ZIADIE BLAMES DRUG VIOLATIONS ON ‘CHAOS’

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By Ray Paulick
Saturday’s Summit of Speed at Calder Race Course near Miami has attracted some of racing’s most successful trainers, including multiple Eclipse Award winners Todd Pletcher and Bob Baffert. But there’s another name on the program, that of Kirk Ziadie, who has become increasingly familiar to South Florida racing fans and horseplayers who wager on the long Calder meeting. 


Some people may in fact be wondering why Ziadie is allowed to start four horses in Saturday’s rich stakes program after being handed a 60-day suspension last month by the Florida Department of Business Regulations Division of Pari-Mutuel Wagering following  his 13th medication violation in Florida since 2004. (Click here to see the evidence in the case and the ruling against Ziadie for an Acepromazine positive in a horse that won at Gulfstream Park on March 17, 2007.)


Ziadie, 40, is the son of Ralph Ziadie, a Jamaican of Lebanese descent who came to the United States in the late 1970s and, after a few years of running a restaurant and selling cars, has been a fixture on the Miami racing scene. Kirk eventually went to work for his father before taking out his trainer’s license in 2003 and going out on his own. According to an article in a Jamaican newspaper, the two men have not been particularly close.


Like his father, who has won numerous training titles at Calder and is a member of the track’s Hall of Fame, Kirk Ziadie has been very successful at saddling winners. He won his first training title at Calder during the 2006-07 Tropical at Calder meeting where an astounding 53% of his starters were winners. He was leading trainer at Tampa Bay Downs the previous year with a strike rate of 31%.

But Ziadie (pictured, left) has also compiled a prodigious list of rules violations. Here is what the Association of Racing Commissioners International has on Kirk Ziadie in its database—30 rulings from five states since 2004, most of the fines and suspensions for medication violations (and that doesn’t include the most recent ruling, the 60-day suspension, against him):

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Ruling Number: 426000   Date: 3/25/2009

Issued By: Florida Division of Pari-Mutuel Wagering Facility:   Unknown

Ruling Type:   Unknown

Division:   Unknown Breed:   Unknown

Drug(s):

Fine Amount:   $ 500    Fine Paid: Not Submitted

Suspension Start: 5/2/2009 Suspension End:   None

Description:   320-Tampa Bay Downs, Inc. Horse: MIKE’S CLASSIC Drug: Clenbuterol (In Urine 4.5 ng/mL – In Serum 250 pg/mL) Sample # 426000 Lab # A294065-HB and A294065-HU

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Ruling Number: 421937   Date: 9/11/2008

Issued By: Florida Division of Pari-Mutuel Wagering Facility:   N/A

Ruling Type:   Unknown

Division:   Unknown Breed:   Unknown

Drug(s):

Fine Amount:   $ 1000   Fine Paid: Not Submitted

Suspension Start: 11/14/2008 Suspension End:   11/28/2008

Description:   325-Calder Race Course Horse: R SALTY VET Drug: Phenylbutazone Sample # 421937 Lab # A236124-HB HEARING DATE 11/14/2008 FINED $1000.00 AND OCCUPATIONAL LICENSE SUSPENDED FOR 15 DAYS: 12/2 through and including 12/16/2008.

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Ruling Number: 08082 Date: 8/20/2008

Issued By: Minnesota Racing Commission   Facility:   CANTERBURY PARK

Ruling Type:   Positive Drug Test

Division:   Horse Breed:   Thoroughbred

Drug(s): Dimethylsulfoxide

Fine Amount:   $ 200    Fine Paid: Yes

Suspension Start: None Suspension End:   None

Description:   Trainer Kirk M Ziadie, having responded is hereby assessed a civil penalty of $200 for a medication violation “Dimethylsulfoxide” (DMSO) found in the sample E77027 taken from the horse “Fireonthewire” following the fifth race at Canterbury Park on August 2, 2008. MS 240.24 MRC Rule 7890.0100 Subp. 13C; 7890.0110 Subp. 1.

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Ruling Number: 70-2008 DE Date: 8/6/2008

Issued By: Delaware Racing Commission Facility:   DELAWARE PARK

Ruling Type:   General Rulings

Division:   Horse Breed:   Thoroughbred

Drug(s): Unknown

Fine Amount:   $ 500    Fine Paid: Not Submitted

Suspension Start: None Suspension End:   None

Description:   70-2008 Trainer Kirk Ziadie, DOb 8/22/68, having waived his right to a hearing, is fined the sum of five hundred ($500.00) dollars for entering the horse “STEELIX”, which was on the Vets List at Saratoga, necessistating a scratch from the eighth race at Delaware Park on Sunday, July 27, 2008. Refer to D.T.R.C Rules 3.4; and 10.8.1.2. Fine to be paid within 48 hours. Ruling 70-2008

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Ruling Number: 408209   Date: 6/14/2008

Issued By: Florida Division of Pari-Mutuel Wagering Facility:   N/A

Ruling Type:   Unknown

Division:   Unknown Breed:   Unknown

Drug(s):

Fine Amount:   $ 1000   Fine Paid: Not Submitted

Suspension Start: 11/14/2008 Suspension End:   11/28/2008

Description:   325-Calder Race Course Horse: CENZONTLE Drug: Oxyphenbutazone Sample # 408209 Lab # A217496-HB HEARING DATE 11/14/08 FINED $1000 3rd offense within calendar year

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Ruling Number: 408219   Date: 6/14/2008

Issued By: Florida Division of Pari-Mutuel Wagering Facility:   N/A

Ruling Type:   Unknown

Division:   Unknown Breed:   Unknown

Drug(s):

Fine Amount:   $ 1000   Fine Paid: Not Submitted

Suspension Start: 11/14/2008 Suspension End:   11/28/2008

Description:   325-Calder Race Course Horse: ROMAGNOLA Drug: Oxyphenbtazone Sample # 408219 Lab # A217503-HB HEARING DATE 11/14/2008 FINED $1000.00

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Ruling Number: 2008010 Date: 6/12/2008

Issued By: Virginia Racing Commission Facility:   COLONIAL DOWNS

Ruling Type:   General Rulings

Division:   Horse Breed:   Thoroughbred

Drug(s):

Fine Amount:   $ 500    Fine Paid: Not Submitted

Suspension Start: None Suspension End:   None

Description:   Having waived his right to legal counsel and a hearing is hereby assessed a fine of $500 for scratching the horse, “BROAD SWORD” from the Seventh race on Tueaday, June 10, 2008 without an excuse satisfactory to the Stewards (the horse ran on June 8, 2008 at Delaware Park). Fine to be paid within 72 hours.

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Ruling Number: 23-2008 Date: 6/3/2008

Issued By: Delaware Racing Commission Facility:   DELAWARE PARK

Ruling Type:   Failure to Complete Interim License Procedure

Division:   Horse Breed:   Thoroughbred

Drug(s): Unknown

Fine Amount:   $ 500    Fine Paid: Yes

Suspension Start: None Suspension End:   None

Description:   23-2008 TRAINER KIRK ZIADIE, DOB 8/22/68, HAVING WAIVED HIS RIGHT TO A HEARING, IS FINED THE SUM OF FIVE HUNDRED ($500.00) DOLLARS FOR FAILING TO SECURE A CURRENT LICENSE AND FAILING TO HAVE WORKMEN’S COMPENSATION ON FILE WITH THE DELAWARE THOROUGHBRED RACING COMMISSION LICENSING OFFICE, NECESSITATING A SCRATCH ON THE HORSE “NAV QUATORZE” IN THE FOURTH RACE ON SATURDAY, MAY 17, 2008. REFER TO D.R.C RULES 7.1.1, 7.3.3, AND 3.4. FINE TO BE PAID WITHIN 48 HOURS. RULING 23-2008

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Ruling Number: 405268 2008004736 Date: 1/5/2008

Issued By: Florida Division of Pari-Mutuel Wagering Facility:   N/A

Ruling Type:   Positive Drug Test

Division:   Unknown Breed:   Unknown

Drug(s): Phenylbutazone

Fine Amount:   $ 500    Fine Paid: Not Submitted

Suspension Start: 1/26/2008   Suspension End:   None

Description:   321-Gulfstream Park Horse: FOREIGN RUCKUS Drug: Phenylbutazone Sample # 405268 Lab # A174623-HB Ruling #2008004736 Fine $500.00 Paid 1/27/08 Check #2325 (Total payment $750.00 for Case / Ruling # #2008 00 5198 [Ruling #2008004736], Fine $500.00 and 2007 06 8121 [Ruling #2008004547], Fine $250.00)

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Ruling Number: 401327 2007 06 8121 Date: 12/2/2007

Issued By: Florida Division of Pari-Mutuel Wagering Facility:   N/A

Ruling Type:   Unknown

Division:   Unknown Breed:   Unknown

Drug(s):

Fine Amount:   $ 250    Fine Paid: Not Submitted

Suspension Start: 1/25/2008   Suspension End:   None

Description:   Bute Overage 323-Tropical At Calder Race Course Sample 401327 Lab# A168394-HU Fine $250 Trainer Kirk Ziaidie, Ruling #2007 06 8121

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Ruling Number: 401327 2008004547 Date: 12/2/2007

Issued By: Florida Division of Pari-Mutuel Wagering Facility:   N/A

Ruling Type:   Positive Drug Test

Division:   Unknown Breed:   Unknown

Drug(s): Phenylbutazone

Fine Amount:   $ 250    Fine Paid: Not Submitted

Suspension Start: 1/25/2008   Suspension End:   None

Description:   323-Tropical Park, Inc Horse: REGAL GLORY Drug: Phenylbutazone Sample # 401327 Lab # A168394-HB Ruling #2008004547 Fine $250.00 Paid 1/27/08 Check #2325 (Total payment $750.00 for Case / Ruling # #2008 00 5198 [Ruling #2008004736], Fine $500.00 and 2007 06 8121 [Ruling #2008004547], Fine $250.00)

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Ruling Number: 195855   Date: 10/25/2007

Issued By: Florida Division of Pari-Mutuel Wagering  Facility:   N/A

Ruling Type:   Unknown

Division:   Unknown Breed:   Unknown

Drug(s):

Fine Amount:   $ 300    Fine Paid: Not Submitted

Suspension Start: 11/23/2008 Suspension End:   11/28/2008

Description:   323-Tropical Park, Inc @ 325-Calder Race Course Horse: HOLIDAY MOMENT Drug: Clenbuterol Sample # 195855 Lab # A15973-HU Report of Positive Results delivered to the Board of Stewards for possible administrative action on November 16, 2007. HEARING HELD 11/14/08 DID NOT DISPUTE LABORATORY FINDINGS WILL COMPLY WITH THE DECISION OF THE BOARD OF STEWARDS. FINED $300.00 1/20/09 Fine remains unpaid.

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Ruling Number: 320000964   Date: 3/11/2007

Issued By: Florida Division of Pari-Mutuel Wagering Facility:   N/A

Ruling Type:   Unknown

Division:   Unknown Breed:   Unknown

Drug(s):

Fine Amount:   $ 250    Fine Paid: Not Submitted

Suspension Start: 3/24/2007   Suspension End:   None

Description:   320-Tampa Bay Downs Expired coggins at race time JS Ruling #320-000964 Fine $250.00 Paid on 04/13/07 Ck # 094554

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Ruling Number: 191546 320000949 Date: 1/6/2007

Issued By: Florida Division of Pari-Mutuel Wagering Facility:   N/A

Ruling Type:   Positive Drug Test

Division:   Unknown Breed:   Unknown

Drug(s): Clenbuterol

Fine Amount:   $ 250    Fine Paid: Not Submitted

Suspension Start: 3/3/2007 Suspension End:   None

Description:   320-Tampa Bay Downs Horse: STEELIX Drug: Clenbuterol Sample #191546 Lab #A094103-HU Ruling No. 320-000949 dated 3/3/07. Fine $250.00. Fine paid 3/13/07 with ck#1441.

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Ruling Number: 188427 323000649 Date: 11/26/2006

Issued By: Florida Division of Pari-Mutuel Wagering Facility:   N/A

Ruling Type:   Positive Drug Test

Division:   Unknown Breed:   Unknown

Drug(s): Phenylbutazone

Fine Amount:   $ 1000   Fine Paid: Not Submitted

Suspension Start: 3/23/2007   Suspension End:   4/12/2007

Description:   323-Tropical Park, Inc Horse: PARADISE DANCER Drug: Phenylbutazone Sample #188427 Lab #A085564-HB 04/13/07 Rec’d Ruling # 323-000649 dated 03/28/07, fine of $100.00 Pd 04/12/07.

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Ruling Number: 187661   Date: 10/15/2006

Issued By: Florida Division of Pari-Mutuel Wagering Facility:   N/A

Ruling Type:   Positive Drug Test

Division:   Unknown Breed:   Unknown

Drug(s): Phenylbutazone

Fine Amount:   $ 1000   Fine Paid: Not Submitted

Suspension Start: 11/16/2006 Suspension End:   12/26/2006

Description:   325-Calder Race Course Horse: RGIRLDOESN’TBLUFF Drug: Phenylbutazone Sample #187661 Lab #A075986-HB Rec’d Ruling # 325-000939 dated 11/19/06 fine $1,000.00 Pd 12/26/06.

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Ruling Number: 185092 320000916 Date: 3/18/2006

Issued By: Florida Division of Pari-Mutuel Wagering Facility:   N/A

Ruling Type:   Positive Drug Test

Division:   Unknown Breed:   Unknown

Drug(s): Oxyphenbutazone   Phenylbutazone

Fine Amount:   $ 500    Fine Paid: Not Submitted

Suspension Start: 4/22/2006   Suspension End:   None

Description:   320-Tampa Bay Downs Horse: RED HEAD CHAMP Drug: Phenylbutazone / Oxyphenbutazone Sample #185092 Lab #A028872-HB Ruling No. 320.000916 dated 4/26/06. Fine $500.00. Fine paid 5/6/06 with check number 232.

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Ruling Number: 320000908   Date: 3/9/2006

Issued By: Florida Division of Pari-Mutuel Wagering Facility:   N/A

Ruling Type:   Unknown

Division:   Unknown Breed:   Unknown

Drug(s):

Fine Amount:   $ 250    Fine Paid: Not Submitted

Suspension Start: 3/19/2006   Suspension End:   None

Description:   320-Tampa Bay Downs Late Scratch: (No Offical Foal Certificate) JS Ruling #320-000908 Fine $250.00 Paid 4/1/06, Ck #060931

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Ruling Number: 184323 320000896 Date: 1/30/2006

Issued By: Florida Division of Pari-Mutuel Wagering Facility:   N/A

Ruling Type:   Unknown

Division:   Unknown Breed:   Unknown

Drug(s):

Fine Amount:   $ 250    Fine Paid: Not Submitted

Suspension Start: 3/2/2006 Suspension End:   None

Description:   320-Tampa Bay Downs Horse: KING DREAMER Drug: Dimethyl Sulfoxide Sample #184323 Lab #A015171-HU JS Ruling #320-000896 dated 3/2/06 – Fine $250.00 Paid 3/3/06, Ck #3303.

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Ruling Number: 183059 320000895 Date: 1/15/2006

Issued By: Florida Division of Pari-Mutuel Wagering Facility:   N/A

Ruling Type:   Unknown

Division:   Unknown Breed:   Unknown

Drug(s):

Fine Amount:   $ 100    Fine Paid: Not Submitted

Suspension Start: 3/2/2006 Suspension End:   None

Description:   320-Tampa Bay Downs Horse: KING DREAMER Drug: Dimethyl Sulfoxide Sample #183059 Lab #A011618-HU JS Ruling #320-000895 dated 3/2/06. Fine $100.00. Fine Paid 3/3/06 with Ck #3303.

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Ruling Number: 320000869   Date: 1/12/2006

Issued By: Florida Division of Pari-Mutuel Wagering Facility:   N/A

Ruling Type:   Unknown

Division:   Unknown Breed:   Unknown

Drug(s):

Fine Amount:   $ 250    Fine Paid: Not Submitted

Suspension Start: 1/23/2006   Suspension End:   None

Description:   320-Tampa Bay Downs Late Stratch JS Ruling #320-000869 Fine $250.00 Paid 2/3/06 Ck #087268

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Ruling Number: 320000870   Date: 1/1/2006

Issued By: Florida Division of Pari-Mutuel Wagering Facility:   N/A

Ruling Type:   Unknown

Division:   Unknown Breed:   Unknown

Drug(s):

Fine Amount:   $ 250    Fine Paid: Not Submitted

Suspension Start: 1/23/2006   Suspension End:   None

Description:   320-Tampa Bay Downs Late Scratch JS Ruling #320-000870 dated 1/23/06. Fine $250.00 Paid 2/3/06 Ck #087268.

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Ruling Number: 179373 323000607 Date: 12/2/2005

Issued By: Florida Division of Pari-Mutuel Wagering Facility:   N/A

Ruling Type:   Positive Drug Test

Division:   Unknown Breed:   Unknown

Drug(s): Phenylbutazone

Fine Amount:   $ 250    Fine Paid: Not Submitted

Suspension Start: 1/20/2006   Suspension End:   None

Description:   323-Tropical Park @ 325-Calder Race Course Inv Diana Neira Horse: FAR WEST Drug: Phenylbutazone Sample #179373 Lab #A001018-HB JS Ruling #323-000607 Fine $250.00 Pd 1/17/06 Ck. #3040

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Ruling Number: *N*10094780 Date: 7/7/2005

Issued By: New Jersey Racing Commission Facility:   MONMOUTH PARK

Ruling Type:   Unknown

Division:   Unknown Breed:   Unknown

Drug(s):

Fine Amount:   $ 100    Fine Paid: Not Submitted

Suspension Start: None Suspension End:   None

Description:   FAILED TO HAVE FOAL PAPERS ON FILE.

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Ruling Number: *N*10094102 Date: 6/23/2005

Issued By: New Jersey Racing Commission Facility:   MONMOUTH PARK

Ruling Type:   Unknown

Division:   Unknown Breed:   Unknown

Drug(s):

Fine Amount:   $ 100    Fine Paid: Not Submitted

Suspension Start: None Suspension End:   None

Description:   FAILED TO HAVE FOAL PAPERS ON FILE.

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Ruling Number: 173147 325000843 Date: 5/8/2005

Issued By: Florida Division of Pari-Mutuel Wagering Facility:   N/A

Ruling Type:   Positive Drug Test

Division:   Unknown Breed:   Unknown

Drug(s): Clenbuterol

Fine Amount:   $ 300    Fine Paid: Not Submitted

Suspension Start: 7/24/2005   Suspension End:   None

Description:   320-Tampa Bay Downs (Raced in Tampa Bay Downs but Stables Horses @ 325-Calder Race Course) Inv Dennis Badillo Horse: DON AGUSTIN Drug: Clenbuterol Cl 3 Sample 173147 Lab #25859M JS Ruling #325-000843 Fine $300.00 Paid 8/23/05, Ck #32157

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Ruling Number: 320000840   Date: 4/22/2005

Issued By: Florida Division of Pari-Mutuel Wagering Facility:   N/A

Ruling Type:   Unknown

Division:   Unknown Breed:   Unknown

Drug(s):

Fine Amount:   $ 100    Fine Paid: Not Submitted

Suspension Start: 4/17/2005   Suspension End:   None

Description:   320-Tampa Bay Downs No Foal Certificate At Race Time JS Ruling #320-000840 Fine $100.00. Fine paid 4/17/05.

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Ruling Number: 089809 323000578 Date: 12/3/2004

Issued By: Florida Division of Pari-Mutuel Wagering Facility:   N/A

Ruling Type:   Unknown

Division:   Unknown Breed:   Unknown

Drug(s):

Fine Amount:   $ 500    Fine Paid: Not Submitted

Suspension Start: 11/17/2005 Suspension End:   1/17/2006

Description:   323-Tropical Park Inc Resp Lic #701515 Inv Dennis Badillo Horse: BOLIDO Drug: Glycopyrrolate Cl Sample #089809 Lab #01072M 12/16/04, As per J. Helton all Glycopyrrolate DP have been referred to our Legal Dept. until a final determination has been made. JS Ruling #323-000578 – Fine $500.00 Paid 1/17/06, Ck #3039 – Included in this ruling is Case #2004057550

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Ruling Number: 088845   Date: 10/14/2004

Issued By: Florida Division of Pari-Mutuel Wagering Facility:   N/A

Ruling Type:   Unknown

Division:   Unknown Breed:   Unknown

Drug(s):

Fine Amount:   $ 0   Fine Paid: Not Submitted

Suspension Start: 11/17/2005 Suspension End:   1/17/2006

Description:   325-Calder Race Course Resp Lic #701515 Inv Dennis Badillo Horse: MUSICAL BEAT Drug: Glycopyrrolate Cl 3 Sampe #088845 Lab #94082L 12/07/04, As per J.Helton all Glycopyrrolate Drup Posotives have been referred to our Legal Dept. until a final determination has been made. Rec’d. J/S Ruling 323-000578 dated 11/17/05 fine $500.00 and a 15 days supension, completed 11/14-11/28. Note that the same Ruling also included case # 2004060610, sample # 089809, in which the fine and suspension applied for both violations.

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Ruling Number: 932228   Date: 5/2/2004

Issued By: Florida Division of Pari-Mutuel Wagering Facility:   Unknown

Ruling Type:   Positive Drug Test

Division:   Unknown Breed:   Unknown

Drug(s): Flunixin

Fine Amount:   $ 100    Fine Paid: Not Submitted

Suspension Start: 5/30/2004   Suspension End:   None

Description:   320-Tampa Bay Downs Resp Lic #701515 Inv Nicolas Miyar Horse: BRUSHED WITH GLORY Drug: Flunixin Sample #932228 Lab #73783L Ruling #325-000676 issued by Board of Stewards at Calder Race Course on May 30, 2004; respondent fined $100.00. Fine paid June 1, 2004 by Ck. #104.

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By my estimate, Ziadie has paid a total of $13,550 in fines for his violations, which some might equate as the cost of doing business as a horse trainer. However, some horsemen manage to get through an entire career without any fines or suspensions for breaking medication rules.


The current suspension against Ziadie is based on a positive test from March 2007. According to the ruling, at a hearing on the case (in April of 2009), Ziadie admitted to giving Acepromazine to his horses on race day to “settle them at the starting gate.” Ziadie denied giving the Class 3 drug (according to RCI guidelines) to the horse in question, although according to the ruling he admitted his accounting and stable management had been “in chaos” over a period of time. Ziadie said at the April hearing that he had hired a new accountant.


He then asked the presiding officer of the Division of Pari-Mutuel Wagering for leniency.


Seriously.


So here we have a trainer, one who has won many races, but who has more than 30 rules violations in less than six years on the job. He is being judged on a positive test for a prohibited substance from two years earlier; since that alleged infraction, he’s had several other fines and suspensions meted out against him—and he is asking for leniency.


Ziadie has also taken his case outside of racing’s regulatory system and has asked for and received a stay of the suspension from a court of appeals while he and an attorney consider an appeal to the ruling. That way, he won’t get shut out of running his horses in Saturday’s Summit of Speed at Calder.


And we wonder, “Why has racing lost its popularity and credibility?”


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As a final note, I wouldn’t be writing about Kirk Ziadie and his record of rules violations if it weren’t for the persistence of a racing fan and horseplayer who brought the case to my attention when the original ruling was handed down a couple of weeks ago. I want to thank him and all the others who help keep the Paulick Report informed through our anonymous tip line about some of the things going on in Thoroughbred racing and breeding that are either ignored or underreported by the mainstream media and trade press.

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  • Al

    Just the tip of the iceberg. Regulators, racetrack venue operators, state governments and the mainstream press are trying to keep a lid on Pandora’s box instead of dealing with the demons inside. Throw the book at this fellow, eliminate him from the game, and move on to the next deviant.

  • smithy

    welcome to horse racing in the USA.

  • Richard Coreno

    This is what makes this industry equal to the East German women’s swim team….pump ‘em up and let ‘em roll. And getting caught with the juice means less than nothing if you are a star.

    A trainer struggling with two claimers in a van doesn’t have his papers in order and he’s the criminal element who is ruining the “Sport of Kings.” A top trainer has racers literally glowing in the dark and it’s false positives, a disgruntled former employee and/or simply a mystery….and track management nods their collective heads up and down like bobblehead dolls.

  • http://www.teamvalor.com Barry Irwin

    If States relinquished their authority over racing jurisdistions and turned over the responsibility to each individual racetrack and due process was eliminated, guys like this character would no be able to exploit the system.

    It is time, while States have big holes in their budgets, to negotiate the right to rule over license holders on behalf of racetracks, and kick the States’ respective butts out of the sport.

    Yes, pay the States their tax bite, but get them out of the regulatory part of the game, because they are killing the sport with their ineptitute.

    California racing is the shining beacon in this regard. Has anybody ever seen a State attorney general that could fend off a private lawyer? Answer: no.

    So let’s get the lawyers and the States the hell out of racing!

  • How bout that?

    Oh, this is just ridiculous. Makes you want to throw up!!! Thanks for bringing it to our attention. Funny, Why does it always have to be Paulick to bring this stuff to the light of day?? And then he is probably looked at like the beareer of bad news. You know, “Why don’t you mind your own business” type of comments. “Why son’t you just report the good things about racing”. The kind of crap comments made by people who are involved in this behavior and or cover up this kind of behavior.

  • Tiznowbaby

    The fact that there’s no embarrassment or shame on the part of Ziadie says it all.
    It is my belief that horses should neither run or or train on drugs. Drug therapy for a sick or injured horse, yes. But neither of those horses should be in training until well.

  • Muggs

    I have to admit. Blaming that many positives on an accountant problem is one I’ve never heard before. What is a legit Fla trainer to do if he draws in a race with this guy and theHulk?

  • pat culhane

    That is the way in America.In England,A trainer Gingell got two years for milkshaking a horse.Another trainer,Henderson got 3months and fined 40,000 pounds for giving an illegal substance to the Queen’s horse.We have to be much more agressive in suspensions and fines or the integrity of this sport will be maligned forever.

  • http://www.theknightskyracing.blogspot.com The_Knight_Sky racing blog

    Barry Irwin wrote:

    So let’s get the lawyers and the States the hell out of racing!

    ________________________

    Agreed.
    Thoroughbred racetracks should be allowed to conduct business the way any other business.

    If the state politictions are going to throw a monkey wrench into the equation
    they do not deserve to have a gamut of fledgling racetracks in their state. (hello Ohio !)

  • http://www.theknightskyracing.blogspot.com The_Knight_Sky racing blog

    How bout that wrote:

    Funny, Why does it always have to be Paulick to bring this stuff to the light of day??
    And then he is probably looked at like the beareer of bad news.

    ____________________

    This ain’t bad news. It’s the truth.

    Cheers to some more from The Paulick Report. ;-)

  • Aunt Bea

    To point out the need for a central authority, I’ll play Devil’s Advocate here. There could be any number of personal or off- track issues at work here between Ziadie and the Calder frontside or Stewards, who knows? But due to a complete lack of transparency in different jurisdictions regarding All medication test results, it seems to be the preferred method of regulators to dirty up a trainer they have a grudge against.
    If you fight the frontside they always have the right to enact house rules and throw you out.

  • Robert

    At least he did not discriminate between his horses – they all ran on drugs!

  • MED

    He has a horse test positive for Ace and somehow it’s related to the hiring of a new accountant?? That would be hilarious if it weren’t so sad. I blame owners as well-by continuing to support Ziadie they’re approving of his methods.

  • Mary Overman

    “The fact that there’s no embarrassment or shame on the part of Ziadie says it all.”

    Isn’t THAT the truth! That says it ALL – about the expectations of tracks, trainers, owners, the State and national racing regulators … even the public.

    Ray – how does one get the actual listing of violations against a trainer? Is it only available via the Association of Racing Commissioners International? If so, is this info available to the betting public or only to members?

  • edwin states

    The fines and penalties meted out to trainers have never amounted to a small hill of beans. as long as the suspensions are always served at the convicteds convenience and leisure, when served at all, nothing will ever change. Look at guys like Dutrow and others, they go on vacations, and their stables continue to run horses and earn money as always… business as usual. Everybody is an an uproar over this Dutrow thing, 30 days… are you serious, he thinks its funny… doesn’t bother him at all. And remember all the IEAH talk a year ago about only being associated with non drug using trainers, gee, all I see is them moving more horses to Dutrows barn, not less. Its all a bunch of talk… NO ACTION!!!

  • rwwupl

    Barry Irwin Says:
    July 8th, 2009 at 11:42 am
    If States relinquished their authority over racing jurisdistions and turned over the responsibility to each individual racetrack and due process was eliminated, guys like this character would no be able to exploit the system.

    It is time, while States have big holes in their budgets, to negotiate the right to rule over license holders on behalf of racetracks, and kick the States’ respective butts out of the sport.

    Yes, pay the States their tax bite, but get them out of the regulatory part of the game, because they are killing the sport with their ineptitute.

    California racing is the shining beacon in this regard. Has anybody ever seen a State attorney general that could fend off a private lawyer? Answer: no.

    So let’s get the lawyers and the States the hell out of racing!
    ———————————————————————————————————–

    Barry Irwin has the kind of ideas that our industry needs.

    I support this idea 100%

    He also says we need the State vet to approve all drugs given the horses, anything else found would be a violation.

    I support thois idea 100%

    Who says the problems of racing can not be solved?

    Get rid of the inept regulators!

    Barry Irwin for CZAR !

    Barry Irwin for Chairmen of the CHRB!

    A new broom sweeps clean!

  • Billy Crockett

    Ray,

    Ziadie is one of the few trainers in the business who combines his bills with those of his vet.

    His owners do not get an itemized vet bill…just one big fat number on his bill. And I do mean big and fat.

    Besides the obvious potential for marking up the bills, it also keeps the owners in the dark about what is going into their horses.

  • Garrett Redmond

    Please pay careful attention to Barry Irwin’s proposal: Get the lawyers and the governments out of racing. That includes the Federal government – all you who cry for a US Government agency with a tsar.

    Most of these inept agencies operate under the cloak of Public Protection. (Kentucky a prime example). Fine examples of protection. Took two years to act on Dutrow.

    (Not quite on point, but, one member of Kentucky Horse Racing Commission is running for a seat on the Breeders’ Cup Board !!!!!)

    Can’t say the prospect of the racetracks being the regulators would be a cause for joy. Maybe, just maybe, the NTRA could find the way back to something close to it’s intended purpose. All the racetrack members could agree to follow uniform rules, procedures and PENALTIES as spelled out by NTRA. Naturally, to be successful, it would first be necessary to unload all the lawyers at NTRA.

    As he has the standing in the community, maybe Barry Irwin can gather a few others of equal regard and begin moving the horse industry in the right direction.

  • Erich Weiss

    Just a publicized account about what EVERYBODY in the business already knows about this guy. It’s common knowledge this guy barely even knows what end of a horse does what, and yet he wins and wins and wins. Believe me, this is the tip of the iceburg, he has stuff they don’t even have tests for, or better yet is using Bute to cover up. Hey, take the bute positive to cover the stuff that really helps the horses. He comes to the barn sometimes once a month and yet he wins at 30+%…….. he probably wont even show up for the Summit of Speed. His major owner once told me that this guy is a “Shaman” and he can “talk to horses”, I just think he is a big cheater.

  • http://www.theknightskyracing.blogspot.com The_Knight_Sky racing blog

    rwwupl wrote:

    Barry Irwin for CZAR !

    Barry Irwin for Chairmen of the CHRB!

    ___________________________________

    Barry Irwin on the TOC

    Barry Irwin on the Breeders Cup board.

    Barry Irwin on the Jockey Club Organization

    Barry Irwin for NTRA presidency

    Barry Irwin for __________

    You get the idea. LOL :D

  • Mary Overman

    I especially like the fact that it appears this fellow had an 11/26/2006 violation for use of Phenylbutazone – which was DURING the time he was ALREADY suspended (11/16/06-12/26/06) for a 10/15/06 use of Phenylbutazone on another horse in the same jurisdiction! How can that possibly happen?

  • http://www.teamvalor.com Barry Irwin

    I would be happy to be able to pee directly into the toilet 53 percent of the time!

  • Gavemylifetoracing

    I always just assumed he was a cheater, but never took the time to research it. You’ve got to love this game. Can’t get money on my Youbet account fast enough.

  • Jeremy Jet

    Here’s the irony, though: state government bungling should be eliminated, as Irwin suggests, but the threat of FEDERAL sanctions are also needed in order to give the cheaters pause. Racetracks have proven unequivocally that they are incapable of punishing cheaters appropriately, as they are (warning: further layer of irony ahead) afraid of losing the entries!

    Why do you think that so many of the big name cheaters have had so few positives? It’s because racetracks have historically swept many of the under the rug, as they did not want to lose the horses, and believed that it would damage their reputations if trainers were caught cheating!

    You really can’t make this stuff up…

  • Surfer Joe

    Barry Irwin should worry more about finding runners for his clients. Been a long time since he has had a real good one. And its not from a lack of spending. Cot Cambell seems to be doing pretty good.

  • Ratherrapid

    more fodder for our good conspiracy theorists who at mention of every violation are reinventing the pavlov dog. looks to me as if Paulick is talking about “one” trainer instead of the whole sport. At first blush, declining to analyze closely, looks like the fellow has a large number of relatively minor violations for which he receives steep fines. So much for the theory that Florida Stewards wink their eyes or fail to test, or permit cheating without punishment.

    My question would be whether there is a problem here in the Florida Racing Commission regs. Do they permit hanging by the toe nails for repeat jay walking. Do they permit punishment of repeat offenders, OR do they instead require appropriate punishment within guidelines for each offense?

  • http://www.dwiattorney.com Russell Powell

    Stiffer penalties is the only solution. Will be interesting to see what happens to Asmussen in Texas. He will not get a six month suspension. There is no way. Remember, his alleged drug violation occurred at Lone Star less than a month after they celebrated Steve Asmussen bobblehead night. With a legal team of Karen Murphy and Maggi Moss, coupled with his challenges to the blood samples, an expert witness from LSU and Bill Mott as a character witness, Asmussen gets a handslap at best on this one. And maybe that is the right outcome. Some of these cases are difficult decisions. Some are not. The clear cut violations need to be penalized swiflty, consistently and with harsher penalties. Otherwise, the conduct of the Kirk Ziadies of the world will continue, and the horses and the betting public will suffer.

  • Dray33

    Call the Florida Department of Business Regulations Division of Pari-Mutuel Wagering and ask for the report. It’s chock full of offenders, but Florida doesn’t quite know what to do about them. Have they enacted the stricter guidelines set out by the ARCI yet? When steroid regulations were enacted, Florida “got around to it” by giving trainers “warnings” for several months. Then, they said end of summer, the ARCI rules “could” be in place. Please. 40 states get to play games, protect 40 different payrolls, 40 different rules, 40 different ways to suck money out of the system.

    National Government oversight. It’s our only hope.

  • Tiznowbaby

    Ratherrapid, they’re minor violations only because racing jurisdications say they’re minor and allow it..
    I believe any drug violation should include a penalty of hanging by the toenails if that’s what it takes.
    I just don’t think horses should be trained day-to-day on drugs, much less run on drugs. That’s MHO.

  • Stephen

    I remember seeing Kirk featured in Thoroughbred Times about three years ago as an >up and coming trainer< in the industry having saddles horses for the likes of the Kinsman Stable, etc. I never met him, but have sat with his dad a few times during the Gulfstream meet this year. It just seems to me like another guy who is taking out of the industry rather than contributing to the industry.

  • rwwupl

    Barry,

    53% is better than the current managers.

  • michael giorgio

    What a joke! How can someone with this record be allowed to continue racing?
    We, as owners and bettors, must wake up before it’s too late. The viability of our sport is in jeopardy. How can we possibly expect to attract and retain a larger fan base if racing is seen-clearly-as a ‘rigged game’ loaded with cheaters?
    Until and unless there is a national, centralized racing authority with the power to enforce the SAME medication rules in every state, the Kirk Ziadie’s of this world will continue to proliferate. That said, a tough, no-nonsense policy of punishment is long overdue. Ziadie and his ilk will continue to cheat, often in tandem with unscrupulous vets, so long as the punishment is nothing but a slap on the wrist.
    If all that you list above, Ray, is accurate, people like Ziadie should be banned for life. But guess what? I’m skeptical. Nothing’s going to change, at least not before it’s too late to save a sport and business that’s already on life support.

  • GeorgeB

    I Bet all this stuff would stop if this guy was indicted by the feds and charged with race fixing.

  • ratherrapid

    tiznow the drug-anti-drug is a legit debate although i’d prefer posters cease bringing it up with every issue. the idea that everybody in the sport cheats, which is something else that keeps coming up again and again, should be permitted to remain unchallenged only if it is true. Why tar and feather the sport because a few of our partcipants are psyhcos? I’d prefer to look at Paulick’s post a little differently. I see an impressive record of CONVICTIONS, and I’d like to know why cumulative multiple offenses fail to receive stiffer action. Sometimes things at the track are less clear cut than it appears when the spotlight shines. E.g. is this the guy at Calder the volunteers an entry every time the racing secretary calls. Has he done other things that are possibly in mitigation of some of the circumstances Is this maybe a guy who tries to keep his horses running instead of having them wind up in the killer truck, etc. etc.

  • Kincsem1874

    About a decade ago I went into the Florida Department of Business Regulations Division of Pari-Mutuel Wagering office. In the midst of asking for information (they didn’t have) I asked if the office had a copy of any American Racing Manual. The response was they had never heard of it.

  • Bob Lee

    I agree with ratherrapid. Why were there not stiffer penalties given the long list of convictions? The issue has more to do with a lack of severity in penalties than the powers that be ignoring violations.

    Also, anyone who thinks that turning over enforcement to the tracks themselves would be an improvement is dreaming. A single national authority enforcing uniform rules from coast-to-coast is the only answer, though I’m not holding my breath waiting for that to happen.

  • http://whobet.blogspot.com Whobet

    I assume Paulick got the rulings against here:

    https://www.arci-members.com/publicpages/publicrulings.asp

    Sites should promte this site, Whobet’s Picks does

  • Ray Paulick

    Regarding the information from the Association of Racing Commissioners International database, they have been very cooperative with media requests for many years. I’m sure they do not have the staff to reply to all requests that might come in from the general public.

    I think it would be a service to the industry if all the RCI rulings information (public records at least) were made available for to the public for searching. However, it’s a relatively lean organization, and it would require considerable programming before that could happen.

    WHOBET… you’re right about the RCI section that you linked to…it’s a good service and certainly a start toward more transparency regarding rulings and violations. We’ll add a link to it on the Paulick Report. Thanks for the suggestion.

  • Aunt Bea

    Ray,
    All that ‘s fine and dandy concerning RCI rulings, but are the rulings a level playing field? Let’s see ALL horse’s tests made public. Do Farish horses drug tests get the same scrutiny in KY as a Dutrow test?
    A Casse horse in FL the same scrutiny as a Ziadie horse? As I said, earlier, who knows but the deep insiders, and I personally don’t trust that political crowd much when the cards are down, truthfulness versus gotcha.

  • Ray Paulick

    Aunt Bea…..It’s my understanding samples are numbered before being sent to labs so that the labs have no idea what horse or race they are testing.

    I love conspiracies as much as the next person, but if I start believing that the labs know who owns the horse whose urine is being tested, I might as well put on the tin foil hat and start looking for aliens. Are some samples tested more carefully or for more substances than others? I think that’s very possible, especially in cases where a trainer is winning at an unfathomable rate. But I can’t see labs and chemists looking the other way just because a horse is owned by a certain person. That’s crazy.

  • Aunt Bea

    Ray.
    Not to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but when you people want to keep hammering on R Dutrow, who trained the only Kentucky Derby winner in many years that didn’t get a shot of Bute the day before, because he was honest enough to say he gave Winstrol as did many other (60%?) trainers in the Derby, and make certain high percentage trainers out to be running Meth Labs in the barn, I say ENOUGH ALREADY!
    Where are all you high fallutin fools at 5:00AM in the morning day in, day out, to see what really goes on at the track? Never seen you once!!!!

  • Aunt Bea

    BTW, as I understand the situation, the horse with an overage is reported to the state Stewards, who have the discretion to call a positive test or not. If I am wrong in this understanding, please correct me.

  • Tiznowbaby

    ratherrapid, it’s a bit hard to avoid the drug-anti drug debate when discussing this particular story ;)

    OK, Aunt Bea, I say forgive Dutrow his list of sins because he didn’t use Bute the day before the Derby. Makes sense to me.

  • http://www.teamvalor.com Barry Irwin

    Surfer Joe:

    2009 stakes winners

    Team Valor 10
    Dogwood 1

  • Don Reed

    Oops.

    We regret to inform you that we are interrupting the debate in order to bring you the “news” that:

    Rich Dutrow, the winner of the Nobel Prize for Chemistry, has been suspended – AGAIN – for a positive drug test (of one of his horses, not the trainer himself).

    The race in question ran about a year ago.

    What nice “rules.” You get to “game the system” and keep training – repeatedly being able to postpone answering to the stewards for a positive test – and keep on cashing checks from purses.

    But you can’t run forever, even if you’re the rabbit and the stewards are a pack of tortoises.

    So, eventually, you get a month or so off – preferably in the off season when purses decline. Time to catch up with what’s doin’ with the family.

    Maybe South Beach Florida might be nice. The assistant trainer will run things while you’re being “punished” – and soon, anyway, things will be back to normal.

    Life is good, babe.

    Now, what were we talking about?

  • Don Reed

    And Barry -

    Good luck finding an “assitant” trainer on that 53% target!

    Maybe Z can hire Bernie Madoff’s old accountant; I hear he’s available.

  • Don Reed

    Aunt Bea:

    Your overall point about “5:00 am” is a good one. That’s when things happen – for better or for worse – that the average racing fans are almost never aware of.

    Now, let’s mention one specific instance that might add perspective.

    It used to be one of the greatest events in any sport: Get up at 4:30 am and walk on down to the Saratoga “Oklahoma” training track.

    Getting in was never a problem, and if you had the consideration & the common sense to stay the hell out of the way of the horses, you could witness the training.

    Trainers were astonishingly extroverted & polite; exercise riders were pleasant and outgoing. I will never forget the conversation I had with John Ward, who took the time to be an ambassador of the sport & talk about the Alydar chapter of his life, etc.

    Of course, in the context of this forum, you can guess where this is going.

    The brain-dead NYRA executives then decided that fans were a security risk & a new rule took effect: No more admittance to the OK training track. None.

    The fact that you didn’t look anything like Timothy McVeigh had nothing to do with it. If you were merely alive, that was sufficient cause for suspicion.

    What a shame it was that they also couldn’t outlaw bankruptcy – which in their case, ensued not too long afterwards.

    Needless to say, this is reason – oh, probably #53 – why I no longer have one 10th the desire to get involved that I used to have, when the opportunity to have anything to do with racing presents itself.

    So, Aunt Bea – do not assume that fans always going to find a welcome mat at the front gates at 5:00 am.

  • No More Cheaters

    Perhaps, if Barry Irwin didn’t employ trainers such as Pletcher and Sadler, you could take his thoughts on this subject seriously, rather than viewing them as “holier than thou” hypocrisy.

  • Aunt Bea

    Don Reed: Go to bed please
    Barry Irwin: still authorizing raceday meds on your horses while calling others cheats? uh-huh

  • Nick Kling

    To Don Reed:

    NYRA did not choose to ban the public from Oklahoma. They were forced to do so by the New York State Racing & Wagering Board, which was enforcing a law enacted by the real brain dead — the NYS legislature.

    You are correct that it was a terrible development — one which still resonates with racing fans in the Saratoga area.

    To Jeremy Jet:

    You are correct that transferring regulation from states to racetracks would be like handing the responsibility from one of the three stooges to another.

    Rather, a real deterrent would be getting law enforcement officials to start slapping those with serious violations with a charge of sports racketeering for trying to alter the outcome of a sporting event.

    That’s what happened to Greg Martin for the A One Jet milkshaking incident. The threat of jail time might make these guys think twice.

  • edwin states

    item 1) Aunt Bea isn’t paranoid, is she?? i don’t recollect house rules EVER being invoked to “throw out” anyone….

    Item 2) Barry Irwin does employ trainers that use illegal, non-testing race day meds, and he knowingly does so… that IS true… so I guess he is a hypocrite.

  • Aunt Bea

    Ed: tell that to the Tampa jocks a couple years ago. Not familiar with Buddy Jacobson?

  • Aunt Bea

    Last comments on this crap, I promise!!
    The funny part about Dutrow’s KY clenbuterol overage was Chief Steward J Veitch making a pretty extraordinary claim in announcing the positive that the sample basically blew the roof off the test lab, when in actuality, it was a minor overage that would have actually been legal in many jurisdictions. This announcement came Preakness week,as I recall.
    This from the guy that in trying to bayonet P. Biancone at a hearing in KY, had to admit to administering cobra venom to triple crown winner in his care, Alydar. You really can’t make this $#!+ up!
    It would have been awesome if Dutrow hadn’t “worked the system”, and just immediately taken the days to deny Pimlico and Belmont a KY Derby winner!!!

  • edwin states

    If he had taken the days during Preakness and Belmont season, the horse would have run under an assistants name, LIKE USUAL…. nobody would have been denied seeing BIG BROWN run…., don’t you get it??

  • Nick Kling

    Aunt Bea,

    You’re going to have a hard time getting anyone to sympathize with Rick Dutrow.

    This is guy who was training his stable via cell phone while on suspension, incurring another suspension.

    This is the guy who was involved with bogus workouts for a horse clandestinely stabled at a NYRA track when the horse was supposed to be in New Jersey. Then, when the horse won a Canadian stakes race, under Bobby Frankel’s name, some of the people involved gloated over having fleeced the locals.

    Just what racing needs, eh?

  • edwin states

    Nick Kling, I think your on the right track, but unless I’m mistaken. Greg Martin never saw the inside of a jail cell…. as I’ve said before, cheaters are rarely punished, if at all…..last I heard, he was working in “restaurant linen supplies” in NJ, gee, thats not a racket job, is it??

  • racefan

    Well, this entire converstaion would seem more relevant if every time I read the Paulick report I didn’t read how wagering is down 17 % every succesive month; don’t worry, there won’t be any more racing in this country before long, the publics perception of a level playing field, heck, even a semblance of integrity has eroded so far and fast that nobody will be supporting the game, thry wagering, in the very near future…

  • Aunt Bea

    No sympathy asked for, Nick. Just shining a light on the hypocrisy of it all.

  • Nick Kling

    Edwin,

    You are correct, but at least Greg is out of racing.

    Perhaps if owners or their horses were suspended as well, this would stop. How long do you think a high profile owner would stay with a trainer if the owner was barred, or if his or her horses couldn’t be entered?

    The answer? Not long.

    For those who have forgotten, take a look at who owned A One Jet when the milkshaking scam was uncovered.

  • http://www.teamvalor.com Barry Irwin

    Anybody that thinks Pletcher or Sadler are cheaters does not know how to read.

  • Michael Bray

    Nick Kling Says:
    July 9th, 2009 at 7:33 am

    Perhaps if owners or their horses were suspended as well, this would stop. How long do you think a high profile owner would stay with a trainer if the owner was barred, or if his or her horses couldn’t be entered?

    The answer? Not long.

    Nick Kling,

    Now you have hit the nail right on the head with your statement. Most owners keep looking the other way when the vet bill issue arises. The attitude held is “win at any cost or I will find someone who does”. The owners, the stables and horses should not be allowed to compete during the suspensions of the trainers. Regardless of what the race may be. If the owner is not allowed to start any horses any where they will be more likely to take control of what is happening in their name. Race tracks do have the authority to refuse any entry but decide to allow entries for the sake of the almighty buck. So the tracks and administration is to blame as well.

    I speak form personal experience.

  • Jeremy Jet

    “Anybody that thinks Pletcher or Sadler are cheaters does not know how to read.”

    Say what? Anyone who knows how to read a racing form, or watch races knows – to use the most obvious example – that Pletcher was the highest profile, most successful cheater in history until a couple of years ago when, after Saratoga, his horses mysteriously began to run like normal horses. Anyone who failed to notice that demarcation knows nothing about the game.

    I could go on, but why bother?

  • http://www.teamvalor.com Barry Irwin

    Anecdotal, apochryphal. Gimme facts.

  • Jeremy Jet

    Barry –

    I actually am privy to facts, but am not interested in providing them to you. More to the point, the notion that overwhelming circumstantial evidence is insufficient for you indicates that you are either a hypocrite, or prefer to navigate the racing landscape with (very) rose colored glasses.

    Let me guess: you believe that Pat Byrne is/was a superb trainer, and that it was simply a coincidence that Alday was his vet during his brief, blindingly anomalous, ascendant period. Correct?

    And Todd’s numbers dropped off a cliff in the fall of 2007 and have never approached their former (inflated) heights because…?

  • edwin states

    I know nobody want to hear this, (which is half the problem), but jeremyjet is 100% correct; Todds horses ran differently, it wasn’t that they won, but the WAY they were winning… J.V. would put them into a sustaiend drive at the 5/8 ths pole, and they would still get the last 1/4 in 22 & change….. it was abnormal for a TB to have that ability, and Todds horses dont have that ability now…. you do the math….

  • Joe

    It is not follow the money, it is follow Alday. Why is a guy like him allowed near a racetrack? Certain trainers went cold right after Biancone and his doc got busted.

    Come on Aunt Bea, a 53% win percentage? A 31%? A 20% win percentage is extraordinary.

    Nick, don’t forget the night Dickie was caught visiting his horses while being suspended… Was he missing his horses that bad and wanted to blow them kisses?

    The first hour of the Nov. 2, 2007 “At The Races” with Steve Byk (Sirius Radio) is a classic filled with irony. While discussing Wild Desert’s fake workout in NJ before winning the Queen’s Plate, Steve Alday calls in because it is “pay back time” and proceeds to tell the audience how Dickie loves to cheat.

    An 8 year old gelding named Cincinnati Jay (KY) (57 starts, 6-11-5 $77K) had just returned from a long layoff when he raced poorly on 6/20/09 at Arapahoe. He was entered again a week later in a bottom claiming race also at Arapahoe. Allegedly, the gelding’s front legs were iced for over four hours before the race. With ice-cold legs, he passed the vet exam. He ran in the back of pack as he had done previously, broke both front legs then tried to get up on stumps while his jockey laid on the ground with a broken back… CJ went down with a whimper, no news coverage, no public outrage, no deer in the headlight walk by Alex Waldrop in front of TV cameras and the Congress to proclaim that our race horses are our number one priority. No one cares because the horse was worth 30 cents a pound because it couldn’t even keep up with others bottom claimers, because his name wasn’t Eight Belles and because his horrible demise happened at a bush track and not on national TV.

    Were all those involved with CJ’s fatal race formally questioned about his physical condition prior to post, drugs given and the lengthy icing of both front legs which he later busted? Was a necropsy performed? Were CJ’s medical history and vet records collected and carefully examined? Were owner, trainer, groom, exercise rider, private and official vets interrogated in order to fill holes in the safety net of that racetrack? DID ANYONE CARE?

    If CJ had been found to have been already injured before his last race but raced anyway, would one or more enablers be sued for endangering the life of the jockey, for breaking his back, for animal cruelty, defrauding the betting public and further damaging the reputation of horse racing?

    A quote posted yesterday in a thread discussing the various delinquencies of AZ racing: “IF they were ever to convene a Federal Grand Jury, and bring witnesses in, who IF they LIED, would go to prison, the whole story would come out. There would be indictments and convictions. It would INSTANTLY change the game.”

    Setting a precedent in court and the threat of jail would quickly clean-up the game. As Travis Tygart said in front of the Congress last year: “A sport cannot police itself.” Racing welcomes miscreants and has attracted more of them. Owners who do business with cheating trainers are just as rotten. Water seeks its own level.

    A central racing agency should be a privately run, non-profit organization to replace state racing commissions and should have the full support of Congress and the FBI on speed-dial to disinfect racing and keep it on the straight and narrow. This would help attract, retain and reward honorable owners and trainers.

    Cheating pays, it’s contagious and the rewards are worth the risks. The good guys are going out of business or are forced to do things they would rather not do to keep a few horses.

  • New Jersey Jake

    Why doesn’t that radio guy Steve Byk ask Doc Allday about Pat Byrne or some of the other amazin’ trainers Allday’s worked with. They didn’t do so well when he left town. Isn’t Allday a sponsor of the show?

  • Joe

    NJJ: Steve Allday sounded like a regular caller and friend of the hosts including John DaSilva.

  • Lisa

    I am from Midway Ky, but spend my winters as an outrider at Gulfstream Park. In the case of Todd Pletcher, He wins races because he’s a dedicated horseman. I see him at the rail in the first set and in the paddock at the last race. it’s ludicrouse to suggest that a trainer cheats because his percentages fluctuate in different years. Get a clue. BTW, i have never worked for Pletcher in any way. I have never replied on here either, but that comment was too stupid to ignore!

  • http://www.teamvalor.com Barry Irwin

    Lisa…how can you see really early in the morning on the track with those rose-colored glasses on! (Just kidding, of course).

    Pletcher is in a class by himself in terms of organization.

  • js444

    How about the 89 year old Trainer ( retired Kentucky state Racing Commissioner and former Jockey Guild Finicial adviser ( When guild was in black) Was refused 2 stalls at calder and Barred for life, only had 1 postive for naproxin . His first fine ever since beening in the Racing indrustry since 1941 . His only owner has law suit against FHBPA and Calder . Owner is also barred for Life with no ruling never charged with anything not allowed on grounds and she owns 10 horses.

  • Jeremy Jet

    Barry –

    Presumably you believe that Bonds and Sosa (etc.) are innocent as well.

    What a joke.

  • Michael Bray

    js444,

    Believe me I know what you mean and feel for that trainer and owner. I have a similar story about FHBPA, the Florida Division of Pari-Mutual Wagering including Chief Attorney Joseph M. Helton Jr (at that time), Calder, Tampa and all other racing. It would take too long here but I would more than happy to share if asked. I’ve been in the racing business a long, long time and it’s a shame to not be involved now.

  • Ray Paulick

    Jeremy Jet….

    Barry Irwin doesn’t need anyone defending him, but I’m going to anyway. No one I have known in racing has been more vocal about wanting to stop the cheaters than Barry. He has pushed for reforms that would help clean up the sport to the point that I find it almost laughable that he would hire a trainer who is cheating.

    I don’t agree with Barry on a lot of things, but I think we both want to see horses decide races, not veterinarians or drugs.

  • Surfer Joe

    Todd Pletcher is a good trainer that doesn’t need to cheat. He just doesn’t have the livestock like he used too. Most of the big cheaters are in Ca. They are easy to find. You can usually find them in the detention milkshake barn. Owners that use these guys are just as guilty. Owners with integrity don’t use trainers like these.

  • Jeremy Jet

    Ray –

    I have echoed and supported many of Barry’s comments relating to a number of issues, and appreciate that he speaks out on controversial topics. But if you believe that Pletcher wasn’t a major cheater for a number of years because Barry has employed him, then your naïveté is astounding.

    I do not know of a single serious observer of the game who believes that Pletcher wasn’t cheating, as the circumstantial evidence is overwhelming. Furthermore, I know personally that horses of his have tested positive for EPO when switched to other trainers.

    Do I really need to point out that Alday is a damning common denominator? Do you think that it was a coincidence that horses of Pletcher’s were mysteriously dying at Saratoga during the heyday of his collaboration with Alday? Do you have any explanation (other than the obvious one) for how and why his horses stopped running like drugged horses during the fall of ’07, and have NEVER returned to their former patterns?

    I can’t believe that you are actually that naïve.

  • rwwupl

    Thank you Ray,for being a vioce of reason. I agree with you on Barry Irwin.

    I wish there were more like him. Who ever speaks up has to be prepared for anything.

    I think Barry can handle it, even with a 53% accuracy.

    rwwupl

  • Jeremy Jet

    Furthermore, the notion that “Owners with integrity don’t use trainers like these” is laughable on its face. There are countless examples of owners who publicly claim to be concerned about cheating, then give their runners to the trainers with the highest win percentages.

    That correlation is sheer fantasy.

  • Jeremy Jet

    Just to be completely clear, I am not claiming that Pletcher is currently cheating, as there is no evidence to suggest that he is.

  • Michael Bray

    “Jeremy Jet Says

    Furthermore, the notion that “Owners with integrity don’t use trainers like these” is laughable on its face. There are countless examples of owners who publicly claim to be concerned about cheating, then give their runners to the trainers with the highest win percentages.

    That correlation is sheer fantasy.”

    I agree with that statement. I have held a trainers license since 1974 and have dealt with many, many owners. What they say in public and what they actually do and say to their trainers is two different positions. I think Barry is good for racing and his voice should be heard however we all need to step up to the plate and now is a good time as any. Drug free racing is due. The cheaters need to be exposed and eliminated. Starting at the top. It should start with the owners first. But, what about the almighty buck? That is for owners to answer.

  • Aunt Bea

    Okay, because I could never stand sitting on the sidelines: JeremyJet, you are aware of many rumors, which makes you dangerous and completely certifiable!

  • Jeremy Jet

    Aunt Bea –

    You might want to stick to Mayberry gossip, as not a single thing that I have mentioned on this thread is a “rumor”.

  • Aunt Bea

    Ok, Mr. Jeremy, then what does TAP use to “cheat”, as you so blithely keep repeating? Also, please inform us racetrackers who have been hoodwinked by TAP for years how you got so close to his methods that you know more than we do? Please name substances, time of administration, collaborators, etc. We’re all anxiously awaiting your response, so please be so kind as to be prompt.

  • Jeremy Jet

    That’s interesting, Bea, I didn’t realize that they had straw men in Mayberry.

    Furthermore, you used the present tense, so you obviously haven’t even read my previous posts carefully.

  • Aunt Bea

    Funny, Mr. Jeremy, that’s exactly the response I expected from you.

  • Big Dreams

    There is alot of passion on this message board. As a horse owner in South Florida I have seen the rise of Kirk Ziadie. The drug aspect has been the talk of racing down here for the last several years. Ask yourself why there has not been a peep about this in the Daily Racing Form. Mike Welsh who covers the area does not want to rock the boat where Raph Ziadie still trains. As a fan of the game when I see a trainer like Marty Wolfson take horses from Todd Pletcher and Bill Mott and do remarkable things is it wrong to ask the question what did he do that the other so-called super tainers did not do. Oh yeah I forgot he put the correct size shoes on the horses was the response that we got.

    I respect Barry Irwin for his program that he has put together at Team Valor because in this day in age of finding owners who want to get into the game is getting tougher with each pasing day. We as owners want to see a level playing field but at the end of the day we want to have fun and to have the ability to stay in the game without losing our entire investment. As an owner its tough not to look at the trainer standings and see who the trainers our who we suspect our cheating. Most of the cheating is in the claiming game from what i can see and that comprises 75% of the game. Fix the horse off a poor record trainer and make them look silly and make money and dump the horse on a non juice trainer and watch them go to the bottom of the claiming ladder. That is what I see across the country.

    At the end of the day if you win enough to stay in the game and you take care of your horses after there careers our over what more can people want.

  • Jeremy Jet

    Really, Bea? You expected me to point out that you had constructed a classic straw man argument? I’d be much more impressed if you actually attempted to argue the points that I have made.

  • Aunt Bea

    Thanks for writing, Big Dreams, our game needs all who love the horse, not trying to destroy the people around them.

  • Erich Weiss

    Jeremy Jet for President!

    The notion that because you are a dedicated horseman, and you get up early and stay late that you are entitled to a high win percentage is a load of garbage. Todd Pletcher has dozens of horses he never even sees on a daily basis. Organizationally he has a great operation, thats it, he’s no genius. He has great stock, good assistants that and keep their mouth shut, and some incredible juice (or at least he did).

    A comment on an earlier post about the nature of TP’s horses and their running characteristics describes exactly what Dutrow and Zaidie’s horses do, the unleash this half mile charge and at the point where the horse should get tired, they reengage and win the race. Time and time again.

    A regular Tampa trainer told me Zaidie had 7 horses that either broke down, or were vanned off after winning races this year, if that’s even half right that is truly scary deal.

    A final tidbit, if you want a good laugh, look at the Mountaineer trainer standings. There are 30% trainers everywhere there, some 50%. Guys that are 3% lifetime are all of a sudden 30% overnight. I dare say if Kirk Zaidie moved to Chester WV, he would never lose another race and never get another positive.

  • Joe

    http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/51608/kirk-ziadie-appealing-60-day-florida-ban?source=rss

    Extra juicy quotes from Ziadie the Victim, the juiced one is at the bottom:

    “Ziadie appealed the ruling to the First District Court of Appeal in Tallahassee. The court is reviewing the appeal, and has put a stay on the 60 calendar-day suspension until after it completes that review.

    Thus, it is almost certain that Ziadie will be able to saddle horses at Calder Race Course on July 11. He has entries in four races that day, including two of the graded stakes on Calder’s Summit of Speed card.

    Ziadie, 40, has won four training titles at Calder meets and one at Tampa Bay Downs, all since 2006.

    “When you are on top, everyone wants to see you fall,” he said on July 9 when asked about the heavy suspension.

    Ziadie has 15 Calder wins this year through July 9, and is third in the track’s trainer standings.

    The Pari-Mutuel division’s Web site shows him with 14 fines and/or reprimands for medication violations since the start of 2008. None of the other trainers among Calder’s top 10 in wins this year have more than five of those violations during that period.

    “We abide by all the rules on medications,” Ziadie said. “I am not not sure why they (violations) keep coming up. Maybe some have been from carelessness or misjudgments (by his employees).””

  • flyonthewall

    The truth of the matter is that Kirk–and believe me, I’m no fan of him or his father–is just negotiating the system to his advantage. If there are no real consequences for breaking the rules, where is the incentive not to do so? The true abomination is the Florida Division of PariMutuel Wagering. Kirk might not be the brightest light in the barn by any means, but he has found the right pond to swim in. An anabolic steroid violation in Florida results in (sit down now) a $250 fine. That’s right. Anywhere else it’s a fine, purse redistribution and trainer suspension. Florida, $250 in small unmarked bills. Not only has the FL DPMW established the cost of doing business, discount shoppers can celebrate. Glycopyrrolate positives– indicative of a race day injection and violation of the 24 hour medication rule, thus demonstrating intent to break a rule–are adjudicated with a $1500.00 fine. No suspension. No purse redistribution. So you weigh the cost of the fine with the potential earnings in that race. It isn’t a crap shoot, it’s a calculated risk-benefit analysis. (Maybe that’s where the accountant comes in!)

    The medication rule was written years ago by trainers and veterinarians, so the laboratory is required to use insensitive and outdated testing methods. It boggles the mind to think what they would be finding if they were allowed to test Florida’s samples the way they are required to in other racing states. Instead, the lab is expected to hold a blood sample up to a light bulb and see if they can see any molecules. Not surprisingly, there aren’t many positives generated. Imagine what Kirk’s numbers would be if real testing were performed.

    So 30 violations in a 6 year period and he’s still in business. Don’t blame him. Blame the guys who let him.

  • Jo Anne

    Doesn’t anyone think it strange that the much publicized appointment of clean up czar,Tommy Thompson, to head the NTRA’s Safety and Integrity Alliance Committee has not commented here to ease all these concerns? They were quick to proclaim to the world and to Congress that they are in charge and they can police racing without outside interference. From The Blood-Horse, posted last 10-15-08: “The National Thoroughbred Racing Association officially unveiled a series of equine health and safety reforms October 15 that will be overseen by an independent monitor”.

    Their inaction and silence is deafening. Congressional oversight now! It’s fundamentally clear that the racing industry cannot police itself. Please, do not even think that each state can do this! That’s the current problem — all the separate state racing commissions do or do not do whatever they please and who do you report them to? I know of instances where reports were called into the racing commission about horses racing with fractures and they did nothing — not even a hands on lameness exam with the excuse they have no funds! Gee, I’m short of funds this year, maybe I won’t pay my state taxes.

    Also whoever suggested involving the FBI, hurray! Let’s end this lawlessness. FBI investigations with criminal penalties for fixing races in violation of the Interstate Horseracing Act for trainers, owners, and those that supply the drugs –dare I say the veterinarians? Of course, more severe criminal penalties when injury and deaths occur because of illegal substances. This must include the corticosteriod joint injections that veterinarians knowingly and greedily inject into horses that would otherwise never pass a lameness exam because trainers request them and owners willingly pay for them. No more inject and run which is blatant in claiming races across the country. Bettors are deceived, the field is far from fair, jockeys are at risk and horses are dying in the dirt but because they are not seen on national TV, they never make the news (just as someone commented above). And all the while, the industry feigns its ability to be able to count training or racing injuries or deaths so that the public can even know this figure. Maybe they just can’t count that high.

  • Mary Overman

    Joe – Re your comment #66. Thank you for writing about Cincinnati Jay, whose owner and trainer at the time of his breakdown was Rubin Leyba. I am in the process of filing a complaint about this situation with the Arizona Department of Racing in an effort to have an investigation started. I will also make sure that Mike Ziegler, Executive Director of the Welfare and Safety Alliance, knows about it. I have no idea what difference it may make, but many more people will know about Cincinnati Jay than do now – and hopefully more facts about his situation can come to light.

  • Tiznowbaby

    Flyonthewall,
    I will play devil’s advocate.
    The incentive for not juicing your horses would be being able to look at yourself in the mirror each morning and know that you are doing your best to live an honorable life; and to know that you are not potentially harmful substances into living, breathing animals who cannot object.

  • Joe

    Mary, thank you! Based on what I read, CJ was killed while racing at Arapahoe, Colorado.

  • Mary Overman

    Joe – you are correct. I typed Arizona – meant Colorado … a (b)rain delay!

  • Bob Hope

    Beware the summer madness ! Most of you see more rules at your local golf courses than you do in horseracing. More than 100 alphabet groups skim off more than three quarters of a billion dollars from handle a year and can’t solve a single problem nor afford to print a rule book that’s available to its constituents. Do we think that Ziadie has ever seen a rule book?
    Mr. Irwin’s quick fix would founder under the appointment of slot managers to CEO and other sundry official positions by racetracks and the condition would only worsen. California was subjected to more corruption and misdeeds in memory until recently when they decided to clean house.
    RCI is not a regulatory board any more than the BC which recently announced that it was making up and enforcing its own set of illegal rules. These people are preposterous ! Who hit them in the ass with a proclamation for governance ?
    We have a lot of work to do to rid ourselves of those who are gaming the system. But we have no leaders; no system; and little understanding of how it should work. Our racing has become a magnet for classless violators from here and abroad! American horseracing hierarchy has become the tower of Babel embarking on a ship of fools.

  • dray33

    Bob Hope for Czar. Bravo.

  • ReelChaos

    Are ya’ll nuts? Look up Ziadie’s horses and tell me what other trainer has 7,8,9 AND 10 year olds still running and running great. If he was mistreating and drugging his horses like ya’ll seem to think they wouldn’t last. All athletes use medications for aches and pains just like any good horsemen will take care of his horses. If he was using medications to make the horses run above their ability they wouldn’t still be racing.

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