WITH SIRES, GRASS IS SELDOM GREENER

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By Ray Paulick
Based on comments from trainer John Oxx, there seems little doubt that Sea the Stars, who ran his consecutive Group 1 win streak to six with a victory in Sunday’s Qatar Prix de l’Arc de Triomphe at Longchamp, will be retired to stud for the 2010 breeding season. There has been no indication, however, that 27-year-old Christopher Tsui, owner of this racing superstar, has had serious discussions with any specific stallion station in Europe or the United States. Bloodstock experts peg the colt’s value at stud in excess of $50 million, even in the currently depressed market.


Thirty or more years ago a horse like Sea the Stars would almost certainly stand in Kentucky. That’s where the money was for major stallion syndications, and it was home to the world’s finest broodmares, giving a stallion prospect the best chance possible to succeed at stud. John Galbreath brought Roberto home to his Darby Dan Farm in Kentucky after the son of Hail to Reason raced to glory in the United Kingdom. Nijinsky II, a son of the great Northern Dancer, was retired to Claiborne Farm following his outstanding career in Europe carrying Charles Engelhard’s colors. John Gaines populated his stallion roster at Gainesway Farm with a number of top Europeans runners.


Times have changed. Like those horses mentioned above, Sea the Stars has raced exclusively on grass, and American breeders in the present era have shown an aversion to breeding to turf horses, no matter how accomplished they were on the racetrack. There are a few exceptions, among them Kingmambo at Lane’s End, Dynaformer at Three Chimneys, and Giant’s Causeway at Coolmore’s Ashford Stud. In addition, European sire power has skyrocketed, particularly at John Magnier’s Coolmore Stud in Ireland and Sheikh Mohammed’s Darley divisions at Kildangan Stud in Ireland and Dalham Hall Stud in England. European breeders have upgraded the quality of their broodmare bands to match this increased sire power.


“There is a prejudice here against grass horses,” said Barry Irwin of Team Valor. “The Keeneland sales have dictated what kind of stallions are accepted. I’ve got three mares I’m selling in Europe next year, but there’s nothing we can breed to here. The good thinkers like John Gaines have been replaced by guys who don’t have the same scope.”


That begs the question of whether a horse like Roberto or Nijinsky II would succeed in the United States in the current climate, and if contemporary American breeders would support Sea the Stars. Will Farish, owner of Lane’s End, thinks the answer to both questions is “yes.”


“I think Roberto and Nijinsky would succeed today if they got the support,” Farish told the Paulick Report, “though there are fewer people breeding for the classics now. Breeders over here have tended to have much more luck with our mile and mile and an eighth sires. They are the ones in most demand.”


Farish said he believes American breeders would support Sea the Stars even though “it’s been much harder to get people to breed to a grass horse.” He cited Giant’s Causeway as an example of a top-class European turf horse who has been well supported in the United States, though the son of Storm Cat is out of an American Graded Stakes-winning mare and showed good dirt form when narrowly beaten by Tiznow in the 2000 Breeders’ Cup Classic at Churchill Downs. “With his outstanding race record and that pedigree (by Darley’s leading sire Cape Cross out of Arc de Triomphe winner Urban Sea, who produced Epsom Derby winner and top sire Galileo) I would think you could stand Sea the Stars anywhere and he would get tremendous support,” Farish said.


Headley Bell of Mill Ridge Farm in Kentucky concurs. “He’s exceptional in that same kind of category (as Nijinsky II and Roberto). He’s an extraordinary horse, and the cream of Thoroughbred breeders around the world would want to breed to him,” Bell said. “You could make 40 phone calls and sell him out (for syndication as a stallion).”


The Irish National Stud has been the only farm mentioned as a leading candidate to land Sea the Stars, and that’s because of an existing relationship with the horse’s owner. Urban Sea, dam of Sea the Stars, was kept there until her death earlier this year. “They’ve done an incredible job of making stallions,”  Bell said of the National Stud. “John Oxx is such a class person. I would think they would lean in that direction.”


Standing Sea the Stars in the U.S. would seem to be a longshot at this stage. The increased size of stallion books and the emphasis on commercial breeding has contributed to the squeezing out of turf sires in the U.S.


“Grass horses haven’t been very popular the last 10 or 15 years,” said one breeder who asked not to be named. “Maybe breeders will start breeding for the winner’s circle instead of the sales ring.”


“Commercial breeders have hit a bubble,” said Thomas Gaines, son of the Gainesway Farm founder who co-owns Gaines-Gentry Thoroughbreds. “We’ve grown the commercial breeding part of the marketplace more than we’ve grown the number of people who show up and buy yearlings. Commercial breeding is contracting now because there are not enough people to buy the horses. Supply and demand has to recalibrate.”


Gaines said one mark of a stallion’s success today is “when the breed-to -race people start breeding to them, and half or more of a stallion’s book consists of people breeding to race. There are still a lot of those people out there, and they’ll support a horse like Sea the Stars. If he stood at a farm in Kentucky, you’d also have a lot of Europeans sending their mares here. That’s how it was in the 1980s.”


Bernie Sams of Claiborne Farm isn’t so sure. “Grass horses are a hard sell whether they ran overseas or here,” said Sams. “I wonder how many grass-type mares are left in Central Kentucky. Look at those races run over the weekend in France and England; Europeans are breeding to European stallions.”


It’s not just the bias against grass horses that adds to the challenge of making a stallion, said Sams, it’s getting a competitively sized book of mares. “How would you do with a horse like Danzig nowadays?” he asked of Claiborne’s late three-time leading stallion who went to stud off just three races, none in stakes. “Because of book size, if you had to get a horse like him started, it would be tough. Book sizes have hurt to an extent.”


Clifford Barry of Pin Oak Stud agrees. “Trying to get 150 mares to a horse is the biggest difference between now and 20 years ago,” he said. “But if you’ve spent a lot of money on a stallion prospect, you’ve got to try and recoup that cash. And there’s going to be some guys that aren’t going to recoup that money.

“It’s a tough market, and it’s been a tough market. It’s been an uphill struggle to maintain a top-class grass horse like Sky Classic (who stands at Pin Oak) here in Central Kentucky. Our game is driven so much by the commercial market, and the ones who sell well are not always the horses with the highest percentage of stakes winners.”


As for Sea the Stars, Barry sees only a few farms in the U.S. or Europe that have access to the money and the best mares that a top stallion prospect deserves. “The pool of mares is so important,” he said.

“This horse is one of the best 3-year-olds Europe has seen in 20 years or more. Every time they have asked him a question, he’s answered them, and he’s been managed impeccably by John Oxx. I don’t care where he stands, he will be a serious kind of stallion prospect.”


If he were to stand in the U.S., what about that bias against grass horses?


“He’s got a different kind of gene,” Barry said. “He’s great, not grass.”

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  • Freespirit

    Love that comment by Barry – “He’s great, not grass.”

  • Paula

    I am appalled to even see the number 150 in regards to the size of any stallion’s book, but know that it does happen… far too often. Kind of a vulgar number.

    Why don’t we value grass racing? I never saw that addressed in this commentary, not really by anyone. Did we give up breeding grass horses in the U.S. because we decided sprint distances and speed were easier to breed? I have never understood the huge weight of dirt v turf.

  • Richard Coreno

    The way that quality bloodlines have been shipped overseas for the fast buck over the years, maybe it’s time to reverse the process that has caused its own set of problems for an industry in crisis.

  • Dinosaur

    The biggest problem we created was Market breeding. Until we get rid of the greedy market breeders who bred strictly for high priced yearlings, the breed is doomed. If we go back to 50-70 mare books (MAX) and pay attention to breeding instead of flashy catalog pages, maybe we can salvage the stupidity of the last 20 years.

    I wish I never had to see another dumb stallion ad telling me that some unproven, expensive stallion is among the leading sires at Keeneland or F-T. Until they hit the racetrack, he’s nothing but a good racehorse and unproven stallion. Let’s get real people!

    As for quality horses we’re too dumb to support in this country, If we wrote varying grass and distance races around the country, we might just be able to give our grass and distance horses a place to stay, instead of watching them go to Europe, Japan and Australia, to become big there.

  • steve jackson

    We have skirted the issue here. How many times have we heard that “this and that European agent were not at the sale”? We had the Dansigs, Lyphards, Blushing Grooms, Nijinskis, Northern Dancers, Caros and on and on but they are well gone. If you are racing on grass or if the major races are on grass, what attraction do we currently have for agents or owners that are trying to find a turf horse?

    Try the exercise of mating a champion mare to horse here trying to produce a horse that will be competitive on the grass at the highest level. Do some calculations on the average race distance here, about half as far as they need to go. Then try to get a horse in a turf race here and see how many are on the also eligible list. The idea of balance, soundness and stamina went the way of the great turf sires we once had but no longer have.

  • JR

    Because of the uncertainty of synthetic tracks and the rate of injury, we have decided to change our stable to grass style horses. We purchased our yearlings at Keeneland with that in mind. It is difficult to find enough races for grass horses as the racing secretaries write so many sprint races on synthetics and horses are limited to only training on grass if entered. It would be a welcome change to the industry if we had more grass races, however, there are more important issues at hand trying to keep the industry alive right now.

  • Thehorses

    Some horses are versatile and do well on both dirt and turf. Robyn Dancer set a New World Record for 7.5 fuilongs in 91 and he won on both dirt and turf. He has offspring who have inherited his versatility and run well on both. Can Sea The Stars show that kind of versatility? Robyn Dancer had 9 stakes winners from 49 foals in his 2nd crop but was never given the opportunity that some other stallions have had. He has higher median earnings than Giants Causeway,Street Cry,and others. A lot of KY stallions do not look so wonderful after somebody checks the statistical summaries. Great racehorses are not always the greatest sires. Mr.Prospector never won a grades stakes but he became a much greater sire than the many stallions who did. Not only does he have great sons and grandsons but his daughters have produced more stakes winners than any other stallion. A stallions value should be judged after he has proven to be a good sire. Many stallion share owners have watched the value of their share drop after that G1 winner turns out lessthan wonderful at stud.

  • Jeremy Jet

    Yes, Robyn Dancer is the first stallion that springs to mind when contemplating Sea The Stars’ future…

    and he is also somehow better than Giants Causeway, Street Cry, etc.

    Just a minute…

    sorry, I had to recover from the cramp due to the uncontrollable laughter.

  • Tiznowbaby

    Cape Cross has thrown some excellent horses, but has he been a sire of sires? Because of Urban Sea, I have a suspicion that Sea The Stars will eventually shine as a broodmare sire. It will be his daughters that carry the torch.
    I don’t think his soundness and ability would be as appreciated here as it will be in Europe. It will be interesting to see where he lands. If he goes to Kildangan Stud, he won’t see any Coolmore mares, and if he goes to Coolmore, he won’t see any Darley mares. Either situation woouldn’t set him up for success.

  • FunnyCideOver

    He certainly has the potential to be a great stallion, but I would have to take exception with Tiznowbaby noting this colt’s soundness. He is retiring after only 9 starts and one full season of racing, on a surface far more kind than our dirt surfaces. He may tick off many boxes, but longevity isn’t one of them.

    I’d not like seeing the horse stand in the U.S. for a very simple reason — he is Europe’s treasure, not ours, and he belongs with them. They would rightly be livid if we took him away from them.

  • Tiznowbaby

    I’ll take my chances on soundness on a horse that does not race on steroids, bute or lasix and wins six grade 1′s in six months.

  • geep

    The Europeans with their turf horses are begining to eat our lunch. I think we are getting more grass raceshere….at least at the top. count the grass races on the Saturday Lexington Thoroughbred week recap program. Grass racing is beautiful to watch. We need more grass and less everything else.

  • FourCats

    I don’t really think that there is a prejudice against grass horses. The problem is that it is very hard for a grass horse to earn any purse money. There are few grass races written (relative to dirt), and they almost always draw huge fields (with many also eligibles). In addition, if you get a drop of rain, the race is pulled off the grass. Furthermore, at my local track, the purses for the grass races are set significantly lower than dirt races of the same class. On top of all that, no grass races are written in the winter unless you are racing in a warm-weather climate.

    Grass racing would excel if more races were written for them, and the turf courses were designed to handle rain without being taken off. In other words, if the racetracks had turf courses like in Europe.

  • Al

    Grass racing is by far the most competative in terms of number of horses that can win a certain heat. Racetracks in America, for the most part, do not have the equipment, knowledge or passion required to take care of a world class turf course. Until this changes, we grass racing loyalists, are stuck with our few chances to race what are perhaps the best bred horses in the world.

  • Noelle

    Tiznowbaby has it right about the drugs. Sea The Stars is a spectacular horse. After several years reading about American racing’s ongoing romance with drugs, during which time the only move in the direction of sanity has been a partial steroids ban in “most” racing jurisdictions – it looks to me like Sea The Stars is fortunate to have raced in Europe, far away from American veterinary medicine.

    Did anyone see Joe Drape’s NY Times piece on the I Want Revenge lawsuit? The horse was used like a pincushion, all of it legal, and all of it typical of the widespread over-medication of America’s race horses.

    Instead of asking whether Sea The Stars could succeed here, the question ought to be – why would Sea The Stars’ connections want to send him (and his posterity) into this environment?

  • Tiznowbaby

    Noelle, I read the article and it makes me sick.

  • Thehorses

    I stated facts in my post not opinions. Go to http://usa.stallionring.com and check out the facts. Robyn Dancer beats some KY stallions not only on median earnings but average earnings,percentage of winners to runners,winners to foals,starts to runners and he has sired Graded stakes winners and track record setters. There are far fewer horses who have set world records than there are Graded stakes winners. Try telling the person who got $3K for a Giant’s Causeway yearling how great he is or all the people who have been disappointed by his low percentage of winners to foals. Street Cry’s is even lower. Maybe you would like to laugh at all the breeders who lost huge sums breeding to high stud fee KY stallions. Just look at the Keeneland results. Not one of Smarty Jones yearlings sold as high as his $100K stud fee. Three Street Cry’s went for only $17K. One of Awesome Again’s got no bid and his son Ghostzapper had one sell for $4,500.

  • wesly

    The majority of shots that IWR received were antibiotic shots. Are there no infections or sickness in European horses?

  • Noelle

    Wesly – Did he have an infection? For a month? There was also ongoing treatment with painkillers, anti-inflammatories, diuretics, gastrointestinal medications, hormones, vitamins – I don’t have time to look all of them up, but there was a helluva lot more than just antibiotics. Talk about a chemical horse.

    I Want Revenge was a 3 year old horse nearing the peak of his physical potential – maybe akin to a human college athlete. If he was so “sick” throughout the entire month before the Derby to have “needed” all those drugs, he should have been scratched long before the morning of the race. But it looks to me like the idea was to get him ready for the race with whatever combination of drugs might work, regardless of side-effects or long term consequences.

    The public doesn’t usually have the opportunity of seeing the vet bills of “healthy” horses. Indeed the Times quotes Dr. Northrop, IWR’s vet, as opposing disclosure and I can only assume that he opposes disclosure because IWR’s list is not unusual.

  • wesly

    Noelle
    What possible advantage is there to giving antibiotics except fighting infection?
    And are you condemn trainers for treating their horses with vitamins, amino acids and gastrointestinal treatments? Do you really understand what you are talking about?
    Are you some kind of spiritual healer? The idea was that they had a once in a lifetime opportunity to win the KY Derby and unfortunately the horse wound up having a nasty infection and getting hurt.
    He was scratched, obviously not healthy.

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