Hearing officer: Dutrow acts ‘corrupt even in the olden days of the wild west’

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It may be a moot point, now that trainer Rick Dutrow has begun serving a 10-year suspension given him by New York racing officials, but an administrative hearing officer in Kentucky has recommended the state’s Horse Racing Commission issue a final order affirming its 2011 ruling that the controversial horseman be denied a trainer’s license.

Dutrow, 53, was ordered to appear before the Kentucky Horse Racing Commission’s License Review Committee on April 13, 2011, after applying for his Kentucky trainer’s license. The committee rejected his application, citing numerous reasons for its denial, including admissions by Dutrow during the hearing that he had falsified previous license applications, falsely identified horses for the purposes of workouts in other states, and ran horses in the names of other trainers and continued to bill owners while on suspension.

“Some of these acts would have been noteworthy as corrupt even in the olden days of the wild west, and cannot have any allowed place in any modern racing jurisdiction,” hearing officer Robert Layton wrote in a decision released Monday.

Dutrow appealed the racing commission’s rejection of his license application, and a hearing was conducted on Sept. 17, 2012. Dutrow did not appear before the hearing officer and his attorney called no witnesses. 

“Dutrow has failed to present any proof in support of his appeal for any of the multiple bases for his license denial,” Layton wrote in his 28 page ruling. “In fact, the proof is that Dutrow does not factually contest any of the bases, but asserts the Commission shouldn’t be able to use those to deny his license.”

Dutrow’s attorney, Adam Spease, said the Commission was wrong in denying the license because it relied on “information which it ignored for years as a pretextual reason to deny” the application.

One of the horses Dutrow admitted to the License Review Committee that he trained while under suspension and running in the name of Robert Frankel, the late Hall of Fame horseman, was Mr. and Mrs. William K. Warren Jr.’s Saint Liam, winner of the 2005 Stephen Foster Handicap, a Grade 1 race at Churchill Downs.  Another is Daniel Borislow, Sanford Goldfarb and partners’ Wild Desert, who during the same 60-day suspension won Canada’s most famous horse race, the Queen’s Plate, as a Frankel entry while being trained by Dutrow. 

In fact, Dutrow falsified the horse’s identity to stable him at Aqueduct and violate an order from the New York Racing Association. He then attributed a workout  at Monmouth Park to a horse he falsely identified as Wild Desert, while the real Wild Desert was training under an assumed name at Aqueduct.

In his appearance before the Kentucky License Review Committee, Dutrow  “blithely justified his deceptive conduct as necessary and appropriate,” Layton wrote.

“I mean, I needed to get (Wild Desert) to Aqueduct to get the horse right,” Dutrow told the committee. “That’s where my help is. That’s where we do our work.

“’But if I didn’t bring (Wild Desert) into Aqueduct, I couldn’t –  I couldn’t get the horse right anywhere else by Aqueduct racetrack. That’s where my – my blacksmith works. That’s where my vet works. That’s where I work.”

Layton  wrote that these incidents were “among the more potentially destructive to the honesty and reputation of the industry, including the stunning admissions by Dutrow that he not only continued to train Wild Desert while under suspension, but that he fraudulently had a fake workout for Wild Desert entered during that time.”

The hearing officer also noted that Dutrow failed to show any remorse when his license application was rejected in 2011. 

“Upon hearing the Committee’s decision to deny his license application,” Layton noted, “Dutrow stated that, if he had known it would be denied, he would have taken further efforts to hide his training by entering his current horses in another trainer’s name.”

Dutrow was suspended 10 years by the New York State Racing and Wagering Board in October 2011 in recognition of his lengthy list of rules violations – 64 in total – but it was not until recently that the ban took effect while attorneys for the trainer mounted legal challenges that ultimately failed.

Click here to read the hearing officer’s findings of fact, conclusions of law, and recommended order to the Kentucky Horse Racing Commission.

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  • Tinky

    “Upon hearing the Committee’s decision to deny his license application,” Layton noted, “Dutrow stated that, if he had known it would be denied, he would have taken further efforts to hide his training by entering his current horses in another trainer’s name.”

    Wow. While reasonable arguments have been made about the punishment being too harsh for the crime(s), Dutrow may well be one of the most breathtakingly non-repentant criminals alive. Most have enough sense to feign contrition, at the very least. 

    Hard to muster any sympathy.

  • Tinky

    “Upon hearing the Committee’s decision to deny his license application,” Layton noted, “Dutrow stated that, if he had known it would be denied, he would have taken further efforts to hide his training by entering his current horses in another trainer’s name.”

    Wow. While reasonable arguments have been made about the punishment being too harsh for the crime(s), Dutrow may well be one of the most breathtakingly non-repentant criminals alive. Most have enough sense to feign contrition, at the very least. 

    Hard to muster any sympathy.

  • Justmyopinion

    It may be a mute point.

    It is.

    The guy is out.

    Enough said.

    • 66puppies

       Not a mute point. In fact, a very LOUD point, delivered by his own mouth.

    • nu-fan

      Justmyopinion:  But, that might be the problem.  If there are others like Dutrow out there, isn’t it worrisome that some may say “problem solved and no need to continue discussing this and looking at others in the racing industry”? 

  • Justmyopinion

    It may be a mute point.

    It is.

    The guy is out.

    Enough said.

  • http://www.facebook.com/william.norton.5264 William Norton

    My enduring image of this complete POS is post Big Brown’s Belmont when this waxed Lucifer’s shirt was melting–soaked to his adipose–in the hot sunshine of his venality.

    • Tinky

      Actually, what I found most interesting was that he (Dutrow) was washed out before the race, and appeared beaten already.

    • Cheri Vaughan

      NICE use of vocabulary, evoking imagery. I’m writing this one down!

      • Don Reed

        Agreed! Wish I could see more of this in the books that look promising and fall short.

    • Bonniemcdo

      Please do not hate the horse for the evil of the humans. They have no say.

  • http://www.facebook.com/william.norton.5264 William Norton

    My enduring image of this complete POS is post Big Brown’s Belmont when this waxed Lucifer’s shirt was melting–soaked to his adipose–in the hot sunshine of his venality.

  • Glass Houses

    The entire industry lives “noteworthy as corrupt even in the olden days  of the  wild west”.  I have seen horses run in other trainer’s names, other owner’s, giving false name for works, racing office page for works for horses in that day, and numerous other rule violations tens of thousands of times.  The commissions and racing offices not only encourage this type of behavior, but demand it in the name of filling races.

    What a bunch of hypocrites through stones at glass houses.

    • LG

       Very true, Dutrow’s main problem here is that he can’t keep his mouth shut. Not defending the man, but everything listed in this article goes on every day.

      • Lou Baranello, Former Steward

        LG, You are absolutely correct and the reason lies in the very lax regulation we see performed by stewards and racing commissions.  They avoid investigating any alleged wrongdoing until they are pressured to do so.  A sad state of affairs.  So long as politically appointed racing commissions remain the first step in the appeals process, this behavior will continue. 

        • nu-fan

          Lou:  I always enjoy reading your comments.  With your experience, what solution do you see to get regulations taken seriously by all stewards and racing commissions.  Is it by changing the way that they are appointed as you mentioned?  If so, what other means of doing so? 

    • clocker

      The way the laws are they make a liar out of you

  • Glass Houses

    The entire industry lives “noteworthy as corrupt even in the olden days  of the  wild west”.  I have seen horses run in other trainer’s names, other owner’s, giving false name for works, racing office page for works for horses in that day, and numerous other rule violations tens of thousands of times.  The commissions and racing offices not only encourage this type of behavior, but demand it in the name of filling races.

    What a bunch of hypocrites through stones at glass houses.

  • Tinky

    Actually, what I found most interesting was that he (Dutrow) was washed out before the race, and appeared beaten already.

  • http://Bellwether4u.com James Staples

    Put this to sleep…PLEASE…enough is enough!!!…ty…

    • Figless

      I disagree, this report provides clarity as to his arrogance, and refutes all Dutrow’s arguments that he is being persecuted, treated differently than others in the profession. Its not his “honesty” that got him in trouble, its is arrogance.

      Bobby Frankel was complicit in the above case, someone needs to note that he was no angel (arrogant and nasty to boot), was pretty much run out of NY in the early days, yet he goes to the HOF and has rescue farms named for him.

    • Kim Howell (Anita Xanax)

      Put NY to sleep…he’s done there. THIS barbarism coming out needs to be addressed openly, frequently and thoroughly. Where WAS Juddmonte during all of this? What was the late and much lamented Bobby Frankel during it? What other great names were falsified at one track while being “worked on” at Aqueduct under Despicable Dutrow’s VETS? I am almost physically sick. St. Liam was one of my favorites; how much did the VETS have to do with his success?? You raging SOB Despicable Dick!!

    • Don Reed

      James, if you have time, will you let me know how “edited by author” is technically possible on this 3rd-world Disqus system?  I try to clean things up before posting, but I don’t succeed from time to time; being able to fix typos etc. would be a great option. Thanks.

      • SteveG

        If you login, then post, the edit option is available.  If you simply post (without logging in) there is no edit option.

        • Don Reed

          Thanks.  Not a big deal, but why would non-loggers not require an occasional edit?

    • James Staples

      What I wanted to say was he should have been LOCKED UP!!!…Period…but I had a BF!!!…sorry bout that…ty…

  • http://Bellwether4u.com James Staples

    Put this to sleep…PLEASE…enough is enough!!!…ty…

  • Don Reed

    “Dutrow does not factually contest
    any of the bases, but asserts [that] the Commission shouldn’t be able to use
    those to deny his license.”

     

    That’s BALLS.

     

    The previous record holder, a bum at
    NBC in the 1980s, one weekend brought in waffles, butter, & a toaster oven.  Then he realized, “I forgot the syrup.”

     

    No problem.  He called downstairs to a huge diner-type
    restaurant that sent dozens of take-out orders a day upstairs to NBC offices &
    hungry employees.

     

    “Yeah.  This is Video Tape.  You just delivered our pancakes & you forgot
    the maple syrup.  Get it up here RIGHT
    NOW.”

     

    Syrup was upstairs in ten minutes flat.

     

    The bum has been dethroned.  Dutrow is now The Syrup King.

     

    Too bad the hearing officer – with Dutrow
    not bothering to show up for his appeal – didn’t call him to jerk him around a
    little, tell him that he forgot to deliver the syrup (facts that could exonerate
    Dutrow).

  • Don Reed

    “Dutrow does not factually contest
    any of the bases, but asserts [that] the Commission shouldn’t be able to use
    those to deny his license.”

     

    That’s BALLS.

     

    The previous record holder, a bum at
    NBC in the 1980s, one weekend brought in waffles, butter, & a toaster oven.  Then he realized, “I forgot the syrup.”

     

    No problem.  He called downstairs to a huge diner-type
    restaurant that sent dozens of take-out orders a day upstairs to NBC offices &
    hungry employees.

     

    “Yeah.  This is Video Tape.  You just delivered our pancakes & you forgot
    the maple syrup.  Get it up here RIGHT
    NOW.”

     

    Syrup was upstairs in ten minutes flat.

     

    The bum has been dethroned.  Dutrow is now The Syrup King.

     

    Too bad the hearing officer – with Dutrow
    not bothering to show up for his appeal – didn’t call him to jerk him around a
    little, tell him that he forgot to deliver the syrup (facts that could exonerate
    Dutrow).

  • Don Reed

    Never mind Churchill’s
    Derby Future Pools
    One-Three. 

     

    This year: Instead of
    advance betting on the horse on May 4, 2013, set up a pool where we can handicap
    what number position Dutrow will be, on the Trainer’s Earnings List (Equibase),
    on that date.

     

    He’s #64 now (Feb.
    5th) with final (!) annual earnings of $198,595. 

     

    Our job is to guess
    whether he’ll be ranked #272; #454; #709, etc. on Derby Day.

     

    Guaranteed payout; He
    won’t be on it next year.

     

    No direct hit,
    closest ranking number wins. 

  • Don Reed

    Never mind Churchill’s
    Derby Future Pools
    One-Three. 

     

    This year: Instead of
    advance betting on the horse on May 4, 2013, set up a pool where we can handicap
    what number position Dutrow will be, on the Trainer’s Earnings List (Equibase),
    on that date.

     

    He’s #64 now (Feb.
    5th) with final (!) annual earnings of $198,595. 

     

    Our job is to guess
    whether he’ll be ranked #272; #454; #709, etc. on Derby Day.

     

    Guaranteed payout; He
    won’t be on it next year.

     

    No direct hit,
    closest ranking number wins. 

  • LG

     Very true, Dutrow’s main problem here is that he can’t keep his mouth shut. Not defending the man, but everything listed in this article goes on every day.

  • Zenyatta2010

    Mr Dutrow was not honest, fit proved racing associations don’t protect themselves against dishonesty.Shame on them don’t they look silly?.

  • Zenyatta2010

    Mr Dutrow was not honest, fit proved racing associations don’t protect themselves against dishonesty.Shame on them don’t they look silly?.

  • Stacey Jo White

    The only crime Dutrow is guilty of is that he is brutally honest.

    • SteveG

      Curious.

      How is it honest to intentionally engage in deceptive behavior with regard to the now infamous Wild Desert situation?

      Or, do you mean that he was brutally honest by admitting to the scam after the fact…partially honest.  Without artifice in speech, if not deeds.

      The fact that others may have & do engage in deceptive practices has no bearing on Mr. Dutrow’s “honesty.”

      • Don Reed

        Exactly.  Where was the “brutally honest” Dutrow BEFORE he got into trouble?  I don’t remember the crybaby routine in motion before 2008 (at least to the extent that it became, afterwards).

    • Nucky Thompson

      Stacey, naive yes, childlike yes, unsophisticated yes , honest no.

    • Hossracergp

      True…..he admits to doing the same sort of things that almost everyone else does at one time or another. And, on the track the unwritten rules are slightly different than the written ones. People hate Dutrow because of his personality, and part of the reason they are glad he is gone is because now they think they can win more races. But I’m guessing that many are just bad trainers who can’t admit that they don’t know a tenth of what Dutrow knows about a horse.

      • Kim Howell (Anita Xanax)

        I am, frankly, only concerned about the “almost everyone”. It is by no means a worldwide problem, not an American problem…it is a select few who still believe they can break the law at will and get away with it. They continue because they DO break the law at will and get away with it. The REAL horsemen and women out there can sleep easily at night, knowing they did the best for their horses on that day that they could. I have no idea how the others do…

    • Marc

      That is an absurd statement given that Dutrow is known to have lied repeatedly, habitually, pathologically.

      Honesty is a quality normally associated with integrity and operating within the stricture of laws and regulations.

      Dutrow is DIShonest.

    • James Staples

      Yea…Like Lance Armstrong!!!…ha ha ha…

  • Stacey Jo White

    The only crime Dutrow is guilty of is that he is brutally honest.

  • Lou Baranello, Former Steward

    LG, You are absolutely correct and the reason lies in the very lax regulation we see performed by stewards and racing commissions.  They avoid investigating any alleged wrongdoing until they are pressured to do so.  A sad state of affairs.  So long as politically appointed racing commissions remain the first step in the appeals process, this behavior will continue. 

  • Figless

    I disagree, this report provides clarity as to his arrogance, and refutes all Dutrow’s arguments that he is being persecuted, treated differently than others in the profession. Its not his “honesty” that got him in trouble, its is arrogance.

    Bobby Frankel was complicit in the above case, someone needs to note that he was no angel (arrogant and nasty to boot), was pretty much run out of NY in the early days, yet he goes to the HOF and has rescue farms named for him.

  • Cheri Vaughan

    NICE use of vocabulary, evoking imagery. I’m writing this one down!

  • Cheri Vaughan

    Wow, that is all I can say. So many have excellent points. I am just glad the message is out that less sleaziness was tolerated this time. 

  • Cheri Vaughan

    Wow, that is all I can say. So many have excellent points. I am just glad the message is out that less sleaziness was tolerated this time. 

  • SteveG

    Curious.

    How is it honest to intentionally engage in deceptive behavior with regard to the now infamous Wild Desert situation?

    Or, do you mean that he was brutally honest by admitting to the scam after the fact…partially honest.  Without artifice in speech, if not deeds.

    The fact that others may have & do engage in deceptive practices has no bearing on Mr. Dutrow’s “honesty.”

  • CARTMAN

    AS A FORMER SMALL TIME OWNER AND MEMBER OF SEVERAL RACING PARTNERSHIPS,
    I ENJOYED OWNERSHIP AND RACING IN GENERAL.IT WASN’T TILL I WAS AUDITED BY THE IRS AND FOUND THAT A HORSE I PAID $18,000.00 FOR WAS SOLD TO MY TRAINER
    FOR $10,000.00 THIS IS OK AS PEOPLE HAVE TO MAKE A PROFIT TO STAY IN BUSINESS
    UNFORTUNATELY THE DEAL I MADE WITH THE TRAINER WAS THAT IF HE FINDS ME A HORSE I PAY HIM A 10% FINDERS FEE ON TOP OF THE PURCHASE PRICE..I PAID HIM AN ADDITIONAL $1800.00 ($19,800.00) HE ALLUDED AND STATED THE FACT THAT I WAS PURCHASING THE HORSE FROM A WELL KNOW HORSEMAN FROM KENTUCKY.WHEN IN FACT HE OWNED THE  HORSE. DOES THIS SOUND RIGHT…I TOOK THIS TO THE STEWARDS..THEY DID NOTHING…I AM OUT OF OWNING HORSES AND DEALING WITH
    UNREPUTABLE PEOPLE IF POSSIBLE .I AM GLAD FOR THE EXPERIENCE CAUSE IT TAUGHT ME A GREAT DEAL AS A YOUNG BUSINESSMAN..BUT FOR SURE DUTROW SHOULD BE PUNISHED FOR HIS MISDEEDS. PEOPLE LIKE HIM HAVE RUINED THE GAME. TAKE A LOOK AT THE RACING CROWD AT MOST TRACKS IT LOOKS LIKE A GERIATRIC WARD. I DONT’ SEE MANY YOUND PEOPLE. STORIES LIKE THE DUTROW SAGA KEEP PEOPLE AWAY,

    • Jack

      who was the trainer?

    • Nucky Thompson

      Cartman , sorry to hear of your experience. Don’t give up yet, just remember that for every dishonest trainer you encounter there are hundreds more out there. You got off lightly ! I agree with you that the crowd at most tracks looks like a scene from Cocoon but there are some tracks that are making an effort to attract a younger audience. Gulfstream Park, for example, where most weekends you will get stuck behind a traffic jam of baby strollers in the breezeway between the parade ring and the rail. Finally just one piece of racing advice that might help you make more friends in the business – try hitting the Caps Lock key on the left hand side of your keyboard :)

      • nu-fan

        Nucky:  Thank you for the suggestion about the Caps Lock key.  It’s a little hard to read all caps–and, it screams.  It’s a small deal but I’ve seen these all caps comments a bit too often and I’m glad that you pointed this out.  I also agree that I see a number of young people (probably UC Berkeley students) at Golden Gate Fields.  They are the ones in the stand watching the races and, usually, with a group of their friends. They don’t seem to go alone but as a social event.  That is great in that it promotes more to seeing racing, in person.  Go inside and I see more of the older generation.  But, I also notice that a lot of racing fall on days when most people are working.  That might be why the senior citizens are more visible.  They are free from a work schedule.

        • http://Bellwether4u.com James Staples

          He ought to SCREAM!!!…Live & let Live…

    • other small time horse owner

      Unfortunately there are a lot of shady characters and a lot of shady deals done behind close barn doors at the racetrack.  Its time to clean them up, best we can. The Stewards should have done something for you. I don’t like to drop names at a blog site, but maybe that would be your only alternative.  It might help the next small owner?

    • Bonniemcdo

      You can find very good trainers still. I have  two at Belmont and one in Ky. I also have a bloodstock agent and company I trust and finally have made a profit  . You only hear about the bad ones. 

    • nu-fan

      Cartman:  Regarding the “geriatric ward” at the races….  Perhaps, it depends on which racetrack.  I see a real mixed crowd at Golden Gate Fields–at least, in the stands.  But, plenty of younger, college-aged, fans along with young families and their kids in tow.  It’s a shame that someone in the racing industry took financial advantage of you but that happens in every walk of life. Always need to be vigilant when money is involved. That’s just life.

  • CARTMAN

    AS A FORMER SMALL TIME OWNER AND MEMBER OF SEVERAL RACING PARTNERSHIPS,
    I ENJOYED OWNERSHIP AND RACING IN GENERAL.IT WASN’T TILL I WAS AUDITED BY THE IRS AND FOUND THAT A HORSE I PAID $18,000.00 FOR WAS SOLD TO MY TRAINER
    FOR $10,000.00 THIS IS OK AS PEOPLE HAVE TO MAKE A PROFIT TO STAY IN BUSINESS
    UNFORTUNATELY THE DEAL I MADE WITH THE TRAINER WAS THAT IF HE FINDS ME A HORSE I PAY HIM A 10% FINDERS FEE ON TOP OF THE PURCHASE PRICE..I PAID HIM AN ADDITIONAL $1800.00 ($19,800.00) HE ALLUDED AND STATED THE FACT THAT I WAS PURCHASING THE HORSE FROM A WELL KNOW HORSEMAN FROM KENTUCKY.WHEN IN FACT HE OWNED THE  HORSE. DOES THIS SOUND RIGHT…I TOOK THIS TO THE STEWARDS..THEY DID NOTHING…I AM OUT OF OWNING HORSES AND DEALING WITH
    UNREPUTABLE PEOPLE IF POSSIBLE .I AM GLAD FOR THE EXPERIENCE CAUSE IT TAUGHT ME A GREAT DEAL AS A YOUNG BUSINESSMAN..BUT FOR SURE DUTROW SHOULD BE PUNISHED FOR HIS MISDEEDS. PEOPLE LIKE HIM HAVE RUINED THE GAME. TAKE A LOOK AT THE RACING CROWD AT MOST TRACKS IT LOOKS LIKE A GERIATRIC WARD. I DONT’ SEE MANY YOUND PEOPLE. STORIES LIKE THE DUTROW SAGA KEEP PEOPLE AWAY,

  • Nucky Thompson

    Any truth in the rumor that Juddmonte Farms have reserved the name Dutrow for their next potential superstar ?

  • Nucky Thompson

    Any truth in the rumor that Juddmonte Farms have reserved the name Dutrow for their next potential superstar ?

  • Helen Mallazzo

    Ok. Now that they have set an example of Dutrow,let’s “clean up” the rest of racing. There are a whole lot more dishonest horsemen to go after. This is just the beginning.

    • James Staples

      Hell Yes!!!…ty…

  • Helen Mallazzo

    Ok. Now that they have set an example of Dutrow,let’s “clean up” the rest of racing. There are a whole lot more dishonest horsemen to go after. This is just the beginning.

  • James Staples

    Funny that Frankel’s name keeps comes up in all this mess???…Makes one wonder about him too!!!…

    • jane

       I agree,  that was my first thought.  The corruption goes very deep apparently

    • Olebobbowers

      Lest we forget his association with the late Buddy Jacobson. Same acts took place between him and Buddy when Buddy was denied stalls at the N.Y. tracks. It was actually through that connection, Frankel took off! Hey, ya gotta get started somehow…just sayin…

      • Figless

        This was my earlier point.

  • James Staples

    Funny that Frankel’s name keeps comes up in all this mess???…Makes one wonder about him too!!!…

  • Jack

    who was the trainer?

  • Nucky Thompson

    Stacey, naive yes, childlike yes, unsophisticated yes , honest no.

  • jane

     I agree,  that was my first thought.  The corruption goes very deep apparently

  • Kim Howell (Anita Xanax)

    I am stunned. I shouldn’t be, but I still am. Robert Frankel. St. LIAM FOR GOD’S SAKE!! And Wild Desert, The Queen’s Plate CORRUPTED in his own words

    “I mean, I needed to get (Wild Desert) to Aqueduct to get the horse
    right,” Dutrow told the committee. “That’s where my help is. That’s
    where we do our work.

     

    “’But if I didn’t bring (Wild Desert) into Aqueduct, I couldn’t –  I
    couldn’t get the horse right anywhere else by Aqueduct racetrack. That’s
    where my – my blacksmith works. That’s where my vet works. That’s where
    I work.” 

    That’s where your VET WORKS????  You stupid, corrupt sonofa****. I cannot BELIEVE his arrogance!!! I should…but…

    • Hossracergp

      Wow…..it’s like you’ve just visited Oz and seen the wizard behind the curtain. In reality, the racetrack in general is not where you find the pillars of society. Maybe it’s time for a reality check……but then again maybe you can’t handle the truth?

  • Kim Howell (Anita Xanax)

    I am stunned. I shouldn’t be, but I still am. Robert Frankel. St. LIAM FOR GOD’S SAKE!! And Wild Desert, The Queen’s Plate CORRUPTED in his own words

    “I mean, I needed to get (Wild Desert) to Aqueduct to get the horse
    right,” Dutrow told the committee. “That’s where my help is. That’s
    where we do our work.

     

    “’But if I didn’t bring (Wild Desert) into Aqueduct, I couldn’t –  I
    couldn’t get the horse right anywhere else by Aqueduct racetrack. That’s
    where my – my blacksmith works. That’s where my vet works. That’s where
    I work.” 

    That’s where your VET WORKS????  You stupid, corrupt sonofa****. I cannot BELIEVE his arrogance!!! I should…but…

  • clocker

    If every trainer that gives a false workout gets suspended there will be no trainers

    • perplexed?

      Trainers vs. Bettors?……..protecting claimers?

    • Kim Howell (Anita Xanax)

       Let’s keep apples with apples…would you really care if in Wednesday’s 4th race, a $5k claimer at Anytrack, Anywhere the #3 horse had a fake work? Sorry for your $$$ on that day…but tell me any multimillion dollar racehorse in a million dollar+ race should EVER have a faked workout so they can be “worked on” by a “vet” in another COUNTRY???? Major difference, IMHO. As a handicapper I am absolutely concerned with every dollar invested in this industry. As a rabid fan, I am APPALLED…

      • 66puppies

         Yes, lets keep apple with apples. Cheating is cheating. Unless I completely misread you, your reply really worries me. So its ok for cheap trainers w. cheap horses at cheap tracks to follow a different set of rules?
        This, ladies and gentlemen, is one of the very things that is wrong in this industry. It’s just usually the other way around – in favor of the big guys.

        • Kim Howell (Anita Xanax)

          Misread totally. My comment was to the rather lackadasical “so what, it happens all the time” one above. I understand that, the outrage comes not that the “big boys” were caught but that such a mean spirited, low class act could be perpetrated in a G1 race.

      • Spa4Horses

         I can see why someone might believe this, but I feel the oftentimes sore / juiced low level claimers are in need of integrity and parity with horses at higher levels, for ethical reasons.

        And so are the regular Joes and Janes wagering on the card that day. 

        When a person places a bet, he /she has a right to the truth.

    • HP

       And if there were no false workouts there would be no races…

  • Kim Howell (Anita Xanax)

    Put NY to sleep…he’s done there. THIS barbarism coming out needs to be addressed openly, frequently and thoroughly. Where WAS Juddmonte during all of this? What was the late and much lamented Bobby Frankel during it? What other great names were falsified at one track while being “worked on” at Aqueduct under Despicable Dutrow’s VETS? I am almost physically sick. St. Liam was one of my favorites; how much did the VETS have to do with his success?? You raging SOB Despicable Dick!!

  • clocker

    If every trainer that gives a false workout gets suspended there will be no trainers

  • Bryan Langlois (ShelterDoc)

    The odd thing to me in all of this is him saying that he had to get Wild Desert to Aqueduct to get the horse right.  Ok…either the horse just excelled in training over that track, or there is no justification for that.  Stating that is where his vet and blacksmith are, I’m pretty sure he could have gotten them to come to another track to treat and shoe the horse.  Claiming he had to get the horse to Aqueduct to get him right says to me there was something about the backstretch there that allowed him to potentially get away with stuff he could not have at other jurisdictions.  Then again…only Rick knows the real reason.  The only shame in all of this is how the man actually had an amazing talent for looking at horses and seeing things.  He really could have been a good trainer if he stuck to the talents he was given…

    • Larry Ensor

      Stating that is where his vet and blacksmith are, I’m pretty sure he could have gotten them to come to another track to treat and shoe the horse.”

      Doc, your comments are generally pretty rational but not this one. No disrespect but you obviously have never dealt with a vets or farriers much if any. Maybe if the horse was Secretariat or Seattle Slew. Monmouth Park isn’t exactly around the block from Aqueduct. It can take 2 hours to get to Belmont which is only about 15 miles away if the Beltway is a parking lot. Which more time then not it is. I believe you are a small animal vet. When’s the last time you made a house call or any small animal vet? I may complain about my horse vet bills. But they do come to my farm at any given time night and day. And their fee is a fraction of what it cost me when I take a cat or dog to the vet for minor things.

      “Claiming he had to get the horse to Aqueduct to get him right says to me there was something about the backstretch there that allowed him to potentially get away with stuff he could not have at other jurisdictions.”
      Please. You should know better then to state this sort of nonsense. It serves no purpose

      • LongTimeEconomist

        Larry, a horse that valuable you could justify a helicopter to get the shoer over there. And how often did the horse need a vet?

        • Larry Ensor

          Fair enough. But I would like to believe you and others get the gist of my comment.

  • Bryan Langlois (ShelterDoc)

    The odd thing to me in all of this is him saying that he had to get Wild Desert to Aqueduct to get the horse right.  Ok…either the horse just excelled in training over that track, or there is no justification for that.  Stating that is where his vet and blacksmith are, I’m pretty sure he could have gotten them to come to another track to treat and shoe the horse.  Claiming he had to get the horse to Aqueduct to get him right says to me there was something about the backstretch there that allowed him to potentially get away with stuff he could not have at other jurisdictions.  Then again…only Rick knows the real reason.  The only shame in all of this is how the man actually had an amazing talent for looking at horses and seeing things.  He really could have been a good trainer if he stuck to the talents he was given…

  • clocker

    The way the laws are they make a liar out of you

  • Jd

    Rick Dutrow is gone for 10 years.  Who cares.  All of these articles simply crush the already dead roadkill.

    • Kim Howell (Anita Xanax)

       It’s NOT dead when it’s victims keep surfacing, kicking and screaming!!

  • Jd

    Rick Dutrow is gone for 10 years.  Who cares.  All of these articles simply crush the already dead roadkill.

  • Nucky Thompson

    Cartman , sorry to hear of your experience. Don’t give up yet, just remember that for every dishonest trainer you encounter there are hundreds more out there. You got off lightly ! I agree with you that the crowd at most tracks looks like a scene from Cocoon but there are some tracks that are making an effort to attract a younger audience. Gulfstream Park, for example, where most weekends you will get stuck behind a traffic jam of baby strollers in the breezeway between the parade ring and the rail. Finally just one piece of racing advice that might help you make more friends in the business – try hitting the Caps Lock key on the left hand side of your keyboard :)

  • perplexed?

    Trainers vs. Bettors?……..protecting claimers?

  • Hossracergp

    True…..he admits to doing the same sort of things that almost everyone else does at one time or another. And, on the track the unwritten rules are slightly different than the written ones. People hate Dutrow because of his personality, and part of the reason they are glad he is gone is because now they think they can win more races. But I’m guessing that many are just bad trainers who can’t admit that they don’t know a tenth of what Dutrow knows about a horse.

  • other small time horse owner

    Unfortunately there are a lot of shady characters and a lot of shady deals done behind close barn doors at the racetrack.  Its time to clean them up, best we can. The Stewards should have done something for you. I don’t like to drop names at a blog site, but maybe that would be your only alternative.  It might help the next small owner?

  • Foxfield

    Does anyone find it strange that no trainers have spoken up with regard to this case?  It’s exactly like doctors won’t speak out against other doctors and lawyers won’t chide other naughty lawyers.  Unfortunately, many are of the same ilk.  There is no level playing field in this sport…too many variables to prevent the bettors from actually knowing what’s going on and I suspect many owners don’t even know what their trainers are doing, simply because the more prominent syndicates want your money and not your input, however well educated.  The path to the winner’s circle is strewn with broken horses and corruption.  And yet, I love the sport with all of its frailties.  I have been searching for the answer to the cure but one cannot legislate morality…and therin lies the rub!  And by the way “Cartman”…I’m one of those geriatrics you see at the track!  I’d hate to see where racing would be without us!  But, still you make a good point. 

    • Kim Howell (Anita Xanax)

       I respect your opinion, Foxfield. Well thought out and presented as always. My only debate is, how can owners NOT know what’s going on? Why should a healthy, racing fit horse have a major vet bill before a race? They pay the bills, they know what’s happening. I am well aware of “padded” bills, they are rampant in every aspect of horses where a trainer is involved,  but any owner eventually learns to read between the lines on their monthly statement and hopefully ask questions…

      • Foxfield

        You make several good points Kim…these kinds of things also happen in the hunter/jumper world and I suspect, perhaps in Dressage as well.  Although I would hope on a lesser scale.  I bevlieve that many of the folks who become partners in syndicates may not always be astute horsemen/women, perhaps at the lower levels of racing, might not know to question additional monthly charges or perhaps cannot even formulate a question.  Many are in the game for the excitement and entertainment, which is a good thing.  I was invited to become a partner in a low level runner on the West Coast, but eventually opted out myself when it became clear the present owner did not want any questions raised regarding training.  True, owners at higher levels of racing should be intelligent enough to question, however, questions are either discouraged or ignored.  Additionally, many partners view trainers like doctors….trainers are “supposed” to “know” what they are doing so one doesn’t ask questions or challenge them.  In any event, there definitely is something lost in the translation between bettors,trainers, vets, owners, stewards, and track management.  I am ambivalent toward the sport, but keep returning…perhaps I’m  the one “off the track”!

        • Kim Howell (Anita Xanax)

          No, Foxfield. We love the game, and we keep hoping and praying it will survive. We see through a horse(wo)man’s eyes, through a handicapper’s eyes, through a fan’s eyes. All we can see is the sport we love, the horses we love, fading into obscurity and public disdain because of the actions of a despicable few. There are still MANY trainers (I won’t name names, I know too many to risk leaving one out) who still believe in hay, oats, water and TRAINING, which includes REST and RELAXATION. We hope and pray they come to the forefront and that the pressure from the rest of the racing world finally come to bear. If we can hang on, stay active, vocal and involved, the sport we love might just survive…

          • Foxfield

            Amen……I know there are good ones out there.  They must also be frustrated at doing things correctly and having to continuously “buck the tide” and have the sport denegraded through no fault of their own.

      • Bonniemcdo

        You are right. how can owners NOT know. My husband (and MD) and me (an RN) own horses. I run our small stable and in the past 4 years have poured over vet bills. Every medication I look up and then ask the trainer. Every treatment I look up and study and ask the trainer. I have read up on injuries and other issues in horses like tying up in fillies and the use of Ace. Owners need to ask. Any vet bill that inches too high we ask and then the horse can take a time out on the track or at a farm-depends on the problem. I have no superstars-but they have won and with honest trainers and good  advice from my bloodstock agents I have made a small profit so the IRS can leave me alone. But I was so sickened by what has happened in the last year I just sold a nice 3 yo to someone in Ky. Will run my homebreds for now but I agree-this issue has soured many people.

      • nu-fan

        Kim:  “…how can owners NOT know what’s going on? ”  Also, isn’t it their responsibility to find out what is going on with those that they hire?  Can’t hide behind the “gee, I didn’t know….”  It’s their business to know.

    • Don Reed

      Fox, there were numerous trainers who were quoted as saying that they were sorry Dutrow was getting tossed (Ward being the best example.  Not one was quoted as saying anything derogatory about him, to my knowledge).

      Look, it doesn’t pay to be quoted (either way) as a trainer.  There’s no reward for being candid and there’s everything to lose.  It’s amazing that we’re even provided with their actual names, come to think of it.

  • Foxfield

    Does anyone find it strange that no trainers have spoken up with regard to this case?  It’s exactly like doctors won’t speak out against other doctors and lawyers won’t chide other naughty lawyers.  Unfortunately, many are of the same ilk.  There is no level playing field in this sport…too many variables to prevent the bettors from actually knowing what’s going on and I suspect many owners don’t even know what their trainers are doing, simply because the more prominent syndicates want your money and not your input, however well educated.  The path to the winner’s circle is strewn with broken horses and corruption.  And yet, I love the sport with all of its frailties.  I have been searching for the answer to the cure but one cannot legislate morality…and therin lies the rub!  And by the way “Cartman”…I’m one of those geriatrics you see at the track!  I’d hate to see where racing would be without us!  But, still you make a good point. 

  • 66puppies

     Not a mute point. In fact, a very LOUD point, delivered by his own mouth.

  • Kim Howell (Anita Xanax)

     Let’s keep apples with apples…would you really care if in Wednesday’s 4th race, a $5k claimer at Anytrack, Anywhere the #3 horse had a fake work? Sorry for your $$$ on that day…but tell me any multimillion dollar racehorse in a million dollar+ race should EVER have a faked workout so they can be “worked on” by a “vet” in another COUNTRY???? Major difference, IMHO. As a handicapper I am absolutely concerned with every dollar invested in this industry. As a rabid fan, I am APPALLED…

  • david rose

    GOOD RIDDANCE!!!!

  • david rose

    GOOD RIDDANCE!!!!

  • Kim Howell (Anita Xanax)

     I respect your opinion, Foxfield. Well thought out and presented as always. My only debate is, how can owners NOT know what’s going on? Why should a healthy, racing fit horse have a major vet bill before a race? They pay the bills, they know what’s happening. I am well aware of “padded” bills, they are rampant in every aspect of horses where a trainer is involved,  but any owner eventually learns to read between the lines on their monthly statement and hopefully ask questions…

  • Kim Howell (Anita Xanax)

     It’s NOT dead when it’s victims keep surfacing, kicking and screaming!!

  • Thomalene E.

    I keep hearing a rumor at Belmont that the new gaming commission is going to re-instate him???  Anyone hear that?

    • Kim Howell (Anita Xanax)

       Not bloody likely. They have enough hanging over their heads. I’ll wait to hear an official opinion on that.

      • Thomalene E.

        I sure hope its not true……But I wouldnt put it past NY…. corrupt, corrupt, place.

    • Don Reed

      Zero possibility.

      • Don Reed

        Added, that would put NYRA in the position of arguing in court that Heyward and Co. don’t deserve severance pay – at the same time that they’re giving the finger to the organization who tossed out a corrupt NYRA trainer.

        Stranger things HAVE happened, but this isn’t going to. 

  • Thomalene E.

    I keep hearing a rumor at Belmont that the new gaming commission is going to re-instate him???  Anyone hear that?

  • Meyer1127

    Well maybe this can be the beginning of getting their house in order.Just because everybode else is doing it does not mean it is OK.Perhaps now the EVERYBODY ELSES will get their just rewards also.
    Start at the top and bottom and squeeze the middle till the corruption runs out.

  • Meyer1127

    Well maybe this can be the beginning of getting their house in order.Just because everybode else is doing it does not mean it is OK.Perhaps now the EVERYBODY ELSES will get their just rewards also.
    Start at the top and bottom and squeeze the middle till the corruption runs out.

  • Kim Howell (Anita Xanax)

     Not bloody likely. They have enough hanging over their heads. I’ll wait to hear an official opinion on that.

  • Foxfield

    You make several good points Kim…these kinds of things also happen in the hunter/jumper world and I suspect, perhaps in Dressage as well.  Although I would hope on a lesser scale.  I bevlieve that many of the folks who become partners in syndicates may not always be astute horsemen/women, perhaps at the lower levels of racing, might not know to question additional monthly charges or perhaps cannot even formulate a question.  Many are in the game for the excitement and entertainment, which is a good thing.  I was invited to become a partner in a low level runner on the West Coast, but eventually opted out myself when it became clear the present owner did not want any questions raised regarding training.  True, owners at higher levels of racing should be intelligent enough to question, however, questions are either discouraged or ignored.  Additionally, many partners view trainers like doctors….trainers are “supposed” to “know” what they are doing so one doesn’t ask questions or challenge them.  In any event, there definitely is something lost in the translation between bettors,trainers, vets, owners, stewards, and track management.  I am ambivalent toward the sport, but keep returning…perhaps I’m  the one “off the track”!

  • Thomalene E.

    I sure hope its not true……But I wouldnt put it past NY…. corrupt, corrupt, place.

  • Kim Howell (Anita Xanax)

    No, Foxfield. We love the game, and we keep hoping and praying it will survive. We see through a horse(wo)man’s eyes, through a handicapper’s eyes, through a fan’s eyes. All we can see is the sport we love, the horses we love, fading into obscurity and public disdain because of the actions of a despicable few. There are still MANY trainers (I won’t name names, I know too many to risk leaving one out) who still believe in hay, oats, water and TRAINING, which includes REST and RELAXATION. We hope and pray they come to the forefront and that the pressure from the rest of the racing world finally come to bear. If we can hang on, stay active, vocal and involved, the sport we love might just survive…

  • Bonniemcdo

    Please do not hate the horse for the evil of the humans. They have no say.

  • Bonniemcdo

    You can find very good trainers still. I have  two at Belmont and one in Ky. I also have a bloodstock agent and company I trust and finally have made a profit  . You only hear about the bad ones. 

  • Bonniemcdo

    You are right. how can owners NOT know. My husband (and MD) and me (an RN) own horses. I run our small stable and in the past 4 years have poured over vet bills. Every medication I look up and then ask the trainer. Every treatment I look up and study and ask the trainer. I have read up on injuries and other issues in horses like tying up in fillies and the use of Ace. Owners need to ask. Any vet bill that inches too high we ask and then the horse can take a time out on the track or at a farm-depends on the problem. I have no superstars-but they have won and with honest trainers and good  advice from my bloodstock agents I have made a small profit so the IRS can leave me alone. But I was so sickened by what has happened in the last year I just sold a nice 3 yo to someone in Ky. Will run my homebreds for now but I agree-this issue has soured many people.

  • Kim Howell (Anita Xanax)

    I am, frankly, only concerned about the “almost everyone”. It is by no means a worldwide problem, not an American problem…it is a select few who still believe they can break the law at will and get away with it. They continue because they DO break the law at will and get away with it. The REAL horsemen and women out there can sleep easily at night, knowing they did the best for their horses on that day that they could. I have no idea how the others do…

  • 66puppies

     Yes, lets keep apple with apples. Cheating is cheating. Unless I completely misread you, your reply really worries me. So its ok for cheap trainers w. cheap horses at cheap tracks to follow a different set of rules?
    This, ladies and gentlemen, is one of the very things that is wrong in this industry. It’s just usually the other way around – in favor of the big guys.

  • nu-fan

    Kim:  “…how can owners NOT know what’s going on? ”  Also, isn’t it their responsibility to find out what is going on with those that they hire?  Can’t hide behind the “gee, I didn’t know….”  It’s their business to know.

  • Marc

    That is an absurd statement given that Dutrow is known to have lied repeatedly, habitually, pathologically.

    Honesty is a quality normally associated with integrity and operating within the stricture of laws and regulations.

    Dutrow is DIShonest.

  • Foxfield

    Amen……I know there are good ones out there.  They must also be frustrated at doing things correctly and having to continuously “buck the tide” and have the sport denegraded through no fault of their own.

  • nu-fan

    Nucky:  Thank you for the suggestion about the Caps Lock key.  It’s a little hard to read all caps–and, it screams.  It’s a small deal but I’ve seen these all caps comments a bit too often and I’m glad that you pointed this out.  I also agree that I see a number of young people (probably UC Berkeley students) at Golden Gate Fields.  They are the ones in the stand watching the races and, usually, with a group of their friends. They don’t seem to go alone but as a social event.  That is great in that it promotes more to seeing racing, in person.  Go inside and I see more of the older generation.  But, I also notice that a lot of racing fall on days when most people are working.  That might be why the senior citizens are more visible.  They are free from a work schedule.

  • nu-fan

    Cartman:  Regarding the “geriatric ward” at the races….  Perhaps, it depends on which racetrack.  I see a real mixed crowd at Golden Gate Fields–at least, in the stands.  But, plenty of younger, college-aged, fans along with young families and their kids in tow.  It’s a shame that someone in the racing industry took financial advantage of you but that happens in every walk of life. Always need to be vigilant when money is involved. That’s just life.

  • nu-fan

    Lou:  I always enjoy reading your comments.  With your experience, what solution do you see to get regulations taken seriously by all stewards and racing commissions.  Is it by changing the way that they are appointed as you mentioned?  If so, what other means of doing so? 

  • nu-fan

    Justmyopinion:  But, that might be the problem.  If there are others like Dutrow out there, isn’t it worrisome that some may say “problem solved and no need to continue discussing this and looking at others in the racing industry”? 

  • Olebobbowers

    Lest we forget his association with the late Buddy Jacobson. Same acts took place between him and Buddy when Buddy was denied stalls at the N.Y. tracks. It was actually through that connection, Frankel took off! Hey, ya gotta get started somehow…just sayin…

  • Olebobbowers

    Dick’s outta here. Now it’s time to start paying attention to the butchers that drop horses down from $40k to the bottom level where they become just another stat on the fatality lists. It’s not only the trainers that should be rub out of town, but send the state Veterinarian that ‘examined’ and approved them to start, along with those trainers. I find it hard to believe it’s merely a coincidence that only the trainers that run many horses that are above suspicion on those major drop downs. A lesser trainer would be scratched in a heart beat under the same circumstances. This needs to stop.

    • Figless

      Agree, IF there must  be claiming races there should be restrictions on how many levels they can be dropped. One level at a time please, its simple as that.

      • Dcurtis78

        Then you better a restriction on how many levels they should be raised at a time too. Simple , probably not.

        • Don Reed

          Cutting AQ back one day a week was the first step.  Note that they resisted doing it until their races absolutely, positively could not be filled, hence, in the past five years, a succession of timed, wagered-on paid workouts with the first of the four horses earning $30,000. 

          Then the lunatics all said, “Well, that’s the economics of winter racing,” as if the word “economics” (to economize) could possibly have been applied to a system of financial madness.

        • Figless

          No you can rise as far as you wish, horses being dropped dramatically are the one’s at risk.

  • Olebobbowers

    Dick’s outta here. Now it’s time to start paying attention to the butchers that drop horses down from $40k to the bottom level where they become just another stat on the fatality lists. It’s not only the trainers that should be rub out of town, but send the state Veterinarian that ‘examined’ and approved them to start, along with those trainers. I find it hard to believe it’s merely a coincidence that only the trainers that run many horses that are above suspicion on those major drop downs. A lesser trainer would be scratched in a heart beat under the same circumstances. This needs to stop.

  • Figless

    Agree, IF there must  be claiming races there should be restrictions on how many levels they can be dropped. One level at a time please, its simple as that.

  • Figless

    This was my earlier point.

  • Dcurtis78

    Then you better a restriction on how many levels they should be raised at a time too. Simple , probably not.

  • Kim Howell (Anita Xanax)

    Misread totally. My comment was to the rather lackadasical “so what, it happens all the time” one above. I understand that, the outrage comes not that the “big boys” were caught but that such a mean spirited, low class act could be perpetrated in a G1 race.

  • Don Reed

    Agreed! Wish I could see more of this in the books that look promising and fall short.

  • Don Reed

    Exactly.  Where was the “brutally honest” Dutrow BEFORE he got into trouble?  I don’t remember the crybaby routine in motion before 2008 (at least to the extent that it became, afterwards).

  • Don Reed

    New York Mets want to open a casino next to their stadium (to pay for the Madoff embezzlements).

    Rich Dutrow as casino CEO.  My vote.

  • Don Reed

    New York Mets want to open a casino next to their stadium (to pay for the Madoff embezzlements).

    Rich Dutrow as casino CEO.  My vote.

  • Larry Ensor

    Stating that is where his vet and blacksmith are, I’m pretty sure he could have gotten them to come to another track to treat and shoe the horse.”

    Doc, your comments are generally pretty rational but not this one. No disrespect but you obviously have never dealt with a vets or farriers much if any. Maybe if the horse was Secretariat or Seattle Slew. Monmouth Park isn’t exactly around the block from Aqueduct. It can take 2 hours to get to Belmont which is only about 15 miles away if the Beltway is a parking lot. Which more time then not it is. I believe you are a small animal vet. When’s the last time you made a house call or any small animal vet? I may complain about my horse vet bills. But they do come to my farm at any given time night and day. And their fee is a fraction of what it cost me when I take a cat or dog to the vet for minor things.

    “Claiming he had to get the horse to Aqueduct to get him right says to me there was something about the backstretch there that allowed him to potentially get away with stuff he could not have at other jurisdictions.”
    Please. You should know better then to state this sort of nonsense. It serves no purpose

  • Don Reed

    Cutting AQ back one day a week was the first step.  Note that they resisted doing it until their races absolutely, positively could not be filled, hence, in the past five years, a succession of timed, wagered-on paid workouts with the first of the four horses earning $30,000. 

    Then the lunatics all said, “Well, that’s the economics of winter racing,” as if the word “economics” (to economize) could possibly have been applied to a system of financial madness.

  • Don Reed

    James, if you have time, will you let me know how “edited by author” is technically possible on this 3rd-world Disqus system?  I try to clean things up before posting, but I don’t succeed from time to time; being able to fix typos etc. would be a great option. Thanks.

  • Don Reed

    Zero possibility.

  • Hunter Delaney

    so Wild Desert ran in the Queens Plate,  a $1,000,000.00 race, with falsified workouts, while being trained by someone under suspension, whom directly benefited from the horse winning financially,  and the Ontario Racing Commission, so focused on INTEGRITY, chooses to turn a blind eye??? Why isn’t this horse DISQUALIFIED from the win?? Why hasn’t there been an investigation by the ORC into the Dutrow/Frankel (who had a string in Canada for Stronach at the time) association. Amazing how the ORC picks and chooses who to investigate. When this first came out the horse should have been DQ’d

  • Hunter Delaney

    so Wild Desert ran in the Queens Plate,  a $1,000,000.00 race, with falsified workouts, while being trained by someone under suspension, whom directly benefited from the horse winning financially,  and the Ontario Racing Commission, so focused on INTEGRITY, chooses to turn a blind eye??? Why isn’t this horse DISQUALIFIED from the win?? Why hasn’t there been an investigation by the ORC into the Dutrow/Frankel (who had a string in Canada for Stronach at the time) association. Amazing how the ORC picks and chooses who to investigate. When this first came out the horse should have been DQ’d

  • Beachy

    Can anyone tell me what is going on with, or where is, Willy Beamin, who won the King’s Bishop 2012?  If I look on Equibase, R. Dutrow is still the trainer of record.  I believe there were complications(like bleeding) in Willy’s last race and I just pray he is ok. 

    I won’t say what I think of Mr. R. Dutrow’s disingenuous behaviors in polite company, but all of you can guess.  :-/  

    • BonnieMcDo

      Yes, where is willy. And where is Zetterholm.  He came in a dismal next to last at Calder in Nov. 2011 with some other trainer. Shows up at Aqueduct in Jan and comes in second in an MSW and then wins in Feb. Wins his allowance in March–my horse was third. And then goes to the preakness and dwyer and then is gone. Yes.where are they? 

      • Beachy

         And the silence is deafening(ie, no answers) and the industry wonders why people have problems with horse racing.  :-/ 

  • Beachy

    Can anyone tell me what is going on with, or where is, Willy Beamin, who won the King’s Bishop 2012?  If I look on Equibase, R. Dutrow is still the trainer of record.  I believe there were complications(like bleeding) in Willy’s last race and I just pray he is ok. 

    I won’t say what I think of Mr. R. Dutrow’s disingenuous behaviors in polite company, but all of you can guess.  :-/  

  • Hossracergp

    Wow…..it’s like you’ve just visited Oz and seen the wizard behind the curtain. In reality, the racetrack in general is not where you find the pillars of society. Maybe it’s time for a reality check……but then again maybe you can’t handle the truth?

  • SteveG

    If you login, then post, the edit option is available.  If you simply post (without logging in) there is no edit option.

  • Treebud Adams

    I am not gullible enough to believe that 90% of this goes on, I come from the backside.
    What I have a problem with is that when you have a trainer dead to nuts done these
    legal lawyers get involved and make a farce of horse racing. You have the blood and urine samples, and yet for the benifit of doubt, split samples and they come up positive, in my mind end of story your gone. This about Rick Dutrow is a farce he is not bright enough to do what he has been charged, this is a bigger deal by gamblers, end of story. Before you doubt, remember, I was there, I lived it. Another backstretch pawn gone bad, but for a reason and that is the true story.

  • Treebud Adams

    I am not gullible enough to believe that 90% of this goes on, I come from the backside.
    What I have a problem with is that when you have a trainer dead to nuts done these
    legal lawyers get involved and make a farce of horse racing. You have the blood and urine samples, and yet for the benifit of doubt, split samples and they come up positive, in my mind end of story your gone. This about Rick Dutrow is a farce he is not bright enough to do what he has been charged, this is a bigger deal by gamblers, end of story. Before you doubt, remember, I was there, I lived it. Another backstretch pawn gone bad, but for a reason and that is the true story.

  • LongTimeEconomist

    Larry, a horse that valuable you could justify a helicopter to get the shoer over there. And how often did the horse need a vet?

  • LongTimeEconomist

    The article states that the reason for the false works, etc. was to violate a order from NYRA and because he was under suspension. The false work isn’t the problem; it’s that he was still training horses while suspended.

  • LongTimeEconomist

    The article states that the reason for the false works, etc. was to violate a order from NYRA and because he was under suspension. The false work isn’t the problem; it’s that he was still training horses while suspended.

  • Spa4Horses

     I can see why someone might believe this, but I feel the oftentimes sore / juiced low level claimers are in need of integrity and parity with horses at higher levels, for ethical reasons.

    And so are the regular Joes and Janes wagering on the card that day. 

    When a person places a bet, he /she has a right to the truth.

  • Jan Jasion Cross

    I’d like to add another name to the list of scum bags that have run young, eager to join the ranks race horse owners off the track. Joe Orseno should hang his head in shame for what he did to my sister and brother in law. They had a lovely and promising three year old filly named Neigh Highs. Phil, my bro -in-law had bred the filly, his very first breeder/owner experience and directed Joe to NOT run the filly (at Gulfstream Park) for a claiming tag under any circumstance. Joe entered the filly for $15,000, never even called them to tell them she was entered! Neigh Highs won easily and was claimed. HOW MUCH DID U GET JOE? Her new owner/trainer went on to win in alw. company and eventually a stake race. My sister and brother in law got $15,000 for their $70,000 investment and a VERY bad feeling about the racing business. They got out. And, my brother-in-law was ready to start a racing partnership with some friends when Joe put the screws to him.

  • Don Reed

    Thanks.  Not a big deal, but why would non-loggers not require an occasional edit?

  • Figless

    No you can rise as far as you wish, horses being dropped dramatically are the one’s at risk.

  • Larry Ensor

    Fair enough. But I would like to believe you and others get the gist of my comment.

  • BonnieMcDo

    Yes, where is willy. And where is Zetterholm.  He came in a dismal next to last at Calder in Nov. 2011 with some other trainer. Shows up at Aqueduct in Jan and comes in second in an MSW and then wins in Feb. Wins his allowance in March–my horse was third. And then goes to the preakness and dwyer and then is gone. Yes.where are they? 

  • Mg

    So, he can’t run in NY or KY. He is running kn FL right now. Still in the game, still bad for the game.

    • RayPaulick

      Mg,

      All U.S. states and many international jurisdictions practice what is known as reciprocity. If someone is suspended in one jurisdiction, that suspension is recognized in jurisdiction that practice reciprocity. He is not training in Florida at licensed racetracks.

      • Thomalene E.

        I think, Ray, MG meant his “assistant” Michelle is down there at GP with the horses, webbings, stall plaques, saddle towels, etc…. with the red “D” on them…. I think its fairly clear who is calling the shots and enjoying the fruits of those horses earnings…..

        • James Staples

          Well if thats the case they need to run her OFF too…Hope like hell the people @ Gulfstream are looking into IT as we speak…ty…

  • Mg

    So, he can’t run in NY or KY. He is running kn FL right now. Still in the game, still bad for the game.

  • RayPaulick

    Mg,

    All U.S. states and many international jurisdictions practice what is known as reciprocity. If someone is suspended in one jurisdiction, that suspension is recognized in jurisdiction that practice reciprocity. He is not training in Florida at licensed racetracks.

  • Thomalene E.

    I think, Ray, MG meant his “assistant” Michelle is down there at GP with the horses, webbings, stall plaques, saddle towels, etc…. with the red “D” on them…. I think its fairly clear who is calling the shots and enjoying the fruits of those horses earnings…..

  • James Staples

    Yea…Like Lance Armstrong!!!…ha ha ha…

  • James Staples

    Hell Yes!!!…ty…

  • James Staples

    What I wanted to say was he should have been LOCKED UP!!!…Period…but I had a BF!!!…sorry bout that…ty…

  • James Staples

    Well if thats the case they need to run her OFF too…Hope like hell the people @ Gulfstream are looking into IT as we speak…ty…

  • James Staples

    THAT IS PURE BS!!!… & U CAN BOOK THAT!!!…ty…

  • Beachy

     And the silence is deafening(ie, no answers) and the industry wonders why people have problems with horse racing.  :-/ 

  • Don Reed

    Added, that would put NYRA in the position of arguing in court that Heyward and Co. don’t deserve severance pay – at the same time that they’re giving the finger to the organization who tossed out a corrupt NYRA trainer.

    Stranger things HAVE happened, but this isn’t going to. 

  • Don Reed

    Fox, there were numerous trainers who were quoted as saying that they were sorry Dutrow was getting tossed (Ward being the best example.  Not one was quoted as saying anything derogatory about him, to my knowledge).

    Look, it doesn’t pay to be quoted (either way) as a trainer.  There’s no reward for being candid and there’s everything to lose.  It’s amazing that we’re even provided with their actual names, come to think of it.

  • http://Bellwether4u.com James Staples

    He ought to SCREAM!!!…Live & let Live…ty…

  • http://Bellwether4u.com James Staples

    He ought to SCREAM!!!…Live & let Live…ty…

  • http://Bellwether4u.com James Staples

    He ought to SCREAM!!!…Live & let Live…

  • Sparkkels Og32

     “among the more potentially destructive to the honesty and reputation of the industry” No such thing As honesty in this sport anymore. Dirty from top to bottom!!

  • Sparkkels Og32

     “among the more potentially destructive to the honesty and reputation of the industry” No such thing As honesty in this sport anymore. Dirty from top to bottom!!

  • HP

     And if there were no false workouts there would be no races…

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