Lengthy suspensions, fines handed down by Louisiana commission

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After two days of hearings, the Louisiana State Racing Commission handed down lengthy suspensions and fines to eight Quarter Horse and Thoroughbred trainers whose horses tested positive for the Class 1 drug dermorphin.
 
The stiffest penalty went to Alvin Smith Jr., whose license was suspended for 10 years for the third Class 1 violation in his career. He was also fined $20,000.
 
John Darrel Soileau was suspended a total of 10 years for two separate dermorphin positives, and he was fined a total of $20,000.
 
Alonza Loya received a five-year suspension and he was fined $10,000 for a dermorphin positive.
 
Michael Heath Taylor received a $10,000 fine and five-year suspension for one dermorphin positive.

After two days of hearings, the Louisiana State Racing Commission handed down lengthy suspensions and fines to eight Quarter Horse and Thoroughbred trainers whose horses tested positive for the Class 1 drug dermorphin.

The stiffest penalty went to Alvin Smith Jr., whose license was suspended for 10 years for the third Class 1 violation in his career. He was also fined $20,000.

John Darrel Soileau was suspended a total of 10 years for two separate dermorphin positives, and he was fined a total of $20,000.

Alonza Loya received a five-year suspension and he was fined $10,000 for a dermorphin positive.

Michael Heath Taylor received a $10,000 fine and five-year suspension for one dermorphin positive.

Smith, Soileau, Loya and Taylor were all represented by attorney Donald Kelly, who said the suspensions would be appealed through the judicial system. The suspensions don’t take effect for 30 days, allowing attorneys time to file their appeals. The suspensions also confirm stewards rulings that redistributed purses from races in which the trainers’ horses raced while under the influence of the prohibited drug.

The remaining penalties were lighter, based on the cooperative testimony provided by the trainers.

Kyi Lormand, the first of the trainers to say that veterinarian Kyle Hebert and his assistants were responsible for giving the drug, was suspended three years and fined $2,500.

Anthony Agilar, who had two dermorphin positives, was given two three-year suspensions and two $2,500 fines. However, the suspensions are to run concurrently, so his total ban is three years. His total fine is $2,500. Agilar also fingered veterinarian Hebert and his assistants, saying Hebert disguised the treatments as bleeder medication and changed the dates of the administration for billing purposes so that they were not on raceday.

Lamont Keith Charles, who gave police a syringe believed to contain the drug in question, also received a three-year suspension and was fined $2,500.

Gonzalo Gonzales, who identified himself as a “program trainer” who did not actually train the horse that tested positive, received a three-year suspension and was fined $2,500.

The suspensions of Lormand, Agilar, and Charles could be reduced or increased, commissioners said, because of their cooperation in providing information about the veterinarians who treated their horses.

Charles Gardiner, executive director of the racing commission, said investigations of veterinarians are ongoing with both the commission and Lousiana State Police.

Paulick Report will provide more detail on the second day of the hearing in a subsequent article.

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  • 870 express

    Finally, justice is served !! It’s time these crooks get what they have coming to them. Sounds like there might be a little veterinary ring getting busted up as well. Now if Oklahoma and New Mexico will finish cleaning their sewers, and IF Texas can learn how to handle a split; then I’d say there might be a short window of time that people can run in an honest clean horse race. Hopefully the State of Louisiana will lean on these low lifes as well. Ray Paulick ! You did an exceptional job getting the word out during these hearings !!!

  • 870 express

    Finally, justice is served !! It’s time these crooks get what they have coming to them. Sounds like there might be a little veterinary ring getting busted up as well. Now if Oklahoma and New Mexico will finish cleaning their sewers, and IF Texas can learn how to handle a split; then I’d say there might be a short window of time that people can run in an honest clean horse race. Hopefully the State of Louisiana will lean on these low lifes as well. Ray Paulick ! You did an exceptional job getting the word out during these hearings !!!

  • No Penalties in Horse Racing

    How can someone get 3 Class 1 positives and still have a chance to participate in this sport?  No wonder our public perception stinks.

  • No Penalties in Horse Racing

    How can someone get 3 Class 1 positives and still have a chance to participate in this sport?  No wonder our public perception stinks.

  • Susan Watkins

    Awesome!!!!  Awesome!!!!   Awesome!!!  It might not be the best but heck it is at least a start….now to keep an eye on the appeals….

    • Convene

       That’s what I was gonna post too! Handing down suspensions is one thing but hey – if you appeal, you can go on training for a year … two years … whatever! And y’all know to whom I refer.

  • Susan Watkins

    Awesome!!!!  Awesome!!!!   Awesome!!!  It might not be the best but heck it is at least a start….now to keep an eye on the appeals….

  • No Penalties in Horse Racing

    There will be another “demorphin” and probably already is.  Until there is an overhaul in how vets are monitored nothing will change.  These vets should be charged by the Feds for race fixing.  That may send a message.

    • Sevencentsstable

      Who, other than the trainers looking for an out, says it’s the vets??? I will gaurantee you there is not a trainer out there who can’t give a shot, and there is no first hand hand report of the stuff even being an injectable. AND, there is no first hand report of WHEN it’s administered. The person who reported using the natural frog juice in S America stated he was up and felt a million bucks for 3 days. Maybe they are giving this stuff, however they are giving it, 24 or 48 hours out??

      • Sevencentsstable

        On another note, between the 3 articles on PR, several different vet practices are named by the different trainers. If it was only 1 vet for all the trainers it might look different, but even that wouldn’t be proof.

        • ellie

          vets well do what ever it takes to make money, seen it first hand.

      • No Penalties in Horse Racing

        Not excusing the trainers.  However, vets are the only ones allowed to bring injectables onto the track.  Is anyone inspecting their vans?  Shouldn’t they be randomly searched to see what medications they have in their possession?  Recourse for the vets would curb alot of vets who want to become heroes with their favorite trainers.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1615935556 Jeannie Parisi

          Vets are not the only ones that know how to inject the horses, 

          • Barry Irwin

            Not only are there trainers and staff able to administer injections, there is even one trainer that does throat operations in his stalls. Also, I would say that vets sometimes are as surprised as investigators when a horse in their care test positive for a drug that they don’t even have in their possession.

          • DinkyDiva

            Mr. Irwin…  It’s so nice to have you hanging out on the Paulic Report.  And, what you said is so true.  I made a reference to that above.

          • ellie

            what the hell thats nuts.maybe vets should come down a little on thier billing and wouldn’t make trainers even think of doing stuff like that,not saying its right or that i understand him doing that, but just saying these vets bills are way out of hand, they need to be watched on what they bill and put a limit to what they can bill for on services,makes a trainer come up with these kind of things. LIMIT THEM SOME, YOU CAN’T SAY THEY ARN’T MAKING A GOOD LIVEN.coming  from someone that has had to pay some of thier way to high of bills. makes it hard for a small man ranning horses right no drugs, no hopping and blocking just honest running, makes him have to leave the one thing he truely loves horses.

          • Abbers

             Throat operations??? What kind of operations?

          • Convene

             Now THAT’s one h–l of a scary thought!

          • Beachy

            I would imagine Mr. Irwin is speaking of “scoping” or someone being able to “trach” a horse. 

            Here’s an issue, too–unless a trainer has taken an equine veterinary tech course, he/she still has to be taught to do the stuff he/she may be doing.  And any vet who is teaching people how to do things they are technically not qualified to do is either not too bright or trusts others with knowledge they possibly should not be entrusted with. 

          • Tbhorseman

            There is a very simple procedure where they cut a muscle or two in the neck that I am sure some idiot has done themselves.  The hole they cut in the neck to do it is only 2 inches long and is left open for draining.  I have had vets do this for me with good results.  I would imagine this is the procedure they do themselves..

          • Jayne

             Thats really disturbing to think a trainer is performing throat operations at the track.  Shouldn’t this trainer be reported somehow, somewhere.  Obviously someone has observed this happening.  I can’t imagine the risk of infection present at the track with all the dust etc.  Although I do seem to remember hearing about a prominent trainer that, for some reason, would automatically nick one of the muscles in the throat of a newly claimed horse.  I thought it was just gossip

          • onlythebest

            In CA that can be jail time for practising veterinary medicine without a license.  Anything invasive is suspect as far as thetate goes. 

        • Sevencentsstable

          Umm, you are dealing with trainers who are using frog juice on their horses, do you really think they won’t bringa needle on the grounds because “it’s not allowed”?? One of these guys has already been suspended before for having sal needles and syringes in his possession in IA.

        • ellie

          i agree vet should be checked like everyone going throw those gates how do you think some of those drugs get back there,just saying

          • http://www.theracehorseexperiment.com/ Maureen Tierney

            There is no point in checking vets vans.  I don’t suppose they label the bottle Frog Juice.  And trainers are perfectly capable of bringing injectables onto track grounds.  If people are cheating do you think they care about rules?

          • ellie

            just saying i worked for a trainer that got hes bad drugs from a vet, even seen them almost kill a horse trying some of these bad drugs to see how the horse would,the bad thing is the horse didn’t need it the horse was fast on hes own, i was so upset,needless to say i no longer work there.

          • http://www.theracehorseexperiment.com/ Maureen Tierney

            I agree with you – it’s bad.  It’s Ugly.  And it’s human nature at it’s worst. Animal abuse, cheating, criminal acts . . .   The racetrack is not a nice place.  Things need to change.

        • Easyhitch

          Not all racetrack veterinarians are like that. Some of us will not deal with any of the illegal drugs used on racehorses. Some of us still care about the horses.

    • ellie

      so very true they strat working on the next drug before this on got known

    • http://Bellwether4u.com James Staples

      HELL YES!!!…ty…

    • racefan

      vets monitored?  does trainer responsibility mean anything, don’t think there is any vet in the country that would give something without the trainer’s consent, if the vet gave it at all

      • Sevencentsstable

        Wellllll, there is one vet who would, or at least did once. I had a vet I had recently hired come out of  filly’s stall and tell me “Ya know, I put a little block in those knees for you. I won’t charge the owners for it because you didn’t tell me to, but I think it will help ya.” When I recovered my voice from the shock I calmly told him “While I know that is common practice out here, and you thought you were being nice, I DO NOT block horses’ legs. EVER. I will scratch her and do not ever do that again.” I didn’t fire him, there weren’t any others around I could stand. He appologized. He never went into one of my stalls without myself or my 2nd in command again, not even with a groom. We go aong fne after that.

        Another outfit had several vets and one of my NO Lasix horses got Lasix (I had run to change because the vet wasn’t supposed to there). Another time 2 of their vets each gave a horse Lasix for the same race 15 minutes apart (we later realized what had happened, I was in the paddock w/ another horse). I had fired that outfit when I picked up the guy above.

        So, sometimes things can happen. But not 11 times with 3 or 4 different vet outfits in a 2 week span!

      • Kbg11

        no kidding, its th trainer ultimately, if they started fining the horse for the season, owners, might think twice who trains for them, nope they just move to another trainer when their trainer gets fined

    • Kbg11

      vets, you can order it online, please

  • No Penalties in Horse Racing

    There will be another “demorphin” and probably already is.  Until there is an overhaul in how vets are monitored nothing will change.  These vets should be charged by the Feds for race fixing.  That may send a message.

  • Five2_Three

    Now the DEA should step in.

    • Gradylikes

      I think they might have a bigger fish to fry.

  • Five2_Three

    Now the DEA should step in.

  • Sevencentsstable

    Who, other than the trainers looking for an out, says it’s the vets??? I will gaurantee you there is not a trainer out there who can’t give a shot, and there is no first hand hand report of the stuff even being an injectable. AND, there is no first hand report of WHEN it’s administered. The person who reported using the natural frog juice in S America stated he was up and felt a million bucks for 3 days. Maybe they are giving this stuff, however they are giving it, 24 or 48 hours out??

  • Sevencentsstable

    On another note, between the 3 articles on PR, several different vet practices are named by the different trainers. If it was only 1 vet for all the trainers it might look different, but even that wouldn’t be proof.

  • No Penalties in Horse Racing

    Not excusing the trainers.  However, vets are the only ones allowed to bring injectables onto the track.  Is anyone inspecting their vans?  Shouldn’t they be randomly searched to see what medications they have in their possession?  Recourse for the vets would curb alot of vets who want to become heroes with their favorite trainers.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1615935556 Jeannie Parisi

    It is about time,STOP putting these horses at risk bad enough they (ALL) do not have the heart to care and they know that a horses legs are NOT fully developed until the age of 5, that in itself puts these amazing animals at risk for injuries/death, wake up people and care, yes CARE not about the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ but about a beautiful animal , makes me so sad and sick

    • ellie

      thank god some one that think like i do. owned a horse and didnt run him until end of 3 still young but had every thing xrayed before putting him on track to make sure he was ready.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1615935556 Jeannie Parisi

    It is about time,STOP putting these horses at risk bad enough they (ALL) do not have the heart to care and they know that a horses legs are NOT fully developed until the age of 5, that in itself puts these amazing animals at risk for injuries/death, wake up people and care, yes CARE not about the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ but about a beautiful animal , makes me so sad and sick

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1615935556 Jeannie Parisi

    Vets are not the only ones that know how to inject the horses, 

  • Sevencentsstable

    Umm, you are dealing with trainers who are using frog juice on their horses, do you really think they won’t bringa needle on the grounds because “it’s not allowed”?? One of these guys has already been suspended before for having sal needles and syringes in his possession in IA.

  • DinkyDiva

    Well, it’s a start.  How do you not Know what the Vets are injecting your horses with?  Let’s see how many of these “cheats” ummm, trainers took a page or two out of R. Dutrows book?!
    If this pans out the way it should, perhaps other trainers will take notice and perhaps, so will the Owners.  10 Years is a lifetime in the industry and you know what, that means Millions of $$$ in that trainers pocket and that trickles on down to all the grooms,exercise riders etc…  Shouldn’t the Owners be penalized as well?  I mean, they hopefully get a Vet bill every month and have to look it over to see what the charges are for, right?  Oh, wait, alot of Owners are at fault too…  “Some” won’t mention names, just look at the horses as a commodity and a cash cow, not a living, breathing, feeling, character of an animal…  My bad!
    Ray thank you for the great updates on these cases/hearings.  Let’s see what happens in the very near future.  Hope it will be a positive outcome for the sport and the horses.

    • DinkyDiva

      BTW..  If you have been raised on a Horse Farm, you learn early how to give injections.  Yeah, at first, inter-muscular but, after working years on a Training facility, I became the go to girl for inter-venious injections.  If I can learn it, so can anyone else.  So for them to say, I didn’t do it, that’s crap too.  All of this is crap!
      I also know, this has nothing to do with R.Dutrow but, he needs to just go away and take his punishment like a Man!!!

      • outofthebox

        If Aguilar and Charles testified by oath that they didn’t give the injections, than how on earth did they have the syringes to turn over to the authorities? Vets do not hand over syringes after they inject horses. They place the syringe and needle in a container in their vehicle. Now whether they gave the trainers the shot to give them selves i have no idea..Lots of lying going on for sure…

        • Convene

           Yup!

  • DinkyDiva

    Well, it’s a start.  How do you not Know what the Vets are injecting your horses with?  Let’s see how many of these “cheats” ummm, trainers took a page or two out of R. Dutrows book?!
    If this pans out the way it should, perhaps other trainers will take notice and perhaps, so will the Owners.  10 Years is a lifetime in the industry and you know what, that means Millions of $$$ in that trainers pocket and that trickles on down to all the grooms,exercise riders etc…  Shouldn’t the Owners be penalized as well?  I mean, they hopefully get a Vet bill every month and have to look it over to see what the charges are for, right?  Oh, wait, alot of Owners are at fault too…  “Some” won’t mention names, just look at the horses as a commodity and a cash cow, not a living, breathing, feeling, character of an animal…  My bad!
    Ray thank you for the great updates on these cases/hearings.  Let’s see what happens in the very near future.  Hope it will be a positive outcome for the sport and the horses.

  • Barry Irwin

    Not only are there trainers and staff able to administer injections, there is even one trainer that does throat operations in his stalls. Also, I would say that vets sometimes are as surprised as investigators when a horse in their care test positive for a drug that they don’t even have in their possession.

  • DinkyDiva

    BTW..  If you have been raised on a Horse Farm, you learn early how to give injections.  Yeah, at first, inter-muscular but, after working years on a Training facility, I became the go to girl for inter-venious injections.  If I can learn it, so can anyone else.  So for them to say, I didn’t do it, that’s crap too.  All of this is crap!
    I also know, this has nothing to do with R.Dutrow but, he needs to just go away and take his punishment like a Man!!!

  • ellie

    what about reed and bassit what did they get,the new mexico trainers. when does john bassit go up for hes hearing or has he

    • AngelaFromAbilene

      New Mexico gave Bassett 10 years and a $10,000.00 fine last Saturday.  However, Texas has yet to honor New Mexico’s ruling as Thursday, 9/27/12 Bassett run the 2 horse in the 2nd race at Lone Star and won.  Reed’s hearing in New Mexico was supposed to be this week, but he did have 4 horses enter at Will Rogers on Oklahoma on 9/28 in the 1st, 3rd and 2 in the 10th. 

      • wonder

        what happened to all the cases in Oklahma?

  • ellie

    what about reed and bassit what did they get,the new mexico trainers. when does john bassit go up for hes hearing or has he

  • DinkyDiva

    Mr. Irwin…  It’s so nice to have you hanging out on the Paulic Report.  And, what you said is so true.  I made a reference to that above.

  • ellie

    what the hell thats nuts.maybe vets should come down a little on thier billing and wouldn’t make trainers even think of doing stuff like that,not saying its right or that i understand him doing that, but just saying these vets bills are way out of hand, they need to be watched on what they bill and put a limit to what they can bill for on services,makes a trainer come up with these kind of things. LIMIT THEM SOME, YOU CAN’T SAY THEY ARN’T MAKING A GOOD LIVEN.coming  from someone that has had to pay some of thier way to high of bills. makes it hard for a small man ranning horses right no drugs, no hopping and blocking just honest running, makes him have to leave the one thing he truely loves horses.

  • ellie

    vets well do what ever it takes to make money, seen it first hand.

  • ellie

    i agree vet should be checked like everyone going throw those gates how do you think some of those drugs get back there,just saying

  • ellie

    thank god some one that think like i do. owned a horse and didnt run him until end of 3 still young but had every thing xrayed before putting him on track to make sure he was ready.

  • ellie

    so very true they strat working on the next drug before this on got known

  • outofthebox

    If Aguilar and Charles testified by oath that they didn’t give the injections, than how on earth did they have the syringes to turn over to the authorities? Vets do not hand over syringes after they inject horses. They place the syringe and needle in a container in their vehicle. Now whether they gave the trainers the shot to give them selves i have no idea..Lots of lying going on for sure…

  • Blind,deaf,but not dumb!

    Lock up the bastards and save racing ,this is RACE FIXING = Prison!!! I don’t buy their arguments reuarding a right to make a living ,what about all the honest trainers trying to make a living it’s a slap in the face . 

    • http://Bellwether4u.com James Staples

      n the near future they are going to put their asses in jail…believe that…& TY…

  • Blind,deaf,but not dumb!

    Lock up the bastards and save racing ,this is RACE FIXING = Prison!!! I don’t buy their arguments reuarding a right to make a living ,what about all the honest trainers trying to make a living it’s a slap in the face . 

  • Lou Baranello

    The Louisiana Commission has taken a significant step forward by finally making the punishment equal to the crime.  The icing on the cake would consist of federal or state prosecutions.

  • Lou Baranello

    The Louisiana Commission has taken a significant step forward by finally making the punishment equal to the crime.  The icing on the cake would consist of federal or state prosecutions.

  • blind,deaf,but not dumb

    These trainers are a danger to the industry, picture your doctor operating on you using his little head instead of his big one.They need a dishonorable discharge ! and some time away from friends and family = no parole !! they can use the time to get their heads in the right place  They are bullies at the track lets see if they will be bullies behind bars!!!

  • blind,deaf,but not dumb

    These trainers are a danger to the industry, picture your doctor operating on you using his little head instead of his big one.They need a dishonorable discharge ! and some time away from friends and family = no parole !! they can use the time to get their heads in the right place  They are bullies at the track lets see if they will be bullies behind bars!!!

  • Maureen Tierney

    There is no point in checking vets vans.  I don’t suppose they label the bottle Frog Juice.  And trainers are perfectly capable of bringing injectables onto track grounds.  If people are cheating do you think they care about rules?

  • http://Bellwether4u.com James Staples

    ITS ABOUT TIME…U THINK???…TB RACINGS CHEATERS/REPETERS NEXT…FROM THE BOTTOM ON DOWN…BACK…BACK… BACK!!!…TY PR…

  • http://Bellwether4u.com James Staples

    ITS ABOUT TIME…U THINK???…TB RACINGS CHEATERS/REPETERS NEXT…FROM THE BOTTOM ON DOWN…BACK…BACK… BACK!!!…TY PR…

  • http://Bellwether4u.com James Staples

    HELL YES!!!…ty…

  • http://Bellwether4u.com James Staples

    n the near future they are going to put their asses in jail…believe that…& TY…

  • Thunderrun

    I don’t believe they should be allowed to appeal. They did it, they got caught, they should go to jail. 

  • Thunderrun

    I don’t believe they should be allowed to appeal. They did it, they got caught, they should go to jail. 

  • AngelaFromAbilene

    New Mexico gave Bassett 10 years and a $10,000.00 fine last Saturday.  However, Texas has yet to honor New Mexico’s ruling as Thursday, 9/27/12 Bassett run the 2 horse in the 2nd race at Lone Star and won.  Reed’s hearing in New Mexico was supposed to be this week, but he did have 4 horses enter at Will Rogers on Oklahoma on 9/28 in the 1st, 3rd and 2 in the 10th. 

  • wonder

    what happened to all the cases in Oklahma?

  • Abbers

     Throat operations??? What kind of operations?

  • Convene

     That’s what I was gonna post too! Handing down suspensions is one thing but hey – if you appeal, you can go on training for a year … two years … whatever! And y’all know to whom I refer.

  • Convene

     Yup!

  • Convene

     Now THAT’s one h–l of a scary thought!

  • Tbhorseman

    Did Dr Hebert testify?

  • Tbhorseman

    Did Dr Hebert testify?

  • racefan

    vets monitored?  does trainer responsibility mean anything, don’t think there is any vet in the country that would give something without the trainer’s consent, if the vet gave it at all

  • Gradylikes

    I think they might have a bigger fish to fry.

  • Erampolla

    Heath Taylor in particular should be ashamed of himself.  Apparently its not enough that he gets the most horses, AND he gets the most expensive yearlings… even with those built in advantages, he still feels the need to cheat.

    But I’m sure they won’t lose any owners, and Heath will continue to actively train the horses from his ranch, and it will be business as usual except the horses will run under his wife’s name.

    • Chucky

      Kind of makes you wonder now if the caffeine test he got, and was subsequently overturned, when he won the All American was in fact a for sure bad test.

  • Erampolla

    Heath Taylor in particular should be ashamed of himself.  Apparently its not enough that he gets the most horses, AND he gets the most expensive yearlings… even with those built in advantages, he still feels the need to cheat.

    But I’m sure they won’t lose any owners, and Heath will continue to actively train the horses from his ranch, and it will be business as usual except the horses will run under his wife’s name.

  • Chucky

    Kind of makes you wonder now if the caffeine test he got, and was subsequently overturned, when he won the All American was in fact a for sure bad test.

  • Sevencentsstable

    Wellllll, there is one vet who would, or at least did once. I had a vet I had recently hired come out of  filly’s stall and tell me “Ya know, I put a little block in those knees for you. I won’t charge the owners for it because you didn’t tell me to, but I think it will help ya.” When I recovered my voice from the shock I calmly told him “While I know that is common practice out here, and you thought you were being nice, I DO NOT block horses’ legs. EVER. I will scratch her and do not ever do that again.” I didn’t fire him, there weren’t any others around I could stand. He appologized. He never went into one of my stalls without myself or my 2nd in command again, not even with a groom. We go aong fne after that.

    Another outfit had several vets and one of my NO Lasix horses got Lasix (I had run to change because the vet wasn’t supposed to there). Another time 2 of their vets each gave a horse Lasix for the same race 15 minutes apart (we later realized what had happened, I was in the paddock w/ another horse). I had fired that outfit when I picked up the guy above.

    So, sometimes things can happen. But not 11 times with 3 or 4 different vet outfits in a 2 week span!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/WYNDAVFLIPBGNU6UKJZKFMTB3I mike lagrossa

    It’s about time they got a vet.  I’ve always thought the trainers weren’t smart enough to find the illegal drugs. Everytime a new drug comes around, a vet is probably involved. Hopefully they’ll start cracking down on vets also.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/WYNDAVFLIPBGNU6UKJZKFMTB3I mike lagrossa

    It’s about time they got a vet.  I’ve always thought the trainers weren’t smart enough to find the illegal drugs. Everytime a new drug comes around, a vet is probably involved. Hopefully they’ll start cracking down on vets also.

  • Kbg11

    vets, you can order it online, please

  • Kbg11

    no kidding, its th trainer ultimately, if they started fining the horse for the season, owners, might think twice who trains for them, nope they just move to another trainer when their trainer gets fined

  • ellie

    just saying i worked for a trainer that got hes bad drugs from a vet, even seen them almost kill a horse trying some of these bad drugs to see how the horse would,the bad thing is the horse didn’t need it the horse was fast on hes own, i was so upset,needless to say i no longer work there.

  • Beachy

    I would imagine Mr. Irwin is speaking of “scoping” or someone being able to “trach” a horse. 

    Here’s an issue, too–unless a trainer has taken an equine veterinary tech course, he/she still has to be taught to do the stuff he/she may be doing.  And any vet who is teaching people how to do things they are technically not qualified to do is either not too bright or trusts others with knowledge they possibly should not be entrusted with. 

  • Jayne

     Thats really disturbing to think a trainer is performing throat operations at the track.  Shouldn’t this trainer be reported somehow, somewhere.  Obviously someone has observed this happening.  I can’t imagine the risk of infection present at the track with all the dust etc.  Although I do seem to remember hearing about a prominent trainer that, for some reason, would automatically nick one of the muscles in the throat of a newly claimed horse.  I thought it was just gossip

  • Maureen Tierney

    I agree with you – it’s bad.  It’s Ugly.  And it’s human nature at it’s worst. Animal abuse, cheating, criminal acts . . .   The racetrack is not a nice place.  Things need to change.

  • Tbhorseman

    There is a very simple procedure where they cut a muscle or two in the neck that I am sure some idiot has done themselves.  The hole they cut in the neck to do it is only 2 inches long and is left open for draining.  I have had vets do this for me with good results.  I would imagine this is the procedure they do themselves..

  • onlythebest

    In CA that can be jail time for practising veterinary medicine without a license.  Anything invasive is suspect as far as thetate goes. 

  • emeyers

    in my experience as a horse trainer no vet would give anything to a horse unless it is asked for period

  • emeyers

    in my experience as a horse trainer no vet would give anything to a horse unless it is asked for period

  • Easyhitch

    Not all racetrack veterinarians are like that. Some of us will not deal with any of the illegal drugs used on racehorses. Some of us still care about the horses.

  • Rgordonlex

    BIG DEAL!  So the LSRC did its job.  They held a hearing and issued appropriate fines and suspensions.  BUT, this doesn’t fix the problem.  So you ask what will?  3 Simple yet drastic measures.
    1.  Adopt a drug classification policy that properly classifies drugs, i.e.,, class 1 drugs should include all drugs that have no legitimate theraputic value in a horse including all opiates, amphetamines, etc.,, class 2 drugs ….. class 3 drugs…..class 4 drugs

     2. Adopt a fine/suspension rule with real teeth AND that applies to the TRAINER, OWNER and HORSE, i.e.,, class 1 drug violations get automatic life time suspensions; class 2 violations have a 2 strikes and your out rule; class 3 and class 4 violations have a 3 strikes and your out rule.

    3. Require all trainers to be bonded and insured whereby innocent owners will have a source of funds to collect from if they are succesful in their lawsuit against the trainer and vet. for using illegal drugs.

    Under the current system when a trainer gets caught and suspended he simply moves his horses into another trainer’s name and nothing much else changes.  You start suspending horses and owners and this sht will stop.

     

    • Maureen Tierney

      Here’s a thought.  It makes little impact to complain on this forum.  I think everyone who wants cleaner racing should write a letter stating just what Rgordonlex states above, or whatever solution you want, and send it to their state racing commission – and most important, cc the Governor.  The racing commission can just toss your letter in the trash, but if the Governor gets a copy, then they have to acknowledge people are writing.

      Inexpensive, no need to drive, and could possibly make a huge difference.  I think we should do it.

      I for one am going to.

      • Rgordonlex

        Maureen Tierney, You are so right to suggest we all write our respective state racing commissioners, state representatives for the district that we each live in, our govenors and our U.S. senators.  If anyone wants to help start a grass-roots campaign letter writing initiative please let me know.

    • BB12

      You are so right, nothing changes for these guys! How is it that a new trainer cant get stalls at the track and when these guys get caught get there spouses or assistant trainer to get license they get the same barn and stalls that the bad test trainer had and the horses never move Huh! they should at least make it hard on them and not allow the bad test horses to run until everything is clear and it would step up this appeal process

  • Rgordonlex

    BIG DEAL!  So the LSRC did its job.  They held a hearing and issued appropriate fines and suspensions.  BUT, this doesn’t fix the problem.  So you ask what will?  3 Simple yet drastic measures.
    1.  Adopt a drug classification policy that properly classifies drugs, i.e.,, class 1 drugs should include all drugs that have no legitimate theraputic value in a horse including all opiates, amphetamines, etc.,, class 2 drugs ….. class 3 drugs…..class 4 drugs

     2. Adopt a fine/suspension rule with real teeth AND that applies to the TRAINER, OWNER and HORSE, i.e.,, class 1 drug violations get automatic life time suspensions; class 2 violations have a 2 strikes and your out rule; class 3 and class 4 violations have a 3 strikes and your out rule.

    3. Require all trainers to be bonded and insured whereby innocent owners will have a source of funds to collect from if they are succesful in their lawsuit against the trainer and vet. for using illegal drugs.

    Under the current system when a trainer gets caught and suspended he simply moves his horses into another trainer’s name and nothing much else changes.  You start suspending horses and owners and this sht will stop.

     

  • Maureen Tierney

    Here’s a thought.  It makes little impact to complain on this forum.  I think everyone who wants cleaner racing should write a letter stating just what Rgordonlex states above, or whatever solution you want, and send it to their state racing commission – and most important, cc the Governor.  The racing commission can just toss your letter in the trash, but if the Governor gets a copy, then they have to acknowledge people are writing.

    Inexpensive, no need to drive, and could possibly make a huge difference.  I think we should do it.

    I for one am going to.

  • BB12

    You are so right, nothing changes for these guys! How is it that a new trainer cant get stalls at the track and when these guys get caught get there spouses or assistant trainer to get license they get the same barn and stalls that the bad test trainer had and the horses never move Huh! they should at least make it hard on them and not allow the bad test horses to run until everything is clear and it would step up this appeal process

  • Rgordonlex

    Maureen Tierney, You are so right to suggest we all write our respective state racing commissioners, state representatives for the district that we each live in, our govenors and our U.S. senators.  If anyone wants to help start a grass-roots campaign letter writing initiative please let me know.

  • mac

    Imagine that, none of these guys know how this got into their horses.  Just my opinion but kind of taints All American win and Stolis Winner because of the bad test that got brushed under the carpet then.  Don’t know if that may have had anything to do w/being owned by past AQHA president?  I wonder when the AQHA is going to step up and impose some penalties on these cheaters in addition to the various states where violations occur.

  • mac

    Imagine that, none of these guys know how this got into their horses.  Just my opinion but kind of taints All American win and Stolis Winner because of the bad test that got brushed under the carpet then.  Don’t know if that may have had anything to do w/being owned by past AQHA president?  I wonder when the AQHA is going to step up and impose some penalties on these cheaters in addition to the various states where violations occur.

  • oldschoolracingstables

    All the trainers are going to be gone soon, who will be left? Tracks are going to lose $$$, they will soon realize this. Its been like this since the beginning of the Seabiscuit days, evreyone is trying to win, just as humans ( L. Armstrong). Its part of life, just ive with it people and fun!

  • oldschoolracingstables

    All the trainers are going to be gone soon, who will be left? Tracks are going to lose $$$, they will soon realize this. Its been like this since the beginning of the Seabiscuit days, evreyone is trying to win, just as humans ( L. Armstrong). Its part of life, just ive with it people and fun!

  • Blah blah

    Such a joke to blame the vet and assist. Like the trainers don’t know what they are doing.( not saying the vet wasnt guilty) as a Former vet assit. The vet that I worked for and I were fingered for administrating drugs we didn’t even carry on our truck.. If your gonna do something illegal man up! It’s so sad there is no such thing as honest racing anymore & your quarter horse trainers are the worst for that and I speak from experience having worked for both thoroughbred & quarter..they all got what they deserved in my opinion

  • Blah blah

    Such a joke to blame the vet and assist. Like the trainers don’t know what they are doing.( not saying the vet wasnt guilty) as a Former vet assit. The vet that I worked for and I were fingered for administrating drugs we didn’t even carry on our truck.. If your gonna do something illegal man up! It’s so sad there is no such thing as honest racing anymore & your quarter horse trainers are the worst for that and I speak from experience having worked for both thoroughbred & quarter..they all got what they deserved in my opinion

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