The PETA Distortion: How Luck’s Cancellation Was Far from Ethical

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Nothing is going to bring back the HBO series LUCK after the decision by producers last week to stop production on the second season and effectively cancel the series after season one. And nothing is going to bring back the three ex-racehorses who had found second careers as equine actors on LUCK but that suffered unusual, sad deaths. Those deaths – one in 2010, another in 2011, and the most recent one week ago – led HBO to cancel the series, though speculation is rife that declining viewership during season one was the real reason the plug was pulled on the horse racing series written by Thoroughbred owner David Milch and filmed at Santa Anita Park under the direction of Michael Mann.

Despite the finality of what happened, I can’t in good conscience allow the radical animal rights group PETA – and the journalists who faithfully report whatever the agenda-driven organization tells them – to have the last word on the circumstances surrounding the deaths of the three horses over the two-year period that LUCK was being filmed.

Known as People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, PETA was anything but ethical in how it spread lies about the equine accidents that plagued LUCK.


PETA spoon-fed stories to sympathetic reporters like Vickery Eckhoff, who wrote a damning article based on lies or wildly off-base assumptions from a PETA press release for Forbes.com (“LUCK Ran Old, Unfit, Drugged Horses, Says Necropsy Report”). Others picked up on the same story, and it wasn’t until the news cycle was several days old that PETA’s outrageous claims of LUCK using unfit, sore, drugged horses was brought into question by anyone.

By then, however, the lies had been repeated often enough that people believed them.

That’s the way PETA operates, to get ahead of stories and promote their agenda through a sympathetic media with lies or assumptions and unnamed “whistleblowers” and so-called experts whose names they won’t reveal.

The production of LUCK was supervised by the American Humane Association, whose film and television unit has been overseeing movie and TV sets using animals for more than 70 years. There were two veterinarians involved in examining and caring for the horses, Dr. Heidi Agnic, a racetrack practitioner hired through the AHA and HBO, and an independent veterinarian, Dr. Gary Beck, who has worked for the California Horse Racing Board. The AHA required X-rays of all the horses used in LUCK (there were approximately 45), prohibited the use of any drugs in the horses (including anti-inflammatories and tranquilizers) and conducted random drug testing, and required daily veterinary inspections. They even weighed the horses on a regular basis. Horse racing scenes being filmed were limited to three-eighths of a mile or less. Horses could be used twice a day. Everyone involved in handling the horses was both qualified to do so and licensed by the California Horse Racing Board.

Despite those precautions, as many horse owners and trainers have learned through their own experiences, accidents can and did, unfortunately, happen during the filming of LUCK.

-In May 2010, jockey David Neusch had pulled up a horse, Outlaw Yodeler, that had been in a scene and was jogging him back to the barn. The horse was playfully rooting, or pulling its head up and down, and tripped on its own feet, falling onto its right shoulder. The impact shattered its humerus. Following the accident, Dr. Agnic administered several medications to relieve pain, tranquilize the horse and reduce swelling in the event the injury was treatable. It was not the kind of fracture that can be treated, however, and Outlaw Yodeler was euthanized.

-A year later, during filming of LUCK, a second horse, Marc’s Shadow, suffered a catastrophic fracture of its upper leg bone, or radius. The fracture was so severe that euthanasia was conducted immediately.

-Last week, as a horse was being walked in the stable area by what LUCK writer John Perrotta said was an experienced groom, the horse slipped on a dirt pathway, reared, and fell backwards. It landed on its poll, or soft area on the head where many nerve endings gather. It’s an injury that often punctures the carotid artery, and requires euthanasia.

Dr. Susan Stover, a veterinarian at the University of California-Davis who has been in charge of the horse racing industry’s necropsy program that looks at every fatality at a licensed racetrack in the state, described the two leg fractures as “atypical” among the many she has seen over the years.

“Fractures occur in very consistent locations because they often happen in pre-existing injuries,” Stover told the Paulick Report. “They are like occupational injuries. These two particular fractures are not typical. They would be rare fractures in racehorses.”

The necropsy reports of the first two horses that died were acquired by PETA through Freedom of Information Act requests and leaked to the press. Among the findings were that the horses had some degree of arthritis, which did not surprise Stover.

“I would concur that it is not uncommon to have some arthritis or some lesions in their legs,” she said. “I would imagine that there are racehorses that have very clean joints, but we’re probably not going to see them (in a necropsy).”

The necropsy report for Outlaw Yodeler, the horse that died in 2010, stated the presence of four drugs: Phenylbutazone and Banamine (flunixin), which are non-steroidal anti-inflammatories; Sol-U Delta Cortef, a fast-acting corticosteroid used to combat shock; and the sedative/analgesic Torbugesic (butorphanol).

The drugs were administered by Dr. Agnic to treat the stricken horse, and multiple racetrack veterinarians contacted by the Paulick Report confirmed that combination of drugs would be very typical in treating a horse that had just suffered a severe injury.

But PETA seized on the drug finding in the necropsy report to sell its story to a sympathetic media and for a sensationalized letter to the Los Angeles District Attorney, signed by its in-house attorney, Lindsay Waskey, in which it called for a criminal investigation of Dr. Agnic, writer Milch, and trainer Matthew Chew, who trained the horses used in the filming of LUCK.

“The astonishing array of powerful pharmaceutical drugs administered to Outlaw Yodeler before his injury,” the letter reads, “suggests that Agnic was well aware that he was suffering from severe pain and inflammation and knew, or should have known, that the medication may cause Outlaw Yodeler to have a difficult time being able to recognize and respond to pain that would normally be a signal to a horse to slow down, pull up, or in some way indicated that he is injured.”

This outrageous lie by Waskey is the “smoking gun” that allowed PETA to enlist a sympathetic media, which didn’t know to ask whether it’s possible those drugs were given to the horse after he was injured. Never mind the facts: this lie helped complete the story.

Waskey, when reached at the PETA office in Washington, D.C., refused to talk to the Paulick Report about the letter, specifically what knowledge PETA had that Outlaw Yodeler was given “powerful pharmaceutical drugs” before he was injured.

“I’ll have to have a media person call you,” she said. “I can’t talk to you about it. That’s not the way we do things around here.”

Instead, we received a call from PETA vice president Kathy Guillermo, who said PETA “made the assumption” the drug cocktail was given before the horse was hurt rather than after it suffered the freak injury.

“There is a possibility one of the drugs was given afterwards,” Guillermo said. “The District Attorney or the Pasadena Humane Society would have to find out when everything was administered. But that’s what we were told by the vets we discussed it with. It’s fair to say that’s what we heard. I believe and was advised that the indication on the necropsy report was that the horses were running on those drugs and I believe that to be the case, and I was told that by six people on the set.”

PETA accomplished its mission. It helped end the production of LUCK. It wants to end the use of animals for entertainment.

What becomes of those 45 horses who found second careers is anyone’s guess. It’s not something Guillermo or anyone at PETA cares about. According to its latest IRS Form 990, PETA is an organization that spends $7.5 million on its own salaries each year and less than $1 million supporting animal welfare organizations.

It will move on to its next subject, employ the same tactics, and find a sympathetic media to help carry out its mission. PETA is very good at what it does. Just not very ethical.

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  • Maferwin

    PETA’s way of doing business, i.e., terror, yellowism, extortionistic, and a fanatical sick approach in the name of animals’ welfare, is despicable. It has always been. Nothing new here.
    But as long as they are given a public podium by Hollywood cretins who just want to keep under the lime light, they’ll keep spreading their disgusting form of sensationalistic manure.   

    • Merasmag

       u r a momo(TM)

  • Maferwin

    PETA’s way of doing business, i.e., terror, yellowism, extortionistic, and a fanatical sick approach in the name of animals’ welfare, is despicable. It has always been. Nothing new here.
    But as long as they are given a public podium by Hollywood cretins who just want to keep under the lime light, they’ll keep spreading their disgusting form of sensationalistic manure.   

  • DavidB

    And this, Ray, et al, is why I go first to the Paulick report. Good reporting.

  • DavidB

    And this, Ray, et al, is why I go first to the Paulick report. Good reporting.

  • Hannah

    Great work Ray. Keep the truth coming… The show met it’s fate, perhaps poetic justice since many tbred horsemen I spoke to weren’t impressed with the show. particularly Milch’s choice to slice off and present only the seemiest of racing which including the forever controversial trf.

    • Smittyhorse101

      Hannah, the only thing that Milch did show is the controlling nature and absurdity of the racehorse trainer. the propietary angle these trainers take with the horses supersedes the men and women that pay and own these beautiful creatures. The trainer steal all the glory, make all the money, and when your horse gets hurt they move on with three others to replace the stricken horse. Milch showed an unflattering side of Turo Escalante, or Julio Canani if you will, he would lie, cheat for a chance to hold all the cards. If you don’t think that is a true portrayal of how the backstretch runs you have never owned a horse and had to deal with a trainer.

      • Tbreds23

        Smitty why don’t you simply train your own horses and see how easy it is. Trainers win and they get the glory. They lose they get the blame. Trainers are just like coaches in other sports. You would have to walk a mile in their shoes to have a clue what you are talking about.

        • Lanetwetz

          Unfortunately, there are too many bad apples in the training ranks. These guys (& gals) continue to treat owners as their personal ATM machines, little more than ignorant pigeons to be fleeced for all that they’re worth. Some horsemen, in fact, seem to think that knowing the difference between a fetlock and a pastern places them on a higher societal plain than other beings. Not all, mind you, but far too many.

      • Ljohnson

        You would be dead wrong in assuming that the trainers ‘make all the money’. In fact, you are incorrect in just about every sentence you wrote. It’s a business. It’s hard NOT to fall in love with the horses, almost impossible. But yes, when a horse gets injured you stabilize them and take them to the farm to rehab. Very few trainers can afford to keep a horse in a stall that has no potential to make money. Not saying this is right or wrong, that it’s a business.

  • Hannah

    Great work Ray. Keep the truth coming… The show met it’s fate, perhaps poetic justice since many tbred horsemen I spoke to weren’t impressed with the show. particularly Milch’s choice to slice off and present only the seemiest of racing which including the forever controversial trf.

  • Smittyhorse101

    isn’t this the way of America these days, just look at the presidential race and the campaign of the three stooges, its you can say anything, you can lie, cheat and steal, start wars and no one questions it until its way too late. America has become the land of freedom to say anything to get you money, or elected, or sell the public in any way possible. Rush Limbaugh has proven that point that he can flap his jaws and people follow, America journalism is become stupid and naive and will write anything to get attention. I am disgusted

    • http://twitter.com/degeneratevern Fred the Red

      You post reminds me of that Talking Head album “Stop Making Sense”

  • Smittyhorse101

    isn’t this the way of America these days, just look at the presidential race and the campaign of the three stooges, its you can say anything, you can lie, cheat and steal, start wars and no one questions it until its way too late. America has become the land of freedom to say anything to get you money, or elected, or sell the public in any way possible. Rush Limbaugh has proven that point that he can flap his jaws and people follow, America journalism is become stupid and naive and will write anything to get attention. I am disgusted

  • Smittyhorse101

    Hannah, the only thing that Milch did show is the controlling nature and absurdity of the racehorse trainer. the propietary angle these trainers take with the horses supersedes the men and women that pay and own these beautiful creatures. The trainer steal all the glory, make all the money, and when your horse gets hurt they move on with three others to replace the stricken horse. Milch showed an unflattering side of Turo Escalante, or Julio Canani if you will, he would lie, cheat for a chance to hold all the cards. If you don’t think that is a true portrayal of how the backstretch runs you have never owned a horse and had to deal with a trainer.

  • Fred

    As always, Ray is ahead of the field in finding out the truth. Where are the other industry writers on this? I guess busy tweeting about nothing.

    • Ann Taylor

      Well said, Fred.  C’mon media members – those with clout to make a difference  need to step up here!  Check ranking of “charities” and know that PETA pays themselves first, and handsomely — their animal neglect/abuse is reflected in their personal bank accounts. The PETA kingdom is built on the false pretense that they’re in it for the animals — they are NOT.  (Kudos to you, Ray. I’m one of your forever fans.)

      • Merasmag

        i’m  not sure people should start slinging mud back at petapeople w/o facts
        personally, i worked for greenpeace for years and it is probably worse than peta in fundraising…if not factspinning
        i could win a trillion dollars and would still not give money to either

  • Fred

    As always, Ray is ahead of the field in finding out the truth. Where are the other industry writers on this? I guess busy tweeting about nothing.

  • http://www.facebook.com/ruffian75 Scott Serio

    There are two elements to this, why the show was canceled and what was said by PETA. I don’t think PETA led to the show being stopped. It is a convenient excuse for HBO to use, when, really, the show wasn’t very popular, even with racing fans, and HBO took this opportunity to jump ship. That’s what I think.  If the show had been wildly popular, HBO would have fought PETA and everyone else to the death.

    Now PETA, they are just a horrible organization. Because they technically have no accountability, they just say whatever they want. Who do they answer to? What needs to happen is Dr. Agnic needs to sue PETA. She needs to sue them for priding malicious information without proper vetting (no pun intended) that hurt her professional reputation. Until PETA gets called on the carpet for spreading falsehoods, they will just continue with their unfettered MO of lie first, embellish half-truths second and hide behind “well that’s what we were told” third.

    Guess what…PETA isn’t a media organization. They don’t have shielding laws for their sources. The should have the same accountability. If the drugs were administered to try to save the horse and the horse was clean before hand, shove that back in PETA’s face. Turn the cycle against them.

    • PortTownGirl

       A “clean” racehorse?  You must be joking.  No such thing, from in utero.  Perhaps these horses had been off the track for a very long time.  Freak accidents?  There are conflicting reports on that.  I suppose the ones doing the telling are tailoring them according to their audience.

      • Ronb41

         You miss PortTownGirl do not have any idea about what you are writing about. 

        • PortTownGirl

           I know exactly what I am writing about.

          • LongTimeEconomist

            Then give us the source of those “conflicting reports”.

      • Don Reed

        I’ve read this three times. 

        I still can’t fathom what you’re trying to say.

        If you’d like to elaborate, can we have your sources (names, date written, and where found) on “conflicting reports”?

        If you want to contribute further, who are “the ones doing the telling”?

        That would mean stating the full and legal names of the people that you’re currently quoting as anonymous speakers.

        Otherwise, this is a swamp of nouns and verbs.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000244251848 Glenn Craven

      If HBO decided that PETA’s complaints and the horse deaths were just a convenient opportunity to “jump ship” on a disappointing show, the network did so only a couple of weeks after ordering episodes for an entire Season 2. … So either your assumption is wrong, or somebody at HBO had a serious case of buyer’s remorse not very long at all after making that purchase.

      • Merasmag

        tyvm mr. craven…corporate america will dump a show rather than face a boycott…one day its parents against something, the next its republicans, then peta. maybe the ntra should have sponsored luck.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000244251848 Glenn Craven

          Which, I believe, was my point.

          • Merasmag

            as it was mine 5 days ago…
            just needed to reiterate it 4 the “slow” people

    • peta sucks

       People Eating Tasty Animals: Unethical psychopaths for animals since 1980

  • http://www.facebook.com/ruffian75 Scott Serio

    There are two elements to this, why the show was canceled and what was said by PETA. I don’t think PETA led to the show being stopped. It is a convenient excuse for HBO to use, when, really, the show wasn’t very popular, even with racing fans, and HBO took this opportunity to jump ship. That’s what I think.  If the show had been wildly popular, HBO would have fought PETA and everyone else to the death.

    Now PETA, they are just a horrible organization. Because they technically have no accountability, they just say whatever they want. Who do they answer to? What needs to happen is Dr. Agnic needs to sue PETA. She needs to sue them for priding malicious information without proper vetting (no pun intended) that hurt her professional reputation. Until PETA gets called on the carpet for spreading falsehoods, they will just continue with their unfettered MO of lie first, embellish half-truths second and hide behind “well that’s what we were told” third.

    Guess what…PETA isn’t a media organization. They don’t have shielding laws for their sources. The should have the same accountability. If the drugs were administered to try to save the horse and the horse was clean before hand, shove that back in PETA’s face. Turn the cycle against them.

  • Jazzingchic

    Thank you for your report but unfortunately I am afraid it falls upon deaf ears. I believe we are just beginning to see the start of what PETA has in mind for the racing industry. They are going to eventually going to put the final nail in the coffin of horse racing.
    I hear over and over people talking about how bad the show was for horse racing. Come on people its TV for Christ sakes. How about all the people it employed and the simple fact that the younger generation typically flock to “controversial” events.
    I think it would be a great idea that each member of the groups responsible for the cancellation of the show have to take in or find a suitable home for the horses that were used for the filming. Well we all know that’s not going to happen and I am sure we will see in the headlines soon how the horses were “disposed of” and that will be another check mark in the victory column for PETA. Oh what a vicious circle we live in with the racing industry. :(

    • Merasmag

      if u think this is the beginning ur quite mistaken

      itstheend

  • Jazzingchic

    Thank you for your report but unfortunately I am afraid it falls upon deaf ears. I believe we are just beginning to see the start of what PETA has in mind for the racing industry. They are going to eventually going to put the final nail in the coffin of horse racing.
    I hear over and over people talking about how bad the show was for horse racing. Come on people its TV for Christ sakes. How about all the people it employed and the simple fact that the younger generation typically flock to “controversial” events.
    I think it would be a great idea that each member of the groups responsible for the cancellation of the show have to take in or find a suitable home for the horses that were used for the filming. Well we all know that’s not going to happen and I am sure we will see in the headlines soon how the horses were “disposed of” and that will be another check mark in the victory column for PETA. Oh what a vicious circle we live in with the racing industry. :(

  • Frank L.

    The important item in this
    report is that PETA went to the media , the media who controls the
    thoughts/opinions of this nation — as they do in politics. The
    operative word being “controls”!! PETA is a worthless
    organization, as anyone associated with horses can tell you. They
    “WILL NOT” get involved in local issues, “UNLESS, there is a
    national platform on which they can prey on the uninformed, and
    gather donations (money) for themselves, “themselves”, not horses
    or animals — this LUCK issue is a clear example of how PETA
    operates. PROOF: just go back to the earlier articles of Paulick
    Report on this issue (cancellation of LUCK) and read the comments
    section — uninformed comments based on what the people who
    commented “READ”.

    I have said it before, and
    I WILL say it again — it’s the uninformed media that is bringing
    down horse racing. As with this case involving PETA, other
    organizations with “AGENDAS” go to the media, who writes their
    story biased to the AGENDA driven source (as with PETA), even though
    they do “NOT” understand what is being said, or what they are
    writing. This can be readily seen with many articles appearing on
    Paulick Report. Even Paulick has own “HIS” agenda via placement
    of articles on various subjects. Enough said!!!!!

    • Garrett Redmond

      Right on!

      A couple of other “non-profits” seducing a consensual media are: La Rasa and ACLU.  Neither will touch an item unless it can be put on a nationwide platform.

      Best course of action may be to alert the IRS to reality these Tax-exempt/Non-profits exist solely to provide very comfortable livings for their executives.  Any “charity” that disburses less than 50% of revenue to it’s stated cause should be denied tax-exemption.  I believe such a rule would knock out the majority of organizations now in the racket.

    • Don Reed

      FL, I hate to burst your convenient bubble (impersonating thought), but there is no “media , the media who controls the thoughts/opinions of this nation.”

  • Frank L.

    The important item in this
    report is that PETA went to the media , the media who controls the
    thoughts/opinions of this nation — as they do in politics. The
    operative word being “controls”!! PETA is a worthless
    organization, as anyone associated with horses can tell you. They
    “WILL NOT” get involved in local issues, “UNLESS, there is a
    national platform on which they can prey on the uninformed, and
    gather donations (money) for themselves, “themselves”, not horses
    or animals — this LUCK issue is a clear example of how PETA
    operates. PROOF: just go back to the earlier articles of Paulick
    Report on this issue (cancellation of LUCK) and read the comments
    section — uninformed comments based on what the people who
    commented “READ”.

    I have said it before, and
    I WILL say it again — it’s the uninformed media that is bringing
    down horse racing. As with this case involving PETA, other
    organizations with “AGENDAS” go to the media, who writes their
    story biased to the AGENDA driven source (as with PETA), even though
    they do “NOT” understand what is being said, or what they are
    writing. This can be readily seen with many articles appearing on
    Paulick Report. Even Paulick has own “HIS” agenda via placement
    of articles on various subjects. Enough said!!!!!

  • Ridindirty3

    How tough is this business…….when they can’t even keep the horses sound long enough to make a show about it?

    • Ljohnson

      You’re begging to start a fight here. Apparently you did not READ the article.

  • Ridindirty3

    How tough is this business…….when they can’t even keep the horses sound long enough to make a show about it?

  • Kay A.

    And let us not forget the other unethical organization: HSUS.

    • Wowzers

      At least HSUS doesn’t stand for People Eating Tasty Animals.

  • Kay A.

    And let us not forget the other unethical organization: HSUS.

  • Damon Runyon

    Excellent article. This is what journalism is supposed to be.

    Unfortunately, we live in a world that is press-release driven. Few, if any, journalist have the time, guts, or ability, to question anything.

    Good job, Ray.

  • Damon Runyon

    Excellent article. This is what journalism is supposed to be.

    Unfortunately, we live in a world that is press-release driven. Few, if any, journalist have the time, guts, or ability, to question anything.

    Good job, Ray.

  • CHEWRACING

    Ray, thank you for printing the truth. Dr Agnic and I have been ripped apart by an agenda driven organization that will not let the facts get in the way of there cause.The deaths of our horses is not to be dismissed, but to vilify any body in this is wrong. We had a group of men and women working with these horses that took real pride in there work.We felt like we were a part of something very special. We understood that the success of the show depended on us keeping the horses safe.What happened was some very bad luck. 
    We had the horses examined daily, anyone of 15 people on our team 2 vets and 4 humane officers could pull a horse from the days work no questions asked. We had more than enough horses to do the job and were never under pressure to take chances. We used no drugs in our filming and passed countless random drug tests.We spent hundreds of hours schooling these horses for filming. I have been on the track since I was three days old and have prided myself in the care my horses recieve. My wife donates time and puts on events for rescue  organizations. It’s important to us that the people in our industry know the truth again Thank you for putting it out there.

    • Merasmag

      i am SO glad u posted (whoever u are)
      please carefully read “big red”s post below and “serio”s post above…

      put them together and we get to my conclusion that NTRA should fund a lawsuit against PETA and fight it to the death (hopefully there is no damning evidence that would preclude that)

      might as well go down swinging…

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1527969315 Greg Scherr

         If you took the 2 seconds it takes to read his “name” it says Chewracing, and even though I am sure rocket science is not your field of expertise you could decipher it is Matt Chew that posted.  Your attn. to detail is just above PETA.

        • Merasmag

          my uncle was a rocket scientist
          but he’s just by marriage…
          signed-
          chewme

        • Merasmag

          and i dncare who u r or what a “scherr” is

          mayb u should focus on the point here…do you happen to work for NTRA?
          they can’t see the forest for the trees either

        • Don Reed

          “Merasmag” is French slag - for “Self-mezmerized.”

          Makes sense.

          • Merasmag

            i must maintain radiosilence so as knot2incriminate myself

            but…i am fascinating

          • Merasmag

            and, if i were picky, i’d point out it takes a good speller 2b a bad1

      • MA

        Going by the screename and text, it must be Matt Chew, the lead horse trainer for “Luck.”

        • Merasmag

          yeah, yeah…i get it…i worked the election yesterday and a lady voter had the name “milch”…it took all i had to hold my tongue…

    • JC

       Thank you for the work you did and do.  Hugs and kudos–I wish it had turned out better. 

    • HappyHarriet

       I apologize for thinking that you were exempt from PETA’s nastiness.  I was misinformed.  Earlier I posted how fabulous you and your barn are, and how when I visited last year I wanted to live there and get all that pampering and attention that your horses were getting, including having my feet soaked in epsom salts!  You have an army of horse lovers who also know YOU, and there are way more of US than them, and all of us will make it our business to set the record straight.  Ray Paulick is “go to” source for good reporting!

    • http://www.thesecondrace.com/ Thesecondrace

      Those of us that know you Matt, know that you are one of the good guys and the fall out from the decision of LUCK to cancel their show, is unfortunate and misguided.   I am truly sorry that you have had to go through this mess with PETA and the uninformed public.   Any fool with a computer and a keyboard can be an “authority” and not think twice about what they are doing to others. 

      • stillriledup

        Excellent post, couldnt agree more.

        • Merasmag

          ditto

    • Ken McMeans

      I took the writer of the article on Forbes to task on that website. Writers without knowledge of horses and/or horse racing do not have the ability to assess wrongdoing or even have a basic understanding of the events that transpired. I am positive that the people in the horse racing industry are well aware of your abilities, patience, dedication, passion and love of horses and horse racing. I have known you a long time Matt, over 30 years now and I never questioned that you had done your best to prepare the horses for this series and that they were in good hands. All my best to you my friend.

      • Merasmag

        where were u when i had to argue with her myself on THIS site?

        • Ken McMeans

          Wish I had been here. 

    • Merasmag

      mrchew,
      i just read that u were knot only the 3rd horselet’s(TM) trnr but also OWNER
      my condolences…i am very sorry for your loss

    • WILLIAM L. ANTON

      Matt I know both you and your father Richard, his horsemanship is truly unquestionable.  I also know that (as the expression goes) you were born in the stable.  His ability rubbed off onto you,this mean you also have fine knowledge of good horsemanship.  Only too bad people that don’t know you find out a little prior to posting any comments.  This is where we in the business must have thick skin and absorb all the verbal abuse.  You know what you did and did not do, just hold your head up high and don’t worry about the others. 

    • lillian

      That is the Hollywood Version

  • CHEWRACING

    Ray, thank you for printing the truth. Dr Agnic and I have been ripped apart by an agenda driven organization that will not let the facts get in the way of there cause.The deaths of our horses is not to be dismissed, but to vilify any body in this is wrong. We had a group of men and women working with these horses that took real pride in there work.We felt like we were a part of something very special. We understood that the success of the show depended on us keeping the horses safe.What happened was some very bad luck. 
    We had the horses examined daily, anyone of 15 people on our team 2 vets and 4 humane officers could pull a horse from the days work no questions asked. We had more than enough horses to do the job and were never under pressure to take chances. We used no drugs in our filming and passed countless random drug tests.We spent hundreds of hours schooling these horses for filming. I have been on the track since I was three days old and have prided myself in the care my horses recieve. My wife donates time and puts on events for rescue  organizations. It’s important to us that the people in our industry know the truth again Thank you for putting it out there.

  • JB56

    First of all…LUCK lost most of their audience after that first show.  One of my good Horserace handicapper buds thought it was the worst thing he ever saw……he nicknamed the show……S*#K after that.  I thought the premier was weak also and was very disappointed…I stuck with it and thought it did get better and am still watching.
    As for PETA…..they’re like a bunch of lawyers – there going to come up with anything they can to make a point for their side.  As I tell people who are against racing….they are race horses, thats their purpose to be on this earth.  They are treated royally for the most part, and things are improving for the retired or ones who didnt cut it.  If theres no more racing, then the thorougbred breed eventually dies out and PETA then can move onto berating Parrott owners, Cattle farmers or whatever 

    • JC

       I’m somebody who watched Braveheart and didn’t flinch much, but I agree that that breakdown scene in the first episode was overly graphic and entirely uncalled-for.  No wonder people stopped watching.  As portrayed, they were good to and caring with the horse as she was euthanized, but the whole thing could have been done much more tastefully than that.  I’ve seen, just like everyone here, REAL racing breakdowns(and I’m devastated to see those, too) that didn’t look as bad.  It is true that we don’t know “where” the series would have gone and taken its storylines, but, in ethos, it left a lot to be desired. 

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Barbara-Griffith/1386223362 Barbara Griffith

       The retired ones that didn’t cut it ended up on a plate in a restaurant in Europe in one of these countries, Japan, France, Belgium, Italy and parts of Canada.

      • See-eh

        Get your facts straight Barb. You will not find thoroughbred race horse on any menu in Canada. In fact, Canada probably provides the best home for these older horses and that is the sport of chuckwagon racing (wpca.com & cpcaracing.com). Chuckwagon racing is where these equine athletes are allowed to continue to do what they love to do all while being cared for my competent horsemen.

        • Abbers

          You get your facts straight See-eh! Horse meat including TB is definitely on the menu in some areas of Canada. And as far as chuckwagon racing, don;t even go there. Another abusive and inhumane “sport” that kills.

          • See-eh

            Source? I have lived all across Canada for the past 29 years and have yet to see or hear of horse meat being provided at any restaurant in Canada.

            Further to that, if Chuckwagon racing did not exist quite a few thoroughbreds would be sent to slaughter. To call Chuckwagon racing or any form of thoroughbred racing inhuman is ridiculous. Thoroughbreds are bred to run and if you have spent any amount of time around them you would realize that.

          • Greyfel

            I don’t know what the Canadians are doing with all of that horsemeat that they produce in their horrible slaughterhouses. If THEY aren’t eating it, then they must be exporting it to Belgium and France.
            Also, the chuckwagon racing IS dangerous and hectic and I would rather see TBs run on the track with a jockey than pulling a damn chuckwagon. Anyway you look at it, chuckwagon racing is no picnic for the horses.

          • See-eh

            Are you kidding me? Just because a horse is slaughtered it means that a human has to have consumed it? Get real and if Chuck wagon racing didn’t exist those same horse would end up in a slaughter house not doing what they love to do and prolonging their life another 10 years.

          • Greyfel

            It doesn’t matter whether the horse that is slaughtered is eaten by humans or made into glue, or eaten as dog food or food for zoo animals, it is still slaughter and is a cruel,disgusting and inhumane system. Why don’t you go to the animals angels website and look at the photos that were taken at slaughterhouses of the misery that is inflicted on those poor animals.
             
            Also, the entire transportation system to get them to the slaughterhouse is merciless and a terror filled ride. Can you imagine being blind and shoved into a double decked steel trailer with many other terrified horses? Well, if that doesn’t move you, then there is no hope for you. Blind,old,young and mares in foal and near foaling are all crushed into those hell hole trailers.
            Man, don’t you have any feelings?

            Try even riding in one of those chuckwagons sometime, it is a terrifying trip for the men and the horses. Since you seem to think that the slaughterhouse is the solution to an excess of horses, why don’t you and others like you try to come up with a better solution?

            I am not so stupid that I don’t know that there is an excess of horses that have to be dealt with, but I also know that the slaughterhouse,and the trip to the slaughterhouse, IS NOT THE HUMANE SOLUTION.
            Again, overbreeding and a throw away mentality is the root cause of excess horseflesh.

          • Abbers

            OMG you are such a misinformed moron. They sell horse meat in the supermarkets in Quebec (Metro for example) and have a number of restaurants that serve it. And just this past month there have been protests at a restaurant in Toronto called La Palette. I won’t even dignify adding the links as anyone who knows anything about horse slaughter in Canada is well aware of all of it.

            But if it will stymie your ignorant babble just ask.

            As far as the chuckwagon racing goes, it is a blood bath for the horses. Every year horses die competing in this so-called “sport” at the Calgary Stampede.

            What planet do you hail from?

            Such drivel and nonsense is beyond belief.

          • See-eh

            Abbers it’s hilarious that a stinky ass leftist such as yourself wants to resort to mid slingin. Like honestly how do you look at yourself in the morning you commie pinko? The Calgary Stampede is a much better option for former racehorses than the slaughter house you momo.

          • Abbers

            Look who’s talking about slinging mud…”commie pinko”…lol…..who said anything about the stampede being equivalent to slaughter?  Greyfel has said it all.

        • Greyfel

          Bulls__t.

      • Abbers

        You rock Barbara…..
        j AKA Abbers

  • JB56

    First of all…LUCK lost most of their audience after that first show.  One of my good Horserace handicapper buds thought it was the worst thing he ever saw……he nicknamed the show……S*#K after that.  I thought the premier was weak also and was very disappointed…I stuck with it and thought it did get better and am still watching.
    As for PETA…..they’re like a bunch of lawyers – there going to come up with anything they can to make a point for their side.  As I tell people who are against racing….they are race horses, thats their purpose to be on this earth.  They are treated royally for the most part, and things are improving for the retired or ones who didnt cut it.  If theres no more racing, then the thorougbred breed eventually dies out and PETA then can move onto berating Parrott owners, Cattle farmers or whatever 

  • Big Red

    OK, good post. Now the million question: what are we owners/trainers/breeders/alphabet soup organizations) going to do to improve the negative publicity and promote the positives (which the show did not) of our game.  I’m guessing the same as usual – NOTHING !  If the course remains the same, organizations like PETA will eventually get their way as they have a larger audience than the  P. Report and destroy racing as we know it.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Barbara-Griffith/1386223362 Barbara Griffith

      Stop selling the thoroughbreds that can’t run fast enough to bring in money out the back door to killer buyers that add them to the load of horses they buy at auctions to fill a order for the slaughter plants. This cruelty has went on for years the public has just now become aware of it and the more they find out the more they don’t like it. If you want to see what happens to them at the slaughter plant please take a look at this. 

      http://defendhorsescanada.org/chambersofcarnage.html

      • Greyfel

        Right on Barbara. The cruelty and greed should stop.

  • Big Red

    OK, good post. Now the million question: what are we owners/trainers/breeders/alphabet soup organizations) going to do to improve the negative publicity and promote the positives (which the show did not) of our game.  I’m guessing the same as usual – NOTHING !  If the course remains the same, organizations like PETA will eventually get their way as they have a larger audience than the  P. Report and destroy racing as we know it.

  • Memories of Puchi

    Ray – thank you for the fascinating and revealing article. The in-depth reporting involved is rarely found these days. Reporters prefer to use pre-fed pablum (as you so clearly indicate).
    The most impactful paragraph was, “What becomes of those 45 horses who found second careers is anyone’s guess. It’s not something Guillermo or anyone at PETA cares about. According to its latest IRS Form 990, PETA is an organization that spends $7.5 million on its own salaries each year and less than $1 million supporting animal welfare organizations.”
    Modern technology is a wonderful thing but this is an example of social media being blatently manipulated for extremist agendas. It is sad that PETA preys upon our sympathy for an animal’s plight, but in reality is only padding their own purse account, not caring for the animals at all.
    The Luck debacle only confirms to the general public that racing is a cruel sport, rife with the criminal element. A pity when those of us who work in the industry know how many good people are involved, and how much more the fans could enjoy the sport if only we could share that good information.

  • Memories of Puchi

    Ray – thank you for the fascinating and revealing article. The in-depth reporting involved is rarely found these days. Reporters prefer to use pre-fed pablum (as you so clearly indicate).
    The most impactful paragraph was, “What becomes of those 45 horses who found second careers is anyone’s guess. It’s not something Guillermo or anyone at PETA cares about. According to its latest IRS Form 990, PETA is an organization that spends $7.5 million on its own salaries each year and less than $1 million supporting animal welfare organizations.”
    Modern technology is a wonderful thing but this is an example of social media being blatently manipulated for extremist agendas. It is sad that PETA preys upon our sympathy for an animal’s plight, but in reality is only padding their own purse account, not caring for the animals at all.
    The Luck debacle only confirms to the general public that racing is a cruel sport, rife with the criminal element. A pity when those of us who work in the industry know how many good people are involved, and how much more the fans could enjoy the sport if only we could share that good information.

  • Tbreds23

    Smitty why don’t you simply train your own horses and see how easy it is. Trainers win and they get the glory. They lose they get the blame. Trainers are just like coaches in other sports. You would have to walk a mile in their shoes to have a clue what you are talking about.

  • Ljohnson

    We can dissect and argue all we want about the way Luck was portrayed–and I am right with some of the people in wishing the opening episode didn’t include a tragic breakdown scene (why not get people hooked FIRST with the beauty of racing and the bond with the horses before you cram a fracture down the viewer’s throats? And it’s still amazing to me that sooooo many people think that it REALLY happened, like they planned a fracture! Duh, ever hear of CGI? It’s a TV show people….good lord). However, I’m not the producer or director so it’s not my call.

    I’ve given 35 years of my life loving this industry from the shed row up, and this is NOT going to change my love for it, but be even more saddened that my friends are now unemployed, that PETA has another hand in lies and deceit, that there weren’t enough viewers to warrant HBO enough to fight back. I’m not totally sure that if there were 9 million viewers rather than 1/2 that, if it would have made a different impact or not. Everyone in this industry KNOWS what troubles we’re going through. This was a shot in the dark, that it could/would be accepted. Quite obviously the horsemen and the producers took everything quite seriously and followed or exceeded all humane and intelligent guidelines to no avail. I’m an very sad and pissed off that I won’t get to see this show grow.

    Lisa J
    OKC

    • JB56

      Ljohnson…..the opening show breakdown made my wife stop watching immediately and hasn’t watched since.  Then you could see it coming with the guy’s claim breaking down in Ep7….the only thing they spared us was him getting a corpse – at least the horse lived.  Then you have Nick Nolte who has to keep rehashing with detail how his horses Sire was tortured and killed…..None of this great publicity for racing.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/MyBig-Red/100000980578079 MyBig Red

        I agree with your wife. I watched the first episode & I thought it was awful, showing a horse breakdown in the race. Yes, it is sad, sometimes horses breakdown, but did they have to include that? I thought the show was trashy…..
        I LOVED the show, “Jockeys” on Animal Planet. I recorded all the episodes because I enjoyed it that much !! 

      • Ljohnson

        No, it wasn’t great publicity but it’s REALITY. There is greed and corruption and old feuds and every other seedy thing that IS inherent in racing just as there is in ALL industry, including obviously, our government. Tune into any medical or law enforcement show. Do you think that the people working and training in those fields have gripes about how their industry is portrayed? Like I said, I would have not shown a fake breakdown scene in the first episode–PERIOD–and I have heard lots of men and women that weren’t planning a second viewing after that. It didn’t actually happen you know, it was staged and enhanced with a computer. Just like dinosaurs eating people. And the horse Mr Smith was referring to WAS a real life incident that made the big news decades ago. THIS IS REAL LIFE people.

        • MA

          Yeah, the characters and events in the racing part of the show are very inspired by real life. Heck, they’re more real than the exaggerated, one-dimensional *characters* Animal Planet made out of the real people filmed for the show “Jockeys.” I’d be more concerned about that show that claims to be reality (and so many people buy into that) than the fictional drama. 

      • Greyfel

        Shades of Alydar? Does anyone really know the real story on him? A horse that ran nose to nose in all 3 triple crown races. A horse that courageously ran his heart out. Then he goes to the breeding shed and produces more racers, more money for his owners. And what happens? According to what has been told, he had his leg broken for the sake of the insurance money.
        He saved the farm but couldn’t save himself.
        What was the real story there? I wish I could have been a fly on the wall.
        Alydar was a beautiful thoroughbred.

        • RayPaulick

           ACCORDING TO WHAT HAS BEEN TOLD???? By who, exactly?

          Look, Greyfel, there are suspicions by some well-informed people, but that’s all. Suspicions. Let’s remember that the insurance money was not enough to bail Calumet out of bankruptcy.

          • Greyfel

            Ray, there was an entire book written about it. Also, it has been told and retold around many stables and I frankly believe it even though I cannot prove it nor can anyone else,they tried.

            Why would they insist on giving the night off to the man who was with Alydar most of the time when it was not his regular night off and he didn’t ask for it.

            There are lots of suppositions; he caught his leg and fought until he broke it, he fell in his stall, he kicked and damaged the leg beyond repair. I think not, I don’t believe them.

            Even if the money was not enough to bail them out completely, the place was mismanaged,and poorly run if they got themselves in the poor shape that they were in when Alydar mysteriously injured himself so badly that he could not be saved.

            You can say what you want, but I loved that horse, admired that horse, and I think the way he ended his life was really crummy
            .
            I have done a lot of reading on the subject and no one knows for sure what happened, but I have a right to say what I think; other people have spoken out about it.

            Does this answer satisfy you or do you have any more questions? I am happy to discuss it further if you wish. Thank you for your response.

            Kathryn Baker aka greyfel

          • RayPaulick

             A Wild Ride…..a great book. I read it. But there is no proof that insurance fraud occurred…only speculation. That was my point.

  • Dwla5

    Ray, thanks for an excellent article. But it is clear that “Luck” was a vanity project for HBO all along, with the principals doing their things with no regard for the audience. And what about the tasteless, lingering closeups of a chopped up body being disposed of at sea in the latest episode?  As co-writer of that episode, Jay Hovdey should be embarrassed. 

  • Dwla5

    Ray, thanks for an excellent article. But it is clear that “Luck” was a vanity project for HBO all along, with the principals doing their things with no regard for the audience. And what about the tasteless, lingering closeups of a chopped up body being disposed of at sea in the latest episode?  As co-writer of that episode, Jay Hovdey should be embarrassed. 

  • Ljohnson

    We can dissect and argue all we want about the way Luck was portrayed–and I am right with some of the people in wishing the opening episode didn’t include a tragic breakdown scene (why not get people hooked FIRST with the beauty of racing and the bond with the horses before you cram a fracture down the viewer’s throats? And it’s still amazing to me that sooooo many people think that it REALLY happened, like they planned a fracture! Duh, ever hear of CGI? It’s a TV show people….good lord). However, I’m not the producer or director so it’s not my call.

    I’ve given 35 years of my life loving this industry from the shed row up, and this is NOT going to change my love for it, but be even more saddened that my friends are now unemployed, that PETA has another hand in lies and deceit, that there weren’t enough viewers to warrant HBO enough to fight back. I’m not totally sure that if there were 9 million viewers rather than 1/2 that, if it would have made a different impact or not. Everyone in this industry KNOWS what troubles we’re going through. This was a shot in the dark, that it could/would be accepted. Quite obviously the horsemen and the producers took everything quite seriously and followed or exceeded all humane and intelligent guidelines to no avail. I’m an very sad and pissed off that I won’t get to see this show grow.

    Lisa J
    OKC

  • JM

    horseracing doesn’t need a show like Luck on the air anyway – as accurate as some of it may have been, it was not helping and look at the situation in New York and Aqueduct, Barbaro and Eight Belles’ deaths seem far away and things seem to be getting worse – perception is reality  – horse racing needs a lot, and I mean a lot, of help in that regard
    J

    • Merasmag

      don’t you watch “disney kids”?

  • JM

    horseracing doesn’t need a show like Luck on the air anyway – as accurate as some of it may have been, it was not helping and look at the situation in New York and Aqueduct, Barbaro and Eight Belles’ deaths seem far away and things seem to be getting worse – perception is reality  – horse racing needs a lot, and I mean a lot, of help in that regard
    J

  • Merasmag

    i am SO glad u posted (whoever u are)
    please carefully read “big red”s post below and “serio”s post above…

    put them together and we get to my conclusion that NTRA should fund a lawsuit against PETA and fight it to the death (hopefully there is no damning evidence that would preclude that)

    might as well go down swinging…

  • JB56

    Ljohnson…..the opening show breakdown made my wife stop watching immediately and hasn’t watched since.  The you could see it coming with the guy’s claim breaking down….the only thing they spared us was him getting a corpse – at least the horse lived.  Then you have Nick Nolte who has to keep rehashing with detail how his horses Sire was tortured and killed…..None of this great publicity for racing. 

  • Noelle

    Great reporting.   All the deaths are explicable and it sounds like the horses got the right sort of care.  I donate to animal causes all the time but haven’t given a nickel to PETA for years (though I did at one time) because it’s clear (to me) that they’re crazy – not just in this case but in almost everything they do. 

    Racing has some real problems and real villains, but it’s typical of PETA that they don’t give a damn about any of that. 

    • JC

       I have never given a nickel to PETA, and will not in light of the disclosures here re:  fat cat salaries and the money(way less) actually spent on animal welfare.  Instead, I am happy to give to (general) equine and thoroughbred rescues, and I’d encourage everyone to do the same. 

      And please be kind to all your equine friends.  The other day, in my state, I was in a historic coastal town, at night.  It offers horse-drawn buggy rides and tours of the town.  The buggy setup looked ok, and the horse, a pretty paint, looked clean and well-fed.  But I could tell by the position of his head that he was really tired–he’d probably been at his job all day, and it was enough.  We had a car full of kids and couldn’t safely stop, otherwise I would have asked the driver about this.  I thought and prayed all night about that horse, and I still do.  I can only hope he went back to his barn not long after that and slept well all night.  Have a heart, people.  Horses get tired just like we do. 

      • Merasmag

        i believe peta has worked against horse-drawn carriages in nyc and i support that…horrible things go on with what are almost literally “poor ole windbags” here in chicago
        thanx for the nightmares

  • roger

    PETA is a self righteous terrorist group……like to read the background on their top 10 salaried employees.

  • Noelle

    Great reporting.   All the deaths are explicable and it sounds like the horses got the right sort of care.  I donate to animal causes all the time but haven’t given a nickel to PETA for years (though I did at one time) because it’s clear (to me) that they’re crazy – not just in this case but in almost everything they do. 

    Racing has some real problems and real villains, but it’s typical of PETA that they don’t give a damn about any of that. 

  • roger

    PETA is a self righteous terrorist group……like to read the background on their top 10 salaried employees.

  • Ljohnson

    You’re begging to start a fight here. Apparently you did not READ the article.

  • Kurt

    Excellent article, Ray.  One way to get back at Waskey is to give her a negative review on Avvo via
    the link below. As an attorney, I find her lies and tactics to be
    repugnant.

    https://www.avvo.com/attorneys

  • W Mundey

    great article hope the people employed by PETA stealing the $7.5 Million will one day be investigated

  • W Mundey

    great article hope the people employed by PETA stealing the $7.5 Million will one day be investigated

  • Ann Taylor

    Well said, Fred.  C’mon media members – those with clout to make a difference  need to step up here!  Check ranking of “charities” and know that PETA pays themselves first, and handsomely — their animal neglect/abuse is reflected in their personal bank accounts. The PETA kingdom is built on the false pretense that they’re in it for the animals — they are NOT.  (Kudos to you, Ray. I’m one of your forever fans.)

  • Tony

    Good job Ray,The media and peta are close friends.

    Well said..

     According to its latest IRS Form 990, PETA is an organization that spends $7.5 million on its own salaries each year and less than $1 million supporting animal welfare organizations.
    It will move on to its next subject, employ the same tactics, and find a sympathetic media to help carry out its mission. PETA is very good at what it does. Just not very ethical.

    Form 990
    http://nccsdataweb.urban.org/orgs/profile/521218336?popup=1

  • Tony

    Good job Ray,The media and peta are close friends.

    Well said..

     According to its latest IRS Form 990, PETA is an organization that spends $7.5 million on its own salaries each year and less than $1 million supporting animal welfare organizations.
    It will move on to its next subject, employ the same tactics, and find a sympathetic media to help carry out its mission. PETA is very good at what it does. Just not very ethical.

    Form 990
    http://nccsdataweb.urban.org/o

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/MyBig-Red/100000980578079 MyBig Red

    I agree with your wife. I watched the first episode & I thought it was awful, showing a horse breakdown in the race. Yes, it is sad, sometimes horses breakdown, but did they have to include that? I thought the show was trashy…..
    I LOVED the show, “Jockeys” on Animal Planet. I recorded all the episodes because I enjoyed it that much !! 

  • Ljohnson

    No, it wasn’t great publicity but it’s REALITY. There is greed and corruption and old feuds and every other seedy thing that IS inherent in racing just as there is in ALL industry, including obviously, our government. Tune into any medical or law enforcement show. Do you think that the people working and training in those fields have gripes about how their industry is portrayed? Like I said, I would have not shown a fake breakdown scene in the first episode–PERIOD–and I have heard lots of men and women that weren’t planning a second viewing after that. It didn’t actually happen you know, it was staged and enhanced with a computer. Just like dinosaurs eating people. And the horse Mr Smith was referring to WAS a real life incident that made the big news decades ago. THIS IS REAL LIFE people.

  • Ljohnson

    You would be dead wrong in assuming that the trainers ‘make all the money’. In fact, you are incorrect in just about every sentence you wrote. It’s a business. It’s hard NOT to fall in love with the horses, almost impossible. But yes, when a horse gets injured you stabilize them and take them to the farm to rehab. Very few trainers can afford to keep a horse in a stall that has no potential to make money. Not saying this is right or wrong, that it’s a business.

  • Merasmag

    i havta go out now but eagerly await reading v’s response

    sorta

  • Merasmag

    i havta go out now but eagerly await reading v’s response

    sorta

  • Docpeay903

    I hope that the people involved in the making of LUCK will think about a movie that
    incorporates the characters and storyline. What better way of not only finishing
    the story but adding PETA’s own pocket linning, distorted story. Talk about ratings!
    May the truth set you free.
    Thanks Ray.

    • Merasmag

      and if that doesn’t work they can make a documentary…ending with the wreckingball exploding the twinspires

  • Docpeay903

    I hope that the people involved in the making of LUCK will think about a movie that
    incorporates the characters and storyline. What better way of not only finishing
    the story but adding PETA’s own pocket linning, distorted story. Talk about ratings!
    May the truth set you free.
    Thanks Ray.

  • Rontb

    A posting by “Tony” giving the link to find PETA’s most recent 990 report is especially revealing.  Those interested in numbers should review page 10 ofthe 2010 990, Statement of Functional Expenses. Aside from the revealing lines for expenses in wages and benefits, check out section 11 Fees for Services (non-employees), specifically line 11g “Other” which lists a total of $11,005,077.
    I sure as hell would like to know what makes up $11-million in “Other” “Services” expenses.

  • Rontb

    A posting by “Tony” giving the link to find PETA’s most recent 990 report is especially revealing.  Those interested in numbers should review page 10 ofthe 2010 990, Statement of Functional Expenses. Aside from the revealing lines for expenses in wages and benefits, check out section 11 Fees for Services (non-employees), specifically line 11g “Other” which lists a total of $11,005,077.
    I sure as hell would like to know what makes up $11-million in “Other” “Services” expenses.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1527969315 Greg Scherr

     If you took the 2 seconds it takes to read his “name” it says Chewracing, and even though I am sure rocket science is not your field of expertise you could decipher it is Matt Chew that posted.  Your attn. to detail is just above PETA.

  • cgriff

    Ray – you should be published in the NYTimes – this is as good an investigative take down of a ludicrous organization’s bogus methods as I’ve seen.  Send this to Joe Drape and see if he can’t get it in the Times.  Until major papers start picking up on how they are being played by PETA and other unscrupulous organizations that thrive on self promotion, the travesty of collateral damage from stories like Eight Belles and the horses on Luck will continue.  More people need to know how little money taken in by PETA actually contributes to animal welfare. 

    • MA

      That’d be a real test of their objectivity, to run a piece calling out their own reporting methods. Actually, the NY Times was one of the better organizations on this topic, with the story below that has the vets negating PETA’s stance. It seemed like mostly B or C-level outlets ran the stories that didn’t mention how the horses died, especially the third one, and regurgitated PETA’s drugs line.

      http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/16/arts/television/hbos-luck-faces-questions-from-peta.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=hbo%20luck&st=cse

      • Merasmag

        every station in chicago gets its news from u-tube

    • LongTimeEconomist

      Based on some of Joe Drape’s articles in recent years, I’m not sure that he’d make much effort to get clarification in the NYTimes.

  • Allan

    Well, PETA is like any other issue-oriented organization or politician, they cherry pick the facts and then write their stories.  That being said, I don’t think the new media is necessary anti-racing; I suspect it has more to do with news organizations running so lean that they don’t have times to check facts so they just take what they are told.

    It also shows you that racing and other groups don’t know how to prompty react to these stories, allowing them to gain momentum.

  • cgriff

    Ray – you should be published in the NYTimes – this is as good an investigative take down of a ludicrous organization’s bogus methods as I’ve seen.  Send this to Joe Drape and see if he can’t get it in the Times.  Until major papers start picking up on how they are being played by PETA and other unscrupulous organizations that thrive on self promotion, the travesty of collateral damage from stories like Eight Belles and the horses on Luck will continue.  More people need to know how little money taken in by PETA actually contributes to animal welfare. 

  • Pacingguy

    Well, PETA is like any other issue-oriented organization or politician, they cherry pick the facts and then write their stories.  That being said, I don’t think the new media is necessary anti-racing; I suspect it has more to do with news organizations running so lean that they don’t have times to check facts so they just take what they are told.

    It also shows you that racing and other groups don’t know how to prompty react to these stories, allowing them to gain momentum.

  • Sean Kerr

    Thanks Ray for the report but especially for the IRS document information. The sad reality of this situation is that it exposes the price we pay as a fragmented and decentralized racing industry: how can the horse racing industry really retaliate against PETA? It can’t. The vets and the producers would be correct in suing these people for liable. But here we are again as an industry left to flop around on the sand like a fish out of water because we are not one unified organization with the collective power to manage ourselves effectively enough to withstand situations like what we suffer from PETA. Indeed – I have an agenda too: we need a national racing commission unencumbered by state governments, organized by a credible act of congress but free to operate under the dictates of free-enterprise. If we bring this industry together and completely restructure we will never have to worry about the likes of PETA ever again.

    • Merasmag

      i firmly believe that if stronach can be in bed with churchill anything is possible

      • Don Reed

        Your comments are feeding the suspicion that there are three parties in this bed; the first two being admitted due to unconscionable business practices, and the third, yourself, being given a pass because the velvet rope bouncer admires your resemblence to the first two admitted.

        • Merasmag

          wtf is that supposed2mean??? UR against national regulation???
          oh yeah…i believe mayb u said u were…

          but i appreciate all the attention…i gotta get me a column…

    • JC

       Makes sense to me…

  • Sean Kerr

    Thanks Ray for the report but especially for the IRS document information. The sad reality of this situation is that it exposes the price we pay as a fragmented and decentralized racing industry: how can the horse racing industry really retaliate against PETA? It can’t. The vets and the producers would be correct in suing these people for liable. But here we are again as an industry left to flop around on the sand like a fish out of water because we are not one unified organization with the collective power to manage ourselves effectively enough to withstand situations like what we suffer from PETA. Indeed – I have an agenda too: we need a national racing commission unencumbered by state governments, organized by a credible act of congress but free to operate under the dictates of free-enterprise. If we bring this industry together and completely restructure we will never have to worry about the likes of PETA ever again.

  • Merasmag

    i’m  not sure people should start slinging mud back at petapeople w/o facts
    personally, i worked for greenpeace for years and it is probably worse than peta in fundraising…if not factspinning
    i could win a trillion dollars and would still not give money to either

  • MA

    Going by the screename and text, it must be Matt Chew, the lead horse trainer for “Luck.”

  • Ted Straub

    The pick up and sensationalization of the Luck story by PETA and its supporters reminds me of the old journalistic adage “Don’t let the truth get in the way of a good story.” It might be a “good ” story in respect to gaining readers, but a “bad” story as far as its tenets not being accurate.

  • Ted Straub

    The pick up and sensationalization of the Luck story by PETA and its supporters reminds me of the old journalistic adage “Don’t let the truth get in the way of a good story.” It might be a “good ” story in respect to gaining readers, but a “bad” story as far as its tenets not being accurate.

  • Merasmag

    my uncle was a rocket scientist
    but he’s just by marriage…
    signed-
    chewme

  • rkieck

    I dealt with — and largely ignored — PETA during my many years as a reporter specifically because it was clear to me they didn’t care how they pursued their agenda. I could name a few other generally esteemed organizations that operate similarly. The issue is the current state of the “mainstream” news media. There are almost no “beat reporters” left so few really have any in-depth knowledge of what they are “covering.” That makes them easy pickings for the likes of PETA and, as you note Ray, once that phony story gets into the whirlpool of the Internet, it becomes “truth.” The only way to fight this is to NOT accept ANYTHING you read or hear unless you see some “ID” verifying it. Be skeptical. Ask yourself, “Does this make sense?” Who are “they” who “have found” something? It’s like voting. If you don’t do your part, you’re part of the problem. Jeez.

    • Grarick

       Bob! How are you?! You’re right on the money here, of course; there’s no real journalism left and the Internet rumor mill becomes truth. Big news organizations have cut the budget so much that it’s really not the reporter’s fault – they’ve got 20 minutes to whack out a story from a press release and it’s on to the next subject. That’s the reason I quit! (Well, that and I would rather train horses…)

      • Don Reed

        Looks like we have a genuine reporter convention here (Grarick’s previous comments the NYT could not be faked).  God bless, to you both.

        [Non-reporter.]

  • rkieck

    I dealt with — and largely ignored — PETA during my many years as a reporter specifically because it was clear to me they didn’t care how they pursued their agenda. I could name a few other generally esteemed organizations that operate similarly. The issue is the current state of the “mainstream” news media. There are almost no “beat reporters” left so few really have any in-depth knowledge of what they are “covering.” That makes them easy pickings for the likes of PETA and, as you note Ray, once that phony story gets into the whirlpool of the Internet, it becomes “truth.” The only way to fight this is to NOT accept ANYTHING you read or hear unless you see some “ID” verifying it. Be skeptical. Ask yourself, “Does this make sense?” Who are “they” who “have found” something? It’s like voting. If you don’t do your part, you’re part of the problem. Jeez.

  • Merasmag

    yeah, yeah…i get it…i worked the election yesterday and a lady voter had the name “milch”…it took all i had to hold my tongue…

  • http://twitter.com/degeneratevern Horse Shirt

    You post reminds me of that Talking Head album “Stop Making Sense”

  • Merasmag

    don’t you watch “disney kids”?

  • Merasmag

    and if that doesn’t work they can make a documentary…ending with the wreckingball exploding the twinspires

  • MA

    That’d be a real test of their objectivity, to run a piece calling out their own reporting methods. Actually, the NY Times was one of the better organizations on this topic, with the story below that has the vets negating PETA’s stance. It seemed like mostly B or C-level outlets ran the stories that didn’t mention how the horses died, especially the third one, and regurgitated PETA’s drugs line.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03

  • John McEvoy

    Badly needed column, Ray. The market place should have determined the fate of “Luck”, not these dishonest fanatics.

  • John McEvoy

    Badly needed column, Ray. The market place should have determined the fate of “Luck”, not these dishonest fanatics.

  • Merasmag

    i firmly believe that if stronach can be in bed with churchill anything is possible

  • Tinky

    Excellent reporting Ray. Really first rate.

  • Tinky

    Excellent reporting Ray. Really first rate.

  • Merasmag

    and i dncare who u r or what a “scherr” is

    mayb u should focus on the point here…do you happen to work for NTRA?
    they can’t see the forest for the trees either

  • JC

     Thank you for the report.  I wonder about the use of any drugs in Marc’s Shadow.  I still also wonder about 3 fatalities on this set(granted, possibly bad Luck of the draw; no pun intended) but no fatalities on and outstanding humane ratings for movie sets(with similar scenes) like Secretariat, Seabiscuit, Cowboys & Aliens, Robin Hood, etc. 

    Frankly, I find the whole thing a shame, period. 

  • JC

     Thank you for the report.  I wonder about the use of any drugs in Marc’s Shadow.  I still also wonder about 3 fatalities on this set(granted, possibly bad Luck of the draw; no pun intended) but no fatalities on and outstanding humane ratings for movie sets(with similar scenes) like Secretariat, Seabiscuit, Cowboys & Aliens, Robin Hood, etc. 

    Frankly, I find the whole thing a shame, period. 

  • JC

     Makes sense to me…

  • HappyHarriet

    Wow!  Beautifully written, as usual, Ray.  Where I see errors and lies about the hapless horses of “Luck”, I make sure to correct the information, but the one-at-a-time postings will do little to crowd out lies, whereas your article MUST be distributed far and wide.  I’m grateful that, so far, that dear man Matthew Chew, the trainer, hasn’t been drawn and quartered.  I was in his barn last year, and a sweeter, kinder, more ethical man is hard to find.  He was soaking a horse’s feet in a tub of epsom salts and the horse was in 7th heaven.  I wished I could rent one of those stalls and get all that pampering, organic foods, massage, acupuncture, and epsom salt baths for my feet.  That man, the staff of “Luck” (some of whom I know), nor anyone else associated with Santa Anita would EVER endanger a horse.  Now are we gonna apply the same high standards to those awful PETA people?  Hmmm…  Yes, because we aren’t out to destroy their industry, although they are out to destroy ours.  We cannot let them get away with lies.  Errors, mishaps, mistakes and a very rare bad apple will show up from time to time, and properly reported, we have to appreciate the information even if we don’t like it.  But we do not have to, nor should we, EVER EVER EVER accept these lies.  As to “Luck” – gosh it was terrible.  Bring back the Jockey show, please!

    • JC

       CAST OUT OR EXPOSE THE BAD APPLES, IT WILL AID THE HEALTH OF THE BARREL AND RAISE THE REPUTATION OF THE INDUSTRY

      If anyone wants to put that on a t-shirt, I’ll buy it.  :-) 

  • Anthony Aguirre

     If PETA really cared they should now find new homes or make an offer to take ownership of all 45 horses . Now that these equine athletes have been robbed of new careers . Not mention ruining a good show. PETA put your money where your mouth is. Or just continue to lie and put the money in your pockets!!! PETA = Pathetic Enemy To Animals! 
      
     Is it just me or does something have to be done about PETA?! They don’t realize they are doing more harm then good. 
     

    • JC

       I agree that if they can expound re:  the horses’ care on the set, they can expound on how they’re helping to now find homes for these animals, too. 

  • JC

     I have never given a nickel to PETA, and will not in light of the disclosures here re:  fat cat salaries and the money(way less) actually spent on animal welfare.  Instead, I am happy to give to (general) equine and thoroughbred rescues, and I’d encourage everyone to do the same. 

    And please be kind to all your equine friends.  The other day, in my state, I was in a historic coastal town, at night.  It offers horse-drawn buggy rides and tours of the town.  The buggy setup looked ok, and the horse, a pretty paint, looked clean and well-fed.  But I could tell by the position of his head that he was really tired–he’d probably been at his job all day, and it was enough.  We had a car full of kids and couldn’t safely stop, otherwise I would have asked the driver about this.  I thought and prayed all night about that horse, and I still do.  I can only hope he went back to his barn not long after that and slept well all night.  Have a heart, people.  Horses get tired just like we do. 

  • HappyHarriet

    Wow!  Beautifully written, as usual, Ray.  Where I see errors and lies about the hapless horses of “Luck”, I make sure to correct the information, but the one-at-a-time postings will do little to crowd out lies, whereas your article MUST be distributed far and wide.  I’m grateful that, so far, that dear man Matthew Chew, the trainer, hasn’t been drawn and quartered.  I was in his barn last year, and a sweeter, kinder, more ethical man is hard to find.  He was soaking a horse’s feet in a tub of epsom salts and the horse was in 7th heaven.  I wished I could rent one of those stalls and get all that pampering, organic foods, massage, acupuncture, and epsom salt baths for my feet.  That man, the staff of “Luck” (some of whom I know), nor anyone else associated with Santa Anita would EVER endanger a horse.  Now are we gonna apply the same high standards to those awful PETA people?  Hmmm…  Yes, because we aren’t out to destroy their industry, although they are out to destroy ours.  We cannot let them get away with lies.  Errors, mishaps, mistakes and a very rare bad apple will show up from time to time, and properly reported, we have to appreciate the information even if we don’t like it.  But we do not have to, nor should we, EVER EVER EVER accept these lies.  As to “Luck” – gosh it was terrible.  Bring back the Jockey show, please!

  • Anthony Aguirre

     If PETA really cared they should now find new homes or make an offer to take ownership of all 45 horses . Now that these equine athletes have been robbed of new careers . Not mention ruining a good show. PETA put your money where your mouth is. Or just continue to lie and put the money in your pockets!!! PETA = Pathetic Enemy To Animals! 
      
     Is it just me or does something have to be done about PETA?! They don’t realize they are doing more harm then good. 
     

  • JC

     I’m somebody who watched Braveheart and didn’t flinch much, but I agree that that breakdown scene in the first episode was overly graphic and entirely uncalled-for.  No wonder people stopped watching.  As portrayed, they were good to and caring with the horse as she was euthanized, but the whole thing could have been done much more tastefully than that.  I’ve seen, just like everyone here, REAL racing breakdowns(and I’m devastated to see those, too) that didn’t look as bad.  It is true that we don’t know “where” the series would have gone and taken its storylines, but, in ethos, it left a lot to be desired. 

  • MA

    Yeah, the characters and events in the racing part of the show are very inspired by real life. Heck, they’re more real than the exaggerated, one-dimensional *characters* Animal Planet made out of the real people filmed for the show “Jockeys.” I’d be more concerned about that show that claims to be reality (and so many people buy into that) than the fictional drama. 

  • Mary

    Kudos to Mr. Paulick.   Great article.  I especially appreciate you exposing that PETA “spends $7.5 million on its own salaries each year and less than $1 million supporting animal welfare organizations”.

    • JC

       And PETA first needs to explain that little discrepancy before people like me listen to anything else…we’re all ears…go for it. 

  • JC

     Thank you for the work you did and do.  Hugs and kudos–I wish it had turned out better. 

  • Mary

    Kudos to Mr. Paulick.   Great article.  I especially appreciate you exposing that PETA “spends $7.5 million on its own salaries each year and less than $1 million supporting animal welfare organizations”.

  • JEFFREY SEDER

    Here’s the quotation from the PETA official that you printed:
    “There is a possibility one of the drugs was given afterwards,” Guillermo {PETA Vice President} said. “The District Attorney or the Pasadena Humane Society would have to find out when everything was administered. But that’s what we were told by the vets we discussed it with. It’s fair to say that’s what we heard. I believe and was advised that the indication on the necropsy report was that the horses were running on those drugs and I believe that to be the case, and I was told that by six people on the set.”

    Assuming this person is telling the truth, it would be nice to know who were the veterinarians and the six people on the set that gave PETA the damning alleged facts. It would seem to me they are the culprits, not the caring organization that acted on those same facts they received from multiple sources that were prima facie reliable.

    Now all the zealots who hate animal rights people can launch into attacking me too.

  • JEFFREY SEDER

    Here’s the quotation from the PETA official that you printed:
    “There is a possibility one of the drugs was given afterwards,” Guillermo {PETA Vice President} said. “The District Attorney or the Pasadena Humane Society would have to find out when everything was administered. But that’s what we were told by the vets we discussed it with. It’s fair to say that’s what we heard. I believe and was advised that the indication on the necropsy report was that the horses were running on those drugs and I believe that to be the case, and I was told that by six people on the set.”

    Assuming this person is telling the truth, it would be nice to know who were the veterinarians and the six people on the set that gave PETA the damning alleged facts. It would seem to me they are the culprits, not the caring organization that acted on those same facts they received from multiple sources that were prima facie reliable.

    Now all the zealots who hate animal rights people can launch into attacking me too.

  • PortTownGirl

     A “clean” racehorse?  You must be joking.  No such thing, from in utero.  Perhaps these horses had been off the track for a very long time.  Freak accidents?  There are conflicting reports on that.  I suppose the ones doing the telling are tailoring them according to their audience.

  • JEFFREY SEDER

    PS — there are plenty of lies and completely false statements by those rushing to congratulate you on lambasting PETA — an organization you completely misrepresented in many ways, by the way. I understand the righteous furor created by the version of the facts from the trainer involved –  but  a journalist is supposed to try hard for balanced reporting. PETA is not greedy, not full of fat cats, not squandering money on non-animal welfare activities, not hypocritical, etc etc. Maybe they botched this one, maybe not — we do not yet know the facts really.  Regardless, now it becomes the excuse in the mainstream racing press to unload on an unpopular viewpoint.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000244251848 Glenn Craven

      I’ll also refer you to the Penn & Teller “Bu11$hit!” episode on PETA, arguably one of the least ethical and effective charities in America. … They’re effective at raking in $35 million a year in donations while killing 95 percent of the animals they “rescue,” though. Those are facts, from the organization’s own documents.

    • Merasmag

      mr. craven is again making sense…unlike you

  • JEFFREY SEDER

    PS — there are plenty of lies and completely false statements by those rushing to congratulate you on lambasting PETA — an organization you completely misrepresented in many ways, by the way. I understand the righteous furor created by the version of the facts from the trainer involved –  but  a journalist is supposed to try hard for balanced reporting. PETA is not greedy, not full of fat cats, not squandering money on non-animal welfare activities, not hypocritical, etc etc. Maybe they botched this one, maybe not — we do not yet know the facts really.  Regardless, now it becomes the excuse in the mainstream racing press to unload on an unpopular viewpoint.

  • Kirk S.

    Excellent article.  I wish it could gain wider circulation for main stream readers, but that horse has already left the barn.   Keep fighting the good fight, Ray.

  • Kirk S.

    Excellent article.  I wish it could gain wider circulation for main stream readers, but that horse has already left the barn.   Keep fighting the good fight, Ray.

  • Garrett Redmond

    Right on!

    A couple of other “non-profits” seducing a consensual media are: La Rasa and ACLU.  Neither will touch an item unless it can be put on a nationwide platform.

    Best course of action may be to alert the IRS to reality these Tax-exempt/Non-profits exist solely to provide very comfortable livings for their executives.  Any “charity” that disburses less than 50% of revenue to it’s stated cause should be denied tax-exemption.  I believe such a rule would knock out the majority of organizations now in the racket.

  • HappyHarriet

     I apologize for thinking that you were exempt from PETA’s nastiness.  I was misinformed.  Earlier I posted how fabulous you and your barn are, and how when I visited last year I wanted to live there and get all that pampering and attention that your horses were getting, including having my feet soaked in epsom salts!  You have an army of horse lovers who also know YOU, and there are way more of US than them, and all of us will make it our business to set the record straight.  Ray Paulick is “go to” source for good reporting!

  • voiceofreason

    PETA bullsh*t is in equal and direct correlation to the bullsh*t of our own industry.

  • voiceofreason

    PETA bullsh*t is in equal and direct correlation to the bullsh*t of our own industry.

  • Orice1

    This is just PETA’S way of keeping their name in the news. I have never liked what they do and will never support them in any way. I would consider them terrorist.

  • Orice1

    This is just PETA’S way of keeping their name in the news. I have never liked what they do and will never support them in any way. I would consider them terrorist.

  • TickerTapeParade

    OMG, this is hilarious. Ray Paulick scolding someone for being unethical. You have to be sh***ing me. Ray, you and the powers that be aPETA don’t have ethics or a sense of fair play. For both parties the means justifies the end. You each distort the truth and play hard and fast with the facts – ie yellow journalism – to meet your own agenda. In your case its advertising dollars; for PETA, in this instance, it was the cancellation of Luck. Mission accomplished in both endeavors.

    For God’s sake, man, leave any ethical deliberation to people with actual morals and ethics.

    • Merasmag

      EXCELLENT FIRST POST!!!

  • TickerTapeParade

    OMG, this is hilarious. Ray Paulick scolding someone for being unethical. You have to be sh***ing me. Ray, you and the powers that be aPETA don’t have ethics or a sense of fair play. For both parties the means justifies the end. You each distort the truth and play hard and fast with the facts – ie yellow journalism – to meet your own agenda. In your case its advertising dollars; for PETA, in this instance, it was the cancellation of Luck. Mission accomplished in both endeavors.

    For God’s sake, man, leave any ethical deliberation to people with actual morals and ethics.

  • Chillmaster1

    It`s a shame that a show about a cut thoart bussiness get it`s throat cut by PETA, who know`s nothing about racing or what it takes to really race a horse and the money that is involved from the time thier born to the time they race even if they make that far,most do`nt Im sure with two Vet`s on the set all horses wore taken care of better then most are!!!!!!

  • Chillmaster1

    It`s a shame that a show about a cut thoart bussiness get it`s throat cut by PETA, who know`s nothing about racing or what it takes to really race a horse and the money that is involved from the time thier born to the time they race even if they make that far,most do`nt Im sure with two Vet`s on the set all horses wore taken care of better then most are!!!!!!

  • Tanner

    The financial report on PETA tells a person what they are REALLY all about.

  • Guest

    Great article. 

    I was revolted watching the donkey getting shot in Patton, and I’m revolted to see three retired racehorses die on LUCK. 

    What cannot be denied is the fact that on Seabiscuit, Secretariat, and War Horse, not a SINGLE HORSE DIED. Please explain this discrepancy…..

    Why were old, retired horses, trained by a sub-par trainer (i.e. 5% wins,) even running 1/4 mile sprints morning, noon, and night? These horses were retired for a reason. But of course, the $5,000 re-treads from Los Alamitos (aka Burnadette,) were used in this manner.

    No, I do not appreciate the PETA tactics. But perhaps we should look in a mirror. 

    Again:

    What cannot be denied is the fact that on Seabiscuit, Secretariat, and War Horse, not a SINGLE HORSE DIED. Please explain this discrepancy…..

    • Guest

      THEY WERE NOT OLD AND RETIRED! 

      • Guest

        Yes they were! Get ur facts straight.

        Outlaw Yodeler: http://www.pedigreequery.com/outlaw+yodeler

        http://www.equibase.com/premium/eqbPDFChartPlus.cfm?BORP=P&STYLE=EQB&DAY=D&tid=LA&dt=01/23/2010&ctry=USA&race=1

        6th in a $2,000 claimer at Los Al in his final race. 

        Born 2005 18 Starts: 2 – 3 – 3, $ 25,014

        Mark’s Shadow: http://www.pedigreequery.com/marcs+shadow

        Born 2003: 8 Starts: 1 – 1 – 0, $ 6,955

        Why they used 9 and 7 year old retired racehorses, retreads from Los Alamitos trained by Matthew Chew, is beyond me. They were retired for a reason! 

        • http://www.facebook.com/SaveStallions Mary Adkins-Matthews

          Outlaw Yodeler only had 18 lifetime starts and Marc’s Shadow had 8 starts These horses were hardly what anyone would consider used up or needing to be retired. They were simply not fast race horses that fell into lower claiming races due to these reasons. 

          It was also stated that the 2 vets ( NOT ONE but TWO) including one independent vet had checked the horses and they were not drugged. 

          I think the facts are straight and should not be twisted 

          • GUEST

            18 starts for a nine year old? well yes, that must mean he was sound. 

            By the way, how is it that no horses died on War Horse, Seabiscuit, and Secretariat, yet THREE died on this show? 

            Please explain how the producers, trainers, and studio executives did their job properly. 

          • Another Guest

            Yo, “Guest”…get your facts straight if you’re going to try arguing with the big boys.

            Outlaw Yodeler was FIVE when he took a bad step in 2010, not nine. And he had run his final race just four months earlier…in $2K claiming company at Los Al. The argument could even be made that “Luck” gave him a job, a second career, when he otherwise could have been shipped off to Mexico for a gruesome fate after his racing career had dwindled to this point.

            Did you even read Ray’s article before posting?

          • Guest

            If he took a bad step then he was pasture sound. NOT race, or tv-race sound.

            Again, why no deaths on Seabiscuit, Secretariat, and War Horse? Aaah, proper training of the proper horses, I suppose.

            “The argument could even be made that “Luck” gave him a job, a second career, when he otherwise could have been shipped off to Mexico for a gruesome fate after his racing career had dwindled to this point.” WHAT A FALLACIOUS ARGUMENT. 

            How old was Mark’s Shadow? 

          • MA

            FWIW, the same trainers that did “Luck” also did “Seabiscuit.”

          • Merasmag

            i sprained my ankle 30 years ago but i can still run…not 48flat but good enuf

          • Greyfel

            Well, you just said it..if Outlaw had not landed the job on LUCK, “he otherwise could have been shipped off to Mexico for a gruesome fate after his racing career had dwindled to this point.”

            What about the above statement makes the racing industry a compassionate place for a horse to be? There aren’t that many movie or t.v. jobs for ex-race horses so I guess, in your own words, they get shipped.

          • http://www.facebook.com/SaveStallions Mary Adkins-Matthews

            2 vets said he was sound.. did they both lie?  I don’t think we know for sure if there were horses that died or were injured on those shows. I think this HBO show that was about racing was put under a microscope and perhaps the others shows were not. 

          • Guest

            Rick Arthur and Gary Beck are paid tools. Rick Arthur? The guy that couldn’t get a job on the backstretch so he had to take a Government job? 

            Rick Arthur, the guy who heel-nerved Mandella’s horse? 

            And yes, we know for sure that there were no deaths on Seabiscuit, Secretariat, or War Horse.

          • Sheryl Kerstiens (Sheryl Chew)

            Wow this is crazy. So much mis information. Fluffy facts and stupidity posted by anonymous bloggers. Well since Matthew Chew is my brother. I can tell you that he worked on the Seabiscuit Movie. Huh, so what now. What do you do with that information. He takes great care of his horses. Mr./Mrs. Guest??? I would love to have a chat with you. Maybe I could inform you a bit more. This way you wouldn’t sound like such an ignoramus. I suppose in life we fall to such things as diarrhea of the mouth. Also known as Foot-in-Mouth disease. I guess we have all had it. Some learn quicker than others. I’m sure this will do no good. But maybe it will and at least I tried. My brother is one of the finest horseman I know. Good luck to you. I will pray for all of you.
            Sheryl Kerstiens (Sheryl Chew)

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000244251848 Glenn Craven

            Neither horse was 9 years old.

            Outlaw Yodeler who made the 18 lifetime starts was 5 when he died in the show’s care in 2010. (JEEZ, do the math, foaled in 2005). Marc’s Shadow was the senior citizen at 8 when he died filming a scene in 2011, having not competed since 2007.

            I can find NO reason not to use Outlaw Yodeler for the production. I would think they could have found a younger horse than Marc’s Shadow — but then again, there are horses winning stakes races as 8-year-olds and older every year. Talent, likely not soundness, took this horse off the track, and in these racing scenes the horses were running for short distances against other horses of similar ability, or lack thereof.

            I think it’s fallacious to assume that neither horse was fit to “race” for three-eighths during filming. Far more likely is that the horses had to be breezed-up to participating in the show, so they WOULD be able to run a bit (for limited distances in similar “retired” company) and so they’d look the part of a racehorse on camera.

            Three horses died during production of “Luck,” between 2010 and early 2012. One apparently tripped over his own feet on the way back to the barn (could happen after any horse show or trail ride), one flipped while being led by a groom (could happen to almost any horse, anywhere) and one apparently broke down during actual filming. … Three dissimilar incidents and two of them seeming to be outright accident.

            The horses were vetted before participating, EACH DAY they filmed. The American Humane Association supervised filming — the same group that supervised “Seabiscuit” and “Secretariat.”

            As for “War Horse,” let’s be realistic; the majority of “dangerous” scenes in that movie were Hollywood magic. For example, barbed-wire scene was an animatronic horse wrapped in rubber wire, plus a lot of CGI.

            Honestly, the makers of “Seabiscuit” and “Secretariat” in no small part got lucky. Every time even one horse runs a circuit around a racetrack, he might break down and die. Put him in the company of six or eight or 10 other racehorses running 30 mph and a tragedy is inevitable.

            This doesn’t mean I don’t take seriously the deaths of the horses on the “Luck” set. They hit home hard with anyone who cares about animals, particularly racehorses. And, there might have been other steps the producers could have taken to better insure horse welfare.

            But you’d better believe at least a bit of good luck played a role in “Seabiscuit” and “Secretariat” escaping production with no fatalities, and that a run of seriously bad luck, doomed “Luck.”

  • Tanner

    The financial report on PETA tells a person what they are REALLY all about.

  • Guest

    Great article. 

    I was revolted watching the donkey getting shot in Patton, and I’m revolted to see three retired racehorses die on LUCK. 

    What cannot be denied is the fact that on Seabiscuit, Secretariat, and War Horse, not a SINGLE HORSE DIED. Please explain this discrepancy…..

    Why were old, retired horses, trained by a sub-par trainer (i.e. 5% wins,) even running 1/4 mile sprints morning, noon, and night? These horses were retired for a reason. But of course, the $5,000 re-treads from Los Alamitos (aka Burnadette,) were used in this manner.

    No, I do not appreciate the PETA tactics. But perhaps we should look in a mirror. 

    Again:

    What cannot be denied is the fact that on Seabiscuit, Secretariat, and War Horse, not a SINGLE HORSE DIED. Please explain this discrepancy…..

  • Laurie

    Brilliant piece of reporting, Ray.

    Any chance of you sending it to Vickery Eckhoff, the Los Angeles Times, Entertainment Weekly, etc?

    The horses and their caretakers deserve the truth.

  • Laurie

    Brilliant piece of reporting, Ray.

    Any chance of you sending it to Vickery Eckhoff, the Los Angeles Times, Entertainment Weekly, etc?

    The horses and their caretakers deserve the truth.

  • Jack Wolferseder

    Ray,  HBO, Milch & Mann caved with a “guilty conscience” attitude.  They did not have the guts to stand up to these reckless charges by an organization known for creating hysteria.  The entire racing industry should also have joined the fray in repudiating these charges/demands.  The fact that their is no leadership from our industry at ANY level is underscored when situations like this arise. 
           Although the show had some rough edges (the breakbown scene in episode one was totally unnecessary) it was an accurate discription of life at the track-both front and backsides. 
            It’s long past time for Thoroughbred racing to be proactive and not give these activist groups a breath of credability.

    • Merasmag

      hbo, and hbo alone, is the one that caved

  • Jack Wolferseder

    Ray,  HBO, Milch & Mann caved with a “guilty conscience” attitude.  They did not have the guts to stand up to these reckless charges by an organization known for creating hysteria.  The entire racing industry should also have joined the fray in repudiating these charges/demands.  The fact that their is no leadership from our industry at ANY level is underscored when situations like this arise. 
           Although the show had some rough edges (the breakbown scene in episode one was totally unnecessary) it was an accurate discription of life at the track-both front and backsides. 
            It’s long past time for Thoroughbred racing to be proactive and not give these activist groups a breath of credability.

  • JC

     And PETA first needs to explain that little discrepancy before people like me listen to anything else…we’re all ears…go for it. 

  • JC

     I agree that if they can expound re:  the horses’ care on the set, they can expound on how they’re helping to now find homes for these animals, too. 

  • JC

     CAST OUT OR EXPOSE THE BAD APPLES, IT WILL AID THE HEALTH OF THE BARREL AND RAISE THE REPUTATION OF THE INDUSTRY

    If anyone wants to put that on a t-shirt, I’ll buy it.  :-) 

  • Guest

    THEY WERE NOT OLD AND RETIRED! 

  • Sonia

    Good Job Ray! I’m glad someone in the media finally told the truth.

  • Sonia

    Good Job Ray! I’m glad someone in the media finally told the truth.

  • eastcoast cowboy

    Ray,

    Great reporting and many, many valid points.

    However, and there is always a however; The issue of cruelty to both horse and human by horse racing seemed to be the focal point of this terribly conceived and written series.

    By no means am I a horse racing apoligist but Luck did as much damage to our industry’s image as did Peta.

    The TV reality is that the series should have been pulled. The scripts of many of the episodes were almost unwatchable and had it not been for some well acted roles there might have been even less of an audience.

  • Grarick

     Bob! How are you?! You’re right on the money here, of course; there’s no real journalism left and the Internet rumor mill becomes truth. Big news organizations have cut the budget so much that it’s really not the reporter’s fault – they’ve got 20 minutes to whack out a story from a press release and it’s on to the next subject. That’s the reason I quit! (Well, that and I would rather train horses…)

  • eastcoast cowboy

    Ray,

    Great reporting and many, many valid points.

    However, and there is always a however; The issue of cruelty to both horse and human by horse racing seemed to be the focal point of this terribly conceived and written series.

    By no means am I a horse racing apoligist but Luck did as much damage to our industry’s image as did Peta.

    The TV reality is that the series should have been pulled. The scripts of many of the episodes were almost unwatchable and had it not been for some well acted roles there might have been even less of an audience.

  • ThorAbian

    Excellent and accurate assessment, Ray–and imagine that, you cited actual *facts*.  PETA long has been a thorn in the flesh of horse racing, and it’s time they stop the lies.  As shown by the stats about their salaries vs. actual funding of causes, their sole motivation is to make money by condemning industries about which they know nothing.  They don’t need to know anything, because they make up the “Truth” as they go along.  I’m a rabid lover of horses, and take a strong stand against any kind of animal abuse or neglect–but PETA does not not now, nor has it ever, spoken on my behalf.  I wish that someone would sue them for every cent–surely a libel case is possible, by someone whose reputation they’ve sullied, and jobs they’ve cost.  Thank you for writing this honest, revealing piece.

  • ThorAbian

    Excellent and accurate assessment, Ray–and imagine that, you cited actual *facts*.  PETA long has been a thorn in the flesh of horse racing, and it’s time they stop the lies.  As shown by the stats about their salaries vs. actual funding of causes, their sole motivation is to make money by condemning industries about which they know nothing.  They don’t need to know anything, because they make up the “Truth” as they go along.  I’m a rabid lover of horses, and take a strong stand against any kind of animal abuse or neglect–but PETA does not not now, nor has it ever, spoken on my behalf.  I wish that someone would sue them for every cent–surely a libel case is possible, by someone whose reputation they’ve sullied, and jobs they’ve cost.  Thank you for writing this honest, revealing piece.

  • Guest

    Yes they were! Get ur facts straight.

    Outlaw Yodeler: http://www.pedigreequery.com/o

    http://www.equibase.com/premiu

    6th in a $2,000 claimer at Los Al in his final race. 

    Born 2005 18 Starts: 2 – 3 – 3, $ 25,014

    Mark’s Shadow: http://www.pedigreequery.com/m

    Born 2003: 8 Starts: 1 – 1 – 0, $ 6,955

    Why they used 9 and 7 year old retired racehorses, retreads from Los Alamitos trained by Matthew Chew, is beyond me. They were retired for a reason! 

  • Peter

    Ray,

    I enjoy all your articles, but this was the most well written peice of journalism I have ever laid my eyes on. Way to be kid.

  • Peter

    Ray,

    I enjoy all your articles, but this was the most well written peice of journalism I have ever laid my eyes on. Way to be kid.

  • http://www.winnerscirclepartners.com/ Stewart

    I second what Peter said….VERY good article.  This is how PETA operates, 1/2 truths and propaganda to make their case while they hypocritically slaughter animals at their own shelters.  They spend more more $ advertising themselves than they do caring for animals….makes it clear what their true hypocrtical and ego-driven agenda is.

  • http://www.winnerscirclepartners.com/ Stewart

    I second what Peter said….VERY good article.  This is how PETA operates, 1/2 truths and propaganda to make their case while they hypocritically slaughter animals at their own shelters.  They spend more more $ advertising themselves than they do caring for animals….makes it clear what their true hypocrtical and ego-driven agenda is.

  • Kerrymetivier

    Once again, thank you Ray for the truth. There are so many hidden agendas here it’s almost too complicated to comprehend. I have great faith in true, no noncense reporters like you and Steve Byk to get my horse racing news. I work on the front lines of this industry and sometimes we get so involved in our own day to day we fail to see the forest through the trees. Thanks for an unbiased, factual report of the news.
    Kerry M.

  • Kerrymetivier

    Once again, thank you Ray for the truth. There are so many hidden agendas here it’s almost too complicated to comprehend. I have great faith in true, no noncense reporters like you and Steve Byk to get my horse racing news. I work on the front lines of this industry and sometimes we get so involved in our own day to day we fail to see the forest through the trees. Thanks for an unbiased, factual report of the news.
    Kerry M.

  • Guest

    Outlaw Yodeler: http://www.pedigreequery.com/o…http://www.equibase.com/premiu…6th in a $2,000 claimer at Los Al in his final race. Born 2005 18 Starts: 2 – 3 – 3, $ 25,014Mark’s Shadow: http://www.pedigreequery.com/m…Born 2003: 8 Starts: 1 – 1 – 0, $ 6,955Why they used 9 and 7 year old retired racehorses, retreads from Los Alamitos trained by Matthew Chew, is beyond me. They were retired for a reason! What cannot be denied is the fact that on Seabiscuit, Secretariat, and War Horse, not a SINGLE HORSE DIED. Please explain this discrepancy…..

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    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000244251848 Glenn Craven

      When your math is this bad — 2010 (Outlaw Yodeler’s year of death) minus 2005 (his foaling date) equals 9 … WTF? — the rest of your argument is invalid.

    • Merasmag

      please explain why u keep posting the same thing OVER AND OVER AGAIN
      ru
      STUPID?…MORE THAN 1 GUEST?
      OR BOTH???
      DO I GO TO FORBES’ OR PETA’S WEBSITE SO I KNOW WHAT 2POST WHERE???
      signed-
      beentheredunthat

  • Ronb41

    I believe that the people who run Peta are overpaid idiots who  are trying to outlaw hunting, rodeos, horse racing and any other kind of sport that has any kind of animal involved in it.  If any of the people reading these posts are involved in any of these activities, I suggest that you start opposing Peta in any way you can.  I raise and race horses and I think Luck portrayed the sport fairly and I think it should continue.

  • Guest

    Outlaw Yodeler: http://www.pedigreequery.com/o… in a $2,000 claimer at Los Al in his final race. Born 2005 18 Starts: 2 – 3 – 3, $ 25,014Mark’s Shadow: http://www.pedigreequery.com/m… 2003: 8 Starts: 1 – 1 – 0, $ 6,955Why they used 9 and 7 year old retired racehorses, retreads from Los Alamitos trained by Matthew Chew, is beyond me. They were retired for a reason! What cannot be denied is the fact that on Seabiscuit, Secretariat, and War Horse, not a SINGLE HORSE DIED. Please explain this discrepancy…..

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  • Ronb41

    I believe that the people who run Peta are overpaid idiots who  are trying to outlaw hunting, rodeos, horse racing and any other kind of sport that has any kind of animal involved in it.  If any of the people reading these posts are involved in any of these activities, I suggest that you start opposing Peta in any way you can.  I raise and race horses and I think Luck portrayed the sport fairly and I think it should continue.

  • Clockerbob

    What horse has every been treated with cortisone before a breakdown?
    Or, if you saw a vet administering an illegal drug could
    you go to another vet-no-the drf-no-the stewards-no-peta-

    • Merasmag

      got any more chapters?
      i always enjoyed your stuff…

  • Clockerbob

    What horse has every been treated with cortisone before a breakdown?
    Or, if you saw a vet administering an illegal drug could
    you go to another vet-no-the drf-no-the stewards-no-peta-

  • Ronb41

     You miss PortTownGirl do not have any idea about what you are writing about. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/SaveStallions Mary Adkins-Matthews

    I do believe there are times that PETA has done some good for animals but this is a typical example of how they can do more harm than good. I too have been worried about the horses that they no longer need. Thank you Ray for finally putting some truth in this story. I know many people that have been scrambling to find the facts in stories that were far far from stating anything true. 

    I do think cancelling this show sends a bad message about racing in general. It makes it look as if horses can’t race and be safe which is not the truth. It is a shame that is came to this. I hope PETA will not only be involved with the re-homing of the horses that no longer are needed but I also hope they are willing to put some money towards this as well. 

    • Merasmag

      u r SO right…that’s what i was thinking when i posted on the original story that cancelling it was HORRIBLE FOR RACING
      u just said it like a normal person…
      tyvm 4 agreeing w/me

  • http://www.facebook.com/SaveStallions Mary Adkins-Matthews

    I do believe there are times that PETA has done some good for animals but this is a typical example of how they can do more harm than good. I too have been worried about the horses that they no longer need. Thank you Ray for finally putting some truth in this story. I know many people that have been scrambling to find the facts in stories that were far far from stating anything true. 

    I do think cancelling this show sends a bad message about racing in general. It makes it look as if horses can’t race and be safe which is not the truth. It is a shame that is came to this. I hope PETA will not only be involved with the re-homing of the horses that no longer are needed but I also hope they are willing to put some money towards this as well. 

  • http://www.thesecondrace.com/ Thesecondrace

    I appreciate so much your printing and stating the FACTS. I tried to engage and reply to the comments from the Forbes article, but one of the documents referenced did not show up when I clicked on the link.  I wanted to share some of the insight that you posted to the writer of the Forbes article that was so blantantly skewed (where was journalistic integrity?).  Even more irritating to me was that Ms. Eckhoff would be combative and argumentative with anyone that posted or tried to educate her on the facts around racehorses from the experiences of many.  She wanted NONE of it. 
    I can tell you from my own experience, that PETA and many groups with the same misguided stances, do not support any type of re-homing efforts, horse race retirement or rescue.  As I posed on my FB page after the article was written where was their public outcry when recently the Trump boys were proudly displaying the elephant and other endangered animals that they “shot” on “safari”.  We all know about the “rich man’s safari” round up some animals in a small enclosure and then shoot them with an aerial gun.

    As far as the horses I do know personally that efforts are being made through HBO and the people at Santa Anita in charge of them to have a systematic and good rehoming of each one. I understand that there are several individuals interested in adopting them already and there won’t be a rush to get them off the grounds either. My group and others have offered our services as well.

    Thanks again Ray for some journalistic integrity…..

    Sharla Sanders

  • http://www.thesecondrace.com/ Thesecondrace

    I appreciate so much your printing and stating the FACTS. I tried to engage and reply to the comments from the Forbes article, but one of the documents referenced did not show up when I clicked on the link.  I wanted to share some of the insight that you posted to the writer of the Forbes article that was so blantantly skewed (where was journalistic integrity?).  Even more irritating to me was that Ms. Eckhoff would be combative and argumentative with anyone that posted or tried to educate her on the facts around racehorses from the experiences of many.  She wanted NONE of it. 
    I can tell you from my own experience, that PETA and many groups with the same misguided stances, do not support any type of re-homing efforts, horse race retirement or rescue.  As I posed on my FB page after the article was written where was their public outcry when recently the Trump boys were proudly displaying the elephant and other endangered animals that they “shot” on “safari”.  We all know about the “rich man’s safari” round up some animals in a small enclosure and then shoot them with an aerial gun.

    As far as the horses I do know personally that efforts are being made through HBO and the people at Santa Anita in charge of them to have a systematic and good rehoming of each one. I understand that there are several individuals interested in adopting them already and there won’t be a rush to get them off the grounds either. My group and others have offered our services as well.

    Thanks again Ray for some journalistic integrity…..

    Sharla Sanders

  • http://www.thesecondrace.com/ Thesecondrace

    Those of us that know you Matt, know that you are one of the good guys and the fall out from the decision of LUCK to cancel their show, is unfortunate and misguided.   I am truly sorry that you have had to go through this mess with PETA and the uninformed public.   Any fool with a computer and a keyboard can be an “authority” and not think twice about what they are doing to others. 

  • Interested Citizen

    Thank you for the real story. I hate when this sort of thing happens. Why can’t organizations just play it straight?? There are plenty of mistreated animals, why go after the people working with animals that are not mistreated? 

  • Gfpowell

    It was unethical of them to allow the TBs to race in two scenes,which were evidently 3/8ths, when these TBs had not been in training for two years!!Even a fit horse breezes every 4 weeks at that distance or more. So I blame the “horse people” on the set including the Humane Society. They were not looking out for the TBs. The deaths gave PETA and others a ball and they ran with it however unethical it may be. My sympathy lies with the TBs and not for the show being C/A even though I will miss it. A final thought: horse racing is a tough business and good horsemanship seems hard to find these days.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000244251848 Glenn Craven

      While I would agree that it would have been a safer and more prudent course of action to use younger stock — if for no other reason that to CYA over accusations like this — it’s ridiculous to think that the horses were brought back from retirement to film LUCK without any thought given to their fitness and readiness.

      Admittedly neither of us was there to know. But you’re assuming these horses, having not raced in a few years, must have been unfit for breezing. I’m assuming these horses MUST have been breezed to achieve a level of readiness for the filming and so they’d “look the part” of a racehorse for the cameras.

      Now, which seems the more likely assumption?

    • Buuzbee

       FYI… “fit” horses in training workout weekly, not every 4 weeks and a 2 or 3 furling lick isn’t a long workout….. & coming from the “horses mouth” (pun intended!)
      Matt posted: “We had the horses examined daily, anyone of 15 people on our team 2 vets
      and 4 humane officers could pull a horse from the days work no
      questions asked. We had more than enough horses to do the job and were
      never under pressure to take chances. We used no drugs in our filming
      and passed countless random drug tests. We spent hundreds of hours
      schooling these horses for filming.”
      You are making this post like 3 horses broke down while doing racing scenes, and thats not the case at all, one did, the first in 2010.  The horse in 2011 had its leg broken from a lost shoe on a horse in front. The 3rd horse wasn’t even on the track and the injury could have happened at the track, in a breeding barn on in someones barn at their house!

      • Buuzbee

         *furlong! (cant type today! LOL)

  • Interested Citizen

    Thank you for the real story. I hate when this sort of thing happens. Why can’t organizations just play it straight?? There are plenty of mistreated animals, why go after the people working with animals that are not mistreated? 

  • Gfpowell

    It was unethical of them to allow the TBs to race in two scenes,which were evidently 3/8ths, when these TBs had not been in training for two years!!Even a fit horse breezes every 4 weeks at that distance or more. So I blame the “horse people” on the set including the Humane Society. They were not looking out for the TBs. The deaths gave PETA and others a ball and they ran with it however unethical it may be. My sympathy lies with the TBs and not for the show being C/A even though I will miss it. A final thought: horse racing is a tough business and good horsemanship seems hard to find these days.

  • PS

    In response to Thesecondrace:

    Of course PETA is supportive of retirement efforts. PETA was instrumental in formulating the recently announced Thoroughbred Aftercare Alliance which was a direct result of PETA’s Thoroughbred 360 Lifecycle Retirement Fund proposal to the Jockey Club.  

  • PS

    In response to Thesecondrace:

    Of course PETA is supportive of retirement efforts. PETA was instrumental in formulating the recently announced Thoroughbred Aftercare Alliance which was a direct result of PETA’s Thoroughbred 360 Lifecycle Retirement Fund proposal to the Jockey Club.  

  • Guest

    “Perhaps the horses selected to recreate the realistic racing scenes were simply not up to the task, physically or mentally.” What? Nine year old retreads from $2,000 claimers at Los Alamitos! 
    Article written by Tim Osterman.
    In some ways, the sudden demise of HBO’s “Luck” was not unlike that of a racehorse taking an unexpected bad
    step in mid-stretch, snapping a leg and being euthanized on the track. It was just such a scene that the show depicted so
    graphically, and so unnecessarily, in its first installment. Perhaps, there is some poetic justice there somewhere.

    Personally, I will not grieve over the departure of “Luck”. As mentioned in this space last week, I will admit to
    eventually being lured into the dark plot but that doesn’t mean I will miss watching it play out to whatever conclusion the
    writers had in mind. Here’s what one unidentified on-line poster said:

    “What a joke. I’m glad it was canceled. Mr. Milch chose to show a depressing look at life on the backstretch. He
    failed to capture the true beauty of this great game or the lifetime friendships that are born from having a love for it. No,
    Milch elected to depict the world of a bunch of drug users and addicted gamblers. The show failed in the ratings because
    Milch did not enlighten viewers on the up-lifting aspects of the greatest mind game that has ever existed.”

    Opinions seem to vary on why “Luck” was flushed. Some believe it was the ratings, although they weren’t
    disastrous by HBO standards. Most think it was intense pressure from PETA following three deaths among the horses
    (purchased privately by HBO) involved in the shooting. Still others say it was a combination of the two. High-profile
    racing people, of course, said PETA was out of line because accidents can, and do, happen. For them, it was just “bad
    luck”. However, a source from the American Humane Association (which reportedly monitors animal safety for 2,000
    productions annually) says during the past five years only one horse death occurred outside of “Luck”. Given those stats,
    “Luck” certainly had more than its share of bad luck in that regard. Perhaps the horses selected to recreate the realistic
    racing scenes were simply not up to the task, physically or mentally.

    Which only makes you wonder why, in this day and age of computer graphics and the like, producers go to the
    risk and expense of staging races to begin with. Why don’t they simply film actual races as they are being run, pick out
    the ones that best suit their purposes, edit accordingly and tweak the screenplay to fit the chosen footage? Why put any
    living thing into harm’s way unnecessarily? When racing pictures were a dime a dozen in the 1930s and 1940s, this is
    how it was done. The story moved along and no horses died. Of course, there weren’t card-carrying members of the
    Humane Association or PETA keeping tabs, for better or worse, either.

    The “Luck” fiasco obviously could not have come at a worse time while coinciding with the recent carnage in
    New York where the inner-track at Aqueduct has produced a revolting 18 fatalities during racing hours over the last 3-1/2
    months. What’s going on in the Big Apple could be a direct result of the newly-fueled slot purses where $7,500 claimers
    ran for a $32,000 pot in last Sunday’s opener. Offering purses out of line with the judged value of a claiming horses
    openly encourages trainers to drop unhealthy animals in class while trying to squeeze one more payday from them and,
    hopefully, losing them to somebody else. Inflated pots may be great for owners, trainers and jockeys but they can be a
    death knell for an infirm animal passed for duty with a wink and nod by an attending veterinarian under the thumb of some
    powerful trainer.

    In the wake of the “Luck” news, many trainers gave out the normal “we take care of these horses, they get better
    care than humans” and “a love affair exists between the people and horses in racing” type of comments that always show
    up in the face of a notable equine tragedy. They are always true, too. Unfortunately, there are also individuals out there
    who treat racehorses as out-and-out commodities and are more than willing to exploit them for profit no matter what
    measures are required. If there were some sort of “I-truly-love-horses” litmus test available for potential trainers, owners
    and jockeys to pass before being issued a license, that would be great. But, of course, there is not. The good, the bad
    and the ugly can all become trainers and horses have no voice to bring charges against those who mistreat them for
    money.

    The good-old-boy mentality of the sport leads to an enabling world where heads are turned and evil is neither
    heard nor spoken on the backside. Unfortunately, this is also the case in just about every facet of our flawed society from
    the politicians who run things to the groups that enforce their laws to the Joe the Plumbers who cheat on their taxes. Ours
    has become a society where it’s perfectly acceptable to lie, cheat and steal, as long as you don’t get caught. Even then,
    it’s OK if you’re rich enough to hire the right lawyer.

    In the end, people carry the burden of trying to do the right thing. Many do it every damn day, others do it when
    the feel like it and there are those who never even think about doing it.

    Life will go on without “Luck” but there is the lingering thought that racing was the victim in this brief interlude.
    After all, there are a thousand stories in the naked city, “Luck” was just one of them and it wasn’t all that good. On the
    positive side, “the uplifting aspects of the greatest mind game that every existed” remain intact. They just aren’t on HBO,
    never were. 

    • Don Reed

      Ray Paulick, Brad Cummings, and Staff:

      The above demonstrates, again, is why it is absolutely imperative that your Disqus system has to be fixed so that people using “Microsoft’s Operating System 7″ – where they first compose their thoughts – and USE SPELL-CHECK – can transpose (“cut & paste”) what they write onto this system, without the resulting visual imbroglio, above.

      I believe, last summer, in a report about Del Mar, the theme of “composition” was championed both by Del Mar’s long-time CEO and the Paulick Report, in tandem.

      And rightly so.

      Nine months later, why does it count for nothing?

    • Merasmag

      a link wooda been helpful…give credit blahblahblah…although i will probably be in the minority i agree with lots of what he wrote…
      HOWEVER…
      IS THERE A POOL ON HOW LONG IT’S GONNA TAKE FOR PETA OR FORBES TO POST SOMETHING SAYING “a poster on respected horseracing site “the paulick report” wrote”…and then quote their own chain letter?

      im sorta hopin my postin that cuts such BS off at the pass…so u can thank me in advance mrreedetal
      poor malcolm must b spinnin in his grave

  • Guest

    “Perhaps the horses selected to recreate the realistic racing scenes were simply not up to the task, physically or mentally.” What? Nine year old retreads from $2,000 claimers at Los Alamitos! 
    Article written by Tim Osterman.
    In some ways, the sudden demise of HBO’s “Luck” was not unlike that of a racehorse taking an unexpected bad
    step in mid-stretch, snapping a leg and being euthanized on the track. It was just such a scene that the show depicted so
    graphically, and so unnecessarily, in its first installment. Perhaps, there is some poetic justice there somewhere.

    Personally, I will not grieve over the departure of “Luck”. As mentioned in this space last week, I will admit to
    eventually being lured into the dark plot but that doesn’t mean I will miss watching it play out to whatever conclusion the
    writers had in mind. Here’s what one unidentified on-line poster said:

    “What a joke. I’m glad it was canceled. Mr. Milch chose to show a depressing look at life on the backstretch. He
    failed to capture the true beauty of this great game or the lifetime friendships that are born from having a love for it. No,
    Milch elected to depict the world of a bunch of drug users and addicted gamblers. The show failed in the ratings because
    Milch did not enlighten viewers on the up-lifting aspects of the greatest mind game that has ever existed.”

    Opinions seem to vary on why “Luck” was flushed. Some believe it was the ratings, although they weren’t
    disastrous by HBO standards. Most think it was intense pressure from PETA following three deaths among the horses
    (purchased privately by HBO) involved in the shooting. Still others say it was a combination of the two. High-profile
    racing people, of course, said PETA was out of line because accidents can, and do, happen. For them, it was just “bad
    luck”. However, a source from the American Humane Association (which reportedly monitors animal safety for 2,000
    productions annually) says during the past five years only one horse death occurred outside of “Luck”. Given those stats,
    “Luck” certainly had more than its share of bad luck in that regard. Perhaps the horses selected to recreate the realistic
    racing scenes were simply not up to the task, physically or mentally.

    Which only makes you wonder why, in this day and age of computer graphics and the like, producers go to the
    risk and expense of staging races to begin with. Why don’t they simply film actual races as they are being run, pick out
    the ones that best suit their purposes, edit accordingly and tweak the screenplay to fit the chosen footage? Why put any
    living thing into harm’s way unnecessarily? When racing pictures were a dime a dozen in the 1930s and 1940s, this is
    how it was done. The story moved along and no horses died. Of course, there weren’t card-carrying members of the
    Humane Association or PETA keeping tabs, for better or worse, either.

    The “Luck” fiasco obviously could not have come at a worse time while coinciding with the recent carnage in
    New York where the inner-track at Aqueduct has produced a revolting 18 fatalities during racing hours over the last 3-1/2
    months. What’s going on in the Big Apple could be a direct result of the newly-fueled slot purses where $7,500 claimers
    ran for a $32,000 pot in last Sunday’s opener. Offering purses out of line with the judged value of a claiming horses
    openly encourages trainers to drop unhealthy animals in class while trying to squeeze one more payday from them and,
    hopefully, losing them to somebody else. Inflated pots may be great for owners, trainers and jockeys but they can be a
    death knell for an infirm animal passed for duty with a wink and nod by an attending veterinarian under the thumb of some
    powerful trainer.

    In the wake of the “Luck” news, many trainers gave out the normal “we take care of these horses, they get better
    care than humans” and “a love affair exists between the people and horses in racing” type of comments that always show
    up in the face of a notable equine tragedy. They are always true, too. Unfortunately, there are also individuals out there
    who treat racehorses as out-and-out commodities and are more than willing to exploit them for profit no matter what
    measures are required. If there were some sort of “I-truly-love-horses” litmus test available for potential trainers, owners
    and jockeys to pass before being issued a license, that would be great. But, of course, there is not. The good, the bad
    and the ugly can all become trainers and horses have no voice to bring charges against those who mistreat them for
    money.

    The good-old-boy mentality of the sport leads to an enabling world where heads are turned and evil is neither
    heard nor spoken on the backside. Unfortunately, this is also the case in just about every facet of our flawed society from
    the politicians who run things to the groups that enforce their laws to the Joe the Plumbers who cheat on their taxes. Ours
    has become a society where it’s perfectly acceptable to lie, cheat and steal, as long as you don’t get caught. Even then,
    it’s OK if you’re rich enough to hire the right lawyer.

    In the end, people carry the burden of trying to do the right thing. Many do it every damn day, others do it when
    the feel like it and there are those who never even think about doing it.

    Life will go on without “Luck” but there is the lingering thought that racing was the victim in this brief interlude.
    After all, there are a thousand stories in the naked city, “Luck” was just one of them and it wasn’t all that good. On the
    positive side, “the uplifting aspects of the greatest mind game that every existed” remain intact. They just aren’t on HBO,
    never were. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000244251848 Glenn Craven

    I applaud the work, Ray. I started to comment here, but it got lengthy (as I’m wont to do) and I decided to blog it instead. http://bit.ly/GKhIuP

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000244251848 Glenn Craven

    I applaud the work, Ray. I started to comment here, but it got lengthy (as I’m wont to do) and I decided to blog it instead. http://bit.ly/GKhIuP

  • http://www.facebook.com/SaveStallions Mary Adkins-Matthews

    Outlaw Yodeler only had 18 lifetime starts and Marc’s Shadow had 8 starts These horses were hardly what anyone would consider used up or needing to be retired. They were simply not fast race horses that fell into lower claiming races due to these reasons. 

    It was also stated that the 2 vets ( NOT ONE but TWO) including one independent vet had checked the horses and they were not drugged. 

    I think the facts are straight and should not be twisted 

  • Lanetwetz

    Unfortunately, there are too many bad apples in the training ranks. These guys (& gals) continue to treat owners as their personal ATM machines, little more than ignorant pigeons to be fleeced for all that they’re worth. Some horsemen, in fact, seem to think that knowing the difference between a fetlock and a pastern places them on a higher societal plain than other beings. Not all, mind you, but far too many.

  • PortTownGirl

     I know exactly what I am writing about.

  • Guest

    http://www.equibase.com/premium/eqbPDFChartPlus.cfm?BORP=P&STYLE=EQB&DAY=D&tid=LA&dt=01/23/2010&ctry=USA&race=1

    Why exactly is PETA getting all the blame? WTF kind of an idiot uses very old, retired racehorses for this? 

    Yes, this horse ran up the track in a $2,000 claimer at Los Alamitos. Where is the outrage!???

    http://www.equibase.com/premium/eqbPDFChartPlus.cfm?BORP=P&STYLE=EQB&DAY=D&tid=LA&dt=01/23/2010&ctry=USA&race=1

  • Guest

    http://www.equibase.com/premiu

    Why exactly is PETA getting all the blame? WTF kind of an idiot uses very old, retired racehorses for this? 

    Yes, this horse ran up the track in a $2,000 claimer at Los Alamitos. Where is the outrage!???

    http://www.equibase.com/premiu

  • Don Reed

    Oh, if only my conscience would allow me to join and support PETA.

    I could say whatever came to mind, and not have to back it up with documentation.

    I could cheaply grandstand and yet, be regarded as a selfless hero. 

    In fact, I could pass myself off as someone concerned with the welfare of others, instead of actually fulfilling my actual goal of glorifying myself.

    • stillriledup

       Bingo!

  • GUEST

    18 starts for a nine year old? well yes, that must mean he was sound. 

    By the way, how is it that no horses died on War Horse, Seabiscuit, and Secretariat, yet THREE died on this show? 

    Please explain how the producers, trainers, and studio executives did their job properly. 

  • Don Reed

    Oh, if only my conscience would allow me to join and support PETA.

    I could say whatever came to mind, and not have to back it up with documentation.

    I could cheaply grandstand and yet, be regarded as a selfless hero. 

    In fact, I could pass myself off as someone concerned with the welfare of others, instead of actually fulfilling my actual goal of glorifying myself.

  • Guest

    “Perhaps the horses selected to recreate the realistic racing scenes were simply not up to the task, physically or mentally.”
    NO KIDDING!

    http://www.equibase.com/premium/eqbPDFChartPlus.cfm?BORP=P&STYLE=EQB&DAY=D&tid=LA&dt=01/23/2010&ctry=USA&race=1

  • Don Reed

    “Merasmag” is French slag - for “Self-mezmerized.”

    Makes sense.

  • Guest

    “Perhaps the horses selected to recreate the realistic racing scenes were simply not up to the task, physically or mentally.”
    NO KIDDING!

    http://www.equibase.com/premiu

  • Don Reed

    Your comments are feeding the suspicion that there are three parties in this bed; the first two being admitted due to unconscionable business practices, and the third, yourself, being given a pass because the velvet rope bouncer admires your resemblence to the first two admitted.

  • Barry Irwin

    I don’t know what is more difficult: to accurately recreate racing scene or maintain safety while doing so. “Luck” was a beautifully filmed series, but when they showed racing scene, the quality just didn’t carry over, because of the near impossibility of the task at hand. “Seabiscuit” had the best professionals in the game and they tried their hardest, but even those racing scenes didn’t look real, whereas the rest of the movie was visually stunning.

  • Barry Irwin

    I don’t know what is more difficult: to accurately recreate racing scene or maintain safety while doing so. “Luck” was a beautifully filmed series, but when they showed racing scene, the quality just didn’t carry over, because of the near impossibility of the task at hand. “Seabiscuit” had the best professionals in the game and they tried their hardest, but even those racing scenes didn’t look real, whereas the rest of the movie was visually stunning.

  • Don Reed

    I’ve read this three times. 

    I still can’t fathom what you’re trying to say.

    If you’d like to elaborate, can we have your sources (names, date written, and where found) on “conflicting reports”?

    If you want to contribute further, who are “the ones doing the telling”?

    That would mean stating the full and legal names of the people that you’re currently quoting as anonymous speakers.

    Otherwise, this is a swamp of nouns and verbs.

  • Don Reed

    FL, I hate to burst your convenient bubble (impersonating thought), but there is no “media , the media who controls the thoughts/opinions of this nation.”

  • Don Reed

    Ray Paulick, Brad Cummings, and Staff:

    The above demonstrates, again, is why it is absolutely imperative that your Disqus system has to be fixed so that people using “Microsoft’s Operating System 7″ – where they first compose their thoughts – and USE SPELL-CHECK – can transpose (“cut & paste”) what they write onto this system, without the resulting visual imbroglio, above.

    I believe, last summer, in a report about Del Mar, the theme of “composition” was championed both by Del Mar’s long-time CEO and the Paulick Report, in tandem.

    And rightly so.

    Nine months later, why does it count for nothing?

  • http://4petsonline.com/ Anne Pottinger

    Maybe you would also be interested in this link:  http://www.petakillsanimals.com/
    PETA is an organization far removed from normally accepted ethics. They are a big money organization, preying on the misinformed. I’ve displayed a direct link to PETA Kills Animals on my animal blog: http://4petsonline.com for many years.

  • http://4petsonline.com/ Anne Pottinger

    Maybe you would also be interested in this link:  http://www.petakillsanimals.co
    PETA is an organization far removed from normally accepted ethics. They are a big money organization, preying on the misinformed. I’ve displayed a direct link to PETA Kills Animals on my animal blog: http://4petsonline.com for many years.

  • Don Reed

    Looks like we have a genuine reporter convention here (Grarick’s previous comments the NYT could not be faked).  God bless, to you both.

    [Non-reporter.]

  • Guest

     18 deaths at Aqueduct this winter. 18 Of 74 Horses – 24 Percent Have Been Scratched 3/21/12 at Aqueduct3 horses died filming a frivolous TV show. Aaah, might as well cast aspersions on PETA. 

  • Guest

     18 deaths at Aqueduct this winter. 18 Of 74 Horses – 24 Percent Have Been Scratched 3/21/12 at Aqueduct3 horses died filming a frivolous TV show. Aaah, might as well cast aspersions on PETA. 

  • HONDO92

    PETA DOESNT CARE ABOUT THE JOBS LOST DUE TO CANCELLATION AND FALSE LIES, THEY SHOULD BE ASHAMED AND FIND HOMES FOR THE HORSES AND PEOPLE WHO LOST JOBS

  • Colours

    This seems to be lazy journalism. PETA reported on three unnecessary deaths of horses used to make a pointless drama glamorizing one of the most corrupt and exploitative of “sports”, one in which animals are routinely whipped to entertain humans. I love the way people who are involved in making money by exploiting animals get so threatened by PETA – obviously it is very effective. The most shocking revelation you could find about PETA was that it pays its staff? Really? So do most organizations, I think you will find, if you do your homework.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000244251848 Glenn Craven

      Colours: Go to YouTube and watch the PETA episode of Penn & Teller’s show “Bu11$hit!” It will tell you all you ever needed to know about PETA, quite possibly the least ethical and least reputable major charity in the United States.

    • Merasmag

      ANOTHER GREAT (SELF-EDITED)ING 1ST POST!!!

      CAN THE PAULICK REPORT SAVE RACING BY EXPOSING THESE METHODS WHILE THE IRON IS HOT?
      no pun intended…

  • HONDO92

    PETA DOESNT CARE ABOUT THE JOBS LOST DUE TO CANCELLATION AND FALSE LIES, THEY SHOULD BE ASHAMED AND FIND HOMES FOR THE HORSES AND PEOPLE WHO LOST JOBS

  • stillriledup

    Excellent post, couldnt agree more.

  • Colours

    This seems to be lazy journalism. PETA reported on three unnecessary deaths of horses used to make a pointless drama glamorizing one of the most corrupt and exploitative of “sports”, one in which animals are routinely whipped to entertain humans. I love the way people who are involved in making money by exploiting animals get so threatened by PETA – obviously it is very effective. The most shocking revelation you could find about PETA was that it pays its staff? Really? So do most organizations, I think you will find, if you do your homework.

  • Another Guest

    Yo, “Guest”…get your facts straight if you’re going to try arguing with the big boys.

    Outlaw Yodeler was FIVE when he took a bad step in 2010, not nine. And he had run his final race just four months earlier…in $2K claiming company at Los Al. The argument could even be made that “Luck” gave him a job, a second career, when he otherwise could have been shipped off to Mexico for a gruesome fate after his racing career had dwindled to this point.

    Did you even read Ray’s article before posting?

  • http://www.facebook.com/SaveStallions Mary Adkins-Matthews

    2 vets said he was sound.. did they both lie?  I don’t think we know for sure if there were horses that died or were injured on those shows. I think this HBO show that was about racing was put under a microscope and perhaps the others shows were not. 

  • Guest

    If he took a bad step then he was pasture sound. NOT race, or tv-race sound.

    Again, why no deaths on Seabiscuit, Secretariat, and War Horse? Aaah, proper training of the proper horses, I suppose.

    “The argument could even be made that “Luck” gave him a job, a second career, when he otherwise could have been shipped off to Mexico for a gruesome fate after his racing career had dwindled to this point.” WHAT A FALLACIOUS ARGUMENT. 

    How old was Mark’s Shadow? 

  • Shelley

    Thanks for clarifying. What people who aren’t involved on a daily basis don’t realize is that horses are accident prone and even on their own out in a large safe pasture they will find a way to get hurt.. Sometimes fatally so. Those of us that work with them realize that we have to spend every waking hour trying to protect them from themselves and sometimes much to our sadness even that doesn’t keep the tragic from happening.

    The American Thoroughbred .. Beautiful, fast and self destructive.

    Shelley
    Winchester, KY

    • JC

       Most of us possess awareness regarding how delicate these horses can be.  Slightly off-topic, but then there is stuff like this–from a monthly update letter I receive from a lady who cares for rescue horses(some of whom I sponsor): 

      “We got a call about a racehorse(JC–I don’t know which track) in really bad shape that had won over $260,000(JC–admittedly, not Curlin but this is still impressive winning) and was now crippled.  The woman that saved him before he went off to slaughter didn’t have the finances to put him down.  (We) paid to have the vet evaluate him.  The vet decided the most humane option was to put him down. He had gone too long without proper vet care and was suffering.  It was utterly tragic but at least he had a humane ending.” 

      I cried when I first read this, because had he been able to survive, I would have been willing to sponsor him too.  I’m getting ready to send this lady a donation to care for a horse of hers(rescued) that was also a racehorse that had been pin-fired. 

      HOW MANY STORIES LIKE THIS ARE GOING TO BE ENOUGH?!!! 

      So yes, I agree they are delicate but some people truly need to get a grip, not to mention grow a heart and conscience. 

    • Dprdpr

      Three cheers for Winchester, KY.  We’ve been there twice, and on Main Street, there is the best diner seen in a long time.  A nice place to visit, indeed.

  • Shelley

    Thanks for clarifying. What people who aren’t involved on a daily basis don’t realize is that horses are accident prone and even on their own out in a large safe pasture they will find a way to get hurt.. Sometimes fatally so. Those of us that work with them realize that we have to spend every waking hour trying to protect them from themselves and sometimes much to our sadness even that doesn’t keep the tragic from happening.

    The American Thoroughbred .. Beautiful, fast and self destructive.

    Shelley
    Winchester, KY

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000244251848 Glenn Craven

    While I would agree that it would have been a safer and more prudent course of action to use younger stock — if for no other reason that to CYA over accusations like this — it’s ridiculous to think that the horses were brought back from retirement to film LUCK without any thought given to their fitness and readiness.

    Admittedly neither of us was there to know. But you’re assuming these horses, having not raced in a few years, must have been unfit for breezing. I’m assuming these horses MUST have been breezed to achieve a level of readiness for the filming and so they’d “look the part” of a racehorse for the cameras.

    Now, which seems the more likely assumption?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000244251848 Glenn Craven

    If HBO decided that PETA’s complaints and the horse deaths were just a convenient opportunity to “jump ship” on a disappointing show, the network did so only a couple of weeks after ordering episodes for an entire Season 2. … So either your assumption is wrong, or somebody at HBO had a serious case of buyer’s remorse not very long at all after making that purchase.

  • Guest

    Rick Arthur and Gary Beck are paid tools. Rick Arthur? The guy that couldn’t get a job on the backstretch so he had to take a Government job? 

    Rick Arthur, the guy who heel-nerved Mandella’s horse? 

    And yes, we know for sure that there were no deaths on Seabiscuit, Secretariat, or War Horse.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000244251848 Glenn Craven

    Colours: Go to YouTube and watch the PETA episode of Penn & Teller’s show “Bu11$hit!” It will tell you all you ever needed to know about PETA, quite possibly the least ethical and least reputable major charity in the United States.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000244251848 Glenn Craven

    Neither horse was 9 years old.

    Outlaw Yodeler who made the 18 lifetime starts was 5 when he died in the show’s care in 2010. (JEEZ, do the math, foaled in 2005). Marc’s Shadow was the senior citizen at 8 when he died filming a scene in 2011, having not competed since 2007.

    I can find NO reason not to use Outlaw Yodeler for the production. I would think they could have found a younger horse than Marc’s Shadow — but then again, there are horses winning stakes races as 8-year-olds and older every year. Talent, likely not soundness, took this horse off the track, and in these racing scenes the horses were running for short distances against other horses of similar ability, or lack thereof.

    I think it’s fallacious to assume that neither horse was fit to “race” for three-eighths during filming. Far more likely is that the horses had to be breezed-up to participating in the show, so they WOULD be able to run a bit (for limited distances in similar “retired” company) and so they’d look the part of a racehorse on camera.

    Three horses died during production of “Luck,” between 2010 and early 2012. One apparently tripped over his own feet on the way back to the barn (could happen after any horse show or trail ride), one flipped while being led by a groom (could happen to almost any horse, anywhere) and one apparently broke down during actual filming. … Three dissimilar incidents and two of them seeming to be outright accident.

    The horses were vetted before participating, EACH DAY they filmed. The American Humane Association supervised filming — the same group that supervised “Seabiscuit” and “Secretariat.”

    As for “War Horse,” let’s be realistic; the majority of “dangerous” scenes in that movie were Hollywood magic. For example, barbed-wire scene was an animatronic horse wrapped in rubber wire, plus a lot of CGI.

    Honestly, the makers of “Seabiscuit” and “Secretariat” in no small part got lucky. Every time even one horse runs a circuit around a racetrack, he might break down and die. Put him in the company of six or eight or 10 other racehorses running 30 mph and a tragedy is inevitable.

    This doesn’t mean I don’t take seriously the deaths of the horses on the “Luck” set. They hit home hard with anyone who cares about animals, particularly racehorses. And, there might have been other steps the producers could have taken to better insure horse welfare.

    But you’d better believe at least a bit of good luck played a role in “Seabiscuit” and “Secretariat” escaping production with no fatalities, and that a run of seriously bad luck, doomed “Luck.”

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000244251848 Glenn Craven

    I’ll also refer you to the Penn & Teller “Bu11$hit!” episode on PETA, arguably one of the least ethical and effective charities in America. … They’re effective at raking in $35 million a year in donations while killing 95 percent of the animals they “rescue,” though. Those are facts, from the organization’s own documents.

  • http://www.facebook.com/kyle.stasierowski Kyle Stasierowski

                                          Dear Mr. Paulick,

                                           I couldn’t agree more with you in regards to the cancellation of

                                           Luck. In my opinion the people with PETA should keep their

                                            noses out of horse racing because in a lot of cases the

                                             racehorse is treated better than some humans.

                                                              Sincerely,

                                                                  Kyle Stasierowski

                                                                  27-year-old loyal TVG viewer,

                                                                  HRTV Live Feed viewer,

                                                                  TVG Community member, and your FaceBook

                                                                  friend from Alden, New York

  • http://www.facebook.com/kyle.stasierowski Kyle Stasierowski

                                          Dear Mr. Paulick,

                                           I couldn’t agree more with you in regards to the cancellation of

                                           Luck. In my opinion the people with PETA should keep their

                                            noses out of horse racing because in a lot of cases the

                                             racehorse is treated better than some humans.

                                                              Sincerely,

                                                                  Kyle Stasierowski

                                                                  27-year-old loyal TVG viewer,

                                                                  HRTV Live Feed viewer,

                                                                  TVG Community member, and your FaceBook

                                                                  friend from Alden, New York

  • MA

    FWIW, the same trainers that did “Luck” also did “Seabiscuit.”

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000244251848 Glenn Craven

    When your math is this bad — 2010 (Outlaw Yodeler’s year of death) minus 2005 (his foaling date) equals 9 … WTF? — the rest of your argument is invalid.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1790394092 Jay Teske

    PeTA is nothing more these days than a political propaganda machine.  A machine used to make money.  Plain and simple.  They are NOT about animal advocacy.  Other than making the world vegan, they do not care about the welfare of animals– and their own record for killing animals is abysmal.  Truly abysmal.

    With all their millions raked in yearly thru private donations, PeTA still can’t find the time, or expend the effort, to re-home thousands of adoptable dogs, cats, puppies, and kittens it takes in yearly.  In 2011, PeTA killed 97% of the animals it took into its shelter “for the purposes of re-homing.”

    Given PeTA’s own record, they have no moral, or ethical, grounds to be preaching to anyone.  That the “e” in “PeTA” is lowercase it fitting.  In reality, there’s no “ethics” at all in what they do.

    Read more here:
    http://www.nathanwinograd.com/… 

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1790394092 Jay Teske

    PeTA is nothing more these days than a political propaganda machine.  A machine used to make money.  Plain and simple.  They are NOT about animal advocacy.  Other than making the world vegan, they do not care about the welfare of animals– and their own record for killing animals is abysmal.  Truly abysmal.

    With all their millions raked in yearly thru private donations, PeTA still can’t find the time, or expend the effort, to re-home thousands of adoptable dogs, cats, puppies, and kittens it takes in yearly.  In 2011, PeTA killed 97% of the animals it took into its shelter “for the purposes of re-homing.”

    Given PeTA’s own record, they have no moral, or ethical, grounds to be preaching to anyone.  That the “e” in “PeTA” is lowercase it fitting.  In reality, there’s no “ethics” at all in what they do.

    Read more here:
    http://www.nathanwinograd.com/?p=8651 

    • stillriledup

       Good stuff Jay.

      I’m no PeTA expert and i don’t know what they do behind the scenes, but the vibe i get from them is that they HATE HUMANS. They pretend to like animals, but that seems to even be in doubt after reading all the stuff that Jay and others have posted here. This organization screams from the mountaintops and they don’t seem to care if their facts are straight or which human beings they trample on the way to their brand of justice.

      If PeTA cares so much about the horse racing industry and the equine deaths, why don’t they step up and help out?

      Is PeTA going to ‘go away’ once they get sick and tired of bashing the racing industry or are they going to stick around for the long haul and get into the trenches WITH the racing industry and try and find a solution to the problems that they want solved?

  • Lakepeeple

    Peta, Damn you!!! Overdramatic,  off-based, and pathethetic. I have been in this industry for all 59 years of my life and have never seen anyone involved as far off base as you and your group. These happy horses are treated like your own children…200 years of racing and all of a sudden tree huggers appear…May you grow fangs and bite yourself. What a JOKE. Sad, very sad

  • Lakepeeple

    Peta, Damn you!!! Overdramatic,  off-based, and pathethetic. I have been in this industry for all 59 years of my life and have never seen anyone involved as far off base as you and your group. These happy horses are treated like your own children…200 years of racing and all of a sudden tree huggers appear…May you grow fangs and bite yourself. What a JOKE. Sad, very sad

  • JC

    My thanks again to Rachel for putting this link in another post. 

    Some of the same people may have worked on the Seabiscuit, Secretariat, and War Horse sets as “Luck” but TV series has a vastly different rating than the movies do.  I’d love to know why that is–the site does provide some information to this effect. 

    http://www.americanhumanefilmtv.org/film-makersproducers/

  • JC

    My thanks again to Rachel for putting this link in another post. 

    Some of the same people may have worked on the Seabiscuit, Secretariat, and War Horse sets as “Luck” but TV series has a vastly different rating than the movies do.  I’d love to know why that is–the site does provide some information to this effect. 

    http://www.americanhumanefilmt

  • JC

     Most of us possess awareness regarding how delicate these horses can be.  Slightly off-topic, but then there is stuff like this–from a monthly update letter I receive from a lady who cares for rescue horses(some of whom I sponsor): 

    “We got a call about a racehorse(JC–I don’t know which track) in really bad shape that had won over $260,000(JC–admittedly, not Curlin but this is still impressive winning) and was now crippled.  The woman that saved him before he went off to slaughter didn’t have the finances to put him down.  (We) paid to have the vet evaluate him.  The vet decided the most humane option was to put him down. He had gone too long without proper vet care and was suffering.  It was utterly tragic but at least he had a humane ending.” 

    I cried when I first read this, because had he been able to survive, I would have been willing to sponsor him too.  I’m getting ready to send this lady a donation to care for a horse of hers(rescued) that was also a racehorse that had been pin-fired. 

    HOW MANY STORIES LIKE THIS ARE GOING TO BE ENOUGH?!!! 

    So yes, I agree they are delicate but some people truly need to get a grip, not to mention grow a heart and conscience. 

  • Dprdpr

    Three cheers for Winchester, KY.  We’ve been there twice, and on Main Street, there is the best diner seen in a long time.  A nice place to visit, indeed.

  • Merasmag

    tyvm mr. craven…corporate america will dump a show rather than face a boycott…one day its parents against something, the next its republicans, then peta. maybe the ntra should have sponsored luck.

  • Merasmag

    i must maintain radiosilence so as knot2incriminate myself

    but…i am fascinating

  • Guest

    WHERE THE EFF IS THE OUTRAGE! 

    Can we also blame PETA for the apparent demise of Advice? 
    Advice won the Coolmore Lexington ($200,000) and ran 13th in the 2009 Kentucky Derby. 

    He is running in a $3,000 claiming race at Turf Paradise on Friday. NEXT STOP…?

    UNTIL OUR HORSES ARE PROTECTED FROM THIS CRAP, THERE WILL BE PLENTY OF GRIST FOR THE PETA MILL. LOOK IN THE MIRROR FOLKS! http://www.equibase.com/premium/eqbHorseInfo.cfm?refno=7694361&registry=T

    • Guest
    • Merasmag

      ummm…advice is alive…would u like to buy him?

      • Guest

        What kind of moronic comment is this?

        You remind me of the monsters running around the WVA and Penn tracks.

        Why shouldn’t Winstar (owner/breeder thru Kentucky Derby) step up to the plate…???

        • Merasmag

          its not the winstar it usta b

    • Save Advice

      The casual fan or horse owner should not have to protect a former Derby horse.  The owners or breeders who cheered Advice to the Coolmore Lexington win and in the Derby should make sure that he stays alive.  I contacted WinStar Farm back in October about his situation, so let’s hope they step up to the plate and do the right thing. 

    • Animaldoc

      I heard today that Advice is going to New Vocations….

  • Guest

    WHERE THE EFF IS THE OUTRAGE! 

    Can we also blame PETA for the apparent demise of Advice? 
    Advice won the Coolmore Lexington ($200,000) and ran 13th in the 2009 Kentucky Derby. 

    He is running in a $3,000 claiming race at Turf Paradise on Friday. NEXT STOP…?

    UNTIL OUR HORSES ARE PROTECTED FROM THIS CRAP, THERE WILL BE PLENTY OF GRIST FOR THE PETA MILL. LOOK IN THE MIRROR FOLKS! http://www.equibase.com/premiu…®istry=T

  • Guest
  • Merasmag

    ditto

  • Greyfel

    Your statement “what becomes of those 45 horses who found second careers is anyone’s guess” is telling. If the producers of LUCK, or the owners or the trainer or the veterinarians were so concerned about their welfare they would see to it that those horses found good homes after the series. After all, LUCK was not going to be a permanent situation for the actors or the horses.
    As far as PETA is concerned, you may be correct that they jump to conclusions and should investigate more thoroughly before villifying people. HOWEVER, that does not erase the fact that PETA is a voice for those who have no voice. PETA has uncovered many terrible situations of neglect and abuse in many industries, dairy farms, laboratories, shelters,and race courses.
    I do not wish to see anyone falsely accused, especially those who did no wrong. It would be good if we could know the truth about what happened instead of hearing so many different versions.
    I would prefer to be on the side of over kill than to do nothing and ignore neglect or cruelty or stupidity.

  • Greyfel

    Your statement “what becomes of those 45 horses who found second careers is anyone’s guess” is telling. If the producers of LUCK, or the owners or the trainer or the veterinarians were so concerned about their welfare they would see to it that those horses found good homes after the series. After all, LUCK was not going to be a permanent situation for the actors or the horses.
    As far as PETA is concerned, you may be correct that they jump to conclusions and should investigate more thoroughly before villifying people. HOWEVER, that does not erase the fact that PETA is a voice for those who have no voice. PETA has uncovered many terrible situations of neglect and abuse in many industries, dairy farms, laboratories, shelters,and race courses.
    I do not wish to see anyone falsely accused, especially those who did no wrong. It would be good if we could know the truth about what happened instead of hearing so many different versions.
    I would prefer to be on the side of over kill than to do nothing and ignore neglect or cruelty or stupidity.

  • Merasmag

    i believe peta has worked against horse-drawn carriages in nyc and i support that…horrible things go on with what are almost literally “poor ole windbags” here in chicago
    thanx for the nightmares

  • LongTimeEconomist

    Then give us the source of those “conflicting reports”.

  • Merasmag

    and, if i were picky, i’d point out it takes a good speller 2b a bad1

  • Merasmag

    every station in chicago gets its news from u-tube

  • LongTimeEconomist

    Based on some of Joe Drape’s articles in recent years, I’m not sure that he’d make much effort to get clarification in the NYTimes.

  • Nosyjme

    Sorry Matt… We in the INDUSTRY know what skumbags the peta people are and I have no doubts that you or anyone else related to the care and training of these “actor” has done anything wrong… I think what some people NEED to realize is that you don’t have a DAY JOB–Horseracing IS your job and without taking the best possible care of the horses, you don’t have a job!   It is a shame that there were three FREAK accidents over a period of what like a year on the set…?

  • Nosyjme

    Sorry Matt… We in the INDUSTRY know what skumbags the peta people are and I have no doubts that you or anyone else related to the care and training of these “actor” has done anything wrong… I think what some people NEED to realize is that you don’t have a DAY JOB–Horseracing IS your job and without taking the best possible care of the horses, you don’t have a job!   It is a shame that there were three FREAK accidents over a period of what like a year on the set…?

  • Merasmag

    wtf is that supposed2mean??? UR against national regulation???
    oh yeah…i believe mayb u said u were…

    but i appreciate all the attention…i gotta get me a column…

  • Merasmag

    mr. craven is again making sense…unlike you

  • Merasmag

    THAT IS A MF-ING EXCELLENT FIRST POST!!!

  • Digger_20715

    Great article Ray. I thought I would wake up somebody, keep rollin w/the truth!

  • Digger_20715

    Great article Ray. I thought I would wake up somebody, keep rollin w/the truth!

  • Merasmag

    i sprained my ankle 30 years ago but i can still run…not 48flat but good enuf

  • Merasmag

    hbo, and hbo alone, is the one that caved

  • Merasmag

    please explain why u keep posting the same thing OVER AND OVER AGAIN
    ru
    STUPID?…MORE THAN 1 GUEST?
    OR BOTH???
    DO I GO TO FORBES’ OR PETA’S WEBSITE SO I KNOW WHAT 2POST WHERE???
    signed-
    beentheredunthat

  • Vee

    If PETA has it way and ends humans using animals for entertainment, what does it think is going to happen to all the animals??? Are we just supposed to turn them all loose?

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Barbara-Griffith/1386223362 Barbara Griffith

       No, stop breeding them.

  • Vee

    If PETA has it way and ends humans using animals for entertainment, what does it think is going to happen to all the animals??? Are we just supposed to turn them all loose?

  • Merasmag

    got any more chapters?
    i always enjoyed your stuff…

  • Merasmag

    u r SO right…that’s what i was thinking when i posted on the original story that cancelling it was HORRIBLE FOR RACING
    u just said it like a normal person…
    tyvm 4 agreeing w/me

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000244251848 Glenn Craven

    Which, I believe, was my point.

  • dh

    Maybe they should have filmed LUCK on the outer track.

  • dh

    Maybe they should have filmed LUCK on the outer track.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Barbara-Griffith/1386223362 Barbara Griffith

    Mr.Paulick

    Could you please give me your opinion of horse slaughter? I don’t belong to Peta but I’m sure you have seen my comments on this blog regarding thousands of these thoroughbreds being sent to slaughter plants in Canada/Mexico and in the US when they were operating here. A study just came out which said that 70% of the thoroughbred foal crop each year ends up in the slaughter pipeline.  Just this past week a gray off the track thoroughbred  mare was found at a auction by a northern California based rescue that bought her and from the tatoo number under her upper lip she was identified and was last raced in 2009, there was a photo. This horse was skin and bones so whatever she was being used for she wasn’t in the money so she was thrown on the trash pile like so many others. And could you also tell me what your opinion is of the “National Thoroughbred Racing Association” hiring lobbyists to try to kill the bills in congress that would put a stop to US horses being sent to slaughter plants in Canada/Mexico to be killed?? One lobbying organization called Alpine Group. Inc was hired to the tune of $50,000 and that number is just the tip of the iceberg. I’m looking at a copy of the lobbying report, I can give you the senate ID number if you want it.  If they have that kind of money just why don’t they use  it to find homes for these horses??

    If you want to beat up on a organization how about starting with the Racing Association?
    Like I said I don’t belong to Peta but I recognize cruelty when I see it and that starved gray mare isn’t the first starved off the track thoroughbred I have seen.
     

    • RayPaulick

       I oppose slaughter of Thoroughbreds but believe euthanasia must be a viable alternative. Each Thoroughbred foal crop brings with it an approximately $200 million lifetime pricetag. I don’t understand how the people who published the report came up with 70% (I would estimate it’s considerably lower though still unacceptable).

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Barbara-Griffith/1386223362 Barbara Griffith

         Many of the rescue organizations have euthanasia clinics that are supported by donations. There needs to be thousands more all over the country.  But unless the breeders decide to put a stop to their senseless over breeding looking for that magic horse then nothing will change.

        • JC

           I find slaughter appalling and hence my own usual soapbox on this blog re:  overbreeding. 

        • Buuzbee

          “But unless the breeders decide to put a stop to their senseless over
          breeding looking for that magic horse then nothing will change”

          I couldn’t agree with this post more.  I’ve said over & over again in the slaughter debates, there are TOO many horses being bred.  The Keenland 2yr old sales catalogs (alone!), sometimes 7 deep!  All being bred to be the next derby winner, better yet, triple crown winner.

    • Bustin Roos

       Please give us a link to this study.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Barbara-Griffith/1386223362 Barbara Griffith

    Mr.Paulick

    Could you please give me your opinion of horse slaughter? I don’t belong to Peta but I’m sure you have seen my comments on this blog regarding thousands of these thoroughbreds being sent to slaughter plants in Canada/Mexico and in the US when they were operating here. A study just came out which said that 70% of the thoroughbred foal crop each year ends up in the slaughter pipeline.  Just this past week a gray off the track thoroughbred  mare was found at a auction by a northern California based rescue that bought her and from the tatoo number under her upper lip she was identified and was last raced in 2009, there was a photo. This horse was skin and bones so whatever she was being used for she wasn’t in the money so she was thrown on the trash pile like so many others. And could you also tell me what your opinion is of the “National Thoroughbred Racing Association” hiring lobbyists to try to kill the bills in congress that would put a stop to US horses being sent to slaughter plants in Canada/Mexico to be killed?? One lobbying organization called Alpine Group. Inc was hired to the tune of $50,000 and that number is just the tip of the iceberg. I’m looking at a copy of the lobbying report, I can give you the senate ID number if you want it.  If they have that kind of money just why don’t they use  it to find homes for these horses??

    If you want to beat up on a organization how about starting with the Racing Association?
    Like I said I don’t belong to Peta but I recognize cruelty when I see it and that starved gray mare isn’t the first starved off the track thoroughbred I have seen.
     

  • RayPaulick

     I oppose slaughter of Thoroughbreds but believe euthanasia must be a viable alternative. Each Thoroughbred foal crop brings with it an approximately $200 million lifetime pricetag. I don’t understand how the people who published the report came up with 70% (I would estimate it’s considerably lower though still unacceptable).

  • Merasmag

    a link wooda been helpful…give credit blahblahblah…although i will probably be in the minority i agree with lots of what he wrote…
    HOWEVER…
    IS THERE A POOL ON HOW LONG IT’S GONNA TAKE FOR PETA OR FORBES TO POST SOMETHING SAYING “a poster on respected horseracing site “the paulick report” wrote”…and then quote their own chain letter?

    im sorta hopin my postin that cuts such BS off at the pass…so u can thank me in advance mrreedetal
    poor malcolm must b spinnin in his grave

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Barbara-Griffith/1386223362 Barbara Griffith

     The retired ones that didn’t cut it ended up on a plate in a restaurant in Europe in one of these countries, Japan, France, Belgium, Italy and parts of Canada.

  • stillriledup

     Bingo!

  • Nancy

    Thank you for the excellent reporting. This is the first time I have seen the actual printed results of the necropsy reports, as opposed to all the media speculation. I sincerely wish the horses didn’t die, and I am truly sorry “Luck” was cancelled. It was an awesome show.

  • Nancy

    Thank you for the excellent reporting. This is the first time I have seen the actual printed results of the necropsy reports, as opposed to all the media speculation. I sincerely wish the horses didn’t die, and I am truly sorry “Luck” was cancelled. It was an awesome show.

  • stillriledup

     Good stuff Jay.

    I’m no PeTA expert and i don’t know what they do behind the scenes, but the vibe i get from them is that they HATE HUMANS. They pretend to like animals, but that seems to even be in doubt after reading all the stuff that Jay and others have posted here. This organization screams from the mountaintops and they don’t seem to care if their facts are straight or which human beings they trample on the way to their brand of justice.

    If PeTA cares so much about the horse racing industry and the equine deaths, why don’t they step up and help out?

    Is PeTA going to ‘go away’ once they get sick and tired of bashing the racing industry or are they going to stick around for the long haul and get into the trenches WITH the racing industry and try and find a solution to the problems that they want solved?

  • Merasmag

    as it was mine 5 days ago…
    just needed to reiterate it 4 the “slow” people

  • Merasmag

    if u think this is the beginning ur quite mistaken

    itstheend

  • Ken McMeans

    I took the writer of the article on Forbes to task on that website. Writers without knowledge of horses and/or horse racing do not have the ability to assess wrongdoing or even have a basic understanding of the events that transpired. I am positive that the people in the horse racing industry are well aware of your abilities, patience, dedication, passion and love of horses and horse racing. I have known you a long time Matt, over 30 years now and I never questioned that you had done your best to prepare the horses for this series and that they were in good hands. All my best to you my friend.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Barbara-Griffith/1386223362 Barbara Griffith

     Many of the rescue organizations have euthanasia clinics that are supported by donations. There needs to be thousands more all over the country.  But unless the breeders decide to put a stop to their senseless over breeding looking for that magic horse then nothing will change.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Barbara-Griffith/1386223362 Barbara Griffith

     No, stop breeding them.

  • Ronnie

    How does the writer for Forbes get away with saying this? (first sentence of article) “OUTLAW YODLER HADN’T RACE MUCH, WAS SUFFERING FROM SEVERE PAIN AND INFLAMMATION AND HAD BEEN GIVEN STRONG PAIN-KILLING DRUGS.”

    • Merasmag

      seems my bff disappeared…

    • JC

       Yeah, Forbes is not exactly the National Enquirer.  They should raise their standards. 

  • Ronnie

    How does the writer for Forbes get away with saying this? (first sentence of article) “OUTLAW YODLER HADN’T RACE MUCH, WAS SUFFERING FROM SEVERE PAIN AND INFLAMMATION AND HAD BEEN GIVEN STRONG PAIN-KILLING DRUGS.”

  • Merasmag

    ANOTHER GREAT (SELF-EDITED)ING 1ST POST!!!

    CAN THE PAULICK REPORT SAVE RACING BY EXPOSING THESE METHODS WHILE THE IRON IS HOT?
    no pun intended…

  • Merasmag

    where were u when i had to argue with her myself on THIS site?

  • Ken McMeans

    Wish I had been here. 

  • Merasmag

    seems my bff disappeared…

  • Tony
  • Tony

     The truth about peta.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v

  • Merasmag

    ummm…advice is alive…would u like to buy him?

  • wallyhorse

    The problem is, PETA cares more about their own agenda and what can bring them the most attention.  What happened with “Luck” was unfortunate, but some simply will no matter what refuse to understand that the death of the third horse in particular is something that could have happened anywhere.

  • wallyhorse

    The problem is, PETA cares more about their own agenda and what can bring them the most attention.  What happened with “Luck” was unfortunate, but some simply will no matter what refuse to understand that the death of the third horse in particular is something that could have happened anywhere.

  • Save Advice

    The casual fan or horse owner should not have to protect a former Derby horse.  The owners or breeders who cheered Advice to the Coolmore Lexington win and in the Derby should make sure that he stays alive.  I contacted WinStar Farm back in October about his situation, so let’s hope they step up to the plate and do the right thing. 

  • Guest

    What kind of moronic comment is this?

    You remind me of the monsters running around the WVA and Penn tracks.

    Why shouldn’t Winstar (owner/breeder thru Kentucky Derby) step up to the plate…???

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Barbara-Griffith/1386223362 Barbara Griffith

    Stop selling the thoroughbreds that can’t run fast enough to bring in money out the back door to killer buyers that add them to the load of horses they buy at auctions to fill a order for the slaughter plants. This cruelty has went on for years the public has just now become aware of it and the more they find out the more they don’t like it. If you want to see what happens to them at the slaughter plant please take a look at this. 

    http://defendhorsescanada.org/

  • Iamadam36

    Thank you Ray!
        You also provided a question I’d posed on a TVG forum within 24 hrs of PETA’s blatent bending of the truth to suit their own needs. $7.5 mil for salaries as opposed to less than 1 mil. to support worthy causes FOR animals, does not really surprise me. In my opinion, PETA has NEVER initiated a valid protest in it’s existence and in fact totally stay away from support of causes that it can not use to their own gain. 
         Fortunately, but sadly not fast enough, PETA contributes to their own bad reputation. We need more truth in reporting stories and we need them to be published by the general interest press!
          Ann M. Adam    

  • Iamadam36

    Thank you Ray!
        You also provided a question I’d posed on a TVG forum within 24 hrs of PETA’s blatent bending of the truth to suit their own needs. $7.5 mil for salaries as opposed to less than 1 mil. to support worthy causes FOR animals, does not really surprise me. In my opinion, PETA has NEVER initiated a valid protest in it’s existence and in fact totally stay away from support of causes that it can not use to their own gain. 
         Fortunately, but sadly not fast enough, PETA contributes to their own bad reputation. We need more truth in reporting stories and we need them to be published by the general interest press!
          Ann M. Adam    

  • Allynn

    NOCK THAT PETA OFF MY SKEETER!!!…PLEASE…

  • Allynn

    NOCK THAT PETA OFF MY SKEETER!!!…PLEASE…

  • Dorise

    Thank you for this report. hopefully this can  help now in a way the future. People need to find the true facts and not jump on the bandwagon. Pray that all this turns out to help others and the horses!! 

  • Dorise

    Thank you for this report. hopefully this can  help now in a way the future. People need to find the true facts and not jump on the bandwagon. Pray that all this turns out to help others and the horses!! 

  • JusSayin

    You know, I really tried to watch this show.  I really did.  Unfortunately, I could not stay awake for an entire episode.  PETA may have been the last nail in the coffin, but I think the series was doomed from the get go.

  • JusSayin

    You know, I really tried to watch this show.  I really did.  Unfortunately, I could not stay awake for an entire episode.  PETA may have been the last nail in the coffin, but I think the series was doomed from the get go.

  • See-eh

    Get your facts straight Barb. You will not find thoroughbred race horse on any menu in Canada. In fact, Canada probably provides the best home for these older horses and that is the sport of chuckwagon racing (wpca.com & cpcaracing.com). Chuckwagon racing is where these equine athletes are allowed to continue to do what they love to do all while being cared for my competent horsemen.

  • Jef

     Should have posted this a few days ago…

    A blogger named Emil Guillermo, who is married to a VP of PETA, posted an article titled “How My Wife Stopped HBO’s ‘Luck’” earlier this week:

    http://blog.sfgate.com/eguillermo/2012/03/15/how-my-wife-stopped-hbos-luck/?gta=commentlistpos
    - commentlistpos

    What caught my eye initially was his reference to Barbaro as a “fit race horse who died on the track.”

    This guy must have seen a Preakness where Barbaro collapsed and was put down on the spot, instead of the one everyone else saw where he courageously held his injured leg up until help could arrive. I tried to point out that laminitis took his life, and while Guillermo acknowledged his inaccuracy, that’s all the type of commentary I need to read to confirm that he was in bed with an agenda.
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    • Greyfel

      You are right Jef, he got it all wrong. However, Barbaro was finally done in by laminitis that resulted from the original injury and having to stand and put pressure on those feet after all of the heroic efforts to save him.

       Mr. Guillermo is obviously not a horseman. He also failed to mention the enormous effort that was made by Barbaro’s owners and veterinarians to save his life.

      I think that PETA does good by exposing and publicizing animal cruelty and neglect. However I don’t see that racing should be discontinued. I do think that it should be highly regulated, particularly in the area of the horses’ welfare and care.
      I believe that owners,trainers,vets, and anyone working with the horses should show the highest level of competency and knowledge of horse handling and training.

      Call me sentimental or impractical, but I think that great effort should be made to rehome and retrain as many ex-race horses as possible. There are many fine people doing just that right now. I would like to see more of that.

      It is disgusting to see horses that tried and failed, or tried and won trailered to their death in Mexico or Canada. I don’t give a damn what the Belgians or French want;they should learn to eat things other than equines.

      I could not send any horse to slaughter. I know that racing is a business,but what possible benefit could you get from the blood money you get from a slaughter sale?

      If I did own race horses, I would either find a good home for them or euthanize them if necessary. I would not and could not betray them by sending them to a gruesome death after their usefullness to me was over.

       I have worked with horses all my life and have never sent a horse to slaughter. I have euthanized old friends in order to relieve suffering or to prevent sufferiing.

      • JC

         Thanks, Greyfel–I wish everyone felt as you do. 

  • Jef

     Should have posted this a few days ago…

    A blogger named Emil Guillermo, who is married to a VP of PETA, posted an article titled “How My Wife Stopped HBO’s ‘Luck’” earlier this week:

    http://blog.sfgate.com/eguille
    - commentlistpos

    What caught my eye initially was his reference to Barbaro as a “fit race horse who died on the track.”

    This guy must have seen a Preakness where Barbaro collapsed and was put down on the spot, instead of the one everyone else saw where he courageously held his injured leg up until help could arrive. I tried to point out that laminitis took his life, and while Guillermo acknowledged his inaccuracy, that’s all the type of commentary I need to read to confirm that he was in bed with an agenda.
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  • Jef

    Sorry for the computer hash, too much cutting and pasting…that link is:

    http://blog.sfgate.com/eguillermo/2012/03/15/how-my-wife-stopped-hbos-luck/?gta=commentlistpos – commentlistpos

    Try that one…

  • Jef

    Sorry for the computer hash, too much cutting and pasting…that link is:

    http://blog.sfgate.com/eguille… – commentlistpos

    Try that one…

  • Jef

    I give up! Google it, I guess…sorry.

  • Jef

    I give up! Google it, I guess…sorry.

  • Greyfel

    You are right Jef, he got it all wrong. However, Barbaro was finally done in by laminitis that resulted from the original injury and having to stand and put pressure on those feet after all of the heroic efforts to save him.

     Mr. Guillermo is obviously not a horseman. He also failed to mention the enormous effort that was made by Barbaro’s owners and veterinarians to save his life.

    I think that PETA does good by exposing and publicizing animal cruelty and neglect. However I don’t see that racing should be discontinued. I do think that it should be highly regulated, particularly in the area of the horses’ welfare and care.
    I believe that owners,trainers,vets, and anyone working with the horses should show the highest level of competency and knowledge of horse handling and training.

    Call me sentimental or impractical, but I think that great effort should be made to rehome and retrain as many ex-race horses as possible. There are many fine people doing just that right now. I would like to see more of that.

    It is disgusting to see horses that tried and failed, or tried and won trailered to their death in Mexico or Canada. I don’t give a damn what the Belgians or French want;they should learn to eat things other than equines.

    I could not send any horse to slaughter. I know that racing is a business,but what possible benefit could you get from the blood money you get from a slaughter sale?

    If I did own race horses, I would either find a good home for them or euthanize them if necessary. I would not and could not betray them by sending them to a gruesome death after their usefullness to me was over.

     I have worked with horses all my life and have never sent a horse to slaughter. I have euthanized old friends in order to relieve suffering or to prevent sufferiing.

  • equine

    @Garrett Redmond, the law regarding charitable donations is regulated by the attorney generals office. Legal splits are 75/25 for 501 (c)3 corps with 25% going to the charity. In a not for profit situation the split is 85/15. This is why it is so very very important that those donating check out how their money will be used ahead of time.

  • equine

    @Garrett Redmond, the law regarding charitable donations is regulated by the attorney generals office. Legal splits are 75/25 for 501 (c)3 corps with 25% going to the charity. In a not for profit situation the split is 85/15. This is why it is so very very important that those donating check out how their money will be used ahead of time.

  • C2

    To all:  Let me preface with, I am NOT in any way condemning those involved as I know this is not well known… but should any of you have the misfortune of having one break a humerus, please know that it does not have to be a life-ending injury.  Surgery can be done successfully.  I know because one of my geldings had that surgery.  Screws and wires were placed.  Recovery has taken a while with it’s ups and downs but this is a very happy, very healthy horse that I just started riding again and will hopefully return to competition later this year.  He is an amazing horse and this has been a whale of a journey but incredibly worthwhile.  Just wanted to get this information out there as few people know about it.  :)

    • JC

       More so, there are probably injuries out there that are not “unfixable”, it’s just that someone doesn’t want to pay to fix them. 

      • C2

        JC, I had major medical on him.  But I’d have worked 3rd shift at the clinic the rest of my life to do right by him if needed.  He’s my responsibility and I take his and his cohorts care very seriously. :)

        • JC

           I certainly don’t mean you.  You did the right things by your horse.  Kudos!!  :-) 

  • C2

    To all:  Let me preface with, I am NOT in any way condemning those involved as I know this is not well known… but should any of you have the misfortune of having one break a humerus, please know that it does not have to be a life-ending injury.  Surgery can be done successfully.  I know because one of my geldings had that surgery.  Screws and wires were placed.  Recovery has taken a while with it’s ups and downs but this is a very happy, very healthy horse that I just started riding again and will hopefully return to competition later this year.  He is an amazing horse and this has been a whale of a journey but incredibly worthwhile.  Just wanted to get this information out there as few people know about it.  :)

  • Pinky

    As my statistics teacher used to say, figures can’t lie, but liars can figure. I read stories with an ear toward objectivity – giving a nod to both sides of an issue and avoiding words that smack of righteous outrage….  The same goes for comments.

  • Pinky

    As my statistics teacher used to say, figures can’t lie, but liars can figure. I read stories with an ear toward objectivity – giving a nod to both sides of an issue and avoiding words that smack of righteous outrage….  The same goes for comments.

  • Abbers

    You get your facts straight See-eh! Horse meat including TB is definitely on the menu in some areas of Canada. And as far as chuckwagon racing, don;t even go there. Another abusive and inhumane “sport” that kills.

  • http://www.paddyhead.com/ Paddyh

    I spent 20 years on the racetrack as a jockey and never once did I work a horse twice in the same day. Interval training was a short fad in the ’80′s which was abondoned because of the injuries it caused. So what made Mr Chew and the onsite wranglers think they could work these racing rejects twice in a day and avoid injuries?

    • JC

       Well, that’s an extremely valid question from an informed source–thank you, Paddyh. 

    • Blame PETA

      Somehow these important questions are not asked in the article. A retread $2,000 claimer from Los Alamitos doing interval training for arrogant, self-centered movie producers! What could possibly go wrong? 

      Let’s just blame PETA for Kelsey Lefevre, Ernie Paragallo, Michael Gill, the abandoned horses in Miami, the 18 deaths at Aqueduct this winter, Rick Dutrow’s 78 violations, kill buyers at Penn National and WVA tracks, and Burnadette’s death at Los Alamitos.

      Yes, blame PETA. 

    • Rob

      What race track did you spend your time on……Mars Downs? Horses gallop and race in the same day all the time……Playing horse racing on PlayStation 3 doesn’t equal speding time on the “race track”

  • http://www.paddyhead.com/ Paddyh

    I spent 20 years on the racetrack as a jockey and never once did I work a horse twice in the same day. Interval training was a short fad in the ’80′s which was abondoned because of the injuries it caused. So what made Mr Chew and the onsite wranglers think they could work these racing rejects twice in a day and avoid injuries?

  • JC

     Well, that’s an extremely valid question from an informed source–thank you, Paddyh. 

  • JC

     More so, there are probably injuries out there that are not “unfixable”, it’s just that someone doesn’t want to pay to fix them. 

  • JC

     Thanks, Greyfel–I wish everyone felt as you do. 

  • JC

     Yeah, Forbes is not exactly the National Enquirer.  They should raise their standards. 

  • JC

     I find slaughter appalling and hence my own usual soapbox on this blog re:  overbreeding. 

  • Bustin Roos

     Please give us a link to this study.

  • JC

    Re:  HBO series, I have poked around to see if there have been any horse/animal casualties on the Game of Thrones set, but couldn’t find anything.  I don’t even know if it is monitored by any humane societies because it is shot overseas.  Steven Spielberg and co. had War Horse monitored overseas, but I don’t know if others do.  

  • JC

    Re:  HBO series, I have poked around to see if there have been any horse/animal casualties on the Game of Thrones set, but couldn’t find anything.  I don’t even know if it is monitored by any humane societies because it is shot overseas.  Steven Spielberg and co. had War Horse monitored overseas, but I don’t know if others do.  

  • Blame PETA

    Somehow these important questions are not asked in the article. A retread $2,000 claimer from Los Alamitos doing interval training for arrogant, self-centered movie producers! What could possibly go wrong? 

    Let’s just blame PETA for Kelsey Lefevre, Ernie Paragallo, Michael Gill, the abandoned horses in Miami, the 18 deaths at Aqueduct this winter, Rick Dutrow’s 78 violations, kill buyers at Penn National and WVA tracks, and Burnadette’s death at Los Alamitos.

    Yes, blame PETA. 

  • MA

    HBO plans to purchase the horses:

    http://www.hollywoodtoday.net/

  • Merasmag

    its not the winstar it usta b

  • Buuzbee

     FYI… “fit” horses in training workout weekly, not every 4 weeks and a 2 or 3 furling lick isn’t a long workout….. & coming from the “horses mouth” (pun intended!)
    Matt posted: “We had the horses examined daily, anyone of 15 people on our team 2 vets
    and 4 humane officers could pull a horse from the days work no
    questions asked. We had more than enough horses to do the job and were
    never under pressure to take chances. We used no drugs in our filming
    and passed countless random drug tests. We spent hundreds of hours
    schooling these horses for filming.”
    You are making this post like 3 horses broke down while doing racing scenes, and thats not the case at all, one did, the first in 2010.  The horse in 2011 had its leg broken from a lost shoe on a horse in front. The 3rd horse wasn’t even on the track and the injury could have happened at the track, in a breeding barn on in someones barn at their house!

  • Buuzbee

     *furlong! (cant type today! LOL)

  • Buuzbee

    “But unless the breeders decide to put a stop to their senseless over
    breeding looking for that magic horse then nothing will change”

    I couldn’t agree with this post more.  I’ve said over & over again in the slaughter debates, there are TOO many horses being bred.  The Keenland 2yr old sales catalogs (alone!), sometimes 7 deep!  All being bred to be the next derby winner, better yet, triple crown winner.

  • Animaldoc

    I heard today that Advice is going to New Vocations….

  • Merasmag

    mrchew,
    i just read that u were knot only the 3rd horselet’s(TM) trnr but also OWNER
    my condolences…i am very sorry for your loss

  • James D. Jimenez

    Ray,
    I will not argue with you about PETA or about LUCK being good or bad for racing. If you have any horse sense at all you will questions these quotes.

    1. “We had one horse who broke down, of the 2,500 horse runs. He had cooled down to a light gallop or a canter and threw a shoe, and the shoe hit the horse behind him in the chest, causing him to stumble and then roll over.”
    2. Well, of course they were [found to have been] medicated at necropsy. They’d been medicated in the aftermath of being injured!

    Quote #1: I’m a blacksmith at the racetrack and this statement is absolutely insane. 
    If a 4 oz. shoe hits a horse in the chest at a gallop and makes him fall racing would be having horses dropping dead every day! 

    Quote #2: I have never seen a horse break down and given Bute prior to being euthanized, have you?

    Now the 3rd horse flipping was of course something that can happen anywhere, anytime. But those first two explanations (especially number 1) are just plain meant for people that have NO clue! 

    I have no opinion on PETA and do not support what they do but those explanations  should send up a big red flag!

    • RayPaulick

       Milch’s comments do not match exactly what I was told by two different people who were on the set the day the first horse, Outlaw Yodeler, was euthanized. I was told the horse was acting up as he jogged off the track, tripped up on his own feet, and fell awkwardly onto his right shoulder (did a lose shoe from a another horse hit him? I don’t know).

      Regarding Bute. The reason that was given to me was that there were initially hopes Outlaw Yodeler could be saved, and the Bute was a slow-acting antiflammatory that  would help reduce the swelling. Several racetracks vets in Kentucky and FLorida that I spoke with said they would include Bute in the post-injury medication mix given to a horse if there was a chance the horse would be saved and treated. One of the vets said if a horse had a preexisting condition involving his humerus, Bute would certainly not be enough to make that horse sound.

      If you think all of those medications were given to a horse prior to training, you really need to talk with a veterinarian. You’re wrong.

      • http://www.paddyhead.com/ Paddyh

        Is there any chance of speaking directly with the vets involved? I’d like to ask why they would give both Bute and Banamine as it’s usually one or the other. Bute is given to horses before they race on a regular basis at many tracks. For a retired racehorse or one with old injuries, I can’t imagine them being able to do 2 workouts a day without bute.

        And Jimenez is riht about a flying shoe. I even had one hit me in the helmet during a race. At 35 mph, it was quite a blow but it didn’t knock me off the horse.

        • Merasmag

           no…he’s not right about the shoe…the quote was it made the horse STUMBLE
          if u had been walking would that shoe have made u STUMBLE(self-edited muttering)

          i have 2 imagine milch didn’t mean baffert works…he meant sadler works;}

          • James D. Jimenez

            Here again is the quote

            “We had one horse who broke down, of the 2,500 horse runs. He had cooled down to a light gallop or a canter and threw a shoe, and the shoe hit the horse behind him in the chest, causing him to stumble and then roll over.” 
            ————————
            A cantering horse throws a 4 oz. aluminum that hits a horse behind him in the chest causing him to stumble and then roll over. Please, please, please tell me you do not believe this. 

            Anyone with any experience at all what to enlighten these fools because I am finished trying! 

            P.S Merasmag

            Who is high limit and what brackets? Had 1 too many tonight?

          • Upstart

            High Limit was a multiple graded stakes winner trained by Robert (Frankel).  Thought you would have known that.

          • James D. Jimenez

            I applied glued on shoes for Mr. Frankel in the 80′s because his blacksmith then, Duane Stucki, didn’t do that type of work. 

          • Merasmag

            that would explain why u dknotnow highlimit…he was never a barnguy…i have no idea why u dknotnow what a bracket is            here’s a hint-it’sMarch

          • James D. Jimenez

            High Limit was never a barn guy??? 

            Sorry, I do not understand this statement.

          • Merasmag

            i was gonna say barnrat but i thought that was 2 derogatory

          • Merasmag

            and…in closing…a horse can shy at shadows that weigh…nothing

        • Bustin Roos

           With an acute cause of lameness when an animal is quite lame both bute and banamine are given  Banamine, as it will “work” in about 20 minutes and allow the vet to radiograph the horse if needed .  Bute takes longer to kick in but it also has a longer duration of action allowing the horse some comfort as a final decision is made- surgery or euthanasia

      • James D. Jimenez

        A low dose of Bute is commonly put into the horses feed daily for 
        maintenance. 
        Banamine was probably used on days of filming. Sol-U Delta Cortef is used on horses that tie up in works or to keep a horse calm. It is now tested for so it is not used on runners. It is also given by Vets to horses under stress, such as in a break down situation, so that the Vet can evaluate the animal. 

        Torbugesic is used by many Vets prior to giving giving euthanasia. The Torbugesic will keep the horse from flipping while the euthanasia is injected.

        So for your information 3 of those drugs can and are given to a horse prior to training or working especially if the horse was not being tested such as being worked to get off the Vet’s List.

        Very unlikely that the Torbugesic would be used. It was probably used prior to the horse being euthanized. 

        On that I’m right! You are not addressing a Johnny Come Lately!
        Now you can speak to a veterinarian. 

        • Merasmag

           plz tell high limit i said HI!
          and good luck on those brackets!

          • James D. Jimenez

            What????

            Have you been hitting the sauce????

          • Merasmag

            InewInewU

          • James D. Jimenez

            Wes Champagne shod horses for Mr. Frankel after Duane Stucki so I never put Glue On shoes on for him again as Wes is a very good blacksmith. Therefore the name High Limit has no meaning to me at all. 

            Not a basketball fan but I do understand March madness. I’m not a gambler and didn’t think you were talking basketball in this link about racing.

            Do I know you? Stop by and say hi!

            Why don’t people post using their real names? Seems it would be better than hiding and talking crap!

          • Merasmag

            my “real” name wood mean 0 2U

          • James D. Jimenez

            Then maybe you do not know me after all. Stop by and say hi, would love to meet you. Best to you.

      • Upstart

        Well there you go Ray.  Apparently when you shoe at the racetrack for “Mr. O’Neill” there isn’t anything you don’t know particularly as it relates to the pharmacology of veterinary medicine.

        • James D. Jimenez

          Upstart,
          Chiming in like a real fool. I was raised on the track, been working on the track since I was 12 years old, 58 years old now. My father was a trainer, James R. Jimenez, he trained many very good horses including Agitate who ran third in the 100th Kentucky Derby. I worked as a groom for my father, Mr. Buddy Hirsch, a foreman for Mr. Bobby Frankel, and spent a summer working with a Vet in Southern California (while deciding to become a Vet) before deciding to become a blacksmith. While in New York with Mr. Frankel I learned from famed blacksmith Ray Amato before attending Cal Poly SLO and being trained by Gene Armstrong. I’ve broke horses at training centers and also trained horses at training centers as well as at the racetrack. While at the training centers you would be very surprised how much my summer working with our Vet prepared me for treating horses when a Vet wasn’t available. I have shod horses at the racetrack for many very important trainers, including Doug O’Neill, Bobby Frankel, Dave Hofmans, Mike Machowsky, Mark Glatt, Doug Peterson, David LaCroix, Mike Mitchell to name a few. I have shod Breeders Cup winners, Eclipse Champions, and too many Graded Stakes winners to mention. I also serve on the California Horse Racing Board Farriers Exam BoardWhat I don’t know I ask the very best at what they do know to find out answers! 

          I have forgotten more than you will ever hope to know about racehorses and use my own name to tell you this because I am not arrogant only 
          knowledgeable!

          So now bless us with you wisdom.

          • Upstart

            I am continually amazed at your need to tell everyone how experienced and knowledgable (you think) you are.  And your unfailing need to (attempt to) denigrate anyone who dares to have an opinion different from yours.  “Not arrogant”? Read again your response to Ray…that is the definition of arrogance.

          • James D. Jimenez

            Mine is an informed response! What I didn’t know I confirmed with a leading So Cal Vet. 

            Problem here is many read racing forms, bet on horses, go to the races once a week, talk to or interview a trainer, owner or Vet and think they’re a horseman. 

            I would offer you some sort of respect if you posted using you real name but you hide behind an alias pretending to know something. Hint, you DON’T!

            Done with you because in the battle of knowledge you have come unarmed!

          • Upstart

            Not interested in your respect.

      • James D. Jimenez

        A low dose of Bute is commonly put into the horses feed daily for maintenance. Banamine was probably used on days of filming. Sol-U Delta Cortef is used on horses that tie up in works or to keep a horse calm. It is now tested for so it is not used on runners. It is also given by Vets to horses under stress, such as in a break down situation, so that the Vet can evaluate the animal. 
        Torbugesic is used by many Vets prior to giving giving euthanasia. The Torbugesic will keep the horse from flipping while the euthanasia is injected.
        So for your information 3 of those drugs can and are given to a horse prior to training or working especially if the horse was not being tested such as being worked to get off the Vet’s List.
        Very unlikely that the Torbugesic would be used. It was probably used prior to the horse being euthanized. 
        On that I’m right! You are not addressing a Johnny Come Lately!Now you can speak to a veterinarian. 

        Ray,
        I see you still haven’t responded to this post. 
        Did you talk to your veterinarian and find out what was written was indeed true?

        James

  • James D. Jimenez

    Ray,
    I will not argue with you about PETA or about LUCK being good or bad for racing. If you have any horse sense at all you will questions these quotes.

    1. “We had one horse who broke down, of the 2,500 horse runs. He had cooled down to a light gallop or a canter and threw a shoe, and the shoe hit the horse behind him in the chest, causing him to stumble and then roll over.”
    2. Well, of course they were [found to have been] medicated at necropsy. They’d been medicated in the aftermath of being injured!

    Quote #1: I’m a blacksmith at the racetrack and this statement is absolutely insane. 
    If a 4 oz. shoe hits a horse in the chest at a gallop and makes him fall racing would be having horses dropping dead every day! 

    Quote #2: I have never seen a horse break down and given Bute prior to being euthanized, have you?

    Now the 3rd horse flipping was of course something that can happen anywhere, anytime. But those first two explanations (especially number 1) are just plain meant for people that have NO clue! 

    I have no opinion on PETA and do not support what they do but those explanations  should send up a big red flag!

  • See-eh

    Source? I have lived all across Canada for the past 29 years and have yet to see or hear of horse meat being provided at any restaurant in Canada.

    Further to that, if Chuckwagon racing did not exist quite a few thoroughbreds would be sent to slaughter. To call Chuckwagon racing or any form of thoroughbred racing inhuman is ridiculous. Thoroughbreds are bred to run and if you have spent any amount of time around them you would realize that.

  • RayPaulick

     Milch’s comments do not match exactly what I was told by two different people who were on the set the day the first horse, Outlaw Yodeler, was euthanized. I was told the horse was acting up as he jogged off the track, tripped up on his own feet, and fell awkwardly onto his right shoulder (did a lose shoe from a another horse hit him? I don’t know).

    Regarding Bute. The reason that was given to me was that there were initially hopes Outlaw Yodeler could be saved, and the Bute was a slow-acting antiflammatory that  would help reduce the swelling. Several racetracks vets in Kentucky and FLorida that I spoke with said they would include Bute in the post-injury medication mix given to a horse if there was a chance the horse would be saved and treated. One of the vets said if a horse had a preexisting condition involving his humerus, Bute would certainly not be enough to make that horse sound.

    If you think all of those medications were given to a horse prior to training, you really need to talk with a veterinarian. You’re wrong.

  • http://www.paddyhead.com/ Paddyh

    Is there any chance of speaking directly with the vets involved? I’d like to ask why they would give both Bute and Banamine as it’s usually one or the other. Bute is given to horses before they race on a regular basis at many tracks. For a retired racehorse or one with old injuries, I can’t imagine them being able to do 2 workouts a day without bute.

    And Jimenez is riht about a flying shoe. I even had one hit me in the helmet during a race. At 35 mph, it was quite a blow but it didn’t knock me off the horse.

  • James D. Jimenez

    A low dose of Bute is commonly put into the horses feed daily for 
    maintenance. 
    Banamine was probably used on days of filming. Sol-U Delta Cortef is used on horses that tie up in works or to keep a horse calm. It is now tested for so it is not used on runners. It is also given by Vets to horses under stress, such as in a break down situation, so that the Vet can evaluate the animal. 

    Torbugesic is used by many Vets prior to giving giving euthanasia. The Torbugesic will keep the horse from flipping while the euthanasia is injected.

    So for your information 3 of those drugs can and are given to a horse prior to training or working especially if the horse was not being tested such as being worked to get off the Vet’s List.

    Very unlikely that the Torbugesic would be used. It was probably used prior to the horse being euthanized. 

    On that I’m right! You are not addressing a Johnny Come Lately!
    Now you can speak to a veterinarian. 

  • Greyfel

    I don’t know what the Canadians are doing with all of that horsemeat that they produce in their horrible slaughterhouses. If THEY aren’t eating it, then they must be exporting it to Belgium and France.
    Also, the chuckwagon racing IS dangerous and hectic and I would rather see TBs run on the track with a jockey than pulling a damn chuckwagon. Anyway you look at it, chuckwagon racing is no picnic for the horses.

  • Abbers

    OMG you are such a misinformed moron. They sell horse meat in the supermarkets in Quebec (Metro for example) and have a number of restaurants that serve it. And just this past month there have been protests at a restaurant in Toronto called La Palette. I won’t even dignify adding the links as anyone who knows anything about horse slaughter in Canada is well aware of all of it.

    But if it will stymie your ignorant babble just ask.

    As far as the chuckwagon racing goes, it is a blood bath for the horses. Every year horses die competing in this so-called “sport” at the Calgary Stampede.

    What planet do you hail from?

    Such drivel and nonsense is beyond belief.

  • Upstart

    Well there you go Ray.  Apparently when you shoe at the racetrack for “Mr. O’Neill” there isn’t anything you don’t know particularly as it relates to the pharmacology of veterinary medicine.

  • Abbers

    You rock Barbara…..
    j AKA Abbers

  • James D. Jimenez

    Upstart,
    Chiming in like a real fool. I was raised on the track, been working on the track since I was 12 years old, 58 years old now. My father was a trainer, James R. Jimenez, he trained many very good horses including Agitate who ran third in the 100th Kentucky Derby. I worked as a groom for my father, Mr. Buddy Hirsch, a foreman for Mr. Bobby Frankel, and spent a summer working with a Vet in Southern California (while deciding to become a Vet) before deciding to become a blacksmith. While in New York with Mr. Frankel I learned from famed blacksmith Ray Amato before attending Cal Poly SLO and being trained by Gene Armstrong. I’ve broke horses at training centers and also trained horses at training centers as well as at the racetrack. While at the training centers you would be very surprised how much my summer working with our Vet prepared me for treating horses when a Vet wasn’t available. I have shod horses at the racetrack for many very important trainers, including Doug O’Neill, Bobby Frankel, Dave Hofmans, Mike Machowsky, Mark Glatt, Doug Peterson, David LaCroix, Mike Mitchell to name a few. I have shod Breeders Cup winners, Eclipse Champions, and too many Graded Stakes winners to mention. I also serve on the California Horse Racing Board Farriers Exam BoardWhat I don’t know I ask the very best at what they do know to find out answers! 

    I have forgotten more than you will ever hope to know about racehorses and use my own name to tell you this because I am not arrogant only 
    knowledgeable!

    So now bless us with you wisdom.

  • Upstart

    I am continually amazed at your need to tell everyone how experienced and knowledgable (you think) you are.  And your unfailing need to (attempt to) denigrate anyone who dares to have an opinion different from yours.  “Not arrogant”? Read again your response to Ray…that is the definition of arrogance.

  • James D. Jimenez

    Mine is an informed response! What I didn’t know I confirmed with a leading So Cal Vet. 

    Problem here is many read racing forms, bet on horses, go to the races once a week, talk to or interview a trainer, owner or Vet and think they’re a horseman. 

    I would offer you some sort of respect if you posted using you real name but you hide behind an alias pretending to know something. Hint, you DON’T!

    Done with you because in the battle of knowledge you have come unarmed!

  • Upstart

    Not interested in your respect.

  • Merasmag

     plz tell high limit i said HI!
    and good luck on those brackets!

  • Merasmag

     no…he’s not right about the shoe…the quote was it made the horse STUMBLE
    if u had been walking would that shoe have made u STUMBLE(self-edited muttering)

    i have 2 imagine milch didn’t mean baffert works…he meant sadler works;}

  • James D. Jimenez

    Here again is the quote

    “We had one horse who broke down, of the 2,500 horse runs. He had cooled down to a light gallop or a canter and threw a shoe, and the shoe hit the horse behind him in the chest, causing him to stumble and then roll over.” 
    ————————
    A cantering horse throws a 4 oz. aluminum that hits a horse behind him in the chest causing him to stumble and then roll over. Please, please, please tell me you do not believe this. 

    Anyone with any experience at all what to enlighten these fools because I am finished trying! 

    P.S Merasmag

    Who is high limit and what brackets? Had 1 too many tonight?

  • James D. Jimenez

    What????

    Have you been hitting the sauce????

  • WAM

    You have no idea how truly misguided and deceptive peta really is! In addition to the high salaries they have an 8 million dollar a year budget to promote propaganda and plan agendas to destroy all animal related business, at their big fundraisers they tell people the raised 2 million for peta but fail to tell them it cost 1.5 mil to do it.I wish they could be stopped. They are run by crazy people who kill more animals than they save. They make almost no donations to help any rescues or animal related services but they pay models hundreds of thousands of dollars to protest the fur industry and have physcos spray painting coats. I am so sick of the damage they do. Uninformed people donate to them based on the lies they tell and think the money is going to help animals. That’s the last thing peta does. No one works harder AND CARES MORE FOR HORSES THAN RACE TRACK PEOPLE.

  • WAM

    You have no idea how truly misguided and deceptive peta really is! In addition to the high salaries they have an 8 million dollar a year budget to promote propaganda and plan agendas to destroy all animal related business, at their big fundraisers they tell people the raised 2 million for peta but fail to tell them it cost 1.5 mil to do it.I wish they could be stopped. They are run by crazy people who kill more animals than they save. They make almost no donations to help any rescues or animal related services but they pay models hundreds of thousands of dollars to protest the fur industry and have physcos spray painting coats. I am so sick of the damage they do. Uninformed people donate to them based on the lies they tell and think the money is going to help animals. That’s the last thing peta does. No one works harder AND CARES MORE FOR HORSES THAN RACE TRACK PEOPLE.

  • Upstart

    High Limit was a multiple graded stakes winner trained by Robert (Frankel).  Thought you would have known that.

  • See-eh

    Are you kidding me? Just because a horse is slaughtered it means that a human has to have consumed it? Get real and if Chuck wagon racing didn’t exist those same horse would end up in a slaughter house not doing what they love to do and prolonging their life another 10 years.

  • See-eh

    Abbers it’s hilarious that a stinky ass leftist such as yourself wants to resort to mid slingin. Like honestly how do you look at yourself in the morning you commie pinko? The Calgary Stampede is a much better option for former racehorses than the slaughter house you momo.

  • WILLIAM L. ANTON

    Matt I know both you and your father Richard, his horsemanship is truly unquestionable.  I also know that (as the expression goes) you were born in the stable.  His ability rubbed off onto you,this mean you also have fine knowledge of good horsemanship.  Only too bad people that don’t know you find out a little prior to posting any comments.  This is where we in the business must have thick skin and absorb all the verbal abuse.  You know what you did and did not do, just hold your head up high and don’t worry about the others. 

  • Greyfel

    It doesn’t matter whether the horse that is slaughtered is eaten by humans or made into glue, or eaten as dog food or food for zoo animals, it is still slaughter and is a cruel,disgusting and inhumane system. Why don’t you go to the animals angels website and look at the photos that were taken at slaughterhouses of the misery that is inflicted on those poor animals.
     
    Also, the entire transportation system to get them to the slaughterhouse is merciless and a terror filled ride. Can you imagine being blind and shoved into a double decked steel trailer with many other terrified horses? Well, if that doesn’t move you, then there is no hope for you. Blind,old,young and mares in foal and near foaling are all crushed into those hell hole trailers.
    Man, don’t you have any feelings?

    Try even riding in one of those chuckwagons sometime, it is a terrifying trip for the men and the horses. Since you seem to think that the slaughterhouse is the solution to an excess of horses, why don’t you and others like you try to come up with a better solution?

    I am not so stupid that I don’t know that there is an excess of horses that have to be dealt with, but I also know that the slaughterhouse,and the trip to the slaughterhouse, IS NOT THE HUMANE SOLUTION.
    Again, overbreeding and a throw away mentality is the root cause of excess horseflesh.

  • Greyfel

    I’m so glad to hear that. They would be wise to publicize the journey those horses will now take and just where they end up after all this discussion.

  • Bustin Roos

     With an acute cause of lameness when an animal is quite lame both bute and banamine are given  Banamine, as it will “work” in about 20 minutes and allow the vet to radiograph the horse if needed .  Bute takes longer to kick in but it also has a longer duration of action allowing the horse some comfort as a final decision is made- surgery or euthanasia

  • DawnP

    Why the media uses PETA as a source for all things animal related is beyond me.  No wonder I grind my teeth. And in the meantime, millions of real welfare organizations are busting their butts on shoestring budgets to save horses, dogs, etc. Oh yes, the most dangerous place to be?  Between a PETA person and a reporter.

  • DawnP

    Why the media uses PETA as a source for all things animal related is beyond me.  No wonder I grind my teeth. And in the meantime, millions of real welfare organizations are busting their butts on shoestring budgets to save horses, dogs, etc. Oh yes, the most dangerous place to be?  Between a PETA person and a reporter.

  • Abbers

    Look who’s talking about slinging mud…”commie pinko”…lol…..who said anything about the stampede being equivalent to slaughter?  Greyfel has said it all.

  • Marybeth MacKay

    Listen folks, I have worked in the family entertainment industry for years. Circuses, zoos, animal exhibits and rodeos included. So often a bill comes up at the state or federal level that has been written and supported by animal rights groups such as PETA, HSUS, SHARK, MSPCA, etc. and have invited, begged and pleaded with people in the horse racing industry to stand with all animal owners in opposing legislation that restricts in any way the already highly regulated animal industry.  The horse racing folks have refused because they weren’t targeted in in that particular legislation.  I have warned them its coming, stand with us and we will stand with you!  I’d be happy to share my knowledge of over 20 years of studying this groups and testifying at the Federal, State and Local level. Are we all finally ready to stand together and put an end to this crap?

    • Greyfel

      Marybeth,
      Your years of work in the family entertainment industry gives you the right to your opinion based on your experiences. However, as well regulated as you might think those businesses are, they need to be.

      When there are grievances and improper conduct on the part of owners and bosses in the working world for humans, the humans can speak out for themselves. There are unions and many legal avenues for humans to use to rectify any abuses or injustices done to them.

      Animals, on the other hand, have no voice. They are shut away in barns,cages,pastures and god knows what other places people put animals. There is a horse living in a garage with no way to see the outside in Canada.He doesn’t get out much, it’s sad. Many people have tried to rescue him, but have not been successful so far.

      The reports of cruelty beyond comprehension in the Ringling Circus have been documented by former employees. Tales of abuse,intimidation and neglect abound. Ponies smashed in the face by a “handlers” fist, elephants bullhooked and prodded with cattle prods; all of this in the name of “family entertainment”. I believe those poor innocent animals are living in the seventh circle of hell and need to be rescued.

      Now, as far as the rodeos and racing and zoos and animal exhibits are concerned, horror stories are everywhere. Zoos that confine elephants until they are crippled with leg problems, rodeos that injure horses and cattle and dispose of them quickly when they can no longer perform. The racing world has many fine owners,trainers,jockeys and veterinarians working there. However, as in any profession, there are bad apples. The problem with it is that the horses have no voice except our voices, no relief unless they get moved to another barn, no help unless HSUS, PETA, SHARK,MSPCA, etc. continue to shine the light on the problems.

       How many times have you personally stood up for an animal that was being mistreated? How many owners of rodeos,circuses or race horses have you confronted when you see cruelty or neglect? Don’t tell me that a person of your experience and years in the business hasn’t been exposed to some kind of mistreatment in that regard.

      I do not want to see any of the animal welfare groups gagged or discontinued in any way. They are part of those industries, it goes with the territory, it should go with the territory….and you should not fight it, but you could lend your support, for the sake of the animals.

      • Marybeth MacKay

        Greyfel, seeing that you can’t bother use your real name on a real issue and you seem to spend lots of time lurking on the internet supporting PETA.  You are not worth my time and effort.  Have fun raising money for your dear Ingrid the rest of us will care for the animals.  Slap her upside the head for me!

        • Greyfel

          Marybeth, I see you want to know my real name. It is Kathryn Baker and I am not hiding. I use greyfel in lots of online posts. I am not lurking any more than you, dear, since you seem to think that your opinions are more important or informed than mine.

          My time and effort is spent trying to speak out with clarity on the subject of animal welfare. As far as spending it on people like you, that is where the need is for discussion.

          I am not raising money for PETA or any other organization, I am happy to support organizations that are trying to change the way animals are treated and mistreated.

          You seem to have a chip on your shoulder, perhaps you should look inward at your own life and attitude and see if it is lilly white and as pure as you seem to think it is.

          I welcome any further comments, that is if you are “lurking” on the internet today.

          Kathryn Baker aka greyfel

          • Merasmag

            wow…ms. baker my hat is off2u

          • Greyfel

            Merasmag, thanks 2u

    • voiceofreason

      “Are we all finally ready to stand together and put an end to this crap?”
      NO! We are SOME ready to stand together and put an end to this crap. Just not the SOME in charge.

  • Marybeth MacKay

    Listen folks, I have worked in the family entertainment industry for years. Circuses, zoos, animal exhibits and rodeos included. So often a bill comes up at the state or federal level that has been written and supported by animal rights groups such as PETA, HSUS, SHARK, MSPCA, etc. and have invited, begged and pleaded with people in the horse racing industry to stand with all animal owners in opposing legislation that restricts in any way the already highly regulated animal industry.  The horse racing folks have refused because they weren’t targeted in in that particular legislation.  I have warned them its coming, stand with us and we will stand with you!  I’d be happy to share my knowledge of over 20 years of studying this groups and testifying at the Federal, State and Local level. Are we all finally ready to stand together and put an end to this crap?

  • James D. Jimenez

    I applied glued on shoes for Mr. Frankel in the 80′s because his blacksmith then, Duane Stucki, didn’t do that type of work. 

  • C2

    JC, I had major medical on him.  But I’d have worked 3rd shift at the clinic the rest of my life to do right by him if needed.  He’s my responsibility and I take his and his cohorts care very seriously. :)

  • Rob

    What race track did you spend your time on……Mars Downs? Horses gallop and race in the same day all the time……Playing horse racing on PlayStation 3 doesn’t equal speding time on the “race track”

  • Rob

    The Humane Society (who finds homes for 94% of animals put into their care) was overseeing the filming……PETA (who euthanizes 95% of the animals was not….and for good reason)……Ive never seen the Humane Society dumping slaughtered animals into dumpsters which is common practice for PETA…..The PETA heads will get back on their private jet and fly to the next photo op/money making proposition

    • RayPaulick

       Rob,
      Don’t confuses the “Humane Society” with the group that supervised production of “LUCK” and other movies/TV using animals. That is the American Humane Association. Completely different organization.

  • Rob

    The Humane Society (who finds homes for 94% of animals put into their care) was overseeing the filming……PETA (who euthanizes 95% of the animals was not….and for good reason)……Ive never seen the Humane Society dumping slaughtered animals into dumpsters which is common practice for PETA…..The PETA heads will get back on their private jet and fly to the next photo op/money making proposition

  • RayPaulick

     Rob,
    Don’t confuses the “Humane Society” with the group that supervised production of “LUCK” and other movies/TV using animals. That is the American Humane Association. Completely different organization.

  • Greyfel

    Marybeth,
    Your years of work in the family entertainment industry gives you the right to your opinion based on your experiences. However, as well regulated as you might think those businesses are, they need to be.

    When there are grievances and improper conduct on the part of owners and bosses in the working world for humans, the humans can speak out for themselves. There are unions and many legal avenues for humans to use to rectify any abuses or injustices done to them.

    Animals, on the other hand, have no voice. They are shut away in barns,cages,pastures and god knows what other places people put animals. There is a horse living in a garage with no way to see the outside in Canada.He doesn’t get out much, it’s sad. Many people have tried to rescue him, but have not been successful so far.

    The reports of cruelty beyond comprehension in the Ringling Circus have been documented by former employees. Tales of abuse,intimidation and neglect abound. Ponies smashed in the face by a “handlers” fist, elephants bullhooked and prodded with cattle prods; all of this in the name of “family entertainment”. I believe those poor innocent animals are living in the seventh circle of hell and need to be rescued.

    Now, as far as the rodeos and racing and zoos and animal exhibits are concerned, horror stories are everywhere. Zoos that confine elephants until they are crippled with leg problems, rodeos that injure horses and cattle and dispose of them quickly when they can no longer perform. The racing world has many fine owners,trainers,jockeys and veterinarians working there. However, as in any profession, there are bad apples. The problem with it is that the horses have no voice except our voices, no relief unless they get moved to another barn, no help unless HSUS, PETA, SHARK,MSPCA, etc. continue to shine the light on the problems.

     How many times have you personally stood up for an animal that was being mistreated? How many owners of rodeos,circuses or race horses have you confronted when you see cruelty or neglect? Don’t tell me that a person of your experience and years in the business hasn’t been exposed to some kind of mistreatment in that regard.

    I do not want to see any of the animal welfare groups gagged or discontinued in any way. They are part of those industries, it goes with the territory, it should go with the territory….and you should not fight it, but you could lend your support, for the sake of the animals.

  • Greyfel

    Well, you just said it..if Outlaw had not landed the job on LUCK, “he otherwise could have been shipped off to Mexico for a gruesome fate after his racing career had dwindled to this point.”

    What about the above statement makes the racing industry a compassionate place for a horse to be? There aren’t that many movie or t.v. jobs for ex-race horses so I guess, in your own words, they get shipped.

  • Sheryl Kerstiens (Sheryl Chew)

    Wow this is crazy. So much mis information. Fluffy facts and stupidity posted by anonymous bloggers. Well since Matthew Chew is my brother. I can tell you that he worked on the Seabiscuit Movie. Huh, so what now. What do you do with that information. He takes great care of his horses. Mr./Mrs. Guest??? I would love to have a chat with you. Maybe I could inform you a bit more. This way you wouldn’t sound like such an ignoramus. I suppose in life we fall to such things as diarrhea of the mouth. Also known as Foot-in-Mouth disease. I guess we have all had it. Some learn quicker than others. I’m sure this will do no good. But maybe it will and at least I tried. My brother is one of the finest horseman I know. Good luck to you. I will pray for all of you.
    Sheryl Kerstiens (Sheryl Chew)

  • Greyfel

    Shades of Alydar? Does anyone really know the real story on him? A horse that ran nose to nose in all 3 triple crown races. A horse that courageously ran his heart out. Then he goes to the breeding shed and produces more racers, more money for his owners. And what happens? According to what has been told, he had his leg broken for the sake of the insurance money.
    He saved the farm but couldn’t save himself.
    What was the real story there? I wish I could have been a fly on the wall.
    Alydar was a beautiful thoroughbred.

  • Greyfel

    Right on Barbara. The cruelty and greed should stop.

  • Greyfel

    Bulls__t.

  • RayPaulick

     ACCORDING TO WHAT HAS BEEN TOLD???? By who, exactly?

    Look, Greyfel, there are suspicions by some well-informed people, but that’s all. Suspicions. Let’s remember that the insurance money was not enough to bail Calumet out of bankruptcy.

  • voiceofreason

    “Are we all finally ready to stand together and put an end to this crap?”
    NO! We are SOME ready to stand together and put an end to this crap. Just not the SOME in charge.

  • voiceofreason

    PETA, SCHMEETA. I’ll raise you two ETHICS to your PETA.

  • voiceofreason

    PETA, SCHMEETA. I’ll raise you two ETHICS to your PETA.

  • Merasmag

    InewInewU

  • Merasmag

    that would explain why u dknotnow highlimit…he was never a barnguy…i have no idea why u dknotnow what a bracket is            here’s a hint-it’sMarch

  • Merasmag

    and…in closing…a horse can shy at shadows that weigh…nothing

  • Marybeth MacKay

    Greyfel, seeing that you can’t bother use your real name on a real issue and you seem to spend lots of time lurking on the internet supporting PETA.  You are not worth my time and effort.  Have fun raising money for your dear Ingrid the rest of us will care for the animals.  Slap her upside the head for me!

  • JC

     I certainly don’t mean you.  You did the right things by your horse.  Kudos!!  :-) 

  • Greyfel

    Marybeth, I see you want to know my real name. It is Kathryn Baker and I am not hiding. I use greyfel in lots of online posts. I am not lurking any more than you, dear, since you seem to think that your opinions are more important or informed than mine.

    My time and effort is spent trying to speak out with clarity on the subject of animal welfare. As far as spending it on people like you, that is where the need is for discussion.

    I am not raising money for PETA or any other organization, I am happy to support organizations that are trying to change the way animals are treated and mistreated.

    You seem to have a chip on your shoulder, perhaps you should look inward at your own life and attitude and see if it is lilly white and as pure as you seem to think it is.

    I welcome any further comments, that is if you are “lurking” on the internet today.

    Kathryn Baker aka greyfel

  • Greyfel

    Ray, there was an entire book written about it. Also, it has been told and retold around many stables and I frankly believe it even though I cannot prove it nor can anyone else,they tried.

    Why would they insist on giving the night off to the man who was with Alydar most of the time when it was not his regular night off and he didn’t ask for it.

    There are lots of suppositions; he caught his leg and fought until he broke it, he fell in his stall, he kicked and damaged the leg beyond repair. I think not, I don’t believe them.

    Even if the money was not enough to bail them out completely, the place was mismanaged,and poorly run if they got themselves in the poor shape that they were in when Alydar mysteriously injured himself so badly that he could not be saved.

    You can say what you want, but I loved that horse, admired that horse, and I think the way he ended his life was really crummy
    .
    I have done a lot of reading on the subject and no one knows for sure what happened, but I have a right to say what I think; other people have spoken out about it.

    Does this answer satisfy you or do you have any more questions? I am happy to discuss it further if you wish. Thank you for your response.

    Kathryn Baker aka greyfel

  • Greyfel

    Ray, in response, yes, Wild Ride was a great book about the demise of a great racehorse.
    you are correct, it was not proven fact and I am only expressing my sadness and my opinion of what happened.

    I really loved the triple crown that year, my husband was all for Affirmed and I was for Alydar, of course he was very smug when Affirmed came out on top each time but by a small distance, very small.

    The battle between those two great racehorses took my breath away and I had hoped that they each would live long lives at stud. Affirmed fared much better than the courageous Alydar and it all seems so wrong…..

    I have owned thoroughbreds but have not participated in racing them, I frankly could not afford it. We participated in jumping and hunter events on a shoestring.

    I do have friends who are trainers and owners of racehorses. I love the sport but hate any cruelty or neglect or stupidity. I applaud all of the owners,trainers,jockeys and all other personnel who participate in racing. It is a thrilling sport and always will be.

     Especially now when so many things are electronic; a real life, gut wrenching horserace is an exciting thing to witness. 

  • Greyfel

    Ray, in response, yes, Wild Ride was a great book about the demise of a great racehorse.
    you are correct, it was not proven fact and I am only expressing my sadness and my opinion of what happened.

    I really loved the triple crown that year, my husband was all for Affirmed and I was for Alydar, of course he was very smug when Affirmed came out on top each time but by a small distance, very small.

    The battle between those two great racehorses took my breath away and I had hoped that they each would live long lives at stud. Affirmed fared much better than the courageous Alydar and it all seems so wrong…..

    I have owned thoroughbreds but have not participated in racing them, I frankly could not afford it. We participated in jumping and hunter events on a shoestring.

    I do have friends who are trainers and owners of racehorses. I love the sport but hate any cruelty or neglect or stupidity. I applaud all of the owners,trainers,jockeys and all other personnel who participate in racing. It is a thrilling sport and always will be.

     Especially now when so many things are electronic; a real life, gut wrenching horserace is an exciting thing to witness. 

  • James D. Jimenez

    Wes Champagne shod horses for Mr. Frankel after Duane Stucki so I never put Glue On shoes on for him again as Wes is a very good blacksmith. Therefore the name High Limit has no meaning to me at all. 

    Not a basketball fan but I do understand March madness. I’m not a gambler and didn’t think you were talking basketball in this link about racing.

    Do I know you? Stop by and say hi!

    Why don’t people post using their real names? Seems it would be better than hiding and talking crap!

  • James D. Jimenez

    High Limit was never a barn guy??? 

    Sorry, I do not understand this statement.

  • Merasmag

     u r a momo(TM)

  • guest
  • guest

    http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Wo
    Interesting report on PETA

  • Merasmag

    wow…ms. baker my hat is off2u

  • Merasmag

    my “real” name wood mean 0 2U

  • Merasmag

    i was gonna say barnrat but i thought that was 2 derogatory

  • James D. Jimenez

    Then maybe you do not know me after all. Stop by and say hi, would love to meet you. Best to you.

  • Greyfel

    Merasmag, thanks 2u

  • James D. Jimenez

    A low dose of Bute is commonly put into the horses feed daily for maintenance. Banamine was probably used on days of filming. Sol-U Delta Cortef is used on horses that tie up in works or to keep a horse calm. It is now tested for so it is not used on runners. It is also given by Vets to horses under stress, such as in a break down situation, so that the Vet can evaluate the animal. 
    Torbugesic is used by many Vets prior to giving giving euthanasia. The Torbugesic will keep the horse from flipping while the euthanasia is injected.
    So for your information 3 of those drugs can and are given to a horse prior to training or working especially if the horse was not being tested such as being worked to get off the Vet’s List.
    Very unlikely that the Torbugesic would be used. It was probably used prior to the horse being euthanized. 
    On that I’m right! You are not addressing a Johnny Come Lately!Now you can speak to a veterinarian. 

    Ray,
    I see you still haven’t responded to this post. 
    Did you talk to your veterinarian and find out what was written was indeed true?

    James

  • lillian

    That is the Hollywood Version

  • http://www.facebook.com/Rockybudgeboa Leslie M. Bliman-Kuretzky

    To heck with PETA. Makes one wonder if they really do care :(

  • http://www.facebook.com/Rockybudgeboa Leslie M. Bliman-Kuretzky

    To heck with PETA. Makes one wonder if they really do care :(

  • Bonnie

    This type of reporting is when Ray is at his best.  Just a great job.
      

  • Bonnie

    This type of reporting is when Ray is at his best.  Just a great job.
      

  • Alison Thompson

    Ray, while I appreciate the thoughts you give in this “last word” piece, isn’t the problem that no one is making a pre-emptive strike on issues that have PETA written all over them?  Wouldn’t it have been better to put this piece out BEFORE PETA “leaked to the press” their story?   Isn’t that what a true journalist does?  

    I’d say that the 40+ horses that have likely been sent to slaughter in Lexington would be such a story.   Too bad you’ve passed on it. 

  • Alison Thompson

    Ray, while I appreciate the thoughts you give in this “last word” piece, isn’t the problem that no one is making a pre-emptive strike on issues that have PETA written all over them?  Wouldn’t it have been better to put this piece out BEFORE PETA “leaked to the press” their story?   Isn’t that what a true journalist does?  

    I’d say that the 40+ horses that have likely been sent to slaughter in Lexington would be such a story.   Too bad you’ve passed on it. 

  • Jazzpaperscissors

    I am really tired of these PETA people. They would have us think that everyone who works with animals —– in racing, circuses, zoos, etc——- cares nothing for animals. Considering the effort and expense required to care for animals, especially large animals, the PETA stance is questionable to begin with. And their tax returns tell the truth of what they really care about, their salaries and media attention. LUCK was a wonderful show and was really doing a lot to illuminate the dark side of racing through story-telling. I’m very sorry to see it go and I have no doubt they were making every effort to keep their animal actors safe.

    • Greyfel

      Jazzpaperscissors,

      PETA hater that you are, you’re entitled to your opinion, but your statement that effort and expense  spent to care for animals makes circuses,zoos,racing stables,etc. humane and wonderful places for the animals is so naive.
       
      What do you think they would do with their expensive inventory? They are  going to take care of it enough to keep it performing aren’t they? They don’t have to love it or care if it is happy or well adjusted. Are you familiar with wound coat? Have you looked at some of the videos of the elephants and their mistreatment at the hands of cretins that work for Ringling?

       If you went to zoos several years ago you would have seen some very miserable animals in some cases. Things have improved, but only because PETA and groups like it have shone the light on the roaches.

      When I was very young I was taken to the zoo in Atlanta. I remember seeing a huge gorilla sitting in a concrete cage with only a tire on a chain to keep him company. Years later I read that the same gorilla had finally been given a decent place to live and companionship of his own kind. After years,years and years of a lonely and bleak existance, the animal rights groups complained enough to force a change in that poor animal’s life.

      I was 8 years old when I was taken to the zoo there. I read about that gorilla when I was grown and married. I was too young at the time to know what a horrible life he was living or to do anything about it.

      Now I see and know what is true and real and what is put on for show. There are good and bad circuses,zoos and racing stables. There is no reason to believe that just because it costs a lot to keep an animal alive that it is being treated well or properly, or that it will be cared for after it is no longer of use to its owner.

  • Jazzpaperscissors

    I am really tired of these PETA people. They would have us think that everyone who works with animals —– in racing, circuses, zoos, etc——- cares nothing for animals. Considering the effort and expense required to care for animals, especially large animals, the PETA stance is questionable to begin with. And their tax returns tell the truth of what they really care about, their salaries and media attention. LUCK was a wonderful show and was really doing a lot to illuminate the dark side of racing through story-telling. I’m very sorry to see it go and I have no doubt they were making every effort to keep their animal actors safe.

  • Greyfel

    Jazzpaperscissors,

    PETA hater that you are, you’re entitled to your opinion, but your statement that effort and expense  spent to care for animals makes circuses,zoos,racing stables,etc. humane and wonderful places for the animals is so naive.
     
    What do you think they would do with their expensive inventory? They are  going to take care of it enough to keep it performing aren’t they? They don’t have to love it or care if it is happy or well adjusted. Are you familiar with wound coat? Have you looked at some of the videos of the elephants and their mistreatment at the hands of cretins that work for Ringling?

     If you went to zoos several years ago you would have seen some very miserable animals in some cases. Things have improved, but only because PETA and groups like it have shone the light on the roaches.

    When I was very young I was taken to the zoo in Atlanta. I remember seeing a huge gorilla sitting in a concrete cage with only a tire on a chain to keep him company. Years later I read that the same gorilla had finally been given a decent place to live and companionship of his own kind. After years,years and years of a lonely and bleak existance, the animal rights groups complained enough to force a change in that poor animal’s life.

    I was 8 years old when I was taken to the zoo there. I read about that gorilla when I was grown and married. I was too young at the time to know what a horrible life he was living or to do anything about it.

    Now I see and know what is true and real and what is put on for show. There are good and bad circuses,zoos and racing stables. There is no reason to believe that just because it costs a lot to keep an animal alive that it is being treated well or properly, or that it will be cared for after it is no longer of use to its owner.

  • peta sucks

     People Eating Tasty Animals: Unethical psychopaths for animals since 1980

  • OooShiny

    I eagerly anticipated Luck on HBO.  The wildly successful Sopranos had ended, so there was a huge void only HBO had the skill to fill.  I knew nothing about the business of horse, the racing or the gambling on both, but the premise was very exciting and wide-open to Soprano-esque shenanigans and Owning Mahowny-type tales from the dark side of the track.

    And the lead was Dustin Hoffman.  Dustin Hoffman!  On TV!  How could this possibly fail?
     
    I watched the pilot.  Then watched it again to try to understand it.  Then watched it again desperately trying to find something, anything, interesting.  I tried to find a character to like, or one I loved to hate.  I tried to find a story in there, somewhere. 
     
    I wanted to like Luck.  I tried to like Luck.  It’s got Dustin Huffman, for crying out loud.  But no matter how hard I tried, not once could I stay engaged through one entire episode.  Not once.  
     
    The horse deaths were very sad, and with three NOT being the lucky charm, report of the third horse death cast a foreboding dark cloud over production.  With the series name being what it was, and with so very little of its name coming true, it was time to change its name to Curse. 
     
    By the time the horse deaths became public knowledge, I had already reluctantly abandoned the show; it was simply unwatchable.  The horse deaths had zero impact on my enjoyment of the show because, for me, the show was already over by the time I heard the news.

  • OooShiny

    I eagerly anticipated Luck on HBO.  The wildly successful Sopranos had ended, so there was a huge void only HBO had the skill to fill.  I knew nothing about the business of horse, the racing or the gambling on both, but the premise was very exciting and wide-open to Soprano-esque shenanigans and Owning Mahowny-type tales from the dark side of the track.

    And the lead was Dustin Hoffman.  Dustin Hoffman!  On TV!  How could this possibly fail?
     
    I watched the pilot.  Then watched it again to try to understand it.  Then watched it again desperately trying to find something, anything, interesting.  I tried to find a character to like, or one I loved to hate.  I tried to find a story in there, somewhere. 
     
    I wanted to like Luck.  I tried to like Luck.  It’s got Dustin Huffman, for crying out loud.  But no matter how hard I tried, not once could I stay engaged through one entire episode.  Not once.  
     
    The horse deaths were very sad, and with three NOT being the lucky charm, report of the third horse death cast a foreboding dark cloud over production.  With the series name being what it was, and with so very little of its name coming true, it was time to change its name to Curse. 
     
    By the time the horse deaths became public knowledge, I had already reluctantly abandoned the show; it was simply unwatchable.  The horse deaths had zero impact on my enjoyment of the show because, for me, the show was already over by the time I heard the news.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/GKF2HJKOS7X3JJRCUNFTOZV3JA Fluffy

    Do you know what happens to a race horse that can’t race anymore? Whether it is due to injury or age, these fine creatures were given a second lease on life and have now been sentenced to death because plain and simple horses are expensive to raise, and maintain.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/GKF2HJKOS7X3JJRCUNFTOZV3JA Fluffy

    Do you know what happens to a race horse that can’t race anymore? Whether it is due to injury or age, these fine creatures were given a second lease on life and have now been sentenced to death because plain and simple horses are expensive to raise, and maintain.

  • Shannon Baker

    I came across this story and tried to see if I could figure out who was telling the truth. Fact is, I don’t know, I wasn’t there. However, I can try to look at certain things I can fact check and see if they are true or false. Keeping in mind, I’m not trying to weigh in with any emotional feelings one way or the other, I’m purely trying to see what the truth is.

    There’s a lot I can’t fact check, but I can say one thing, this report is absolutely wrong about PETA’s financial statement (that is something I can check). In fact, its no where close to what they say. Just check out charity navigator to see for yourself. They spent 83% on the program, 16% on fundraising, and less than 1% on their salaries. I just have a hard time believing someone calling others out for sloppy reporting when they are doing the same thing. Once again, not trying to take sides…but I can state with fact that portions of the above aren’t true. Now…I’ll attempt to do the same for PETA…will probably find out they are all lying! ;)

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