Rash of Dermorphin Positives in Ruidoso Futurity Qualifying

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The highly publicized scandals of 2012 over illegal drug use in horse racing – particularly in Quarter horses – may have reached their zenith at Ruidoso Downs on May 25 when eight of the winners of 25 qualifying heats for the Grade 1 Ruidoso Futurity tested positive for the powerful pain-killing drug dermorphin, a Class 1 drug originally derived from South American tree frogs and with no legitimate use in horses.

In addition to the eight Quarter horse winners that tested positive for dermorphin, a third-place Futurity trial finisher tested positive for the drug and a second-place finisher tested positive for the Class 3 prohibited drug ractopamine, known on the backstretch as pig juice because it is approved for use in the swine industry to bulk up those animals. Two of the winning Quarter horses that had dermorphin in post-race samples also tested positive for the prohibited anabolic steroid stanozolol, commonly sold under the brand name Winstrol.

The following day, May 26, one winner and two runners-up in six Ruidoso Derby trials run tested positive for ractopamine.

The tests were confirmed by the Maddy Laboratory at the University of California-Davis. The New Mexico Racing Commission contracts with the testing lab at Iowa State University for the bulk of its work. Industrial Laboratories in Colorado and the Louisiana State University lab also have called a number of dermorphin positives for horses racing in Oklahoma and Louisiana. Ractopamine, or pig juice, was the subject of a Paulick Report article in March 2011.

Four trainers that were responsible for the 13 horses that received positive test results have been notified and each requested split samples to confirm the presence of the prohibited drugs. The trainers include two of current top 10 Quarter horse trainers in the United States by money won, Carl Draper and Carlos Sedillo, along with two-time All-American Futurity-winning trainer John H. Bassett, and J. Heath Reed, a member of a prominent Quarter horse racing family from Seminole, Okla.

The cases have not been prosecuted and no formal charges filed, pending confirmation in the referee samples. Vince Mares, director of the New Mexico Racing Commission, said the penalty range for dermorphin positives is a one- to five-year suspension, along with a fine and loss of purse money. The ractopamine suspensions range from 60 days to six months, along with fine and loss of purse, he said.

Here are the horses in question, with their owners and trainers listed:

May 25 Ruidoso Futurity trials
First-place finishers

One Classy Eagle, owned by Ted G. Abrams and trained by J. Heath Reed (dermorphin)

D M Red Tide, owned by Bradley Hale, Wade Helton and Bill Moler and trained by J. Heath Reed (dermorphin and stanozolol)

Teller Im Scootan, owned by Wootan Racing and trained by J. Heath Reed (dermorphin)

Don’t Tell Lila, owned by Mason King and Kim Kessinger and trained by John H. Bassett (dermorphin)

Jess a Zoomin, owned by Ted G. Abrams and trained by J. Heath Reed (dermorphin)

Joker on Jack, owned by Wade Helton and trained by J. Heath Reed (dermorphin and stanozolol)

Greater Still, owned by Paul Blanchard and trained by Carlos Sedillo (dermorphin)

Ill Stop the World, owned by Ron Hanna and trained by Carlos Sedillo (dermorphin)

Second-place finisher
Separate Battle, owned by Sheryl Cox and Lola Willis and trained by Carl Draper (ractopamine)

Third-place finisher
Head Trauma, owned by Lyle Guillory and trained by John H. Bassett (dermorphin)

Ruidoso Derby trials
First-place finisher

Dashin Spartacus, owned by J & L Stables and trained by Carl Draper (ractopamine)

Second-place finishers
RC Black Mamba, owned by Lola Willis and Fredda Draper and trained by Carl Draper (ractopamine)

Texas Rockstar, owned by J & L Stables and Fredda Draper and trained by Carl Draper (ractopamine)


Only Jess a Zoomin and Separate Battle raced in the $600,000 Ruidoso Futurity final June 9, finishing sixth and seventh, respectively. Texas Rockstar finished eighth in the Ruidoso Derby.

Two of the horses trained by Carl Draper are co-owned by Lola Willis, wife of New Mexico Racing Commissioner Ray Willis. A Quarter horse owner and breeder since 1981, Ray Willis served four years on the New Mexico Racing Commission’s Medication Committee.

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  • Guest

    Each of these trainers and veterinarians who administered this should be flipping burgers at McDonalds.  But our industry will allow them to continue on with just a slap on the wrist.  Just watch.

    • Perks

      I HOPE THEY GET THE VETS ON THIS AS WELL. GET RID OF THEM ALL.  HOPE THEY CAN FILE DRUG CHARGES WITH THE D.A. AND GIVE THEM ALL SOME JAIL TIME.  FINES AND SUSPENSIONS HAVE DONE NOTHING.

    • May Flower

      Those who bring, buy, inject illegal drugs into race horses and abuse legal drugs, all who facilitate the gross abuse and endangerment of horses and riders should be prosecuted for animal cruelty, human endangerment and gambling fraud. Hopefully, the FBI will handle it.

    • knows the truth

      Guess what Guest?  They don’t need VETS.  It is readily available across the border!  It is EASILY smuggled! Gee….I think the name OROZCO comes to mind….

      • Scott

        Look for a federal criminal investigation into this soon.  Let’s see how Basset likes dealing with the DEA and FBI instead of his honky New Mexico schmucks.

        • Don Hatton

          Thats a pretty stupid comment there Scott.

    • Guest

      Well, McDonalds has always had a problem with “Where’s The Beef”, I’m sure these guys would figure out away to put “Pigs Juice” in it to Bulk It Up and now call it 1/2 LB instead of 1/4LB so they could charge more for it!! 

  • Guest

    Each of these trainers and veterinarians who administered this should be flipping burgers at McDonalds.  But our industry will allow them to continue on with just a slap on the wrist.  Just watch.

  • Bryan Langlois (ShelterDoc)

    Hmmm…and Mr. Drape of the NYT thinks it is more prudent and important to highlight the medical records of IHA and nitpick what he can to try and twist the truth on things, yet choses not to even mention this story at all….interesting….

    • http://www.winnerscirclepartners.com/ Stewart Nickel

      I’m sure he will report on it now that someone else has done the initial research.  And I’m sure he will focus the article on “horse racing” rather than distinguishing between quarter horses and thoroughbreds.  One thing is for sure, he will most definitely twist the truth…

  • Bryan Langlois (ShelterDoc)

    Hmmm…and Mr. Drape of the NYT thinks it is more prudent and important to highlight the medical records of IHA and nitpick what he can to try and twist the truth on things, yet choses not to even mention this story at all….interesting….

  • Tinky

    And yet the only Thoroughbreds to have tested positive for demorphin raced in Louisiana?

    Sure.

    • rhare

      I’ve heard there are some in Texas

  • Tinky

    And yet the only Thoroughbreds to have tested positive for demorphin raced in Louisiana?

    Sure.

  • Donna Maull

    This is disgraceful and needs to STOP NOW!!

  • Donna Maull

    This is disgraceful and needs to STOP NOW!!

  • rhare

    I’ve heard there are some in Texas

  • Thelibrarian

    This quarter horse biz REALLY IS OUT OF CONTROL! I guess their motto really is “If you ain’t cheatin’….you ain’t tryin’”

  • Thelibrarian

    This quarter horse biz REALLY IS OUT OF CONTROL! I guess their motto really is “If you ain’t cheatin’….you ain’t tryin’”

  • Michael J. Arndt

    I will again call for us to start looking past racing sanctions and start pushing for criminal prosecution for reckless endangerment, fraud and any other applicable charges of the trainers and the vets involved. Only then will you see this stuff recede.

  • Perks

    Probably wont be making any friends here..

    But these big name trainers on this list whom we all put up on the pedistal…. Well y’all make me sick and I hope this does you in.  Draper has won the All American twice, thats a couple million. Was it real or were they doped?

     How many big name stallions that were breeding to were run on these drugs the last few years?  Was it them or was it the needle??  We’ve become one screwed up racing breed. 

    No wonder the Rainbow trials looked much more peaceful and un-eventfull last week, they were all busted and got to run anyway albeit – Pig juice & frog juice free.

    I hope you all get whats coming to you, your gonna need all that money you stole from all the other owners.  You are Disgusting, you have RUINED IT FOR US!!!

    • Perks
    • Don Hatton

      This is just my opinion, and for the most part I agree with what you just said here. There is no excuse for them using the Demorphin, but you have to note that Mr. Draper didnt come up hot for that. The PIG JUICE basically just builds muscle. Yeah, its still cheating, but it doesnt compare to the opiates the others used.

      • Ddequus

        Pig Juice doesn’t “just build muscle”. Read up on it. It can cause kidney failure, especially in fillies. The trainer won’t admit that is what caused the kidney failure in my filly, but he got a bad test on it in another horse that year. Broke my heart that I had to put that filly down after trying everything I could to save her. I raised her and she was special to me.

        • Don Martello

          Sorry to hear that, breaks my heart as a former owner. Bought my only TB in 1986 raced him six times in NY where he was injured. Took him home made him a pleasure horse, built hiim a beautiful farm in NC where he passed away at age 27 last year. Love the game but something needs to be done to get rid of these individuals.
          Again I am sorry for your loss.

          • Cantanero

            Just browsing Paulik report bumped into your reply sorry you lost Willie.

  • Perks

    Probably wont be making any friends here..

    But these big name trainers on this list whom we all put up on the pedistal…. Well y’all make me sick and I hope this does you in.  Draper has won the All American twice, thats a couple million. Was it real or were they doped?

     How many big name stallions that were breeding to were run on these drugs the last few years?  Was it them or was it the needle??  We’ve become one screwed up racing breed. 

    No wonder the Rainbow trials looked much more peaceful and un-eventfull last week, they were all busted and got to run anyway albeit – Pig juice & frog juice free.

    I hope you all get whats coming to you, your gonna need all that money you stole from all the other owners.  You are Disgusting, you have RUINED IT FOR US!!!

  • nomoralcompass

    They should receive an immediate suspension of their licenses, be banned from all tracks and be forced to return their client’s horses back to their owners. But wait! Here comes the heavy hand of the law! It’s justice will be swift and mighty! Heads will roll, dues will be paid! Let’s listen to the sound of justice, as it is applied American style:

     ”Now hold out your hand, take that! (sound of hand slapping palm), you naughty boys!” 

    Horse racing punishment at its finest. 

    • Sheree Burress

      Boy…you know the system well….they will get away with it…once again.  I really hope heads roll this time.

  • nomoralcompass

    They should receive an immediate suspension of their licenses, be banned from all tracks and be forced to return their client’s horses back to their owners. But wait! Here comes the heavy hand of the law! It’s justice will be swift and mighty! Heads will roll, dues will be paid! Let’s listen to the sound of justice, as it is applied American style:

     ”Now hold out your hand, take that! (sound of hand slapping palm), you naughty boys!” 

    Horse racing punishment at its finest. 

  • Perks

    I HOPE THEY GET THE VETS ON THIS AS WELL. GET RID OF THEM ALL.  HOPE THEY CAN FILE DRUG CHARGES WITH THE D.A. AND GIVE THEM ALL SOME JAIL TIME.  FINES AND SUSPENSIONS HAVE DONE NOTHING.

  • May Flower

    Those who bring, buy, inject illegal drugs into race horses and abuse legal drugs, all who facilitate the gross abuse and endangerment of horses and riders should be prosecuted for animal cruelty, human endangerment and gambling fraud. Hopefully, the FBI will handle it.

  • Sheree Burress

    I hope they hang their asses.  I am sick and tired of these bozos getting away with this, especially on these young babies.  We always played fair when we ran our horses….it is a disgrace to the state of New Mexico.

  • Sheree Burress

    I hope they hang their asses.  I am sick and tired of these bozos getting away with this, especially on these young babies.  We always played fair when we ran our horses….it is a disgrace to the state of New Mexico.

  • Sheree Burress

    Boy…you know the system well….they will get away with it…once again.  I really hope heads roll this time.

  • knows the truth

    Guess what Guest?  They don’t need VETS.  It is readily available across the border!  It is EASILY smuggled! Gee….I think the name OROZCO comes to mind….

  • http://twitter.com/turfnsport Michael Dempsey

     Just two words come to mind: Jail Time.

  • http://twitter.com/turfnsport Michael Dempsey

     Just two words come to mind: Jail Time.

  • desertrailrat

      Thanks for the report Ray, it’s a sad statement on New Mexico racing indeed.

      The owner of Greater Still, Paul Blanchard OWNS the Downs at Albuquerque, (license, not land) and has been implicated in quite a few shady deals with close friend and former NM Gov Bill Richardson including the leasing of the land at Expo NM Fairgrounds.  He runs a bare bones mixed meet just to keep the slot machine money rolling in.  Next to zero improvements to the racing or gaming side in the last 12 years, many of the slots that were there the day the casino opened are still there.  The slots actually take and dispense COINS instead of vouchers and there is no players card system.  The only money he has put in that I can tell is extra seats at the bar.  And now a cheater-owner to top it off.

      This whole crew in NM needs to be run out of town, seriously if you turned the tracks upside down and shook them 75% of what would fall out is ruthless “horses are just stock” cowboy types, and the northern branch of Mexico’s drug cartels.  Most of the people that are supposed to be regulating the sport and protecting the horses and jocks are either complicit or wouldn’t know a Thoroghbred from a mule.  Rescue groups are treated as an enemy on the backside around here.  Now you see why.  So many are up to no good.

      By the way, whenever the quarter horse industry comes under fire, I always see people posting about “all the Hispanic last names”.  Look at the list.  Not too many there.  Most of these guys and gals are F-350 drivin’, Rush Limbaugh listenen’, white shirt and jeans wearin’ “good Americans”.  Oh, other than the fact that they drug horses.

      All our hopes are on our new commish, Vince Mares, a former state cop who seems to have an ear to the ground and also seems tired of our state being embarrassed nationally, especially after the NY Times article.  Godspeed Vince, and to quote Leslie Nielsen’s character in Airplane “good luck, we’re all counting on you”.

    • Don Hatton

      Really Ratta? You just had to throw some racism in there too didnt ya?

      • desertrailrat

         Dude, I’m white, I was just commenting on how earlier threads on this topic were making it sound like the hispanic guys down here were the only ones doping and using frog juice.  Cheaters come in all shapes, sizes, and colors.  You took that wrong.  Or maybe you just aren’t very bright……

        • Don Hatton

          Thats pretty funny, obviously, you have never heard of me. Im well aware that cheaters come in all diff types, well aware. YOU must not know much about the QH industry. I dont care how you try to cover it up that was still an ignorant comment dude…..and yeah, I was quite sure you are white. I didnt take it wrong, just read it right. Do you know the dudes that are under fire from this?

          • desertrailrat

             ”Do you know who I am” may get you a table at a restaurant or get you into a club but doesn’t work with me.  Yes almost everyone named I do have knowledge of.  I’ve been around NM racing for 18 years.  And by around I don’t mean feeding tote machines.  Just don’t throw around the term racism when unnecessary and it will serve you well. 

          • WE.KNOW.WHO.HE.IS

             18 yrs compared to his 28. Gotcha beat by 10 years buddy. And he knows his stuff. IF YOU KNEW HIM, the last thing you would say is ignorant!

          • Don Hatton

            yeah, your right about that, and maybe I took it the wrong way.

      • WE.KNOW.WHO.HE.IS

         I didnt take it as racist unless I missed something. Sounded like he was pointing out how everyone wants to blame the hispanic trainers for this but the main guys in trouble are white trainers…who are well respected and viewed as cant do wrongers.

    • Don Hatton

      Just for the record I did enjoy reading the first part of this article. Ask around first before you ask If Im very bright or not. Im still laughing over that one.

      • desertrailrat

          Ok me saying you aren’t very bright was not cool, just like you calling me racist.  So I apologize for that.  If we can agree that NM is missing out on opportunities left and right to improve than I’m happy.  Beautiful weather, affordable land for boarding and training, low cost of living and labor, all being squandered by a small group of shortsighted greedy guys that only care about slots, with no interest in improving the lives of horsemen and their animals.

           Sunland is the farthest ahead of the curve, but I find it somewhat appalling that people have to go to an empty track in Albuquerque on a mild sunny winter day to bet on horses running through the snow and wind at Parx and Aqueduct.

          As long as they continue mixed meets, TB trainers, owners, and most importantly, bettors are never going to take the TB product seriously.  Very few people care to handicap a mixed card, it needs to be one or the other.  I do understand that the QH population is larger, but the powers that be need to understand that any serious TB handicapper wouldn’t touch a mixed card with a 10 foot pole.  There are some pretty good TB jockeys around here including SoCal transplants Enriquez and Jaime that would appreciate having more than 4 races to ride I’m sure too.  Delta and Louisiana Downs split the breeds, why can’t NM?  Even if the meet was shorter than the QH season, it would sure be more appealing to trainers considering shipping.  This I know for a fact.

        • RayeSource

           A bit short sighted here Don, there are many factors that enter into running separate meets.  If a handicapper is so handicapped that he can’t or won’t bet both breeds, they are missing a golden opportunity to make more money.  As far as training……a horse is a horse.  You adjust the training schedule to fit the individual.  A good trainer can train both and do well with both.  In fact your top Thoroughbred trainers were originally known for training Quarter Horses.  (Baffert & Lucas)  What needs to be done is to double the barn area to house more horses, add a training track and run a minimum of 60 days.  The Downs of Albuquerque and Zia Park are despicable in improving conditions for the horsemen and both want to reduce racing days. 

          At the rate the industry is going, horses will need license plates having to go up and down the highways so much.  All these expenses fall right back on to the race horse owner, while the track/gaming license holder make (53%) 2 1/2 times the money distributed to the horsemen (20%) for purses and breeder incentives.  State taxes are garnered at 25% which was $63 million.  Yet, the poor track/gaming license holders cry foul when they are expected to endure the cost of doing business.  Jockey/exercise rider insurance.  The horsemen in NM voluntarily agreed to pay half.

          • http://www.theracehorseexperiment.com/ Maureen Tierney

            Where do you get your figures? Taxes of $63 million????  NM must have the most successful tracks in the country.  You do realize that the vast majority of money bet at the track (the handle) is returned to the bettors?

            Churchill Downs taxes in 2008 were only $8 million.  And this information is available in their annual report for 2008, which can be found online at their website.

          • RayeSource

            NM HORSE BREEDERS ASSOCIATION

            ANNUAL IMPACT OF THE BREEDING & RACING INDUSTRY IN NEW MEXICO
            $400 Million into New Mexico’s Economy
            $63 Million in gaming taxes to New Mexico
            10,000 jobs in New Mexico
            12,000 horses associated with the industry

            Horseracing is the largest spectator sport in New Mexico attracting more than 2 million out-of-state visitors while preserving farm land and valuable green space

            Horse Farms are a critical element in maintenance of the states agricultural heritage

            New Mexico Racing is Nationally Ranked

            #7 – In number of Thoroughbred Stallions and Mares bred
            #5 – In number of American Quarter Horse starters and owners of starters
            #4 – In breeders of American Quarter Horse starters

          • http://www.theracehorseexperiment.com/ Maureen Tierney

            This is not the track’s financial statement.  The $400 million includes breeding and racing figures, which includes the total economic impact of racehorse breeding and racing in the state, such feed, bedding, employment in the horse industry, etc.  The $63 million is not taxes the track paid, but the state’s cut of the handle.

            The tracks did not “earn” $400 million.

          • RayeSource

             You must have a dyslexic mind.  You ask a question and I answer it.  READ IT!  It says it is an annual report for the racing/gaming in NM.  I just think you are one of those individuals who don’t want to be confused by facts when you’re mind is already made up.

          • http://www.theracehorseexperiment.com/ Maureen Tierney

             

            Yes, racing/gaming.  Not the racetrack.  It’s the STATE annual report.  You might want to ask an accountant what the difference
            is.  Racetracks are not owned or run by the state.  They are businesses, and each has its own annual report.  It is you who is confused.

          • RayeSource

             I replied to this earlier, but apparently it got lost.  You asked where I got the $63 million figure and I copied and the figures.  It was very self explanatory stating that it was an annual report for the gaming/racing industry.  Either you have your mind made up and don’t want to be confused with the facts or you simply can’t read.

          • http://www.theracehorseexperiment.com/ Maureen Tierney

            My point is that you were talking about The Downs and Zia.  There are 5 tracks in NM.  The $63 million is from all of them.  I will drop this issue since you don’t seem to understand what I’m saying.  However, you also complain that the track gets 2.5 times the money that the horsemen get.  I don’t see why you think that’s unfair.  It costs money to run a racetrack.  I am a horseman but I also understand  business.  The equipment to maintain the track alone costs a fortune, then there are the maintenance costs, fuel costs, operator costs.  Imagine the electric bill.  Imagine the water bill. Horsemen use lots of water – and lots of hot water and lots of electricity, for which they don’t pay.  Manure removal is not free.  All the track employees need to be paid.  Ambulances must be on hand whenever horses are on the track.  Those are just a handful of the expenses the track must pay.  Horsemen do not pay to stay at the track, they do not pay utilities, they charge owners for their expenses.  The horsemen whine but the owners are the ones who don’t make money. 

          • RayeSource

            The horsemen are saddled with a multitude of expenses including vehicles, insurance, utilities, employees, rent away from home, rent or mortgage for their home and families who they are away from most of the year. The race track is gathering all the golden eggs given by the golden goose (horsemen), who was the very instrument who obtained electronic gaming. This was to enhance the purses, improve the quality of life and provide a profit for all involved. It really doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that the horsemen are being pushed out of the picture every year by track managements. The tracks very rarely promote horse racing, it is all about the casino. Try to find a web site for Zia Park. No luck? Try looking for the black gold casino. Some where in a tab, you will see horsemen. These tracks come up with all these stats and figures that work in their favor, let me have access to the same data and I will have those same facts and figures work in another direction. Numbers are easy to manipulate. Yes, the track has added expenses when a race meet is running, but that is the cost of being able to gather the golden eggs. Oh yes, in addition to the slots, all the concessions are free gratis, they receive a 1/3 of uncashed tickets and are allowed capital improvements through the benefits of horse racing. For most of the year track owners/licensees stay in one location year round and basically pay minimum wage with very little overhead. Maybe, if this was such a losing propostion, Penn National would not be competing to buy up or build race tracks across the nation. Google them

          • http://www.theracehorseexperiment.com/ Maureen Tierney

            Are racetracks supposed to be charitable organizations?  Every normal person has to pay rent, have a vehicle, and pay expenses for their homes.  I was talking racing expenses.  It’s free to enter, it’s free to stay at the track, the utilities are free at the track. 

            I lived in NM for 10 years and they do promote racing. On TV.  For people in NM.  People do not travel to NM to watch horse racing in Albuquerque or Santa Fe.  They come for the balloon fiesta, to see Santa Fe, to go to Casinos, to see White Sands, Carlsbad Caverns, etc.  They might come to visit Ruidoso, I lived near Albuquerque so can’t say. But I would imagine Ruidoso gets most of any tourist interest in horse racing.

            If horsemen are unhappy and running a track is so profitable and inexpensive maybe the horsemen should start their own track.  That’s what Keeneland is, a track started by horsemen. 

            Horse racing is NOT a family sport and until HORSEMEN insist that racing clean up its act, racing will continue it’s downward slide.  Tell the HBPA to get off its ass, stop whining, and do something to move racing into the future.

          • RayeSource

            Horse Racing is BIG FAMILY business here in NM as well as else where. They also to seem to be the pawns when they should be the king and queen. The only race track in the state that I admire and one that does things right is Sunland Park. The rest I will keep my comments to myself. The majority of horsemen want enforcement of the rules of racing, BUT it is the Racing Commission who is the regulatory body. The honest horsemen are just as disgusted with this situation as anyone. I agree, where is the HBPA and what are they doing for NM?

  • desertrailrat

      Thanks for the report Ray, it’s a sad statement on New Mexico racing indeed.

      The owner of Greater Still, Paul Blanchard OWNS the Downs at Albuquerque, (license, not land) and has been implicated in quite a few shady deals with close friend and former NM Gov Bill Richardson including the leasing of the land at Expo NM Fairgrounds.  He runs a bare bones mixed meet just to keep the slot machine money rolling in.  Next to zero improvements to the racing or gaming side in the last 12 years, many of the slots that were there the day the casino opened are still there.  The slots actually take and dispense COINS instead of vouchers and there is no players card system.  The only money he has put in that I can tell is extra seats at the bar.  And now a cheater-owner to top it off.

      This whole crew in NM needs to be run out of town, seriously if you turned the tracks upside down and shook them 75% of what would fall out is ruthless “horses are just stock” cowboy types, and the northern branch of Mexico’s drug cartels.  Most of the people that are supposed to be regulating the sport and protecting the horses and jocks are either complicit or wouldn’t know a Thoroghbred from a mule.  Rescue groups are treated as an enemy on the backside around here.  Now you see why.  So many are up to no good.

      By the way, whenever the quarter horse industry comes under fire, I always see people posting about “all the Hispanic last names”.  Look at the list.  Not too many there.  Most of these guys and gals are F-350 drivin’, Rush Limbaugh listenen’, white shirt and jeans wearin’ “good Americans”.  Oh, other than the fact that they drug horses.

      All our hopes are on our new commish, Vince Mares, a former state cop who seems to have an ear to the ground and also seems tired of our state being embarrassed nationally, especially after the NY Times article.  Godspeed Vince, and to quote Leslie Nielsen’s character in Airplane “good luck, we’re all counting on you”.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/GN75TMMTTZCDAKCKWH4QH6RDYQ Ronald T

    Get ready boys…..These cases are going to become a lawyers dream……

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/GN75TMMTTZCDAKCKWH4QH6RDYQ Ronald T

    Get ready boys…..These cases are going to become a lawyers dream……

  • tdg602

    Quarter horse racing is a fading sport.  Not surprising they have the most positive tests
    for drugs. Add the money laundering by the cartels recently and you have all you need
    to know about Q-horse racing.

    • Abjonas

      You are wrong, Quarter horse racing is not a fading sport….but unfortunately we have alot of bad apples in the barrel….trainers, owners and vets alike.  The racing commissions have to correct this problem, and the best and most effective way is to ban, rule off all those that do not follow the rules.  Eliminate the bad apples.  Otherwise, horse racing is done.

    • Don Hatton

      Your an idiot.

      • WE.KNOW.WHO.HE.IS

        This person obviously doesnt know anything about QH racing. Racing is fading as a whole due to other alternatives but horse racing we be just fine.

        • Inherthyz

           WILL BE

  • tdg602

    Quarter horse racing is a fading sport.  Not surprising they have the most positive tests
    for drugs. Add the money laundering by the cartels recently and you have all you need
    to know about Q-horse racing.

  • Brownele

    I believe the DEA needs to get involved in this. The drugs are class 1 and jail time is the only solution. If these drugs were being used on the streets heads would roll but for some reason on the backside nothing is done. The New Mexico racing commission has to suspend and fine the guilty parties and then the criminal trials need to begin. Five to twenty years in prison will do more than anything to clean our sport up.

  • Beach Bum

    More great reporting and I am shocked to find out there is gambling going on in here.  How about(in general, I’m not just directing this to Mr. P the journalist) looking at this from a veterinary perspective?  I’d be surprised to find out it’s medically ethical for vets to be administering Dermorphin for this or any purpose.  For shame–how about “first do no harm” also applying to equine medicine?  

  • Beach Bum

    More great reporting and I am shocked to find out there is gambling going on in here.  How about(in general, I’m not just directing this to Mr. P the journalist) looking at this from a veterinary perspective?  I’d be surprised to find out it’s medically ethical for vets to be administering Dermorphin for this or any purpose.  For shame–how about “first do no harm” also applying to equine medicine?  

  • Toni

    Really a sad state of affairs.  What can we do to help turn the tide, beyond not cheating ourselves?

  • Toni

    Really a sad state of affairs.  What can we do to help turn the tide, beyond not cheating ourselves?

  • Williscrosby

    heath taylor got a bad test dermorphin he’s in top 10 trainers it go’s to show you can cheat and get away with it they not going to do anything to them and the owner like it. if they did like it they wouldn’t let them train there horse’s not one big time owner has spoke out on this are breeder 

    • Tres Abagados Stupidos

       I remember reading in some interviews when Heath Taylor got a bad test for caffeine when he won the All American with Stolis Winner.  He is quoted as saying he has NEVER used drugs on horses and never would.  He also stated when the bad test was overturned that the reverse of the bad test reinstalled his integrity.  Where is that integrity now Heath?

      A confirmed test in Louisiana, a “suspected” test in Texas and just waiting on the Oklahoma rulings.I hope all these guys get ruled off for life.  Go flip burgers somewhere.

  • Williscrosby

    heath taylor got a bad test dermorphin he’s in top 10 trainers it go’s to show you can cheat and get away with it they not going to do anything to them and the owner like it. if they did like it they wouldn’t let them train there horse’s not one big time owner has spoke out on this are breeder 

  • meterman

    I wonder how many other trainers were tipped off before Ruidoso opened in May, before the trials to the Ruidoso futurity and derby, by owners in a far better position, to know what was going on……hence, Hubbard (0wner) horse’s ran way back in Ruidoso trials and low and behold sleepy’s horses came a running in the Rainbow trials. Roberto’s kinda showed back up too. There’s more to the story than what anyone sees with the trainers listed above. Mexico drug cartels are a pimple on an elephant’s butt as to what is going on in New Mexico.

    • mad man

      Its all in who you are and who you know, if you made the list.  Also if you look, how is it that Carl Draper had positive test on the horses that went to the test barn except for the Ruidoso Futurity Winner, come on lets be serious. There were more positives but they were just swept under the carpet. Sleepys horse ran good in the trials and the ran way back in the finals so did Hubbards horse. Everyone needs the same playing field regardless of who you are.

    • Don Hatton

      Just for the record….Ochoa ran for the first time since Labor Day in the trials. He ran a tired second, came back and stumbled very badly in the finals. Feature Mr. Bojangles won his trial heat. Came back in the finals and got bumped around pretty badly. Do your homework before you guys start talking about other peoples horses.

  • meterman

    I wonder how many other trainers were tipped off before Ruidoso opened in May, before the trials to the Ruidoso futurity and derby, by owners in a far better position, to know what was going on……hence, Hubbard (0wner) horse’s ran way back in Ruidoso trials and low and behold sleepy’s horses came a running in the Rainbow trials. Roberto’s kinda showed back up too. There’s more to the story than what anyone sees with the trainers listed above. Mexico drug cartels are a pimple on an elephant’s butt as to what is going on in New Mexico.

  • RayeSource

    What I want to know is why the horses with tainted tests were not disqualified and denied a placement in the finals?   The problem here is enforcement of the rules of racing.  By letting drugged horses graduate to the finals you are denying another horse a place in the race.  The horses in question should be disqualified and the trainers denied access to the grounds and denied entering any other race.  In fact, they should be given 48 hours to remove all their horses from the enclosure.  THEN, they can go hire their high priced-high profile defense lawyers.  There are several more bad tests out there and those trainers are still racing as if nothing ever happened.  WHY?

    • http://judgebork.wordpress.com/ Lou Baranello

      WHY?  Very simple.  Most regulators have and are continuing to do a reprehensible job.  They are guilty of aiding and abetting the destruction of an industry.  They have succeeded in creating an atmosphere in which the scum of the business, trainers who use prohibited drugs, have nothing to fear.  The penalty recommendations forthcoming from numerous organizations are further evidence that most regulators do not have the appropriate mindset for the positions they hold. 

      • RayeSource

         NM Racing Commissioners are restricted from imposing larger fines and penalty’s due to State Statue.  Then too, one must also remember that the racing commission is a political appointee panel, which requires no knowledge of the horse racing industry.  Imagine if that was true of the medical, construction, real estate or other regulatory agencies?  Although the current commission seems to be trying to do a good job, they have a lot to over come from previous commissions and the “Good Ole Boy Club.”

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3IWEU3KR4M4RW6DQWY24WWQK2I Juan Fortharoad

      The racing officials and track office jobs are all in the Good ‘ol boy network.  In Oklahoma they don’t care about catching anybody. Then the big trainers won’t show up and the track loses.

      • guest

        Well, so what, where are they going to go with there Big Time Horses, The Big Time Brush Track!! That Big Time Trainer will start Losing those Big Time Horses to the Big Time Little Trainer who will be training at The Big Time Track, running his Big Time Little Barn, and soon that Big Time Little Trainer will be that Big Time Trainer with a Big Time Barn of Big Time Honest Horses”!! The track will see that.

  • RayeSource

    What I want to know is why the horses with tainted tests were not disqualified and denied a placement in the finals?   The problem here is enforcement of the rules of racing.  By letting drugged horses graduate to the finals you are denying another horse a place in the race.  The horses in question should be disqualified and the trainers denied access to the grounds and denied entering any other race.  In fact, they should be given 48 hours to remove all their horses from the enclosure.  THEN, they can go hire their high priced-high profile defense lawyers.  There are several more bad tests out there and those trainers are still racing as if nothing ever happened.  WHY?

  • mad man

    Its all in who you are and who you know, if you made the list.  Also if you look, how is it that Carl Draper had positive test on the horses that went to the test barn except for the Ruidoso Futurity Winner, come on lets be serious. There were more positives but they were just swept under the carpet. Sleepys horse ran good in the trials and the ran way back in the finals so did Hubbards horse. Everyone needs the same playing field regardless of who you are.

  • http://judgebork.wordpress.com/ Lou Baranello

    WHY?  Very simple.  Most regulators have and are continuing to do a reprehensible job.  They are guilty of aiding and abetting the destruction of an industry.  They have succeeded in creating an atmosphere in which the scum of the business, trainers who use prohibited drugs, have nothing to fear.  The penalty recommendations forthcoming from numerous organizations are further evidence that most regulators do not have the appropriate mindset for the positions they hold. 

  • Guest

    Catch a person with a joint and they’ll do 5 years in jail and be a convicted felon.  Trainers use these serious illegal drugs on innocent animals that have “no say” and then just get slapped on the hand with a $1000 fine while they are still running their stable from the parking lot on a cell phone and get to pick the time they take for their petty 6-month suspension, usually in the fall and winter when there is nothing going on for 4-6 months except breaking yearlings.  He’ll be home every night watching TV and will be at the barn in the morning watching the yearlings being broke, etc.  WOW, hard time! Meanwhile, your horse is broke down and backing up, and when you ask “why,” they tell you that they just don’t know why and you just need to sell the horse. However, he has a Fresh Barn Full Of Promising Yearlings!! If they catch my horses on this stuff I will sue the hell out of them (trainer and vet) not only for the purse money I could have won but also for the well being of my horse. They need to go after the Vets also.  This is a sad day for those of us that bust our butts year round to raise these magnificent athletes and keep them healthy and sound to just get them to the race track to have these trainers bring this black cloud over our industry.  It is a great injustice not only to the horse and endangering their lives, but also the lives of the jockeys and all others that are in their race.  It’s time for the Racing Commission to grow some balls and bring justice and dignity back to this great sport!! They also need to start checking the horses that do break down on the track and that have to be put down, probably wouldn’t be surprised at the findings.  The Racing Commissions need to start dishing out some serious penalties (serious jail time) to the violators so this stops now because as it stands, what fear do the perpetrators have to stop with just a small fine and a few months’ suspension at their choosing! If the Racing Commissions cannot get a handle on this, maybe it IS time for another entity such as the FBI or the DEA to step in and investigate these serious violations.  One more note: they (trainers) appeal the findings so that they can keep running their horses throughout the year and then they take their suspension during the fall and winter when there is not much racing going on and they are at home.  The Racing Commission needs to Suspend them Immediately, including their entire barn and they are not to race another horse until they have been cleared by the racing commission on their findings, because you can bet if one is on it, there is a great chance that they are all on it and they will find a way to “mask” it. Oh Well, that means that your horses that are qualified in a stakes race or are running tomorrow night won’t be because the whole barn is Now Under Suspension! Now, That will stop this crap because owners will not put up with it and they will pull their horses and look for honest trainers!! Now start looking for a job “Mr. Trainer” because nobody will be putting any horses in your barn for fear of being put on Suspension!! This would be “The Michael Vic of racing!!” 

    • Honesttrainer

      I really like you. This not only hurts racing but the little guys that are horsemen. Trying to win races against cheaters.

    • Tres Abagados Stupidos

      AMEN!!!  You can lock this thread.  This is comment pretty much sums it all up.

    • Guest

       Spot on!!

    • LL

      what is the Racing Commission going to do that’s credible when one of its own has horses with a cheater?

      • May Flower

        That is why racing cannot police itself.

      • guest

        What?? I don’t know what your talking about! Who me?? Are you kidding?? Well thats absurd!! Where did you hear that from?? Thats wasn’t an Illegal Drug, that was the Caffeine from the Coke a Cola that the lab tec was drinking during the birthday party at the lab while they were testing the sample, the lab tec contaminated it!!

        • http://www.theracehorseexperiment.com/ Maureen Tierney

           OMG!!!  That is the truth!   ” I have no idea how that exotic and expensive drug got into the horse.”  Perhaps the groom had some on him and it fell out of his pocket into the horse’s feed tub.” 

          That is just pure, unadulterated crap.  And shows that corruption is at the top.  In addition, I am still not happy that Life at Ten wasn’t tested and Todd Pletcher escaped scott free.  What was up with that????  Tell me everyone is honest!

    • Ddequus

      You are right. It’s really unfair to owners who make it clear to trainers that they want to run clean. Trainers just ignore owners and vets are the worst! They act like they work for the trainer instead of the owner. Who pays ALL the bills? It has been my experience that not only do trainers lie (even the “big names”) but the vets act like owners should write the checks (and vet bills have gotten out of control) and shut up. Heaven forbid that an owner ask any questions! Where do you think the trainers get the drugs they are using– could it be from vets? Most of the drugs have legit uses in veterinary medicine — just not in horses. Maybe I’m naive, but since all this has become so public I’ve talked to other owners and I’ve been shocked at the number of owners who are on board for using drugs. I think it’s time for me to get out of breeding and racing horses. I’ve been in it for 26 years but I don’t think I can do it anymore.

      • Guest

        So true, just pay your bill!! They don’t give a rats #@” what happens. They just want to inject, inject, inject, and then you get a bill for $500-$3000 and they call it “Race Prep” on a 2-year old that is big, strong, and unstarted. You question your trainer as to why your bill was so high and he says that he (horse) needs this in order to run because he has some problems. Really??  Well, I just talked to you last week and you said the horse was great, he was feeling wonderful, he was sound and ready to to run. The horse hasn’t even ran a race yet, and I know that he has had works and can get sore but $3000?!  I told one vet off after I questioned him about injecting my unraced 2-year old and he could not tell me “why” he injected him except that after watching him walk down a shed row that he “decided” he needed just about every joint in his body injected and this being AFTER we had just x-rayed to be sure he was good before we started him and all x-rays were perfect! We got in a verbal confrontation at the track and I told him never to touch any of my horses again because if my horse is that #@#* up, he needs to be scratched and turned out – not racing! I also told him that he needed his license taken away. I went to the Commission and nothing was done about it. (They are just as much to blame.) Right now as it is, they (vets) have a License to Steal. They are in the business to sell drugs, and I know that we need them just like I need my doctor; but when an Advil doesn’t work for me, my doctor doesn’t say “hey take this shot of Morphine –  this will do the trick.” You can bet if I needed Morphine, I would be in a Hospital and not running on a race track and so should my horse!! I know a vet that has come from another state to work in the states that have gaming because he just could not make it where he was at; and as soon as we got gaming, the prices sky rocketed on services.  I even get billed for him to drive to the track were he is already working. I know we all need to make a profit because thats what makes the world go round, but I believe that we are being gouged. Its a two-way street because he needs us and we need them, but some of these guys have forgotten where they came from and don’t know where they are going! It’s not about Morals, it’s about the Almighty Dollar.  If it wasn’t for gaming, they would be injecting Dogs and Cats!

        • http://www.theracehorseexperiment.com/ Maureen Tierney

          That is disgusting!  You are completely right. Vets are culpable.  And what recourse do owners really have?  Nothing!!! Absolutely nothing other than to take your horse to another trainer.  Who is probably the same – and now your horse is screwed up from all his “treatment”.

        • Jd

          you hit it on the nose paid 3000 dollar vet bill for shin buck rediculous i had horse have major surgery and  the bill wasnt that much thet have given vets liscense to steal

          • Perks

            That is just crazy!!! I would have had a stroke and then killed someone, lol
            maybe vet needed to make the house payment that day?? No excuses for that.

        • RayeSource

           I agree to a point, but the trainer is responsible and he is instructing the vet what he wants done.  Then you have owners who say why did “Bob’s” horse get this, this and this and not mine?  I agree that the veterinary fees are far too high and a trip charge is ridiculous.

    • Lory

      YOU  ARE RIGHT ON A LOT OF THIS BUT ONE THING TO ADD, MOST OF THE GUYS THAT WON’T KEEP UP WITH THE JONSES NO NOT LARRY ARE OUT OF THIS BUSINESS AS THEY EITHER COULD NOT COMPETE WITH THE HOPPER OR THEY GOT TIRED OF TRYING. there are two horses in the top ten of all time in number of wins for QH that never ran with any drug in their system. one ran on bute once (legal) but threw a bad race so never even ran on that again. i know of another great champion that had bad knees and never ran hot  except on his own adernaline .Sir Vixen had a huge bone spur on his knee and win 21 in a row at La mesa .ran cold. cee bar deck 49 wins 125 starts ran cold Pasamonte Paul 7 world record ran cold. Brad lynn also was a great horse and knowing his trainer he ran cold too.
      All of this crap is not needed if you are a horseman !

  • Guest

    Catch a person with a joint and they’ll do 5 years in jail and be a convicted felon.  Trainers use these serious illegal drugs on innocent animals that have “no say” and then just get slapped on the hand with a $1000 fine while they are still running their stable from the parking lot on a cell phone and get to pick the time they take for their petty 6-month suspension, usually in the fall and winter when there is nothing going on for 4-6 months except breaking yearlings.  He’ll be home every night watching TV and will be at the barn in the morning watching the yearlings being broke, etc.  WOW, hard time! Meanwhile, your horse is broke down and backing up, and when you ask “why,” they tell you that they just don’t know why and you just need to sell the horse. However, he has a Fresh Barn Full Of Promising Yearlings!! If they catch my horses on this stuff I will sue the hell out of them (trainer and vet) not only for the purse money I could have won but also for the well being of my horse. They need to go after the Vets also.  This is a sad day for those of us that bust our butts year round to raise these magnificent athletes and keep them healthy and sound to just get them to the race track to have these trainers bring this black cloud over our industry.  It is a great injustice not only to the horse and endangering their lives, but also the lives of the jockeys and all others that are in their race.  It’s time for the Racing Commission to grow some balls and bring justice and dignity back to this great sport!! They also need to start checking the horses that do break down on the track and that have to be put down, probably wouldn’t be surprised at the findings.  The Racing Commissions need to start dishing out some serious penalties (serious jail time) to the violators so this stops now because as it stands, what fear do the perpetrators have to stop with just a small fine and a few months’ suspension at their choosing! If the Racing Commissions cannot get a handle on this, maybe it IS time for another entity such as the FBI or the DEA to step in and investigate these serious violations.  One more note: they (trainers) appeal the findings so that they can keep running their horses throughout the year and then they take their suspension during the fall and winter when there is not much racing going on and they are at home.  The Racing Commission needs to Suspend them Immediately, including their entire barn and they are not to race another horse until they have been cleared by the racing commission on their findings, because you can bet if one is on it, there is a great chance that they are all on it and they will find a way to “mask” it. Oh Well, that means that your horses that are qualified in a stakes race or are running tomorrow night won’t be because the whole barn is Now Under Suspension! Now, That will stop this crap because owners will not put up with it and they will pull their horses and look for honest trainers!! Now start looking for a job “Mr. Trainer” because nobody will be putting any horses in your barn for fear of being put on Suspension!! This would be “The Michael Vic of racing!!” 

  • Mlmartin

    i watched twenty something trials the other day on TVG. how about a little less support from the ” betfair ” guys?  maybe a name change too would be in order.

  • Mlmartin

    i watched twenty something trials the other day on TVG. how about a little less support from the ” betfair ” guys?  maybe a name change too would be in order.

  • Honesttrainer

    I really like you. This not only hurts racing but the little guys that are horsemen. Trying to win races against cheaters.

  • Tres Abagados Stupidos

     I remember reading in some interviews when Heath Taylor got a bad test for caffeine when he won the All American with Stolis Winner.  He is quoted as saying he has NEVER used drugs on horses and never would.  He also stated when the bad test was overturned that the reverse of the bad test reinstalled his integrity.  Where is that integrity now Heath?

    A confirmed test in Louisiana, a “suspected” test in Texas and just waiting on the Oklahoma rulings.I hope all these guys get ruled off for life.  Go flip burgers somewhere.

  • Tres Abagados Stupidos

    AMEN!!!  You can lock this thread.  This is comment pretty much sums it all up.

  • speechless

    DQ them before they reach the Futuritys!!!!!!!!

  • speechless

    DQ them before they reach the Futuritys!!!!!!!!

  • Guest

    Reading all these comments, I guess Innocent Until Proven Guilty doesn’t cover the racing world.  Just murderers, etc., I guess.  Geez. 

    • Tdgdean602

      GUUILTY GUILTY HANG EM……………………….

    • Charlie Davis

      They’ve been proven guilty.  They tested positive for banned substances.  

    • Tres Abagados Stupidos

      Guest = One of the trainers mentioned above.

  • Guest

    Reading all these comments, I guess Innocent Until Proven Guilty doesn’t cover the racing world.  Just murderers, etc., I guess.  Geez. 

  • theinsider

    Samples were sent to a new lab, and surprise, surprise!  Its not only quarter horses, its just that they havent tested the thoroughbreds yet.  If New Mexico Racing Commision is serious, the money isnt there to investigate and prosecute.  These cases should be referred to the Attorney General and FBI.  Race fixing is a FELONY!

  • theinsider

    Samples were sent to a new lab, and surprise, surprise!  Its not only quarter horses, its just that they havent tested the thoroughbreds yet.  If New Mexico Racing Commision is serious, the money isnt there to investigate and prosecute.  These cases should be referred to the Attorney General and FBI.  Race fixing is a FELONY!

  • Agree with Speechless

    So many trainers know how to work the system to get away with this. The System needs to be changed. There should be no appeals if you are found with a positive with a drug it should be an immediate DQ. If you are found coming out of a trial with Drugs you should not be able to continue to the Furturity. Give the honest trainers and horses with the natural talent a chance. Now we know whos stallions not to breed to!!!!!!

    • Sevencentsstable

      The reason hee horses are not DQ’d beforethe Finals is that the Finals are only a couple weeks after the Trials. In NMit takes almost 3 weeks to get the first test results back. Even with a positive test the trainer ha the right to send their split samples off to another lab for retesting, there oes another couple weeks, at least. By that time they are not only past the Finals, they are into the next set of Trials for the net Futurity. The NMRC could not stop a positive horse from running in the Finals, because if the did, and the split came back negtive, the lawsuits would be astronomical. Until they can get the testing protocols streamlined and accelrated I see no way around this. WHY there can’t be a system put in place for Trials, at least, where sample turnaround can be accomplished in 72 hrs or so, I do not know, but I think the QH people should be looking into that heavily.

      • Sevencentsstable

        Appologize for the many typos, no secretary, I am afraid

      • LongTimeEconomist

        They should be disqualified from the finals, but the process has to be followed for legal reasons. If these guys are dumb enough to use any of this stuff again in the finals, then the punishment should be extremely severe — like a lifetime ban.

  • Agree with Speechless

    So many trainers know how to work the system to get away with this. The System needs to be changed. There should be no appeals if you are found with a positive with a drug it should be an immediate DQ. If you are found coming out of a trial with Drugs you should not be able to continue to the Furturity. Give the honest trainers and horses with the natural talent a chance. Now we know whos stallions not to breed to!!!!!!

  • theinsider

    Actually, horse racing in New Mexico can police itself.  If a trainer is in violation, take away his stalls and don’t issue him stalls at any other tracks.  His owners will leave and not come back.

    • Mfastpony

      Why will they leave just because a trainer has to haul in to race?  I think they should freeze the trainers folder in every state that he has papers in the race office.  Then suspend his entire folder for at least half his suspension, I bet lots of owners would be looking for honest trainers after that happens a time or two.

      As it is now, it doesn’t pay to run a clean show and banning lasix isn’t going to fix that.

  • theinsider

    Actually, horse racing in New Mexico can police itself.  If a trainer is in violation, take away his stalls and don’t issue him stalls at any other tracks.  His owners will leave and not come back.

  • Tdgdean602

    GUUILTY GUILTY HANG EM……………………….

  • WT

    Why isn’t this making the front page of the NY Times?

    • LongTimeEconomist

      It will.

      • Ben K McFadden

         soon

  • WT

    Why isn’t this making the front page of the NY Times?

  • snazzygirl

    These guys should be banned for life.  Not only are they performing illegal activities, they risk the lives of horses and jockeys.  And the vets are just as culpable.  OK, R.D. Hubbard – what are you going to do to clean up your track?  These trainers are prominent trainers with big barns racing at multiple tracks in Oklahoma, New Mexico, and Texas.  Now I have to wonder about Bear Bassett at Los Alamitos.  How is it that he comes along and wins major futurities all of a sudden when he has a very low win percentage?  Like father, like son?

    • Don Hatton

      How can you make accusations about somebody when your to scary to mention your own name??? Pretty cowardly if you ask me. His win percentage was low due to the fact he had only a few horses in his barn.

  • snazzygirl

    These guys should be banned for life.  Not only are they performing illegal activities, they risk the lives of horses and jockeys.  And the vets are just as culpable.  OK, R.D. Hubbard – what are you going to do to clean up your track?  These trainers are prominent trainers with big barns racing at multiple tracks in Oklahoma, New Mexico, and Texas.  Now I have to wonder about Bear Bassett at Los Alamitos.  How is it that he comes along and wins major futurities all of a sudden when he has a very low win percentage?  Like father, like son?

  • Charlie Davis

    They’ve been proven guilty.  They tested positive for banned substances.  

  • Llc

    Thank you, Mr. Paulick, for posting this information.  Every ethical Quarter horse owner who has horses in training should be calling their trainers and asking the question…..are my horses running on drugs?  I just did.

    • Nucky Thompson

      Has your trainer stopped laughing yet ?

    • Ben K McFadden

       Nucky knows material for a good laugh when he sees it.  How many horses do you race, Elsey? Did you have your trainer sign an employment contract?

  • Llc

    Thank you, Mr. Paulick, for posting this information.  Every ethical Quarter horse owner who has horses in training should be calling their trainers and asking the question…..are my horses running on drugs?  I just did.

  • Tres Abagados Stupidos

    Guest = One of the trainers mentioned above.

  • Alan Laythorpe

    This isn’t news!
    QH racing is inundated with individuals pumping illegal stuff into horses.
    I could tell you stories that would curl every straight hair in your body.
    Alan Laythorpe

  • Alan Laythorpe

    This isn’t news!
    QH racing is inundated with individuals pumping illegal stuff into horses.
    I could tell you stories that would curl every straight hair in your body.
    Alan Laythorpe

  • Guest

     Spot on!!

  • Perks

    did anyone catch this last paragraph  part of the story??? 

    two horses with bad tests  -  are owned by  wife of  NM racing commissioner who served four years on NM medication committee???

    Unbelievable!

    • Tinky

      I’m going to go out on a limb and guess that he is “shocked” by these developments.

  • Perks

    did anyone catch this last paragraph  part of the story??? 

    two horses with bad tests  -  are owned by  wife of  NM racing commissioner who served four years on NM medication committee???

    Unbelievable!

  • Tinky

    I’m going to go out on a limb and guess that he is “shocked” by these developments.

  • Abjonas

    You are wrong, Quarter horse racing is not a fading sport….but unfortunately we have alot of bad apples in the barrel….trainers, owners and vets alike.  The racing commissions have to correct this problem, and the best and most effective way is to ban, rule off all those that do not follow the rules.  Eliminate the bad apples.  Otherwise, horse racing is done.

  • Perks

    GO TO AQHA.COM AND CLICK ON RACING..
    MORE BAD TESTS FROM LA LISTED FROM JULY 10TH.  A FEW NAMES WE ALL KNOW.

    • Sevencentsstable

      Where? Couldn’t find it?

  • Perks

    GO TO AQHA.COM AND CLICK ON RACING..
    MORE BAD TESTS FROM LA LISTED FROM JULY 10TH.  A FEW NAMES WE ALL KNOW.

  • Nucky Thompson

    Has the trainer stopped laughing yet ?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3IWEU3KR4M4RW6DQWY24WWQK2I Juan Fortharoad

    The racing officials and track office jobs are all in the Good ‘ol boy network.  In Oklahoma they don’t care about catching anybody. Then the big trainers won’t show up and the track loses.

  • Sevencentsstable

    The reason hee horses are not DQ’d beforethe Finals is that the Finals are only a couple weeks after the Trials. In NMit takes almost 3 weeks to get the first test results back. Even with a positive test the trainer ha the right to send their split samples off to another lab for retesting, there oes another couple weeks, at least. By that time they are not only past the Finals, they are into the next set of Trials for the net Futurity. The NMRC could not stop a positive horse from running in the Finals, because if the did, and the split came back negtive, the lawsuits would be astronomical. Until they can get the testing protocols streamlined and accelrated I see no way around this. WHY there can’t be a system put in place for Trials, at least, where sample turnaround can be accomplished in 72 hrs or so, I do not know, but I think the QH people should be looking into that heavily.

  • Sevencentsstable

    Appologize for the many typos, no secretary, I am afraid

  • Sevencentsstable

    Where? Couldn’t find it?

  • Perks

    LINK TO MORE BAD TESTS FROM THIS WEEK. :(

    http://www.aqha.com/Racing/New

  • LL

    what is the Racing Commission going to do that’s credible when one of its own has horses with a cheater?

  • May Flower

    That is why racing cannot police itself.

  • guest

    Well, so what, where are they going to go with there Big Time Horses, The Big Time Brush Track!! That Big Time Trainer will start Losing those Big Time Horses to the Big Time Little Trainer who will be training at The Big Time Track, running his Big Time Little Barn, and soon that Big Time Little Trainer will be that Big Time Trainer with a Big Time Barn of Big Time Honest Horses”!! The track will see that.

  • LongTimeEconomist

    It will.

  • LongTimeEconomist

    They should be disqualified from the finals, but the process has to be followed for legal reasons. If these guys are dumb enough to use any of this stuff again in the finals, then the punishment should be extremely severe — like a lifetime ban.

  • Guest

    Well, McDonalds has always had a problem with “Where’s The Beef”, I’m sure these guys would figure out away to put “Pigs Juice” in it to Bulk It Up and now call it 1/2 LB instead of 1/4LB so they could charge more for it!! 

  • guest

    What?? I don’t know what your talking about! Who me?? Are you kidding?? Well thats absurd!! Where did you hear that from?? Thats wasn’t an Illegal Drug, that was the Caffeine from the Coke a Cola that the lab tec was drinking during the birthday party at the lab while they were testing the sample, the lab tec contaminated it!!

  • Jd

    i trained for 15 years and now ranch always hated the medicine game if they dont start doing something to these guys racing is dead and everybody will be looking for something else horses will be dirt cheap if they would back off two year old racing would help lots makes you wonder about these one and two race wonder horses can only run a  few times and are done people need to become real horseman and not needle trainers. boost the money for 4 5 and 6 year olds and you would be surprised how many sound good horses there would  be i know have done it with race horses rope horses . send the abusers to  the pen for a term that will iliminate it got to have tougher penaltys for the bad drugs.

  • Jd

    i trained for 15 years and now ranch always hated the medicine game if they dont start doing something to these guys racing is dead and everybody will be looking for something else horses will be dirt cheap if they would back off two year old racing would help lots makes you wonder about these one and two race wonder horses can only run a  few times and are done people need to become real horseman and not needle trainers. boost the money for 4 5 and 6 year olds and you would be surprised how many sound good horses there would  be i know have done it with race horses rope horses . send the abusers to  the pen for a term that will iliminate it got to have tougher penaltys for the bad drugs.

  • Ddequus

    You are right. It’s really unfair to owners who make it clear to trainers that they want to run clean. Trainers just ignore owners and vets are the worst! They act like they work for the trainer instead of the owner. Who pays ALL the bills? It has been my experience that not only do trainers lie (even the “big names”) but the vets act like owners should write the checks (and vet bills have gotten out of control) and shut up. Heaven forbid that an owner ask any questions! Where do you think the trainers get the drugs they are using– could it be from vets? Most of the drugs have legit uses in veterinary medicine — just not in horses. Maybe I’m naive, but since all this has become so public I’ve talked to other owners and I’ve been shocked at the number of owners who are on board for using drugs. I think it’s time for me to get out of breeding and racing horses. I’ve been in it for 26 years but I don’t think I can do it anymore.

  • Guest

    So true, just pay your bill!! They don’t give a rats #@” what happens. They just want to inject, inject, inject, and then you get a bill for $500-$3000 and they call it “Race Prep” on a 2-year old that is big, strong, and unstarted. You question your trainer as to why your bill was so high and he says that he (horse) needs this in order to run because he has some problems. Really??  Well, I just talked to you last week and you said the horse was great, he was feeling wonderful, he was sound and ready to to run. The horse hasn’t even ran a race yet, and I know that he has had works and can get sore but $3000?!  I told one vet off after I questioned him about injecting my unraced 2-year old and he could not tell me “why” he injected him except that after watching him walk down a shed row that he “decided” he needed just about every joint in his body injected and this being AFTER we had just x-rayed to be sure he was good before we started him and all x-rays were perfect! We got in a verbal confrontation at the track and I told him never to touch any of my horses again because if my horse is that #@#* up, he needs to be scratched and turned out – not racing! I also told him that he needed his license taken away. I went to the Commission and nothing was done about it. (They are just as much to blame.) Right now as it is, they (vets) have a License to Steal. They are in the business to sell drugs, and I know that we need them just like I need my doctor; but when an Advil doesn’t work for me, my doctor doesn’t say “hey take this shot of Morphine –  this will do the trick.” You can bet if I needed Morphine, I would be in a Hospital and not running on a race track and so should my horse!! I know a vet that has come from another state to work in the states that have gaming because he just could not make it where he was at; and as soon as we got gaming, the prices sky rocketed on services.  I even get billed for him to drive to the track were he is already working. I know we all need to make a profit because thats what makes the world go round, but I believe that we are being gouged. Its a two-way street because he needs us and we need them, but some of these guys have forgotten where they came from and don’t know where they are going! It’s not about Morals, it’s about the Almighty Dollar.  If it wasn’t for gaming, they would be injecting Dogs and Cats!

  • Guest

    Note: Sandusky/Penn State right here under your noses and they covered it up. 

    The racing commission has known about this crap for years and has done nothing about it albeit a petty slap on the hand. They should have been calling the DEA immediately to report these findings because these drugs are Class 1, but they do nothing. Can this not be considered a serious violation against the horses as Sandusky was to innocent boys?

    However, don’t you mess up as an owner by disputing a vet charge or they will call you in to the stewards and revoke your license and rule you off in a heart beat!!! I guarantee that there were many many more than just 8 horses running on this crap at Ruidoso this year. They have been caught on stuff years before and just swept them under the rug and said well it was an over usage of bute or contamination or something to that effect and kept it “hush hush” in order to save the program. I have been racing all my life and started hearing about “Elephant Juice” being used on some of the great horses in 1979.  It’s the same old story for these trainers…. “Hop and Block.”

  • Guest

    Note: Sandusky/Penn State right here under your noses and they covered it up. 

    The racing commission has known about this crap for years and has done nothing about it albeit a petty slap on the hand. They should have been calling the DEA immediately to report these findings because these drugs are Class 1, but they do nothing. Can this not be considered a serious violation against the horses as Sandusky was to innocent boys?

    However, don’t you mess up as an owner by disputing a vet charge or they will call you in to the stewards and revoke your license and rule you off in a heart beat!!! I guarantee that there were many many more than just 8 horses running on this crap at Ruidoso this year. They have been caught on stuff years before and just swept them under the rug and said well it was an over usage of bute or contamination or something to that effect and kept it “hush hush” in order to save the program. I have been racing all my life and started hearing about “Elephant Juice” being used on some of the great horses in 1979.  It’s the same old story for these trainers…. “Hop and Block.”

  • Lory

    YOU  ARE RIGHT ON A LOT OF THIS BUT ONE THING TO ADD, MOST OF THE GUYS THAT WON’T KEEP UP WITH THE JONSES NO NOT LARRY ARE OUT OF THIS BUSINESS AS THEY EITHER COULD NOT COMPETE WITH THE HOPPER OR THEY GOT TIRED OF TRYING. there are two horses in the top ten of all time in number of wins for QH that never ran with any drug in their system. one ran on bute once (legal) but threw a bad race so never even ran on that again. i know of another great champion that had bad knees and never ran hot  except on his own adernaline .Sir Vixen had a huge bone spur on his knee and win 21 in a row at La mesa .ran cold. cee bar deck 49 wins 125 starts ran cold Pasamonte Paul 7 world record ran cold. Brad lynn also was a great horse and knowing his trainer he ran cold too.
    All of this crap is not needed if you are a horseman !

  • Perks

    STORY/VIDEO FROM NEW MEXICO LAST NIGHT.

    http://www.krqe.com//dpp/news/larry_barker/win-place-or-cheat

  • Perks

    STORY/VIDEO FROM NEW MEXICO LAST NIGHT.

    http://www.krqe.com//dpp/news/

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BI3WY6ZRGAXR2KS25RHBDGAW4Y AZ Wildcat

    It is time to try a new tact, to go after the trainers for tampering with a speed contest, a felony. Here is the New York law, it certainly appears to apply but I am not a lawyer:

    S 180.51 Tampering with a sports contest in the first degree.
    A person is guilty of tampering with a sports contest in the first
    degree when, with intent to influence the outcome of a pari-mutuel horse
    race:
    1. He affects any equine animal involved in the conduct or operation
    of a pari-mutuel horse race by administering to the animal in any manner
    whatsoever any controlled substance listed in section thirty-three
    hundred six of the public health law; or
    2. He knowingly enters or furnishes to another person for entry or
    brings into this state for entry into a pari-mutuel horse race, or rides
    or drives in any pari-mutuel horse race any running, trotting or pacing
    horse, mare, gelding, colt or filly under an assumed name, or
    deceptively out of its proper class, or that has been painted or
    disguised or represented to be any other or different horse, mare,
    gelding, colt or filly from that which it actually is; or
    3. He knowingly and falsely registers with the jockey club, United
    States trotting association, American quarterhorse association or
    national steeplechase and hunt association a horse, mare, gelding, colt
    or filly previously registered under a different name; or
    4. He agrees with one or more persons to enter such misrepresented or
    drugged animal in a pari-mutuel horse race. A person shall not be
    convicted of a violation of this subdivision unless an overt act is
    alleged and proved to have been committed by one of said persons in
    furtherance of said agreement.

    Let a couple of trainers become felons and this will stop.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BI3WY6ZRGAXR2KS25RHBDGAW4Y AZ Wildcat

    It is time to try a new tact, to go after the trainers for tampering with a speed contest, a felony. Here is the New York law, it certainly appears to apply but I am not a lawyer:

    S 180.51 Tampering with a sports contest in the first degree.
    A person is guilty of tampering with a sports contest in the first
    degree when, with intent to influence the outcome of a pari-mutuel horse
    race:
    1. He affects any equine animal involved in the conduct or operation
    of a pari-mutuel horse race by administering to the animal in any manner
    whatsoever any controlled substance listed in section thirty-three
    hundred six of the public health law; or
    2. He knowingly enters or furnishes to another person for entry or
    brings into this state for entry into a pari-mutuel horse race, or rides
    or drives in any pari-mutuel horse race any running, trotting or pacing
    horse, mare, gelding, colt or filly under an assumed name, or
    deceptively out of its proper class, or that has been painted or
    disguised or represented to be any other or different horse, mare,
    gelding, colt or filly from that which it actually is; or
    3. He knowingly and falsely registers with the jockey club, United
    States trotting association, American quarterhorse association or
    national steeplechase and hunt association a horse, mare, gelding, colt
    or filly previously registered under a different name; or
    4. He agrees with one or more persons to enter such misrepresented or
    drugged animal in a pari-mutuel horse race. A person shall not be
    convicted of a violation of this subdivision unless an overt act is
    alleged and proved to have been committed by one of said persons in
    furtherance of said agreement.

    Let a couple of trainers become felons and this will stop.

  • Don Hatton

    Really Ratta? You just had to throw some racism in there too didnt ya?

  • Don Hatton

    Just for starters….when you leave a negative comment or mention other peoples names…Why cant you put YOUR name on here?

  • Don Hatton

    Just for starters….when you leave a negative comment or mention other peoples names…Why cant you put YOUR name on here?

  • Don Hatton

    Thats a pretty stupid comment there Scott.

  • Don Hatton

    Just for the record….Ochoa ran for the first time since Labor Day in the trials. He ran a tired second, came back and stumbled very badly in the finals. Feature Mr. Bojangles won his trial heat. Came back in the finals and got bumped around pretty badly. Do your homework before you guys start talking about other peoples horses.

  • Don Hatton

    How can you make accusations about somebody when your to scary to mention your own name??? Pretty cowardly if you ask me. His win percentage was low due to the fact he had only a few horses in his barn.

  • Don Hatton

    Your an idiot.

  • Ben K McFadden

     soon

  • Ben K McFadden

     Nucky knows material for a good laugh when he sees it.  How many horses do you race, Elsey? Did you have your trainer sign an employment contract?

  • Mfastpony

    Why will they leave just because a trainer has to haul in to race?  I think they should freeze the trainers folder in every state that he has papers in the race office.  Then suspend his entire folder for at least half his suspension, I bet lots of owners would be looking for honest trainers after that happens a time or two.

    As it is now, it doesn’t pay to run a clean show and banning lasix isn’t going to fix that.

  • desertrailrat

     Dude, I’m white, I was just commenting on how earlier threads on this topic were making it sound like the hispanic guys down here were the only ones doping and using frog juice.  Cheaters come in all shapes, sizes, and colors.  You took that wrong.  Or maybe you just aren’t very bright……

  • Don Hatton

    Thats pretty funny, obviously, you have never heard of me. Im well aware that cheaters come in all diff types, well aware. YOU must not know much about the QH industry. I dont care how you try to cover it up that was still an ignorant comment dude…..and yeah, I was quite sure you are white. I didnt take it wrong, just read it right. Do you know the dudes that are under fire from this?

  • Don Hatton

    Just for the record I did enjoy reading the first part of this article. Ask around first before you ask If Im very bright or not. Im still laughing over that one.

  • Don Hatton

    This is just my opinion, and for the most part I agree with what you just said here. There is no excuse for them using the Demorphin, but you have to note that Mr. Draper didnt come up hot for that. The PIG JUICE basically just builds muscle. Yeah, its still cheating, but it doesnt compare to the opiates the others used.

  • desertrailrat

     ”Do you know who I am” may get you a table at a restaurant or get you into a club but doesn’t work with me.  Yes almost everyone named I do have knowledge of.  I’ve been around NM racing for 18 years.  And by around I don’t mean feeding tote machines.  Just don’t throw around the term racism when unnecessary and it will serve you well. 

  • Loneoaklady

    I USE to love to come to Ruidoso for the horse racing and especially for the All American…but things are not the same and have not been for several years with all the drugging. Now when a horse wins..you wonder if it won because of drugs…it has become a sordid sport. Very sad….and it is ALL about the almighty dollar for the trainers and the vets…and some of the owners.It has given the sport a really bad name and alot of people I know do not want to participate even going to the tracks to watch any longer. Cant blame them!!

  • Loneoaklady

    I USE to love to come to Ruidoso for the horse racing and especially for the All American…but things are not the same and have not been for several years with all the drugging. Now when a horse wins..you wonder if it won because of drugs…it has become a sordid sport. Very sad….and it is ALL about the almighty dollar for the trainers and the vets…and some of the owners.It has given the sport a really bad name and alot of people I know do not want to participate even going to the tracks to watch any longer. Cant blame them!!

  • guest

    Krqe.com has a story read it!

  • guest

    Krqe.com has a story read it!

  • WE.KNOW.WHO.HE.IS

     18 yrs compared to his 28. Gotcha beat by 10 years buddy. And he knows his stuff. IF YOU KNEW HIM, the last thing you would say is ignorant!

  • WE.KNOW.WHO.HE.IS

     I didnt take it as racist unless I missed something. Sounded like he was pointing out how everyone wants to blame the hispanic trainers for this but the main guys in trouble are white trainers…who are well respected and viewed as cant do wrongers.

  • WE.KNOW.WHO.HE.IS

    This person obviously doesnt know anything about QH racing. Racing is fading as a whole due to other alternatives but horse racing we be just fine.

  • Inherthyz

     WILL BE

  • Don Hatton

    yeah, your right about that, and maybe I took it the wrong way.

  • Tmac

    It’s time the owners started holding these trainers accountable…If a trainer is caught giving this to one of my horses, I will get a lawyer and sue them in court – the racing commissions sure aren’t scaring the trainers.

  • Tmac

    It’s time the owners started holding these trainers accountable…If a trainer is caught giving this to one of my horses, I will get a lawyer and sue them in court – the racing commissions sure aren’t scaring the trainers.

  • Maureen

    That is disgusting!  You are completely right. Vets are culpable.  And what recourse do owners really have?  Nothing!!! Absolutely nothing other than to take your horse to another trainer.  Who is probably the same – and now your horse is screwed up from all his “treatment”.

  • Maureen

     OMG!!!  That is the truth!   ” I have no idea how that exotic and expensive drug got into the horse.”  Perhaps the groom had some on him and it fell out of his pocket into the horse’s feed tub.” 

    That is just pure, unadulterated crap.  And shows that corruption is at the top.  In addition, I am still not happy that Life at Ten wasn’t tested and Todd Pletcher escaped scott free.  What was up with that????  Tell me everyone is honest!

  • desertrailrat

      Ok me saying you aren’t very bright was not cool, just like you calling me racist.  So I apologize for that.  If we can agree that NM is missing out on opportunities left and right to improve than I’m happy.  Beautiful weather, affordable land for boarding and training, low cost of living and labor, all being squandered by a small group of shortsighted greedy guys that only care about slots, with no interest in improving the lives of horsemen and their animals.

       Sunland is the farthest ahead of the curve, but I find it somewhat appalling that people have to go to an empty track in Albuquerque on a mild sunny winter day to bet on horses running through the snow and wind at Parx and Aqueduct.

      As long as they continue mixed meets, TB trainers, owners, and most importantly, bettors are never going to take the TB product seriously.  Very few people care to handicap a mixed card, it needs to be one or the other.  I do understand that the QH population is larger, but the powers that be need to understand that any serious TB handicapper wouldn’t touch a mixed card with a 10 foot pole.  There are some pretty good TB jockeys around here including SoCal transplants Enriquez and Jaime that would appreciate having more than 4 races to ride I’m sure too.  Delta and Louisiana Downs split the breeds, why can’t NM?  Even if the meet was shorter than the QH season, it would sure be more appealing to trainers considering shipping.  This I know for a fact.

  • Ddequus

    Pig Juice doesn’t “just build muscle”. Read up on it. It can cause kidney failure, especially in fillies. The trainer won’t admit that is what caused the kidney failure in my filly, but he got a bad test on it in another horse that year. Broke my heart that I had to put that filly down after trying everything I could to save her. I raised her and she was special to me.

  • guest

    Go to KRQE.com and read what Carl Draper told a News reporter… “That in 34 years of horse racing he has never drugged a horse and that he has no idea how Ractopamine found its way into my horses.” Are You Kidding Me, you just Insulted Your Own Intelligence with that comment! You really have no Idea??  You think maybe when all of you were smoking that Pig on the pit the groom must have shared his pulled pork sandwich with his horses??? 

  • guest

    Go to KRQE.com and read what Carl Draper told a News reporter… “That in 34 years of horse racing he has never drugged a horse and that he has no idea how Ractopamine found its way into my horses.” Are You Kidding Me, you just Insulted Your Own Intelligence with that comment! You really have no Idea??  You think maybe when all of you were smoking that Pig on the pit the groom must have shared his pulled pork sandwich with his horses??? 

  • Guest

    When is the NMSRC going to actually enforce there own rules? There has been bad tests in NM for years, everything from cocaine, to the latest drug and everything else in between! There has been tons of trainers that havent been caught or have had their bad tests brushed under the rug, because New Mexico never does anything to hardly anyone! While a couple here and there are caught for the same thing that alot of people have been doing! Is it right, No. Should everyone that is running on illegal drugs be prosecuted, YES. New Mexico Racing is a free for all, just do what ever you want and roll on! You dont here about too many other states with so many drug problems, because other states actually punish the individuals, that cheat the public! New Mexico Racing seems to be the Armpitt of Horseracing, doesnt matter how much deoderant you put on it, it still stinks!

  • Guest

    When is the NMSRC going to actually enforce there own rules? There has been bad tests in NM for years, everything from cocaine, to the latest drug and everything else in between! There has been tons of trainers that havent been caught or have had their bad tests brushed under the rug, because New Mexico never does anything to hardly anyone! While a couple here and there are caught for the same thing that alot of people have been doing! Is it right, No. Should everyone that is running on illegal drugs be prosecuted, YES. New Mexico Racing is a free for all, just do what ever you want and roll on! You dont here about too many other states with so many drug problems, because other states actually punish the individuals, that cheat the public! New Mexico Racing seems to be the Armpitt of Horseracing, doesnt matter how much deoderant you put on it, it still stinks!

  • Lory

    here more to follow. may see a lot of small stables starting to prosper. run clean guys and you will  be able to beat the cheats on horsemanship if the drugs go away.

  • Lory

    here more to follow. may see a lot of small stables starting to prosper. run clean guys and you will  be able to beat the cheats on horsemanship if the drugs go away.

  • http://www.theracehorseexperiment.com/ Maureen Tierney

    It seems that every time drugs come up in horse racing – especially legal drugs -
    the pro-drug people are quick to say the rules are strict and only allow a very tiny
    amount be in the blood. Nanograms everyone says. Tiny tiny amounts.
    What this implies is that substances at such “low” levels are basically gone from the body and have no effect.

    Curious, I decided to look up nanograms. What I found at the following
    sites, is that 5 nanograms of THC (the active ingredient in Marijuana) is
    considered under the influence and you can be arrested as a DUI. I
    further discovered that 5 nanograms of THC is equivalent to .04% blood
    alcohol level. So certainly an effect can still be felt with nanograms.
    For those interested, if you are a commercial driver, you can be charged
    with DUI in any state in the country.

    A lethal dose of botulism is 1ng/kg (or 1ng/1000 ml).  Hard to deny an effect there!

    Bee stings can be fatal at .035 ng/ml.  Again, hard to deny an effect, if you’re dead.

    So
    nanograms – not so innocent as drug users would have us believe. And it
    certainly doesn’t mean the substance has left the body!

    Those in racing who care about their horses would do well to stop buying the party line and do some research when people tell them things.

    http://www.pennsylvaniaduilawyers.com http://www.scribd.com/doc/49435475/Marijuana-DUI-Report http://www.portal.state.pa.us/portal/
    http://www.medscape.org/viewarticle/487682_4
    http://web.mst.edu/~microbio/BIO221_2010/C_botulinum.html

  • Maureen

    It seems that every time drugs come up in horse racing – especially legal drugs -
    the pro-drug people are quick to say the rules are strict and only allow a very tiny
    amount be in the blood. Nanograms everyone says. Tiny tiny amounts.
    What this implies is that substances at such “low” levels are basically gone from the body and have no effect.

    Curious, I decided to look up nanograms. What I found at the following
    sites, is that 5 nanograms of THC (the active ingredient in Marijuana) is
    considered under the influence and you can be arrested as a DUI. I
    further discovered that 5 nanograms of THC is equivalent to .04% blood
    alcohol level. So certainly an effect can still be felt with nanograms.
    For those interested, if you are a commercial driver, you can be charged
    with DUI in any state in the country.

    A lethal dose of botulism is 1ng/kg (or 1ng/1000 ml).  Hard to deny an effect there!

    Bee stings can be fatal at .035 ng/ml.  Again, hard to deny an effect, if you’re dead.

    So
    nanograms – not so innocent as drug users would have us believe. And it
    certainly doesn’t mean the substance has left the body!

    Those in racing who care about their horses would do well to stop buying the party line and do some research when people tell them things.

    http://www.pennsylvaniaduilawyhttp://www.scribd.com/doc/4943http://www.portal.state.pa.us/
    http://www.medscape.org/viewar
    http://web.mst.edu/~microbio/B

  • Hollyglndale1

    I am a regulrt at the OTBs in Arizona and will never place a bet on a a Ruidoso Downs race again. Let’s put them out of buisness. With all the doping there and a Mexican drug cartel player running horses there to laundry money ! It’s a corrupt track that needs to be put out of business.

    • Guest

      Why would any sane bettor everr bet on QH racing, anyhow?

  • Hollyglndale1

    I am a regulrt at the OTBs in Arizona and will never place a bet on a a Ruidoso Downs race again. Let’s put them out of buisness. With all the doping there and a Mexican drug cartel player running horses there to laundry money ! It’s a corrupt track that needs to be put out of business.

  • Don Martello

    Sorry to hear that, breaks my heart as a former owner. Bought my only TB in 1986 raced him six times in NY where he was injured. Took him home made him a pleasure horse, built hiim a beautiful farm in NC where he passed away at age 27 last year. Love the game but something needs to be done to get rid of these individuals.
    Again I am sorry for your loss.

  • Guest

    Looks like some of the known horse druggers, whose horses ran unusually poorly in the Ruidoso Trials, are back into business, winning quite a few races the last 10-12 days. I guess somehow THEY knew when the samples were going to a stricter lab for testing. Now it back to the Ames, IA lab, the cheap testing and the users are rolling right along again. So much for hoping things would get better! *sigh*

  • Guest

    Looks like some of the known horse druggers, whose horses ran unusually poorly in the Ruidoso Trials, are back into business, winning quite a few races the last 10-12 days. I guess somehow THEY knew when the samples were going to a stricter lab for testing. Now it back to the Ames, IA lab, the cheap testing and the users are rolling right along again. So much for hoping things would get better! *sigh*

  • Guest

    Why would any sane bettor everr bet on QH racing, anyhow?

  • Jd

    you hit it on the nose paid 3000 dollar vet bill for shin buck rediculous i had horse have major surgery and  the bill wasnt that much thet have given vets liscense to steal

  • Perks

    That is just crazy!!! I would have had a stroke and then killed someone, lol
    maybe vet needed to make the house payment that day?? No excuses for that.

  • guest

    Look at the entries for the Rainbow Derby! They are right back at it and the New Mexico Racing Commission lets them.  They said they are not welcome in New Mexico and that they don’t care who you are, blaa, blaa, blaa, blaa. Look at the 10 horse CD Riggins. They (Racing Commission) should of been watching and reading the program and Took Notice to this horse. Hey you always hope you draw a fast trial and get sucked in but He has no buisness in that final. He’s a 3 yr old with 3k in earnings. This is a 5k claiming horse with a horrible race record (3rd maiden, 8th derby trial, 6th maiden, and all before the Rainbow trials) and now he’s running for 1 mil?  This horse is so out Classed he can’t even smell those other nine finalists!! It’s not the horses fault. If this doesn’t make you wonder then I don’t know what will! My trainer (a top 5 trainer) would tell me i would be crazy to ask him to enter my horse in those trials with that record because he is in way way over his head and he wouldn’t have a snowball chance in hell, and Surprise look who trains him and owns him. I pray for this horse and rider going 440 yards against some of the Best 3-yr olds in the country 

  • guest

    Look at the entries for the Rainbow Derby! They are right back at it and the New Mexico Racing Commission lets them.  They said they are not welcome in New Mexico and that they don’t care who you are, blaa, blaa, blaa, blaa. Look at the 10 horse CD Riggins. They (Racing Commission) should of been watching and reading the program and Took Notice to this horse. Hey you always hope you draw a fast trial and get sucked in but He has no buisness in that final. He’s a 3 yr old with 3k in earnings. This is a 5k claiming horse with a horrible race record (3rd maiden, 8th derby trial, 6th maiden, and all before the Rainbow trials) and now he’s running for 1 mil?  This horse is so out Classed he can’t even smell those other nine finalists!! It’s not the horses fault. If this doesn’t make you wonder then I don’t know what will! My trainer (a top 5 trainer) would tell me i would be crazy to ask him to enter my horse in those trials with that record because he is in way way over his head and he wouldn’t have a snowball chance in hell, and Surprise look who trains him and owns him. I pray for this horse and rider going 440 yards against some of the Best 3-yr olds in the country 

  • Cantanero

    Just browsing Paulik report bumped into your reply sorry you lost Willie.

  • RayeSource

     I agree to a point, but the trainer is responsible and he is instructing the vet what he wants done.  Then you have owners who say why did “Bob’s” horse get this, this and this and not mine?  I agree that the veterinary fees are far too high and a trip charge is ridiculous.

  • RayeSource

     A bit short sighted here Don, there are many factors that enter into running separate meets.  If a handicapper is so handicapped that he can’t or won’t bet both breeds, they are missing a golden opportunity to make more money.  As far as training……a horse is a horse.  You adjust the training schedule to fit the individual.  A good trainer can train both and do well with both.  In fact your top Thoroughbred trainers were originally known for training Quarter Horses.  (Baffert & Lucas)  What needs to be done is to double the barn area to house more horses, add a training track and run a minimum of 60 days.  The Downs of Albuquerque and Zia Park are despicable in improving conditions for the horsemen and both want to reduce racing days. 

    At the rate the industry is going, horses will need license plates having to go up and down the highways so much.  All these expenses fall right back on to the race horse owner, while the track/gaming license holder make (53%) 2 1/2 times the money distributed to the horsemen (20%) for purses and breeder incentives.  State taxes are garnered at 25% which was $63 million.  Yet, the poor track/gaming license holders cry foul when they are expected to endure the cost of doing business.  Jockey/exercise rider insurance.  The horsemen in NM voluntarily agreed to pay half.

  • Maureen

    Where do you get your figures? Taxes of $63 million????  NM must have the most successful tracks in the country.  You do realize that the vast majority of money bet at the track (the handle) is returned to the bettors?

    Churchill Downs taxes in 2008 were only $8 million.  And this information is available in their annual report for 2008, which can be found online at their website.

  • RayeSource

     NM Racing Commissioners are restricted from imposing larger fines and penalty’s due to State Statue.  Then too, one must also remember that the racing commission is a political appointee panel, which requires no knowledge of the horse racing industry.  Imagine if that was true of the medical, construction, real estate or other regulatory agencies?  Although the current commission seems to be trying to do a good job, they have a lot to over come from previous commissions and the “Good Ole Boy Club.”

  • RayeSource

     NM HORSE BREEDERS ASSOCIATION

    ANNUAL IMPACT OF THE BREEDING & RACING INDUSTRY IN NEW MEXICO

    $400 Million into New Mexico’s Economy
    $63 Million in gaming taxes to New Mexico
    10,000 jobs in New Mexico
    12,000 horses associated with the industry

    Horseracing is the largest spectator sport in New Mexico attracting more than 2 million out-of-state visitors while preserving farm land and valuable green space

    Horse Farms are a critical element in maintenance of the states agricultural heritage

    New Mexico Racing is Nationally Ranked

    #7 – In number of Thoroughbred Stallions and Mares bred
    #5 – In number of American Quarter Horse starters and owners of starters
    #4 – In breeders of American Quarter Horse starters

  • Maureen

    This is not the track’s financial statement.  The $400 million includes breeding and racing figures, which includes the total economic impact of racehorse breeding and racing in the state, such feed, bedding, employment in the horse industry, etc.  The $63 million is not taxes the track paid, but the state’s cut of the handle.

    The tracks did not “earn” $400 million.

  • RayeSource

     You must have a dyslexic mind.  You ask a question and I answer it.  READ IT!  It says it is an annual report for the racing/gaming in NM.  I just think you are one of those individuals who don’t want to be confused by facts when you’re mind is already made up.

  • Maureen

     

    Yes, racing/gaming.  Not the racetrack.  It’s the STATE annual report.  You might want to ask an accountant what the difference
    is.  Racetracks are not owned or run by the state.  They are businesses, and each has its own annual report.  It is you who is confused.

  • RayeSource

     I replied to this earlier, but apparently it got lost.  You asked where I got the $63 million figure and I copied and the figures.  It was very self explanatory stating that it was an annual report for the gaming/racing industry.  Either you have your mind made up and don’t want to be confused with the facts or you simply can’t read.

  • Maureen

    My point is that you were talking about The Downs and Zia.  There are 5 tracks in NM.  The $63 million is from all of them.  I will drop this issue since you don’t seem to understand what I’m saying.  However, you also complain that the track gets 2.5 times the money that the horsemen get.  I don’t see why you think that’s unfair.  It costs money to run a racetrack.  I am a horseman but I also understand  business.  The equipment to maintain the track alone costs a fortune, then there are the maintenance costs, fuel costs, operator costs.  Imagine the electric bill.  Imagine the water bill. Horsemen use lots of water – and lots of hot water and lots of electricity, for which they don’t pay.  Manure removal is not free.  All the track employees need to be paid.  Ambulances must be on hand whenever horses are on the track.  Those are just a handful of the expenses the track must pay.  Horsemen do not pay to stay at the track, they do not pay utilities, they charge owners for their expenses.  The horsemen whine but the owners are the ones who don’t make money. 

  • RayeSource

    The horsemen are saddled with a multitude of expenses including vehicles, insurance, utilities, employees, rent away from home, rent or mortgage for their home and families who they are away from most of the year. The race track is gathering all the golden eggs given by the golden goose (horsemen), who was the very instrument who obtained electronic gaming. This was to enhance the purses, improve the quality of life and provide a profit for all involved. It really doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that the horsemen are being pushed out of the picture every year by track managements. The tracks very rarely promote horse racing, it is all about the casino. Try to find a web site for Zia Park. No luck? Try looking for the black gold casino. Some where in a tab, you will see horsemen. These tracks come up with all these stats and figures that work in their favor, let me have access to the same data and I will have those same facts and figures work in another direction. Numbers are easy to manipulate. Yes, the track has added expenses when a race meet is running, but that is the cost of being able to gather the golden eggs. Oh yes, in addition to the slots, all the concessions are free gratis, they receive a 1/3 of uncashed tickets and are allowed capital improvements through the benefits of horse racing. For most of the year track owners/licensees stay in one location year round and basically pay minimum wage with very little overhead. Maybe, if this was such a losing propostion, Penn National would not be competing to buy up or build race tracks across the nation. Google them

  • Maureen

    Are racetracks supposed to be charitable organizations?  Every normal person has to pay rent, have a vehicle, and pay expenses for their homes.  I was talking racing expenses.  It’s free to enter, it’s free to stay at the track, the utilities are free at the track. 

    I lived in NM for 10 years and they do promote racing. On TV.  For people in NM.  People do not travel to NM to watch horse racing in Albuquerque or Santa Fe.  They come for the balloon fiesta, to see Santa Fe, to go to Casinos, to see White Sands, Carlsbad Caverns, etc.  They might come to visit Ruidoso, I lived near Albuquerque so can’t say. But I would imagine Ruidoso gets most of any tourist interest in horse racing.

    If horsemen are unhappy and running a track is so profitable and inexpensive maybe the horsemen should start their own track.  That’s what Keeneland is, a track started by horsemen. 

    Horse racing is NOT a family sport and until HORSEMEN insist that racing clean up its act, racing will continue it’s downward slide.  Tell the HBPA to get off its ass, stop whining, and do something to move racing into the future.

  • RayeSource

    Horse Racing is BIG FAMILY business here in NM as well as else where. They also to seem to be the pawns when they should be the king and queen. The only race track in the state that I admire and one that does things right is Sunland Park. The rest I will keep my comments to myself. The majority of horsemen want enforcement of the rules of racing, BUT it is the Racing Commission who is the regulatory body. The honest horsemen are just as disgusted with this situation as anyone. I agree, where is the HBPA and what are they doing for NM?

  • LORY

    Splits are back-confirmed positives    krqe  tv reports

    • Lotsahomes

      So is anything going to happen or everyone forgot already

  • LORY

    Splits are back-confirmed positives    krqe  tv reports

  • Lotsahomes

    So is anything going to happen or everyone forgot already

  • juan

    It really bothers me that the veterinarians are not bring held responsible or accountable. They are the ones who provide the trainers with the drugs. It’s their job to know about the new drugs that are available. I worked for a vet during all of this, they are basically drug dealers with degrees. Dr. Bob g story should be put on trial for illegal drug use and improper practices.

  • juan

    If anyone is interested in the truth of all this, please feel free to message me. This whole racing scandal goes way beyond painkillers and steroids. Extreme animal abuse is common place in the the race track world. Most of the vets that are on the medication committee still work at the track using the illegal substances while using their knowledge of testing to avoid being caught. The veterinarians are probably the worst, most of these trainers wouldn’t even know about the frog juice had it not been offered to them by their veterinarian. (one or two in particular)

    • http://www.theracehorseexperiment.com/ Maureen Tierney

      I would like to know more, but have to idea how to message you.

  • crookedstick

    Wonder if Leonard Blach considered these Drugs when he ok’d Equne Drugs for human consumption in horsemeat?

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