People have paid millions and their horse has done nothing. So yes it started with luck , but I am sick of everyone slamming this really nice horse! PETA did an expose on Steve Asmussen for crying out loud. The poor horse had no feet!

          • Beach

            I will never get over the nausea I feel re: what happened to that poor horse. God keep him…

          • Mike Relva

            We need more individuals like yourself on sites and less nutjobs like Barbara

        • Mike Relva

          Luck? Did you know luck plays a role with EVERY TRAINER on the planet from time to time in certain dynamics of the game. If you had two brain cells to rub together you would be dangerous. lol

      • cal gal

        kris , I have said all along they need a PR person, because they are idiots!

        • Kris

          Cal Gal, Perhaps you are correct about the need for PR, however, I like Coburn and Martin just the way they are. They are real and I can relate to that even if they say things that make me scratch my head.

      • Bein

        Haha! They bought the mare and planned the mating that would take them to the Derby? You make that sound so easy. If it isn’t extreme good luck this story turned out the way it did, I wonder why cheap mares and sprinting stallions don’t produce Triple Crown contenders every year?

      • Richard Holmes

        Kris, If a guy was the foremost expert on breeding in the entire world and he could breed any sire to any mare, it would still be a huge longshot to win the Kentucky Derby. Perry Martin is hardly the foremost expert on breeding in the world. I applaud him for doing some homework and finding the best possible match (sire) that he could for his mare for a reasonable price. But despite doing that, it was still a million to one shot to breed the Kentucky Derby winner (with a cheap mare and a cheap sire). If you don’t think it was mainly luck, then tell him to do it again. Let’s see if he breeds some more great horses. I know he thinks it was skill. There was probably some skill involved. He obviously picked a great match for his mare, but despite that it was still a million to one shot. I’ll call it about 10-20% skill and 80-90% luck.

        I remember when a friend first taught me to read the Racing Form about 30 years ago. I studied it for several hours and I went to the track and picked a couple of good winners. I made some money. I thought I was a genius. I studied the Racing Form and I came to the conclusion that a certain horse would win based on several factors. I was right. The horse won. Guess what? It was still mainly luck. The next several times I went to the track, I used most of the same reasoning and I lost. I wasn’t the expert that I thought I was. That first winning day was certainly based on a little bit of skill but mainly beginner’s luck.

        • Richard Holmes

          Going back to the original subject, I don’t think either one of the owners are bad guys. I think they are nice enough guys. I just think they are new to the sport and they don’t quite “get it” yet. When you are new to something, it can sometimes take several years to really understand the business, get all the nuances, and just know what is appropriate and what’s not appropriate. I think both owners would be well served to consult with their trainer before making any type of substantive public statements or decisions.

    • Anne

      Del Mar is thinking of their bottom line, period. For them to contact the DAP team and not even offer them compensation is ridiculous. Do you not think tracks pay trainers and owners to send their top horses to race in their big races? Of course they do. So they want the DAP team to ship their valuable thoroughbred to their track…for what???? Whats in it for them, other than putting Chrome at risk. If fans want to see Chrome, they know where he’s stabled, and Im sure they can watch him train, in the safety of his own track. You do indeed sound jealous. Not a pretty emotion.

    • Bubba

      I would agree with your post. It would have meant more and had more value if the only people who read it were the connections of Chrome. Something that you should have sent privately to them. Not released here to the mob.

    • Greg J.

      Mr. Flay, All due respect, but, as you know, nothing is free in this world. Baffert gets $50k appearance fees for Point Given, War Emblem, etc. I don’t blame Chrome’s owners at all asking for money to ship and show their star colt.
      And you say, “you’re making us look bad to those looking through the glass”. All due respect once again, but this is not what makes you and owners look bad, what really makes owners look bad are the ones that put ego and greed before the welfare of their horse, those issues are alot more important then this, IMHO.

      • Bo

        Well said my friend!!

        • Greg J.

          Thank you Bo.

      • KMF

        Well said Greg j. !

    • http://www.erickalet.zenfolio.com Eric Kalet

      No disrespect meant by this – BUT – is this the REAL Bobby Flay?

    • Smart American

      Really Bobby? How about we transport you in a trailer, slap a saddle on you and parade you around? Oh and you have to pay all your own expenses to get there and back, food, insurance etc. And take you away from your current activities,that would be ok, right?

    • Casey Phillips

      Bobby- do you REALLY mean to say that if you had a horse like Chrome, who was STILL racing, you would risk possible injury or illness to that horse, just so everyone could “feel good” because they saw him? Seriously? I can see parading him when he’s retired- but he’s still racing with plans to race next year as well. I’d venture to guess your horse would be bubble wrapped for safety until retired, as most race horses are.

      • Ann Maree

        Agree, Casey. The second half of the year will be extremely important for Chrome. JMHO, he should not consider racing in anything except a Grade 1 prep for the Classic — preferably a “win and you’re in” race like the Awesome Again”. Yes, it would be nice to have him race at Los Al, but he can do that next year. End of year honors are on the line, and in spite of his many accomplishments so far, one or two more Grade 1s on his resume and a first or second in the Classic, should guarantee HOY for Chrome, which in my humble o should be first and foremost on the minds of his owners, and not making appearances, for money or not. Plenty of time at the end of the season to do those types of activities. I continue to love the horse, and I do wish the owners would get some professional PR help, for their sake as well as that of the public.

    • Robb

      I love how so many commenters here turned this into a Bobby Flay bashfest. That might be the only thing more ridiculous than Perry Martin’s press release.

    • KMF

      Get over yourself and your Botox and let’s see you work all day for free, donate all your cookbooks, etc. get back into the kitchen where you belong. You are ruining the reputation of horseracing not DAP. Jealous much??

    • 31 Smart

      Bobby, concentrate on your stable.

      Don’t rehash the Belmont, it’s 100% irrelevant. Del Mar started it by making a selfish request. Having worked in collegiate athletic departments, it’s nothing new seeing organizations asking athletes/organizations for foolish requests.

    • caroline

      It’s always sad to see people ditch their invaluable and irreplaceable 15 minutes in a self-centered whiny cesspit. Curious though, Bobby Flay, since the Paulick Report is giving some invaluable minutes to your opinion: do you still support horse meat dishes on your food network? Or was that just a horrible mistake of your past?

    • cal gal

      cant agree more! they have no idea how blessed they are

    • Vera Conwicke

      This all sounds really superficial, Mr. Flay. California Chrome’s owners have the
      right to their opinion. I do appreciate hearing your opinion.

  • Richard C

    ….and this is just another reason why the Lords of the Realm dislike newcomers breaking down the door because they truly earned a place at the table. Those not in the pocket of the “royal” suits – or the vast number of wannabe insiders who hope to one day get a few minutes inside the castle – clearly understand how the game is played — and it is a major reason why this sport limps around like someone who just completed his first marathon….under a bright sun and running into a head wind for 26.2 miles.

    • Beach

      “And don’t talk about it, and make sure you cover it up, just like any other good codependent. And if you don’t, or you drop the dime on some of it, you will be labeled a classless, out-of-control yokel.”

      I think what happened is that someone with savvy, or at least knowledge of how the game is played, let them know they would need money for expenses, and that other people and horses have received 5 figures for this sort of thing. And when they asked for the same, Del Mar seemed to say, “Huh?!!” and then it ended up leaked to newspapers–with the press subsequently calling DAP.

      I know CC has a nice fan base but parading at this point would not have been up my alley right now either, were he mine, for any amount of money.

  • jazz mania

    Publicity works both ways and since CC already has a tenny shoe company using his image for money, it’s not a stretch to imagine more endorsement tie-ins if they parade him around. You would think that if nothing else maybe a good faith donation to a charity like, one o them care for retired race horses type organizations would pay off in the long run. I mean, heck, if people can milk cows, why not horses??? Sheeze, I’m sick of this CCCRAP.

  • Tinky

    California Chrome has earned around $3.5m to date. One would like to think that “Team Sherman” would have already been well taken care of by the owners (even beyond the $350k to the trainer), and that if the proposed appearance was not the right move for the horse, there shouldn’t have been any reason to negotiate with Del Mar.

    Oh well.

  • Flag Is Up

    Somebody please tap Mr. Perry on the shoulder and tell him his 15 minutes of fame is officially over!!!

  • Jil McIntosh

    Instead of “How do we benefit,” the question should have been, “Will there be help with the costs involved in this?” It’s not what you say, but how you say it. Plus, if you want to get the media on your side, you don’t send out a press (the key word) release that insults the press.

    • Lost In The Fog – Robert Lee

      Well said. Martin and Coburn are desperately in need of some common sense advice from someone who understands even the basics of public relations and dealing with the press. The more they say the worse it gets. They are so focused on being “right” that they seem totally oblivious to the reality that “perception” is what drives any story in the media. Insulting and antagonizing the press is an incredible and amateurish mistake. Martin and Coburn have become their own worst enemies. They are incredibly naive and apparently oblivious to the continuing damage they are inflicting on what once was a great storyline.

      • rainbowrun

        This is exactly how I felt on reading the original “appearance fee” request. Was chatting with “Chromie’s Paddock on fb last night for several hours. I now understand liabilities, added insurance, etc, so compensation from DM is not outrageous. Numerous times they (whoever writes for it) threw the “greed” label on DM, and proceeded to list how much celebs make for appearance fees (from Bob Baffert to Wayne Gretzky, etc) and have decided CC is worth no less than $100k in fees. The feelgood story of the racing world is, sadly, being flushed down the toilet.

  • Craig Brogden

    It’s not in the horses best interest to ship to Del Mar but it will be beneficial for his training if we get paid $50,000.

    Does this really make sense as being in the best interest of the horses health and training for a comeback. Time to start putting the horse first and politely decline instead of starting another media firestorm.

    “Thanks for the offer but we want Chrome to have a stress free quiet time training and preparing for his return to racing so that everyone can enjoy the rest of his career.”

    How hard was that DAP

    • Barbara Bowen

      The upside is I’m pretty sure the calls for Chrome are going to start to be far and few between, including from stallion farms.

      • Mike Relva

        That’s insane Barbara,you serious need to get on board in the real world.

    • Smart American

      They had to counter after the PR jerk at Del Mar forwarded a private email from Mr Martin to his press buddy, then he gets a call to comment. Del Mar is creating this drama to keep milking the Chrome publicity gravy train…again…for free

  • Barbara Bowen

    Holy Sh!t.

  • Georgina Hall

    They are not wealthy people ! Why should they foot all the expenses for nothing? I think its correct to say CC was expected to increase their revenues by his appearance otherwise why was he invited ? DAP’s are not so DA after all . Perhaps Skechers would have been willing to pay some expense promotional fees for such a day? However it seems DEl Mar shot itself in the foot by leaking stuff to the media . I agree Chrome’s racing career comes first . Have a nice day Del Mar .

    • Barbara Bowen

      More like Del Mar handed Martin a loaded gun, and giggled.

      • Beach

        I think it was Del Mar who initially pulled the press trigger.

        • Lost In The Fog – Robert Lee

          Not according to Ray’s editorial. According to Ray and according to the U-T San Diego’s statement on their website, which (in reference to Martin’s press release) says the following:

          “Del Mar’s Craig Dado, executive vice president of marketing, said Del Mar would have no further comment. He said the Del Mar Thoroughbred Club remains hopeful that California Chrome will run at Del Mar as a 4-year-old. Del Mar never released anything about the specifics of the terms that were part of a deal to get the colt to Del Mar. This is the first time the specifics have been shown, and they’re from Martin.”

          • Beach

            Next you’ll be telling me that they’re all under oath and took polygraphs, too.

          • Lost In The Fog – Robert Lee

            It’s for you to decide who is more credible – Perry Martin or The U-T San Diego and Del Mar officials. As part of that process it should be taken into account that they both refute Martin’s claims that they leaked the details.

          • Beach

            You must be kidding me…

      • Mike Relva

        Seems like you’ve been handed a loaded gun many times considering some of your mean comments toward connections.

  • Nancy

    Sorry, I don’t get all piling on California Chrome’s connections. With all the dirty doings that go on in this business, this is what is focused on? Maybe people should put their energy into cleaning things up instead. And Bobby Flay, what are your accomplishments on the NYRA Board? Personally, I think those on the inside don’t like outsiders.

    • Barbara Bowen

      Bobby could tell you how it feels to be on the outside in racing. That’s not where he is coming from – out or in. He genuinely cares about the game and recognizes what a negative this Chrome Story has become despite the magnificent animal. As for piling on, I felt bad about it until I read the “press release”. Now I am just in awe of the train wreck.

      • Greg J.

        Let’s see if you can reach 25 comments again Barbara regarding your hate for Chrome’s owners, you can do it!

        • Barbara Bowen

          I don’t actually hate them. Takes a lot for me to hate. You should try to be original, though.

          I feel bad for them in a way, and for the sport. And I don’t (believe it or not) have more to say right now.

          • Sinking Ship

            Barbara, a few comments on Paulick Report stories are fine, but believe me, 25 or more are TOO MANY and you are becoming a pest. Find another way to occupy your time.

          • Greg J.

            Thank you!

          • Barbara Bowen

            At least I have something to say, and don’t waste life by actually counting someone’s posts. Stalk someone else Ship.

          • Sinking Ship

            Barbara, you are a joke. And I’m not stalking you, just getting sick of seeing you clog the airwaves.

          • Mike Relva

            Bravo! She’s the same on DRF,always something neg regarding CC’s connections.

          • Smart American

            You need to stfu already. Boring mule!

          • Mike Relva

            eye roll

      • Nancy

        I would think the Steve Asmussen’s of racing, the cheaters, the disposable horses etc. would be more of a negative than these owners but then again I guess these things are considered just a part of the biz. After all, wasn’t the argument everything Asmussen was doing was legal? Again, what exactly are Bobby Flay’s accomplishments on the NYRA Board?

        • Barbara Bowen

          I dunno Nancy but if Ray ever does a story on THAT, I’ll be sure to comment THERE:-)

        • KMF

          Bravo Nancy ! Haven’t seen PETA go after any of Chrome’s team. Oh yeah and a nice vacation, I visited him on wed. He looks amazing. These owners care about their horse. Bobby flay and del mar reporters are an afterthought.

        • Beach

          Nancy, I’m sure you know that psychologists have a term for it–it’s called “projection” and can be a sign of real unhealth. I hope I read a few more articles about a “struggling industry”…if there isn’t fire, there isn’t any smoke, is there?

          But I do think the DAP should be careful not to set itself up for a game of Whack-a-Mole with a scapegoating, struggling industry–that is all too happy to play.

          • Nancy

            Agree DAP partners should watch what they say. They obviously have a target on their back.

      • Mike Relva

        Sure he “cares so much” he let’s Pletcher train his horses. Talking about a train wreck.

    • guest

      I met a lady from OK who used to race horses with her sister about 30 hrs ago & she told me a story about a “mafia jockey” they knew at the Charles Town track & how he offered to “solve a problem” with another trainer who gave her trouble. She politely declined his offer. I think it’s safe to say there are plenty of other reasons why horse racing has a bad rap other than a pi$$ing contest between Del Mar and team Chrome!

      • guest

        Meant to say 30 years not hours

  • Kris

    This goes to show that there are ALWAYS two sides to every discussion. To the folks that have been upset with CC’s owners for refusing the “honor” of sending CC to Del Mar I say this: Pass around the hat and when you get that $50,000, then you can pay the owners of CC for the expense of sending him to Del Mar. Otherwise, shut thy mouths.

    • Barbara Bowen

      You are ready made to invest in the next DAP venture.

      • Kris

        Is that a question or a statement, Barbara? Either way it makes no sense to me.

    • Quakermaniac81

      The “expense” was $10,000…….the remaining $40,000 was their “rake.” How about wanting to promote an amazing but troubled sport??
      You know what — when he can beat Shared Belief……THEN we can call California Chrome the best 3 yr old in California……

      • Kris

        Quaker,
        I’ll make it simple for you and everyone that feels the owners of CC were on the wrong side in this issue: Couldn’t the folks at Del Mar have simply called the owners and asked if they would send CC down the road? How hard would that have been? Why did the management at Del Mar feel it necessary to let this whole story go public? Lastly, CC doesn’t belong to any of us and decisions such as this are none of our business. PERIOD!

        • Smart American

          Because they couldn’t hoodwink them with their scheme and now have egg on-their faces for not being able to close the shady deal. They look like idiots to their fans and press buddies they promised could photograph him for their papers.

          • nu-fan

            I have been entertaining the thought of going to the Breeders’ Cup at Del Mar when it will be held there in a couple of years. Now, I have no intention of doing so or contributing to its financials. What jerks!

          • Kris

            I’ve been thinking the same thing, Nu-Fan.

          • Kris

            That is the reason that Del Mar made public the $50,000 request from Martin. The management at DM stuck their foot in the horse poo and made public a conversation that should have been entirely private all to save face. As my grandmother once liked to say, “That’s dirty pool.”

        • nu-fan

          Kris: “Lastly, CC doesn’t belong to any of us and decisions such as this are none of our business. PERIOD!” —–Exactly! Why is it that there are some who do not get that?

      • Smart American

        Wrong. Chrome is the reining Derby and Preakness Champion. Let Shared Belief try to dethrone him, if he can.

      • betterthannothing

        Parading Chrome will not cure racing from the problems it has created and refuses to fix.

      • KMF

        Who ‘s Shared Belief? Never heard of him

      • betterthannothing

        ” How about wanting to promote an amazing but troubled sport??

        It is not their responsibility to promote a troubled sport including by parading their precious horse for free or a fee. “The sport” has to decide to get rid of its self-inflicted troubles first so it can promote itself!

  • Jay Stone

    Kudos to Mr. Flay for saying what most people in this industry feel. These clowns, with every stupid comment, make more and more people hope this horse disappears. What was a feel good story has turned into another blight on a troubled industry. All they had to do was say no thanks or ask for expenses but in their inimitable way they have blamed the industry and the press for this. They want everyone to bow at their feet and don’t understand it is about the horse and not them.

    • Mike Relva

      Flay’s the clown. Has he won a Derby? Think carefully on my question. lmao

  • Dan Jividen

    California Chrome is a once in a lifetime horse for any owner. He has taken his owners on a beautiful journey. It is a pity they have gotten so little enjoyment out of it.

    • Andy

      if he was a once in a lifetime horse, he would have won the Triple Crown……

      • Traci

        Not necessarily. There have been people who have been breeding horses for decades who still haven’t accomplished a Derby, Preakness OR Belmont – much less 2 out of 3. Around 25-30,000 horses are born EVERY YEAR and only one of them will be one of the 20 in the starting gate and win the Derby. Think about it from that perspective and you can see Chrome really is a once-in-a-lifetime horse.

        • Beach

          ZENYATTA is a once-in-a-lifetime horse who never contested the Triple Crown. Andy, I don’t get your observation at all.

      • Mike Relva

        Oh yeah! How long since the last time? Did your memory fail or will you admit he suffered an injury out of the damned gate?

        He’s once in a lifetime.

  • Andy

    I am getting really tired of these Cali Chrome owners, their 15 mins is done and now they just seem to be becoming douchewads….so tired of it, go back to your 40hr a week job and go back into oblivion where you came from….

    • Mike Relva

      Andy,you mean go back into the oblivion that you live in?

      Btw loser,you probably haven’t ever had 15 m in of fame.

  • spin2415

    The owner’s are merely countering the “media message” devised by Del Mar marketing with the backstory that never usually gets told. They’re not the Mosses. Yet, as caretakers of this very nice 3YO, they are trying to do what’s right by him and the close circle around him. The Triple Crown comments were weak and in bad taste and if they had a PR company to “coach” them through the post-race interview process, we’d all feel warm & fuzzy about the group. But just because they’re “shoot-from-the-hip” blue-collar folks, doesn’t mean that marketing/media professionals can leverage their contact lists and shame them into becoming a magnet for California Chrome fans to put asses in the Del Mar seats. To me, IMHO, the black hat sits squarely on the Del Mar venue group and the white hat still resides on Mr. Martin’s noggin. As Howard Cosell used to say, “he’s telling it like it is” and I won’t fault him for that.

    • guest

      So true. People claim that horse racing needs new blood, then they get all uptight when a guy in a cowboy hat from out West speaks his mind. Del Mar was just trying to use CC for publicity, and they knew it.

  • TJS

    Bobby,

    You own horses, you should understand that parading a 3 yr old that has been racing in front of thousands of people on a race track is bad for the horse! Forget the dough. This is a insane idea and Del Mar should know better. It isn’t like we are talking some horse coming out of retirement for a bow. This time the DAP boys got it right.

    • MA

      It’s called tranquilizer, and has been used on multiple other horses still in training while paraded in front of very large crowds in recent years.

      • Greg J.

        Drugs are ALWAYS the answer.

        • nu-fan

          Bravo!!! Excellent answer.

      • KMF

        They used the term tranquilized in the past tense. Get it like run , ran etc. when it’s a past tense verb, you add “ed”. Back to 4th grade for you. And I don’t know too many trainers with their eye on the Bredders cup classic that would sidetrack themselves with trateNquilizing their horse for a parade! It’s insane!

    • betterthannothing

      I am not for parading horses as it is an unnecessary burden for them but I actually believe that it is harder on horses who are already retired. That some/most/all have to be tranquilized makes my point.

      I can’t wait to see Del Mar’s official version of that incident.

  • spin2415

    As Columbo used to say, “uh, Mr.Flay just one more thing . . . I almost forgot . . .” You’re on the NYRA board. Why doesn’t NYRA come up with $100K for DAP and bring the horse to Saratoga? Show Del Mar how it’s done CORRECTLY.

  • Deana

    I totally agree with Bobby Flay! I am so over any comments that the CC owner’s have to make now or in the future. My ears are numb to them. If they did not want to participate in the Del Mar venue, for any reason, say no and be done with it. As usual they had to make a big deal about it and “expose” Del Mar. All they did is make themselves look bad, once again. Steve started it at Belmont and he did not learn there. The next morning he ranted and raved again to all the media. It wasn’t until the 3rd day that he “somewhat” apologized. Of course, in the meantime he was abusive to his wife in front of a nationwide audience when she tried to stop his rant. I am sure as his 5th wife she and other’s have experienced his abusive behavior on numerous occasions. DAP Racing has never shown respect for the sport and its people that are steeped in tradition. So many people in the industry have worked tireless hours and invested significant amounts of time and money to participate in the sport that they love and have never had the success that they have. They need to be humble and respectful and if they are offered to do something that they don’t want to do, then don’t do it. Don’t try and make other’s look bad for it. That is just a lack of class on your part. With that $$ you made from Sketcher’s, invest in some classes in Public Speaking, and how to interact with others respectfully. I will follow CC because I like him as a horse but most importantly because I respect Team Sherman. As for as DAP Racing is concerned, your time with me is over. You have been given multiple times to do it over. I come from humble beginnings and yet I show respect for other’s and am kind to my fellow man. You have no excuse, I once you were made aware of your shortcomings, you have continued to nail your own coffin. DAP Racing is a disgrace as partnership. Your time in the public eye is DONE…OVER! Next…spending time and effort on things that matter.

  • Bryan Langlois (ShelterDoc)

    Hmm…let’s see. Churchill has pissed them off. They likely won’t go back to Belmont because that is where the damned cheaters are. Del Mar is out until 2017 now. Los Al is out because they wouldn’t pay the Breeders Cup entry fees. Guess that leaves Santa Anita and the Midwest county fairs as places to run him. Maybe one of the county fairs will offer free cotton candy to the owners as compensation.
    I…like others also find it odd they are concerned about keeping his training schedule uninterrupted but suddenly 50k would put those concerns to rest.
    Kudos for always being blunt and speaking your mind Mr. Coburn, but this whole “the racing world is always against me” thing is getting a little old.

    • Greg J.

      Words were from Mr. Martin not Mr. Coburn.

    • KMF

      Churchill downs pissed off Ronnie Turcotte by not providing any close parking. They are under new ownership and have no class at all. Really? Secretariat’s former jockey who is now in a wheelchair can’t get close parking. The camera crew from NBC paid for his up close parking!

      • Mike R

        Not necessarily defending CDI, but Mr Turcotte was providing assistance to Kentucky Derby Museum which is a separate entity from Churchill.

  • missedgehead

    To paraphrase the Motley Crue tune, DAP don’t go away mad. DAP just GO AWAY!!

  • Tom Hickey

    I don’t know what the problem is. Last time I looked, horse racing was a business. They might need a little help on PR but at least they are straight up. Del Mar should be ashamed for trying to manipulate them into it. They couldn’t give two hoots about “honouring Chrome” – but tut’s business too.

    Any fans can see him run at Los Al if he goes there in September, or in the BC Classic. It’s hilarious when I see people deciding how someone else should spend there money….

    • nu-fan

      Exactly….it’s their money and their horse. Seems as if they have been doing pretty well for a couple of newcomers (non-wealthy ones at that) this year. And, yet, there are those who seem to think that they get to also make decisions regarding California Chrome—-even though they have absolutely zero ownership rights in him. What planet do they come from?

    • KMF

      Exactly. But possessive there is spelled their ; )

      • Tom Hickey

        Thanks for that. I hate poor grammar!

  • togahombre

    this reminds me of roy hobbs in the natural, when i call it a game you call it a business and when i call it a business you call it a game

  • mike

    Bobby – these Cowboys are feeling the pressure after seeing Shared Belief’s comeback – they see the writing on the wall that they are not even going to end up with the 3 yr old Title!

    • Smart American

      What a joke!

  • cally60

    Still whining about money? These owners are so greedy, ungracious and entitled– it makes me sick that I cannot enjoy and root for California Chrome anymore.

    • Greg J.

      You say, “owners are so greedy, ungracious and entitled”, seriously? So many other owners are so much more about greed/ego then DAP! Are you a fan of the horse or owners? What the heck does any of this have to do with Chrome running on the track? Regardless of how you feel about the owners, Chrome is the athlete/star here, and, unlike you, no matter how I feel about any owner, I always remain a fan of a horse that I like. SMH

      • Beach

        I agree it’s the horse that matters.

      • Mike Relva

        Greg,how are you? Long time my friend. As usual your comments are compelling.

        • Greg J.

          Mike, good morning to you sir, how have you been? I am well and just giving my opinion, right or wrong, as usual. Be well…

    • nu-fan

      If they were greedy, they would have had ample opportunity to accept some of those several million dollar offers that they have had for their horse. You–and some others—are so off-base with all of this.

      • Mike Relva

        That’s cause they are clueless. You’re on point!

    • KMF

      Good, Chrome doesn’t need or want a fan like you

    • Mike Relva

      Oh wow,really! Nice! Take it out on the horse. Somehow don’t think Chrome will miss you. lol

  • Mike D

    The Chrome owners are 100% in the right here. The only question I have is that if its in the best interest of the horse to stay put, then why do you want $50,000 to go to Del Mar?

    • Beach

      I think it was a ridiculous number that he knew they wouldn’t meet.

  • David

    So many times over the past 15 years we’ve seen a sort of fever infect wining owners of the Kentucky Derby who (I’m sorry) are experiencing their first rodeo. Reality shows lives as it’s somehow assumed the general public actually cares about horse racing in general and/or CALIFORNIA CROME in particular. The whole thing is pathetic.

    • nu-fan

      No, what is really pathetic is how the news media manages to get increase readership with these kinds of stories.

  • forestwildcat

    Parading this horse around like some circus animal will ruin him. Until he is retired he should go to the track for one of two reasons – Too Run or Train and nothing else

  • Redboard

    Well they ARE better owners than IEAH !!!!…….I miss Mrs Genter..

  • rainbowrun

    Btw….just found a connection on another site to a U-T San Diego article (7/13/14) that seems to exonerate DM of having anything to do with the “leak”. Very interesting. Just sayin’

  • John G. Veitch

    Bobby raises good points. I can somewhat understand that Del Mar is using this, to some extent, for publicity. But in reality, CC is (or was) a great story in this game, and I’m sure many who live in California would love to be able to see CC live. Showing a horse like this can be done in a reasonable manner.
    However, Coburn and Martin are very VERY lucky, and this horse has earned over $3.5M for them. They should realize racing needs a star like CC, feel honored they are being asked, and work out an arrangement. (I can kind of understand the vanning/per-diem costs, but that seems like quibbling to me).
    The press release talking about “pocket media” is in poor taste, and their continued poor comments about how the deal fell thru does little to help their cause. They need some help in the PR Dept.

    • Mike Relva

      Where is Flay’s Derby winner?

  • John G. Veitch

    Let me remind the readers the owners of Funny Cide Gladly paraded him around Saratoga last summer. No fanfare, no asking for money, no press release, just happy do it. Compare Sackatoga to these two.

    • nu-fan

      So, just because this was done before set a precedent that everyone else is supposed to follow? What world do you live in? Oh, yes, the world of horseracing’s past.

      • Mike Relva

        Bravo!

    • Greg J.

      I applaud Sackatoga, but Funny Cide is 14 years old and retired, cannot compare the two.

      • John G. Veitch

        True, he was 14, but they had to ship the horse from Kentucky to the event. Maybe they were reimbursed, maybe not, but they did the event w/o causing issues.

        • betterthannothing

          I wish Funny Cide and all horses were put first. Fans can visit their favorite horses wherever they are! Fans would not be at risk of dying of colic like kelso, then 26, did following a parade at Belmont Park.

          • Mike Relva

            That’s a very good point.

    • Mike Relva

      As the owner of CC you would donate his time,etc at Del Mar without asking for a dime right? lmao

      • John G. Veitch

        As the part owner of 7 horses, one a Graded Stakes Winner, yes I would. As long as the other owners and the Trainer felt it would not be detrimental to the horse, it’s training, Etc. then I would be happy to.
        If DAP setup their partnership as an LLC (as I run my operation) the expenses that Martin is concerned about are legitimate deductions that would reduce their tax liability.
        I personally, am disappointed in how the owners seem to have took this as almost an insult to them (and maybe it is, but I doubt it.)
        I also wonder where did he figure the vanning/insurance/per-diem cost? I’m looking at my invoice for shipping a horse last year from SAR to BEL, a distance of nearly 180 miles, and it was $600. I’m quite sure insurance would cover any legitimate vanning, (would have to check), so no need for a rider. And grooms, hot walkers, and exercise riders are part of the Trainers regular day rate. (At least the 4 I used it’s been included).

        • Mike Relva

          You know what, envy sometimes can be counter productive. Case in point,the individual at the top of page offering “advice” to Coburn/Martin. Obviously he might need a tip or two cause fail to see his name as a Derby winner. I donate to a high profile retirement farm in Kentucky and Az and honestly,could care in the least what Chromes owners say about any subject. As long as they take care of the horse that’s all that matters in my book. Too many individuals piling on,when they would do the same or worse. Mr. Coburn took time TWICE to speak with me on the phone. You think I could get Barry Irwin on the phone? Sure. lol

          • John G. Veitch

            Well, that is great you donate to the retirement farms. Is the AZ one Tierra Madre by any chance? And that is great Coburn called you, and Art Sherman is doing a great job. But in my humble opinion, DAP needs some help in the PR Dept.

          • Mike Relva

            No,it’s Heart of Tucson.

            Good luck to you with your horses.

  • betterthannothing

    I am not for parading horses at racetracks especially on super-busy days but if all parties wanted to turn Chrome Parade Gate into a face-saving win-win situation, both sides could agree for Del Mar to pay $10,000 to Chrome owners to cover all expenses and owners could ask Del Mar to donate $10,000 to TAA accredited California Thoroughbred rescues in the name of Chrome and his owners. The track would boost its business that day, owners would have all expenses reimbursed and earn some very valuable brownie points and some Thoroughbreds at risk would be saved thanks to Chrome, his owners and Del Mar. Everybody wins (except for Chrome).

    • nu-fan

      And, that is the point: It isn’t in the best interests of the horse. There is also a risk factor to be considered. I’m aware of that every time I hit the freeway to go to work or elsewhere. Accidents happen. Would most of us jeopardize the safety of the horse to travel down to San Diego just to parade it around–and, just so Del Mar could gain some extra revenue and publicity,? I sure wouldn’t.

      • John G. Veitch

        You raise a good point about the risks of travel, which, if they asked to have those mitigated (CHiP Escort), cover cost of vanning, I would have understood. But Martins comment ” I was supposed to be honored to pay a van driver to drive Chrome to and from Del Mar. Honored to travel 500 miles, put my wife and I up in a hotel then sit under a tent in the hot sun to sign autographs for an hour or two.” See any concern for his horse in those comments, or concerns for his pocket book?

        • nu-fan

          Who would have paid for that CHP escort? It’s not free nor should it be. I knew someone in the business field who was able to get to the root of an issue unlike too many who got involved in the trivia surrounding it. Keep digging away at the trivia is not one way to impress me with someone’s supposed knowledge.

    • KMF

      I may be wrong, but I doubt Raul and Willie and even the Sherman’s are wealthy so a little compensation for them would not be bad

    • BreakingDeadMen

      Yeah, but the owners clearly don’t care about any of that. They care about their bottom line.

      • Mike Relva

        Really? Well they could have sold CC months ago and they REFUSED ALL OFFERS. Your head is in the sand.

        • BreakingDeadMen

          Cashing in at the first opportunity seldom maximizes the bottom line.

  • deanna walsh

    It’s about time there are owners who speak up for every member of their
    team, including their groom (the least valued, but most important team
    member). That horse has to travel from a farm (500 miles) away, and come
    parade about while not in training while risking injury. Time is worth something too. We all know the horse is worth
    millions. The owners are acting as agents in the best interest of any person on the team, and primarily the horse.
    They do not owe the greedy state of California anything… and yes
    indeed, they are correct about the “hot tent”. The last time I saw that
    happen, I taped Mike Smith melting with sun glazing in his face while
    signing many autographs and sweating under such “hot tent” at Santa
    Anita. I witnessed Mario Gutierrez and Doug O’Neil doing the same. I
    wondered then, ‘why would anyone do that? For fun?’ I see that many of
    us would like to be in their shoes, since these people have a really
    lovely, and potentially immortally great horse. Who wouldn’t? But they
    have every right to speak their mind, voice their opinion, care about
    every person they work with and every horse they own with out being
    judged and crucified for simply voicing their opinion. I support their
    decision to protect the physical and financial interests of the horse
    and all his team members.

    • BreakingDeadMen

      I saw O’Neil yesterday at Los Alamitos. He had a smile for me because he knows I support the game. O’Neil gets it. Mike Smith took the time at Santa Anita to pose for a photo with my friends kids after leaving the winners circle after the last race a few weeks back. You know some part of him just wants to get out of his silks and drive off to home or dinner or wherever, but he gets it, too. Those guys have class. Martin? NSM.

  • Billy The Kid

    <<— This guy is clapping his hands. Good job here Bobby.

  • Bellwether

    “How lucky they are to have such a talented Horse”???…A ton of work and a small piece of change is why they have that Animal!!!…LUCK has nothing to do with it…Period…

    • AngelaInAbilene

      Luck is EXACTLY what they’ve had. EVERYONE one of us put a “ton of work” and more than “change” into our animals. They were LUCKY that their work and investment paid off. They were LUCKY the horse they bred, who ON PAPER, should’ve been running the fair circuit turned out to be a Grade I classic WINNER. LUCK has EVERYTHING in the world to do with their success…PERIOD

      • Tulsa Terry

        Way more than luck in the success of CC. These owners decided to skip the ripoff artists disguised as bloodstock agents. They researched breeding, they analyzed trainers, they mapped out a racing schedule. They refused to be taken advantage of by racing “experts”.

  • Irene Davis

    Flay is out of order, none of his business. DAP don’t have deep pockets like the Flats of racing. Besides, IMHO, they used it as an excuse not to bring CC, their pride and joy, to Del Mar and risk injury, and detract from his training regime. Enough with the dumping on these owners.

    • BreakingDeadMen

      After winning the Santa Anita Derby and first two legs of the triple crown, I think they probably have enough money to drive 80 miles and stay in a hotel. I’m going to make that same trip a couple times this summer and I’m not complaining about it.

      • M Z

        Are you going to taking a multi-million dollar horse along with you, and pay about a dozen people to take care of it when you make that trip?

  • M Z

    Wow, Bobby. Do YOU do personal appearances for free because you’re already rich? Your post sounds like jealousy because these people have a great horse and you don’t, pure and simple. What would everyone think if DAP did this, only to have something happen to Chrome and he can never race again because of an injury caused by an appearance? I could understand going to these things once the horse has been retired, but he’s NOT retired. Even then, there should be compensation to the owners. They do not have to stop making public statements. This is the USA, last time I checked, and they have every right to say what they think. They have been plenty ‘friendly’ and have given the press and public amazing access to their wonderful horse. Chrome WOULD have won the Belmont if not for his injury, and everyone knows it. Money is less of an issue for you than it is for DAP racing. I’m done watching your TV shows.

    • BreakingDeadMen

      Flay can defend himself, but my guess is he doesn’t monetize everything he does. There is such a thing as professional courtesy, it’s a concept Martin lacks. Asking for help with costs is one thing, but sniffing around for a payday is another.

      • M Z

        You try to get Flay to do a personal appearance for free. Then let me know how that goes. And if he ever has a horse as good as CC, he would NOT take it to parade around race tracks for free, either, ESPECIALLY when the horse isn’t retired. I don’t think Martin is ‘sniffing around’ for a payday. It would cost a LOT of money to ship his horse just for an appearance, simply to make a race track get more customers. I think the owners of CC are honest people that say what they feel. I’m sure that Coburn regrets his words at the Belmont, but what did the reporter expect? His horse just lost a huge race, and he was understandably upset. People say things when they are upset. Penney Chenery once admitted that when Riva Ridge lost the Preakness, she accused people of ‘getting to’ her horse. And she’s one of the ‘insiders’! This constant battering and belittling of Coburn and Martin is nothing more than rich people that are jealous that upstarts that should know their ‘place’ showed them up on one of the worlds the biggest horse racing stage. WHY should they keep their mouths shut? Because it hurts someone’s feelings? They can say what they think. It’s called Freedom of Speech. And if it turns off people from rooting for Chrome, then those people were never his fans, anyway.

        • nu-fan

          “…if it turns off people from rooting for Chrome, then those people were never his fans, anyway.” Agree but adding one more thing….Aren’t we seeing those who, from the beginning, never wanted to see California Chrome get the recognition that he has EARNED on the racetrack? They are still rearing their biased and ugly heads with the continued attacks on the owners of this horse. It is becoming more evident as to one of the reasons that horseracing will continue to decline. If it had a commissioner such as that demonstrated by David Stern, he would have put an end to such attacks. But, it’s a fragmentized and dysfunctional sport industry that shows its lack of professionalism–and, in the process ends up turning off those potential fans.

        • betterthannothing

          How much payola is Bobby Flay receiving as a BC ambassador or is it all done gratuitously and gracefully for the love of racing?

          • Mike Relva

            Exactly! Some should take care of their own business before attempting to throw advice around.

        • AngelaInAbilene

          “It would cost a LOT of money to ship his horse…” No, it wouldn’t. Even in California, a 160 mile round trip wouldn’t cost that much. I don’t think you or anyone defending these jackagons are getting it. The outrage is not over their refusal to parade, it’s because they act just like “new money” and money can’t buy class.

    • Mike Relva

      Exactly!

  • lioneltrain

    These guys are making the slew crew look sane

  • powaymojo

    Who says Chrome does not tarnish?

    • Mike Relva

      eye roll

  • Lucky Red

    Bravo, Bobby! Noblesse oblige. As an owner, I understand CC’s owners concerns for the horse and financial outlay – the issue is the CC’s owners whining and victim mentality. They sound like spoiled celebrities complaining about the demands of the spotlight. They could have easily expressed their concerns and negotiated terms with the track. Either start racing your horses in your backyard where you run the show or put your big boy panties on and start acting like members of the horse racing community. Have industry issues, want drug reform, concerns for horse welfare? Great! Use the media glare for to bring attention to that but PLEASE stop whining and thank your lucky stars for such a great TB. So much for being ambassadors for the sport!

  • BreakingDeadMen

    These people really are dumb asses. No sense of grace, no sense of gratitude. Maybe they don’t care about Del Mar, but every racing fan in So Cal does, and I’m pretty sure Art and Steve Sherman do, too, at least in as much as they would like to at least have a collegial relationship with the Del Mar Thoroughbred Club as they go about their business. Trashing a beloved institution is no way to make friends or fans.

    Del Mar is 80 miles from Los Alamitos. The 5 can be a little hairy, but shipping there is not exactly the Odyssey. If they feel like it’s not in the best interest of the horse, that’s one thing, but the fact that they put a price tag on it at all tells you that they only care about getting paid. They clearly don’t care about the racing circuit and they certainly don’t care about the fans. They can go play pocket pool as far as I am concerned.

    • Mike Relva

      So you would bring Chrome over for free,right? Sure,i believe you. lol

      • BreakingDeadMen

        For free? Maybe, maybe not. I am certain that I would have handled the situation with a lot more tact and grace either. Especially considering that CC is a California bred horse that races in the circuit that Del Mar is a part of. Maybe I would have asked for some help with expenses or even a modest honorarium, IDK, but I wouldn’t have crassly insulted the track and made it personal. This fellow thinks he doesn’t need Del Mar because he doesn’t in the immediate term, but it’s a stupid bridge to burn. And it certainly puts the Shermans, who do need Del Mar, in a bad spot.

        • Mike Relva

          Yeah, Barry Irwin ALWAYS thinks before he speaks doesn’t he? lol

  • Harry

    I don’t believe they should take him in the post parade for that could really crank him up thinking he’s going to run but the way Del Mars paddock set up why not school him in front of the people for the weekend of the classic for all of us see a super cal bred and like ctba says this is why it pays to own a cal bred!!!!!!!!!! He would truly get a standing ovation!!!!!!!!! This is not an owners horse at the present time it’s truly the pride of California so why not let everyone enjoy him! Don’t put a price on his head just show some compassion to the fans that truly love the game and him! This is the sport of kings and Chrome has shown all the little breeders in the world [ the ones that are truly forgotten] that there is hope and just like life it is made of hope , dreams and expectations! May some of us have one some day and be thankful that we have him or her and may we never let greed get in our way of his or her success!!!!!!!!!!! Our dreams then would truly be full filled Amen

    • Anne

      Why does he have to ship to Del Mar for that? Everyone knows where he’s stabled at; if you want to see him, go and see him.

  • Jerry

    SHUT UP BOBBY AND MAKE SOME PIZZA – IT’S THEIR HORSE AND THEY CAN DO AND SAY WHAT THEY WANT!

    • Mike Relva

      Second that!!!!!

  • Jon Luman

    Hey Bobby, Why don’t you just call Steve Coburn and Perry Martin to express your agenda-laden opinion personally. It would be a fine opportunity for you to place your high and mighty rebuke directly in the ear of he who has sinned most (in your opinion).
    As a matter of fact, since you were only a few rows away as Steve Coburn further sinned by hob-nobbing moreso with the “riff-raff” of the grandstand, why didn’t you express your righteous indignation into the NBC microphone also.
    You might have been able to bring a little high-culture to a few million dues-paying members of a whole nuther club. Those commoners that pay for everything, along with your luck.
    The only kind of people that can make media “mistakes” are those whose incomes are produced from sales of bullshit.
    I doubt that Steve Coburn, or Perry Martin will ever be able to join that club, and it doesn’t look to me that they are even trying.
    I might come into your place and order dinner, and have reason to pay a 3X value price, but, any expectation you may have for me to bend a knee in “gratitude”, is quite unrealistic.
    People may tend to forget, but you may do better to remember, people are the money.

  • Ida Lee

    Well, the Del Mar Chrome Drama continues to make news. Unfortunately for horse racing, it’s not just horse racing news, but national news and it does not look good for anybody…but the owners really look petty. How horrible that this most precious animal who brought out the best in his sport, now has his name associated with this childish and petty behavior especially on his owners’ part. If I owned Chrome, I would be honored to have him honored and paraded before his adoring fans. You can’t buy the good will this would generate.

    • Jon Luman

      Beach, horse racing already doesn’t look good to anybody.

      The owners of California Chrome are doing what they can to change that. The owners of horse racing appear to not like that idea. If you simply think about what you see, instead of listening to someone telling you what you see, the truth just presents itself.
      The truth is in what no one is talking about. Two common people who don’t mind earning their way in what is supposed to be a great American game, took the courage to breed and develop a thoroughbred to the threshold of the Triple Crown. Despite an entire society whispering that most filthy of words in their ears all day long – can’t.
      The rock throwing, on the part of those that seek to have, maintain, and profit from control, is quite necessary.
      Lest others observe what CAN be done, and pursue those ideas.

      • BreakingDeadMen

        If that Beach means what I think it means, it’s way, way out of line.

      • Bein

        The owners of California Chrome haven’t taken care of him a moment in his entire life. He was foaled, raised and started under saddle at Harris Farm, then he went to the Shermans. Please stop with crediting them with developing the horse. They bought a mare that was in their budget, they bred her to a stallion that was in their budget, and they found a trainer that was in their budget. That is it.

        • Mike Relva

          So you know that for a fact?

          • Mike Relva

            not buying it

        • AngelaInAbilene

          EXACTLY!!

    • Anne

      You if owned Chrome and would do this, you’re an idiot. The only honor here is to Del Mar’s bottom line. Del Mar is the only one looking idiotic. No one let this out except for Del Mar. DAP Partners got dragged into this;good for them exposing it.

  • Chantal Smithless

    I think most people who are speaking out in a negative fashion on this are influenced by their feelings toward Mr. Perry’s PARTNER. If events took place the way he outlined them, then Del Mar certainly would APPEAR to have been attempting to play a media game that backfired.

    DAP is under NO obligation to disrupt Chrome’s training schedule for a PR appearance at Del Mar or anywhere else (especially without proper compensation). Whether or not the dollar amount stated is fair or not seems irrelevant when it could mean the difference in California Chrome’s performance (or even his appearance) in the Breeder’s Cup in November.

    There are still way too many in the “Millionaire Suit and Tie Club” that resent these two Regular Joes’s for what they were able to accomplish on a shoestring budget with some good old fashion pedigree analysis. And maybe BECAUSE they are Regular Joe’s they AREN’T the most media savy but they are not FOOLS either.

    • Anne

      Interestingly these “Regular Joes” are letting the cats out of the bag; how many people here knew nothing about tracks paying “appearance fees”? Good for them exposing what really goes on.

  • santacruzchuck

    Does anyone know if Del Mar management has attended a race track management symposium at Churchill Downs recently? Let’s hope this behavior on their part is not a sign of things to come.

  • Redboard

    Can’t we just have the undercover PETA girl sleep with both of the owners and tape them saying some bad things about Baffert or something….

  • Tulsa Terry

    These guys are great! Coburn and Martin have energized racing. The blue blood owners like Bobby Flay and Robert Evans are pissed. You know the game. The money owners horse gets preferred treatment and the little guy gets shuffled to the back. Trainers are very afraid of owners smarter than them. They prefer the real dumb asses like Flay and Evans to play the money pit game.

    • Mike Relva

      Terry,good points. The two you mentioned haven’t won the Derby. lol

    • AngelaInAbilene

      Yeah, they’ve energized racing just like Sarah Palin did the GOP.

      • Tulsa Terry

        Thank you for agreeing with me about the greatness of DAP!

  • Susan Watkins

    Amen Bobby Flay!!!! and to Kris…..I understand what you are trying to say but I have to tell you honestly that EVERY single Thoroughbred owner has that SPECIAL feeling about one of their horses. I know I do every time I foal one of our stallions babies, I think they are the most special in the world. So yes a whole lot of luck is involved. You can plan by pedigree and feel that your horse is the most special but every time those gates open unforseen things can and will happen.
    To CC owners…..I would suggest maybe some lessons from the Moss’s and John Shirreff’s because I can tell you that every single day that Zenyatta was here at Oaklawn they had her out grazing with tons of folks around and there was never a more kin d trainer and owner than that. I am quite sure they could tell you guys how it is done…..
    Best of luck to California Chrome as he continues his career!!!!

  • Ann Maree

    I did not know that Baffert received appearance fees for Silver Charm and a couple of his other horses, so it is not unprecedented for there to be such fees. Makes sense, if true. It seems to be more one of attitude and the way that the matter has been handled than anything else. It seems to be not so much Chrome’s owners’ position on these matters but the way they bump into the walls in expressing themselves. My recommendation is that they get some professional help in dealing with PR matters. Would save a lot of ‘wear and tear’ on everybody!

  • Jamie Coughlin

    Not sure why people are surprised about an appearance fee. I guess they would be shocked to know how many other teams have gotten appearance fees to show up or run in a race, it’s nothing new, at least in my (considerable) life time. It would be different if it was simply a fan gathering as when horses are retired and will soon be out of reach. But this horse is not retired, he is still competing and I can see wanting to be compensated for taking a day out of his life and risking possible injury to help drum up business for another business. If Del Mar gives its money to the state anyway, why not give it to the connections who may have other things to do that day. Very bad form to let private negotiations “slip out”.

  • Mike Relva

    Mr Flay,
    Last checked,between you and them think it’s Coburn/Martin that owns a Derby/Preakness winner. A little arrogant to be offering someone advice that’s smelled the roses.

  • Mike Relva

    Really! You possibly sound a little jealous. lol Has anyone in racing heard of you?

  • Mike Relva

    Are you on something? Your “hero” Baffert had SEVEN horses drop dead from a substance they didn’t even require. It made the news on HBO Sports. Some individuals like yourself should consider thinking before talking trash.

  • Vera Conwicke

    Thanks go to Mr. Martin for being truthful and honest about the situation having to do with California Chrome’s requested appearance on Pacific Classic Day at Del Mar. Obviously, it is Del Mar that would benefit financially by California Chrome’s appearance. The expenses for the owners to do this would be very high. Del Mar management should have offered to pay for California Chrome’s transport. The fact that the owners received bad press from the media probably via Del Mar is not fair. I appreciate knowing the owner’s point of view, just as many other fans do. If the issues are known, then, hopefully, reforms can be made if needed. Thank you again. Good luck to Champion California Chrome and his owners as he continues in his brilliant racing career. I hope that sometime soon we can have the pleasure and thrill of seeing California Chrome race again on the East Coast. Best wishes!

  • Mike Relva

    As indicated arrogant for someone sending open letter blaming connections and offering “advice” while not winning the Derby themselves. He’s not racing’s messiah,no matter how you spin it. As a very bright individual posted here yesterday suggesting Flay should reach out to them by phone or some means instead of a public display. Bottom line,it’s their horse,not yours or mine. Your attacks are always hateful toward connections as if you want to nail them to a cross or something. Don’t see you going after other owners. Some that’s railing on them would want more than 50k to bring CC to Del Mar. Don’t appreciate some sitting in ivory towers passing judgements on two hard working individuals,when in truth would be better served fixing their own lives. Martin/Coburn first priority is the horse,before fans,etc. Fans will come and go.

  • Mike Relva

    eye roll

    • AngelaInAbilene

      Like your eye roll means jack in the grand scheme of things. Roll ‘em till they pop out Mr. Relva!

  • Mike Relva

    When are you going to discard the obvious bitterness?

  • Fuzzy pants

    So much for being the Under dogs horse .
    Martin shut the f@ck up!

  • AngelaInAbilene

    Mike, whether Mr. Flay has won the Derby or not is entirely irrelevant. He IS a very high profile person and not just in the racing venue. I rarely “attack” anyone, I just call it as I see it. I’m an equal opportunity “attacker,” some “connections” need to be “nailed to a cross” on the public square. A LOT of them deserve worse. “Sitting in an ivory tower” now that’s rich. I work my tail off every SINGLE day, taking care of horses other OWNERS have put on the road to Mexico, watching for others that are “fixin’ to” be, raising and training horses [the RIGHT way] and growing beef for you to put on your supper table. Let me tell you, my “ivory tower” is NOT ivory, it’s manure green. The only “fixing” my life needs is less BS from people that don’t know which end eats. [I realize Mr. Relva's comment was deleted but his response came to my inbox and I felt the need to respond to the self-appointed, knows EVERYTHNG there is to know about racing, race horses and horses in general man.] {No response required Mr. Relva unless you’d like to have this conversation face to face.}

  • 1955racingfan

    If anyone knows about being in the public eye & working the media circus, it’s you Mr Flay. Thanks for your commentary. It’s spot-on and I for one wish the DAP people would shut up & go away and let us celebrate your horse, as HE’S the one the hoopla is about, not DAP.

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