Reed suspended 21 years for frog juice in New Mexico

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Trainer Jeffrey Heath Reed, currently suspended due to medication violations Trainer Jeffrey Heath Reed, currently suspended due to medication violations

Quarter horse trainer Jeffrey Heath Reed has been suspended 21 years and fined $23,000 by New Mexico stewards after four horses in his stable tested positive for the Class 1 drug dermorphin in futurity trials at Ruidoso Downs in May. Another trainer, Carlos Sedillo, received a 10-year suspension and $10,000 fine for two positive drug test for dermorphin, widely referred to as frog juice, from the same trials for the Ruidoso Futurity on May 25.

A fifth positive test by a Reed-trained runner was dropped due to unclear reading of the sample label, according to New Mexico Racing Commission director Vince Mares. Reed’s suspension includes a one-year ban because two of the horses in question also tested positive for stanozolol, an anabolic steroid.

One of the frog-juiced horses trained by Reed, Jess A Zoomin, broke down and was euthanized after winning a trial for the All American Futurity at Ruidoso Downs on Aug. 16.

According to the American Quarter Horse Association Reed was the sixth-ranked trainer by money-won in North America in 2011, when he won the All American Derby with Llano Teller. He currently ranks 41st in the AQHA money standings, with 23 wins from 168 starts.

Sedillo is 16th by money-won nationally in 2012.

Horses trained by Reed and Sedillo won seven of the 25 Ruidoso Futurity trial races on May 25, all of the horses testing positive for dermorphin. An eighth winner, trained by John Bassett, also tested positive for the drug that, in its natural form, is derived from South American tree frogs. It is believed the dermorphin used in horse racing is synthetically manufactured or compounded.

Bassett received a 10-year suspension and $10,000 fine for two dermophin positives from the trials (in addition to a winner, a third-place finisher was found to have the drug in post-race samples).

All of the trainers have the right to appeal to the New Mexico Racing Commission. If upheld, they may seek a temporary restraining order in through the courts.

Trainer Reed received a 21 year suspension, $23,000 fine and loss of Purse for 4 Demorphine violations and 2 Stanzonoal violations. . One of his Demorphine positive was dismissed due to unclear reading of the sample label. Trainer Sedillo received a 10-year suspension, $10,000 fine and loss of purse.

On Friday, the Louisiana State Racing Commission suspended eight Quarter horse and Thoroughbred trainers for dermorphin positive tests. Those suspensions ranged from three to 10 years each.

Following are the Reed and Sedillo horses that tested positive for dermorphin from the May 25 Ruidoso Futurity trials (it wasn’t immediately known which of the charges against Reed was dismissed).

One Classy Eagle, owned by Ted G. Abrams and trained by J. Heath Reed (dermorphin)


D M Red Tide, owned by Bradley Hale, Wade Helton and Bill Moler and trained by J. Heath Reed (dermorphin and stanozolol)


Teller Im Scootan, owned by Wootan Racing and trained by J. Heath Reed (dermorphin)


Jess a Zoomin, owned by Ted G. Abrams and trained by J. Heath Reed (dermorphin)


Joker on Jack, owned by Wade Helton and trained by J. Heath Reed (dermorphin and stanozolol)


Greater Still, owned by Paul Blanchard and trained by Carlos Sedillo (dermorphin)


Ill Stop the World, owned by Ron Hanna and trained by Carlos Sedillo (dermorphin)

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  • Michael J. Arndt

    Can we get this New Mexico Racing Commission to give educational seminars on how to properly work these cases thru the system and get a timely result? Bravo NMRC!!

    • Stanley inman

      Michael,
      I wouldn’t be too quick with celebrating a “win”
      In New Mexico’s world of sport.
      In Texas
      Cheating in a fishing tournament can get you 10 years and a 10k fine.
      This punishment for blatant
      Animal abuse
      And negligence For unnecessary risking of life (every rider & horse)
      Was way to lite.
      Just another nail in the coffin of a sport we love;
      More evidence for fed intervention.

      • RayeSource

        All these delays, caused horses behind in times to miss out on the finals.  Some where the owner of the excluded horse should be at least compansated for last place if nothing else.  There is quite a domino affect here and it definitely needs to be addressed.

      • http://Bellwether4u.com James Staples

        stay tuned Stan as the NEXT NAIL is going in the CHEATERS/REPETERS @SSES…the jerks will NEVER kill “THE GAME”…BOOK THAT!!!…ty…

  • Michael J. Arndt

    Can we get this New Mexico Racing Commission to give educational seminars on how to properly work these cases thru the system and get a timely result? Bravo NMRC!!

  • LORY

    the THE AQHA is still silent !

    • http://Bellwether4u.com James Staples

      JUST LIKE THE TRA…WHAT ELSE WOULD ONE EXPECT FROM THAT CROWD???…ty…

    • Mr. Moo

      and the DEA, and the state police how about the track operator should do a “vacate the premisis” the AQHA (I am a member) could revoke memberships and they should if anyone of them are “IF” the owners knew then they are culpable as well. Trust me .. The owner doesn’t always know

  • LORY

    the THE AQHA is still silent !

  • SteveG

    Perhaps it’s just me but to my eyes the photo of Mr. Reed bears an eerie resemblance to a sort of contented amphibian.  :)

    (apologizing in advance for such a shallow observation)

  • SteveG

    Perhaps it’s just me but to my eyes the photo of Mr. Reed bears an eerie resemblance to a sort of contented amphibian.  :)

    (apologizing in advance for such a shallow observation)

  • DavdiB

    In my search for enlightenment I googled Dermorphin, and in addition to the usual Wiki stuff, look what I found. http://www.genwaybio.com/dermorphin  So, does this mean I can buy this stuff on the internet? For $169? I obviously didn’t proceed through checkout, so I don’t know if they ask for credentials, but it sure didn’t seem that way. Yikes.

    • Sandbox

       sure is easier than lickin’ the little fellars!  Ribbit!

  • DavdiB

    In my search for enlightenment I googled Dermorphin, and in addition to the usual Wiki stuff, look what I found. http://www.genwaybio.com/dermo…  So, does this mean I can buy this stuff on the internet? For $169? I obviously didn’t proceed through checkout, so I don’t know if they ask for credentials, but it sure didn’t seem that way. Yikes.

  • Sandbox

     sure is easier than lickin’ the little fellars!  Ribbit!

  • ziggypop

    Bravo!!!

  • ziggypop

    Bravo!!!

  • Beachy

    I will never understand the “people”(term used loosely) who believe that training and caring for horses includes THIS.  Oh, WOW, you WON–but first you hopped him/her up on mega-morphine!!  Shameful–for most people, “everything they need to know they learned in kindergarten”; but, “cheaters never win” is a toughie for some neurons(they’re not even organized enough to be referred to as a “brain”…) DUH…and big prayers for the horses at these “people’s” mercy… :-( 

    • Yovankajojo

      sounds like they will do anything to win,I agree with you those poor horses

  • Beachy

    I will never understand the “people”(term used loosely) who believe that training and caring for horses includes THIS.  Oh, WOW, you WON–but first you hopped him/her up on mega-morphine!!  Shameful–for most people, “everything they need to know they learned in kindergarten”; but, “cheaters never win” is a toughie for some neurons(they’re not even organized enough to be referred to as a “brain”…) DUH…and big prayers for the horses at these “people’s” mercy… :-( 

  • Don Reed

    I didn’t do it.

  • Don Reed

    I didn’t do it.

    • Wsiegel

      Be careful praising the NM commission just yet. If they really had acted in a timely manner, Jess A Zoomin would not have broke down almost 3 months later. And yes these trainers are criminals and should be treated as such.
      What’s it going to take to stop these guys? A dead Jockey? Most of these guys are already bragging about their appeal process and how they will finish the year winning races. I just don’t know how owners allow this kind of behavior and treatment of their equine athletes!

      • Kbg11

        yes atleast one horse would have been saved for sure….:(

      • LORY

        that horse probably had conformation issues and may not have been related to bad test. won big broke down pulling up

        • Kbg11

          arel  you kidding? conformation problems, a horse doesnt need dermorphin unless its sore!!Q!! sore horse should not run, now you are insulting the owner and trainer for buying that horse

      • J.S.

        Well, that is a problem too. There are good owners and bad owners. To some it is all about ego and money, period. The horse be damned.

      • Treyorr

         It’s called GREED!

      • nu-fan

        Wsiegel:  And the owners would say “Gee, I didn’t know….”  Yeah.  Sure.  Or, if they didn’t, I’d have to ask “Why didn’t you?  Don’t you make it your business to know what is going on with those you hire?”

        • Kbg11

          owners, unles very very new, know exactly why they hire a Trainer, I hear it all the time, oh that one wins, dont care what it takes, or that one is probably using the newest deal, etc, then take it one step further, there are some that just dont care, want to win at all cost,and a lot of time it is at the horses cost,, again I am for the horse, I know trainers that only feed alfalfa, no  grain during training, show and race, it makes them weak , so easier to train.But dont think about nutrients they need in that 6 month period. Mind you these are vivacious growing babies.  Then its steroids to make them bulk up and be aggessive, then compound clenbuterol to really bulk them up, then a little over clenbuterol, its a disgusting way to train, oh and dont forget big trainers, have a lot of horses, not enough help, so the walker works your horse, seen it manytimes!  maybe their first gate work, is a blast out of the gate for an official work.and on to your first raced, and pray to god it goes straight.and back to WSiegel, yes he has paid big attention, trust me in who he is hiring.thus the reason why things are the way they are.

          • nu-fan

            Kbg11:  First, I hope I didn’t miscommunicate.  The “you” I was referring to was a generic “you” directed to those owners who hide behind lame excuses, but, definitely, not directed at WSiegel.  Just wanted to make that clear.  But, back to owners:  Most of what I have seen or read directs attention to vets and trainers.  Sure, they are integral to the whole game.  But, so often, it seems like the owners are not held to the same degree of accountability.  That, I find odd since they are the ones who hire the trainers, who, then, hire the others.  But, it all stems with the owner.  If owners were held accountable with big financial fines, they might not want to risk a future financial loss and, then, either get out of horseracing or, perhaps, play the game in an ethical way.  And, I cannot believe that owners are that naive that they don’t know who they are hiring.  Yes, I agree with you.  In their minds, the end justifies the means.  It’s all about greed, true ineptitude, or self-puffery (to say that they have a winning racehorse).

  • Turflinda9

    I cannot wait for the day when true horsemenship once again rules the game, instead of who is up on the latest drug..then we will see who wins the majority of the races and what trainers hit a long, unexplained slumps. Just hoping other states follow the lead of N.M. and La.

    • Warren Eves

      Amen to those comments.  Was discussing that very issue with a former California trainer named Bobby Rose today.  

  • Turflinda9

    I cannot wait for the day when true horsemenship once again rules the game, instead of who is up on the latest drug..then we will see who wins the majority of the races and what trainers hit a long, unexplained slumps. Just hoping other states follow the lead of N.M. and La.

  • Yo soy fiesta

    And the red (state) queen (Gov Susanna Martinez) said “off with their heads!”

    I’ve been telling you guys that the level of embarassment brought to our state by the NYT articles would pay dividends.

    “Do you know what s^#t clouds bring? S&*t storms”. Jim Lahey

  • Yo soy fiesta

    And the red (state) queen (Gov Susanna Martinez) said “off with their heads!”

    I’ve been telling you guys that the level of embarassment brought to our state by the NYT articles would pay dividends.

    “Do you know what s^#t clouds bring? S&*t storms”. Jim Lahey

  • McGov

    That’s great…21 year suspension.  How about throwing crooks in JAIL?  I’m Canadian and I love hockey and I love hockey fights…but sometimes it gets out of hand and I’ve often wondered…how is it this isn’t criminal?  I mean some guys take a serious beating and end up with serious injuries…off the ice and they’d both go to jail…I guess in sports the coppers just don’t get involved.

    • LORY

      i hear after racing commission is done all info to be handed over to att gen for criminal prosecution .

  • Rlewis3405

    These guys have been getting away with cheating for years, it is only because they train for wealthly people that they get by with it. Paul Jones for example.

    • Saumell7

      Is Kim G from Calf on line againnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

      • Kbg11

        lisa, I use my own name on everygthing, and nope, not on againnnnnnnnn

    • RayeSource

      If I remember corrctly, he had a hearing in NM but I don’t know the out come or what it was for.  Never heard anything after the hearing was postponed.

      • Kbg11

        Maybe because it still extended, now that it has been brought to my attention……Im just sayin, if vince mares answers that question from me, I will let you know, he said september, but its past that now 

        • RayeSource

           Thank you, I would appreciate that. 

          I also heard Chris Hartman had his formal appeal hearing and lost, yet he has since won a race in Remington Park and Zia Park.  Do you know anything about that?

          • Kbg11

            paul jones nov 1

    • Cowpny

      why would you single out P.J ?

  • Rlewis3405

    These guys have been getting away with cheating for years, it is only because they train for wealthly people that they get by with it. Paul Jones for example.

  • Saumell7

    Is Kim G from Calf on line againnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

  • Warren Eves

    Wonder if the clown act we know as the CHRB is taking notes.  The useless CHRB has welcomed chronic rule breakers like trainer Patrick Biancone and Pat “Break All Rules” Val to continue doing what ever they choose to do.  It’s been a pathetic situation for a long time in California.  It’s a kick in the gut to those who abide by the loosely written mandates one finds in the CHRB rulebook.  Wouldn’t it be nice if they suddenly decided to get serious about rule breakers, sit down and put teeth in their mandartes?  

  • Warren Eves

    Wonder if the clown act we know as the CHRB is taking notes.  The useless CHRB has welcomed chronic rule breakers like trainer Patrick Biancone and Pat “Break All Rules” Val to continue doing what ever they choose to do.  It’s been a pathetic situation for a long time in California.  It’s a kick in the gut to those who abide by the loosely written mandates one finds in the CHRB rulebook.  Wouldn’t it be nice if they suddenly decided to get serious about rule breakers, sit down and put teeth in their mandartes?  

  • Warren Eves

    Amen to those comments.  Was discussing that very issue with a former California trainer named Bobby Rose today.  

  • Riovalley2

    Now maybe some other owners/trainers have a chance to win something!

  • Riovalley2

    Now maybe some other owners/trainers have a chance to win something!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/NM4J5RVFFKHXFV73JFLDKLNQRU AndyT

    why cant New York state be as harsh as New Mexico? Good for them!…
    The appeal process is a joke though, for all states…let them appeal, however they cant run any horses till they are cleared of all charges

    • Treyorr0124

       Although I somewhat agree with you.It totally goes against our very core of our system of you are innocent until proven guilty.Kind of like not being able to be bonded out of jail for a charge you may or may not be actually guilty of.
      But once they are proven to be guilty-then let the hammer down on their ass.
      The thing about so harsh penalties on some owners and trainers is what if(and we know it happens) some one walks by your horses stall one night and tosses in something the horse would eat that will surely get them a bad test and banned.They need to tighten up security as well.If someone has it in for you–say a jealous trainer or mad owner or pissed off jockey-anyone that has access to the stall area can always sabotage your horse or horses.

      • Kbg11

        this is the trainers responsibity!  hire people who wil be faithful and watch all night, dont go in my trainers barn, you will get your head cut off if you are out of line or not known, again trainers responsiblity

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/NM4J5RVFFKHXFV73JFLDKLNQRU AndyT

    why cant New York state be as harsh as New Mexico? Good for them!…
    The appeal process is a joke though, for all states…let them appeal, however they cant run any horses till they are cleared of all charges

  • 007_QH

    Just below the fold the article reads: “Horses trained by Reed and Sedillo won seven of the 25 All American Futurity trial races on May 25″.  Should be “won seven of the 25 Ruidoso Futurity trial races”.  One thing to point out is that Jess A Zoomin tested positive on May 25, but broke down in another trial race on August 16 (Could have been drugged that time too).

    It will be interesting to see if these penalties create the long term improvement in NM racing that we all want to see.  They need to be consistent with their penalties and with their testing for it to work.  Standards across the board and the ability to test for new drugs as they appear is where the focus needs to be.

    • RayeSource

      And the delay between the bad test be acted upon before the horse is allowed to run back in the finals or consolations.  There needs to be a time limit if the trainer has a right to send a split off.  In the case of NM, the selected split  lab had at least a 30 day delay in testing the suspected splits.  That’s just not acceptable.

  • 007_QH

    Just below the fold the article reads: “Horses trained by Reed and Sedillo won seven of the 25 All American Futurity trial races on May 25″.  Should be “won seven of the 25 Ruidoso Futurity trial races”.  One thing to point out is that Jess A Zoomin tested positive on May 25, but broke down in another trial race on August 16 (Could have been drugged that time too).

    It will be interesting to see if these penalties create the long term improvement in NM racing that we all want to see.  They need to be consistent with their penalties and with their testing for it to work.  Standards across the board and the ability to test for new drugs as they appear is where the focus needs to be.

  • http://Bellwether4u.com James Staples

    NOW THEY ARE COOK N THEIR ASSES!!!…TB RACING NEXT!!!…ty New Mexico!!!…

  • http://Bellwether4u.com James Staples

    NOW THEY ARE COOK N THEIR ASSES!!!…TB RACING NEXT!!!…ty New Mexico!!!…

  • http://Bellwether4u.com James Staples

    JUST LIKE THE TRA…WHAT ELSE WOULD ONE EXPECT FROM THAT CROWD???…ty…

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Luis-E-Astacio/1437755043 Luis E Astacio

    It should have been LIFE suspension.

    • LORY

      pretty much is he is a big chubby guy i doubt he will live that long or anyone will remember him then

    • Seven7

      how about you are put down for life. if you don’t know anything then just keep it shut

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Luis-E-Astacio/1437755043 Luis E Astacio

    It should have been LIFE suspension.

  • Kbg11

    lisa, I use my own name on everygthing, and nope, not on againnnnnnnnn

  • linda burt

    How sad for racing and for the owners. They intrusted these trainers with their prized posession and then kicked in the face all do too greed and the power of winning!

    Linda Burt

  • linda burt

    How sad for racing and for the owners. They intrusted these trainers with their prized posession and then kicked in the face all do too greed and the power of winning!

    Linda Burt

  • wonder

    Does anybody have any idea what is happening with the Oklahoma cases? ive heard different things about all the cases getting thrown out, that would be terrible!

    • La Paloma

       I too am wondering what the Oklahoma Racing Commission has decided. Hope PR post a list of the guilty trainers.

    • Perks

      I think there are OK hearings on the 18th. No idea who though.

      • Kbg11

        today

        • Dbthndr

          They had hearings in Oklahoma today??

  • wonder

    Does anybody have any idea what is happening with the Oklahoma cases? ive heard different things about all the cases getting thrown out, that would be terrible!

  • Wsiegel

    Be careful praising the NM commission just yet. If they really had acted in a timely manner, Jess A Zoomin would not have broke down almost 3 months later. And yes these trainers are criminals and should be treated as such.
    What’s it going to take to stop these guys? A dead Jockey? Most of these guys are already bragging about their appeal process and how they will finish the year winning races. I just don’t know how owners allow this kind of behavior and treatment of their equine athletes!

  • Kbg11

    yes atleast one horse would have been saved for sure….:(

  • snazzygirl

    Thank you for listing the names of the owners – maybe they will take better care of their horses if their names become public.  I agree – during the appeal process (which all those trainers will take advantage of), they should not be allowed to start any horse at any racetrack.

  • snazzygirl

    Thank you for listing the names of the owners – maybe they will take better care of their horses if their names become public.  I agree – during the appeal process (which all those trainers will take advantage of), they should not be allowed to start any horse at any racetrack.

  • Greatform4

    Hopefully this will prevent more tragedies like Jess A Zoomin. One is not a true horseman if you really believe that the end always justifies the means. The good people in this industry need to take it back from the arrogant cheaters that have risen to the top on the backs of ruined horses!

  • Greatform4

    Hopefully this will prevent more tragedies like Jess A Zoomin. One is not a true horseman if you really believe that the end always justifies the means. The good people in this industry need to take it back from the arrogant cheaters that have risen to the top on the backs of ruined horses!

  • La Paloma

     I too am wondering what the Oklahoma Racing Commission has decided. Hope PR post a list of the guilty trainers.

  • LORY

    pretty much is he is a big chubby guy i doubt he will live that long or anyone will remember him then

  • LORY

    that horse probably had conformation issues and may not have been related to bad test. won big broke down pulling up

  • Mr. Moo

    and the DEA, and the state police how about the track operator should do a “vacate the premisis” the AQHA (I am a member) could revoke memberships and they should if anyone of them are “IF” the owners knew then they are culpable as well. Trust me .. The owner doesn’t always know

  • War

    Okay now who is the vet and why would a legit vet knowingly give a horse something that is ILLEGAL when racing PERIOD. Seems to me this is a very important question that begs to be answered in these cases.

    Last time i checked the majority of trainers do not have degrees in chemistry and i bet many couldn’t even identify what bottle the vet used to inject their horses with. The vast majority of trainers i worked for or observed usually are not even present when horses are given injections before races.

    • RealDeal Racehorse Trainer!

      War, you obviously are IGNORANT on this topic. Vets do not have to be present when these “drugs” are administered. Any legit horseman/trainer can give a shot in the “main-line” and these types of drugs are given in small doses DAILY, waayyy before race day! Most vets are legit and unaware of daily goings on at a particular trainers barn. They are only called on when need be. Youre the type that will probably bring OBAMA in on the conversation soon. Do not comment when you do not know what the hell youre talking about. I am now dumber having read your post! … 

      • Kbg11

        haha, especially when they can order it onliine

  • War

    Okay now who is the vet and why would a legit vet knowingly give a horse something that is ILLEGAL when racing PERIOD. Seems to me this is a very important question that begs to be answered in these cases.

    Last time i checked the majority of trainers do not have degrees in chemistry and i bet many couldn’t even identify what bottle the vet used to inject their horses with. The vast majority of trainers i worked for or observed usually are not even present when horses are given injections before races.

  • Yovankajojo

    sounds like they will do anything to win,I agree with you those poor horses

  • Meyer1127

    Perhaps it needs to go a little further and set the horses down as well and the owners given sometime off also to think about the type of trainers they are using?

    • nu-fan

      “…to think about the type of trainers they are using?”  Precisely!

    • Kbg11

      now your’e talking, this is what needs to happen, not just change to another trainer! that is if your horse is still alive

  • Meyer1127

    Perhaps it needs to go a little further and set the horses down as well and the owners given sometime off also to think about the type of trainers they are using?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/X6T4OMGFLDP6TOJLIZ3JAQLZEM Race horse

    How about them VETS , they are just as guilty as the trainer, if not more so,  Raid the vets, from time to time.. test the stuff they carry in concieled bottles or wrongly labeled bottles,  

    HEY  CHRB  IN CALIFORNIA  ARE YOU TAKING NOTES ON THIS..?  ITS TIME TO CLEAN HOUSE  ONE GUY CANT DO IT ON ITS OWN..  PLUS ITS NOT HIS JOB TO DO IT.. ITS YOUR JOB TO GOVERN HE SPORT.    STAND UP TO YOUR OWN LAWS, REGULATIONS, YOU GUYS ARE HIDING BEHIND YOUR OWN LAW, RULE BOOKS,  WE NEED REAL PEOPLE WITH B#### !

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/X6T4OMGFLDP6TOJLIZ3JAQLZEM Race horse

    How about them VETS , they are just as guilty as the trainer, if not more so,  Raid the vets, from time to time.. test the stuff they carry in concieled bottles or wrongly labeled bottles,  

    HEY  CHRB  IN CALIFORNIA  ARE YOU TAKING NOTES ON THIS..?  ITS TIME TO CLEAN HOUSE  ONE GUY CANT DO IT ON ITS OWN..  PLUS ITS NOT HIS JOB TO DO IT.. ITS YOUR JOB TO GOVERN HE SPORT.    STAND UP TO YOUR OWN LAWS, REGULATIONS, YOU GUYS ARE HIDING BEHIND YOUR OWN LAW, RULE BOOKS,  WE NEED REAL PEOPLE WITH B#### !

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/X6T4OMGFLDP6TOJLIZ3JAQLZEM Race horse

    California here we come..  all the tainted trainers are knocking on Californias race tracks please let us in. 

    California does not have the courage to stop this,  Is CHRB corrupt ? or weak in standing up for what they stand for ?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/X6T4OMGFLDP6TOJLIZ3JAQLZEM Race horse

    California here we come..  all the tainted trainers are knocking on Californias race tracks please let us in. 

    California does not have the courage to stop this,  Is CHRB corrupt ? or weak in standing up for what they stand for ?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/X6T4OMGFLDP6TOJLIZ3JAQLZEM Race horse

    California here we come…  all the tainted trainers  knocking on California race tracks  ..

    Is CHRB corrupt or weak at what they should stand for ?

    • nu-fan

      Race horse:  What are you referring to?  Please be specific about the corruption that you see with the CHRB.  And, do you have any facts that tainted trainers are knocking on the California race tracks?  Any specifics?  Give me the info.  Thanks.

      • Kbg11

        chrb is about the only commission to do things in a timely matter to date!

        • nu-fan

          Kbg11:  Thanks, again, for the reply.  I get a little alarmed when I hear about anything that might be corrupt regarding horseracing (and the welfare of the horses) in my state.  And, I would not hesitate in going down to the CHRB state office in Sacramento (know where it is located) and inquire if there was something seriously amiss.  However, I never did hear back from them when I just wanted to know what their investigation yielded regarding the five horses that died within a two week period at Del Mar (this past summer).  I know that two of the horses suffered heart attacks but do not know about the other three.  However, five horses in two weeks?  That, for a fan (me) is over the top!  Those statistics tell me that this was “significant”.

    • Kbg11

      but allred is not weak, ask a few ex trainers there

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/X6T4OMGFLDP6TOJLIZ3JAQLZEM Race horse

    California here we come…  all the tainted trainers  knocking on California race tracks  ..

    Is CHRB corrupt or weak at what they should stand for ?

  • Stanley inman

    Michael,
    I wouldn’t be too quick with celebrating a “win”
    In New Mexico’s world of sport.
    In Texas
    Cheating in a fishing tournament can get you 10 years and a 10k fine.
    This punishment for blatant
    Animal abuse
    And negligence For unnecessary risking of life (every rider & horse)
    Was way to lite.
    Just another nail in the coffin of a sport we love;
    More evidence for fed intervention.

  • J.S.

    Well, that is a problem too. There are good owners and bad owners. To some it is all about ego and money, period. The horse be damned.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1037781156 Charles Hogan

    Should be Life

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1037781156 Charles Hogan

    Should be Life

  • RayeSource

    All these delays, caused horses behind in times to miss out on the finals.  Some where the owner of the excluded horse should be at least compansated for last place if nothing else.  There is quite a domino affect here and it definitely needs to be addressed.

  • RayeSource

    And the delay between the bad test be acted upon before the horse is allowed to run back in the finals or consolations.  There needs to be a time limit if the trainer has a right to send a split off.  In the case of NM, the selected split  lab had at least a 30 day delay in testing the suspected splits.  That’s just not acceptable.

  • RayeSource

    If I remember corrctly, he had a hearing in NM but I don’t know the out come or what it was for.  Never heard anything after the hearing was postponed.

  • nu-fan

    “…to think about the type of trainers they are using?”  Precisely!

  • Equine Avenger

    All these scumbags are getting 10/20 years, bravo….now it is time for guys like Dutrow to face the music. And hopefully, someday soon, they will catch these come-out-of-nowhere 40/50% winning trainers with whatever they are using too. And you cheats know who you are…..and so do the rest of us!

  • JContreras

    About time something gets done about these bad test..!!! So does anyone know when the hearings in Oklahoma will be? I know they won’t let anyone know WHO got the bad test but WHEN will those hearings be on the bad tests???

    • Kbg11

      hearings were today, but still a secret, as commissionis keeping it a secret, crazy! be real, every other state,.gave ruliing the day of

  • JContreras

    About time something gets done about these bad test..!!! So does anyone know when the hearings in Oklahoma will be? I know they won’t let anyone know WHO got the bad test but WHEN will those hearings be on the bad tests???

  • http://Bellwether4u.com James Staples

    stay tuned Stan as the NEXT NAIL is going in the CHEATERS/REPETERS @SSES…the jerks will NEVER kill “THE GAME”…BOOK THAT!!!…ty…

  • ryan driscoll

    So if this criminal applies for a job where they do a background check, will any of these racing commission rulings show up on the check? He illegally obtained an illegal class I drug and used it to fix multiple pari-mutuel sporting events. He made a mountain of money along the way doing it. So now he just changes careers or retires? I’m not saying throw the guy who gets a bute overage in jail, but when it comes to such obvious devious behavior, criminal charges have to be incorporated.

  • ryan driscoll

    So if this criminal applies for a job where they do a background check, will any of these racing commission rulings show up on the check? He illegally obtained an illegal class I drug and used it to fix multiple pari-mutuel sporting events. He made a mountain of money along the way doing it. So now he just changes careers or retires? I’m not saying throw the guy who gets a bute overage in jail, but when it comes to such obvious devious behavior, criminal charges have to be incorporated.

  • 870 express

    Hmmmm, makes you wonder about Llano Teller now ?? Seems like he very rarely had a bad day.

    • Kbg11

      in defense to llano teller, he may be the real deal, awesome horse

  • 870 express

    Hmmmm, makes you wonder about Llano Teller now ?? Seems like he very rarely had a bad day.

  • Treyorr0124

     Although I somewhat agree with you.It totally goes against our very core of our system of you are innocent until proven guilty.Kind of like not being able to be bonded out of jail for a charge you may or may not be actually guilty of.
    But once they are proven to be guilty-then let the hammer down on their ass.
    The thing about so harsh penalties on some owners and trainers is what if(and we know it happens) some one walks by your horses stall one night and tosses in something the horse would eat that will surely get them a bad test and banned.They need to tighten up security as well.If someone has it in for you–say a jealous trainer or mad owner or pissed off jockey-anyone that has access to the stall area can always sabotage your horse or horses.

  • Treyorr

     It’s called GREED!

  • RealDeal Racehorse Trainer!

    War, you obviously are IGNORANT on this topic. Vets do not have to be present when these “drugs” are administered. Any legit horseman/trainer can give a shot in the “main-line” and these types of drugs are given in small doses DAILY, waayyy before race day! Most vets are legit and unaware of daily goings on at a particular trainers barn. They are only called on when need be. Youre the type that will probably bring OBAMA in on the conversation soon. Do not comment when you do not know what the hell youre talking about. I am now dumber having read your post! … 

  • Mrcalltothepost

    Really glad that the NMRC finally did something right. Vince is trying, but remember this is the same bunch that suspended the Clenbuterol rule in 2008 after one of the trainers that has a demorphin positive in La got a clenbuterol positive in a big race at Ruidoso. That rule change impacted the whole industry. Compounding pharmacies started producing massive amounts of illegal clenbuterol and demorphin and the train wreck began.  Also remember that the only commission hold over Ray Willis voted yes to suspend the rule and he and his wifes horse’s had the majority of the Draper positives on the illegal clenbuterol (ractopamine) last week.

    • Sevencentstable

      Ractopamine is not “illegal clenbuterol” it is a wholly diff substance used for wholly different purposes.

      • Kbg11

        you are wrong, it is compounded clenbuterol, check your facts, steroid body builder

        • Hopefieldstables

          Ractopamine is not compounded clenbuterol. They are two different drugs with quite different molecular structure. They are both beta agonists and will promote weight gain and lean muscle. Neither are anabolic steroids.

          • Larry Ensor

            So does proper training and exercise. Along with a well thought out feed program and caretaking. An understanding that each horse is an individual, trained and treated as such.

          • Kbg11

            thank you!  many have the sales preppiing idea, to give steroids to babies to bulk them up , to compete?  OMG, its called hard work everyday,  nope some just give them steroids, and they are good to go, to it properly it takes a lot of work, 2 babies, yearlings, start may, average 3 hours a day, including, cleaning and feeding

          • Hopefieldstables

            And I said otherwise ? Ractopamine has no place in horses. Clenbuterol has a valid application for conditions where the drug is indicated. Neither are anabolic steroids but the use of clenbuterol for other than its indicated use is abuse. In my part of the world, withdrawal is 3 weeks (and has been for years) which reduces the propensity for abuse.

            However, suggesting that clenbuterol and ractopamine are one and the same drug is complete nonsense.

            Distinguishing between the two is important and should not lead you to believe that I condone the abuse of clenbuterol nor the use of ractopamine. 

             

          • Larry Ensor

            Sorry, that’s the way it read to me. There seems to be a mindset these days that horses, humans for that matter, can’t be trained to compete without chemical enhancement. I suppose you can’t blame them when it has become the norm instead of the exception.
            I have no problem with therapeutic medication when called for. Going to give a horse of ours some clenbuterol today. First time for this guy and he won’t be running for several weeks. If that doesn’t clean up his lungs he’ll get time off.

          • Hopefieldstables

            Thank you, be careful with the friendly fire, I am on your side.

    • Kbg11

      huge, you mean ray willis voted yes to suspend clenbuterol rule? wow! amazing

  • Mrcalltothepost

    Really glad that the NMRC finally did something right. Vince is trying, but remember this is the same bunch that suspended the Clenbuterol rule in 2008 after one of the trainers that has a demorphin positive in La got a clenbuterol positive in a big race at Ruidoso. That rule change impacted the whole industry. Compounding pharmacies started producing massive amounts of illegal clenbuterol and demorphin and the train wreck began.  Also remember that the only commission hold over Ray Willis voted yes to suspend the rule and he and his wifes horse’s had the majority of the Draper positives on the illegal clenbuterol (ractopamine) last week.

  • nu-fan

    Race horse:  What are you referring to?  Please be specific about the corruption that you see with the CHRB.  And, do you have any facts that tainted trainers are knocking on the California race tracks?  Any specifics?  Give me the info.  Thanks.

  • nu-fan

    Wsiegel:  And the owners would say “Gee, I didn’t know….”  Yeah.  Sure.  Or, if they didn’t, I’d have to ask “Why didn’t you?  Don’t you make it your business to know what is going on with those you hire?”

  • Chris

    Right On!!!!!  As a trainer in N.M. who has ran horses in N.M. & seen the cruption I’m
    very happy to see that something is finally being done. Look at how much money these trainers & owners have stolen from honest hard working trainers. I don’t believe that owners should be excused they knew what was going on, they know they won’t have
    to pay they just move their horses to another trainer & go on with it.

  • Chris

    Right On!!!!!  As a trainer in N.M. who has ran horses in N.M. & seen the cruption I’m
    very happy to see that something is finally being done. Look at how much money these trainers & owners have stolen from honest hard working trainers. I don’t believe that owners should be excused they knew what was going on, they know they won’t have
    to pay they just move their horses to another trainer & go on with it.

  • Perks

    I think there are OK hearings on the 18th. No idea who though.

  • Sevencentstable

    Ractopamine is not “illegal clenbuterol” it is a wholly diff substance used for wholly different purposes.

  • Kbg11

    Maybe because it still extended, now that it has been brought to my attention……Im just sayin, if vince mares answers that question from me, I will let you know, he said september, but its past that now 

  • Kbg11

    this is the trainers responsibity!  hire people who wil be faithful and watch all night, dont go in my trainers barn, you will get your head cut off if you are out of line or not known, again trainers responsiblity

  • Kbg11

    now your’e talking, this is what needs to happen, not just change to another trainer! that is if your horse is still alive

  • Kbg11

    haha, especially when they can order it onliine

  • Kbg11

    huge, you mean ray willis voted yes to suspend clenbuterol rule? wow! amazing

  • Kbg11

    you are wrong, it is compounded clenbuterol, check your facts, steroid body builder

  • Kbg11

    owners, unles very very new, know exactly why they hire a Trainer, I hear it all the time, oh that one wins, dont care what it takes, or that one is probably using the newest deal, etc, then take it one step further, there are some that just dont care, want to win at all cost,and a lot of time it is at the horses cost,, again I am for the horse, I know trainers that only feed alfalfa, no  grain during training, show and race, it makes them weak , so easier to train.But dont think about nutrients they need in that 6 month period. Mind you these are vivacious growing babies.  Then its steroids to make them bulk up and be aggessive, then compound clenbuterol to really bulk them up, then a little over clenbuterol, its a disgusting way to train, oh and dont forget big trainers, have a lot of horses, not enough help, so the walker works your horse, seen it manytimes!  maybe their first gate work, is a blast out of the gate for an official work.and on to your first raced, and pray to god it goes straight.and back to WSiegel, yes he has paid big attention, trust me in who he is hiring.thus the reason why things are the way they are.

  • Kbg11

    arel  you kidding? conformation problems, a horse doesnt need dermorphin unless its sore!!Q!! sore horse should not run, now you are insulting the owner and trainer for buying that horse

  • Kbg11

    in defense to llano teller, he may be the real deal, awesome horse

  • Kbg11

    but allred is not weak, ask a few ex trainers there

  • Hopefieldstables

    Ractopamine is not compounded clenbuterol. They are two different drugs with quite different molecular structure. They are both beta agonists and will promote weight gain and lean muscle. Neither are anabolic steroids.

  • Kbg11

    hearings were today, but still a secret, as commissionis keeping it a secret, crazy! be real, every other state,.gave ruliing the day of

  • Kbg11

    chrb is about the only commission to do things in a timely matter to date!

  • Kbg11

    today

  • Dbthndr

    They had hearings in Oklahoma today??

  • RayeSource

     Thank you, I would appreciate that. 

    I also heard Chris Hartman had his formal appeal hearing and lost, yet he has since won a race in Remington Park and Zia Park.  Do you know anything about that?

  • Larry Ensor

    So does proper training and exercise. Along with a well thought out feed program and caretaking. An understanding that each horse is an individual, trained and treated as such.

  • Kbg11

    paul jones nov 1

  • Kbg11

    thank you!  many have the sales preppiing idea, to give steroids to babies to bulk them up , to compete?  OMG, its called hard work everyday,  nope some just give them steroids, and they are good to go, to it properly it takes a lot of work, 2 babies, yearlings, start may, average 3 hours a day, including, cleaning and feeding

  • nu-fan

    Kbg11:  First, I hope I didn’t miscommunicate.  The “you” I was referring to was a generic “you” directed to those owners who hide behind lame excuses, but, definitely, not directed at WSiegel.  Just wanted to make that clear.  But, back to owners:  Most of what I have seen or read directs attention to vets and trainers.  Sure, they are integral to the whole game.  But, so often, it seems like the owners are not held to the same degree of accountability.  That, I find odd since they are the ones who hire the trainers, who, then, hire the others.  But, it all stems with the owner.  If owners were held accountable with big financial fines, they might not want to risk a future financial loss and, then, either get out of horseracing or, perhaps, play the game in an ethical way.  And, I cannot believe that owners are that naive that they don’t know who they are hiring.  Yes, I agree with you.  In their minds, the end justifies the means.  It’s all about greed, true ineptitude, or self-puffery (to say that they have a winning racehorse).

  • nu-fan

    Kbg11:  Thanks, again, for the reply.  I get a little alarmed when I hear about anything that might be corrupt regarding horseracing (and the welfare of the horses) in my state.  And, I would not hesitate in going down to the CHRB state office in Sacramento (know where it is located) and inquire if there was something seriously amiss.  However, I never did hear back from them when I just wanted to know what their investigation yielded regarding the five horses that died within a two week period at Del Mar (this past summer).  I know that two of the horses suffered heart attacks but do not know about the other three.  However, five horses in two weeks?  That, for a fan (me) is over the top!  Those statistics tell me that this was “significant”.

  • Lmmbonnin

    why have rules if they aren’t upheld???? There are probably lots of people running on those stays and appeals…

  • Lmmbonnin

    why have rules if they aren’t upheld???? There are probably lots of people running on those stays and appeals…

  • Hopefieldstables

    And I said otherwise ? Ractopamine has no place in horses. Clenbuterol has a valid application for conditions where the drug is indicated. Neither are anabolic steroids but the use of clenbuterol for other than its indicated use is abuse. In my part of the world, withdrawal is 3 weeks (and has been for years) which reduces the propensity for abuse.

    However, suggesting that clenbuterol and ractopamine are one and the same drug is complete nonsense.

    Distinguishing between the two is important and should not lead you to believe that I condone the abuse of clenbuterol nor the use of ractopamine. 

     

  • Dave

    It is trainers like this that put our jockey’s in harms way. Example Jackie martin

  • Dave

    It is trainers like this that put our jockey’s in harms way. Example Jackie martin

  • Seven7

    how about you are put down for life. if you don’t know anything then just keep it shut

  • Larry Ensor

    Sorry, that’s the way it read to me. There seems to be a mindset these days that horses, humans for that matter, can’t be trained to compete without chemical enhancement. I suppose you can’t blame them when it has become the norm instead of the exception.
    I have no problem with therapeutic medication when called for. Going to give a horse of ours some clenbuterol today. First time for this guy and he won’t be running for several weeks. If that doesn’t clean up his lungs he’ll get time off.

  • DF

    Bassett and Reed haven’t missed a beat and have horses running this week at Will Rogers

  • DF

    Bassett and Reed haven’t missed a beat and have horses running this week at Will Rogers

  • DF

    Woops, Reed has horse entered at Will Rogers.   Basset at Lone Star.

  • DF

    Woops, Reed has horse entered at Will Rogers.   Basset at Lone Star.

  • Hopefieldstables

    Thank you, be careful with the friendly fire, I am on your side.

  • MsMarianne

    So now, they’ll just relocate to some racetrack where they’re not suspended. California comes to mind. That would be if they can afford the gas once they get here. LOL

  • MsMarianne

    So now, they’ll just relocate to some racetrack where they’re not suspended. California comes to mind. That would be if they can afford the gas once they get here. LOL

  • Dmellen225

    Why aren’t the penalties as strict or enforced in Thoroughbred racing?

  • Dmellen225

    Why aren’t the penalties as strict or enforced in Thoroughbred racing?

  • Cowpny

    why would you single out P.J ?

  • Bakerracingstable

    Finally but they should get a lifetime ban

  • Bakerracingstable

    Finally but they should get a lifetime ban

  • Cidneyburns

    It’s no. Different than the NFL,MLB,or the NBA. Except these or humans doing it to themselves.
    It’s all about winning you think these pro athletes are not doing the same

  • Cidneyburns

    It’s no. Different than the NFL,MLB,or the NBA. Except these or humans doing it to themselves.
    It’s all about winning you think these pro athletes are not doing the same

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