Deadlocked vote stalls Lasix phase-out in Kentucky

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The Kentucky Horse Racing Commission was deadlocked with a 7-to-7 vote on whether to adopt a proposed regulation phasing out the use of the anti-bleeder drug furosemide, better known by its former trade name Lasix, beginning with 2-year-olds of 2013 and banning the drug for all horses on race-day by 2015. With the 15th commission seat empty as a result of the hiring of former commissioner John Ward as executive director, a tie vote means defeat. It is a major setback for the national movement to ban raceday medications and align U.S. racing drug rules with the rest of the world.

Voting in favor of the phase-out were commission chairman Bob Beck, vice chairman Tracy Farmer, Edward Bonnie, Wade Houston, Elizabeth Lavin, Alan Leavitt, and Dr. Jerry Yon. Opposing it were Tom Conway, Frank Jones, Franklin Kling Jr., Tom Ludt, veterinarian Foster Northrop, Michael Pitino, and Burr Travis.

The issue may not be dead, however. Ludt, who also serves as chairman of the Breeders’ Cup, an organization that adopted a no-raceday medication rule for its championships beginning with 2-year-olds of 2012 and all horses in 2013, proposed an amendment that will be brought up within 30 days. The amendment, which did not have the support of the commission before the vote on the overall proposal, calls for the phase-out to begin with 2-year-old stakes races run in Kentucky in 2013, not all 2-year-old races.

After the Lasix phase-out vote deadlocked at 7-7, chairman Beck suggested that Ludt re-submit his amendment. After it was seconded, commissioner Jones asked for the amendment to be tabled for 30 days. That request passed by an 8-6 vote.

The original proposal called for a 24-hour ban before races for 2-year-olds beginning in 2013, with races for 3-year-olds and 3 and up phased in the following year, along with all 2014 stakes races in Kentucky. By January 2015, all races in Kentucky would be run Lasix-free. The proposal gave the racing commission an escape clause, or parachute as commissioner Lavin called it, by having the Raceday Medication Committee monitor whether or not any other states adopted similar rules. If they hadn’t by Sept. 1, 2013, the committee was to recommend whether or not to pull the plug on going forward with the eventual Lasix ban. (Full text of the proposal is at the end of this story.)

The discussion period on the proposal included comments from nearly every commissioner (Pitino opted to “pass” before his no vote), and Beck invited five organizations, along with two individuals to speak on the issue. Those commenting were Rick Hiles, on behalf of the Kentucky Horsemen’s Benevolent and Protective Association, which opposed the phase-out; David Switzer, executive director of the Kentucky Thoroughbred Association, which took a neutral position because his organization had not had a chance to review the draft language; Craig Fravel, president and CEO of the Breeders’ Cup, who said he was “personally amazed” at the industry’s resistance to change on various issues; Matt Iuliani of The Jockey Club, which supports the proposal; and Dan Metzger of the Thoroughbred Owners and Breeders Assoiation, which also supported the race-day ban and whose American Graded Stakes Committee had attempted and failed to prohibit Lasix in 2-year-old Graded stakes of 2012.

Also speaking were trainer/owner Dale Romans, who stridently opposed the ban, saying the racing industry is already in crisis because of a shortage of horses and that phasing out Lasix would only exacerbate the situation; and owner-breeder Bill Casner, who is now racing many of his horses without Lasix and said a phase-out would not mean the sky was falling.

Several commissioners disagreed with Casner’s assessment, including Burr Travis, who said he would stop buying horses if Lasix is phased out, and Frank Jones, who predicted a 20-50% drop in Kentucky’s horse population if the proposal was approved. Jones called the potential consequences “catastrophic.”

Commissioner Elizabeth Lavin moved that the commission approve the proposal, saying that she and her veterinarian husband, Gary Lavin, have changed their position from pro- to anti-Lasix in recent years. “We now live in a time where perception is reality and the perception is that racing in Kentucky is a sport based on chemical manipulation.” she said. “We’ve talked it to death and I am going to support the motion. If not us, who? If not now, when?”

Beck echoed Lavin’s notion, saying the “public perception is we are a drug-infested sport. I don’t believe that, but it’s hard to change that perception.” Beck said a major part of the problem is that the U.S. is the only major racing country in the world that permits raceday medication. “Is it arrogant for us to believe we are the only ones who are correct?” he asked.

Ludt, who many expected to vote in favor of the proposal, ultimately voted against it, suggesting the phasing out of Lasix begin with 2-year-old stakes of 2013. That amendment may be addressed in the KHRC’s next meeting.

Before the full commission met, its Raceday Medication Committee voted 4-1 to approve the proposal. The meeting, held at the U.S. Dressage Federation headquarters, attracted a standing room only crowd of some of the industry’s most prominent owners, breeders, and trainers, and, at times, became highly charged.

A last-minute compromise appeared to sway some of the committee members to support the measure. That compromise provides for the Raceday Medication Committee to monitor whether other states follow suit and phase out Lasix on a similar timetable. The committee is to report back to the KHRC by Sept. 1, 2013, and indications from committee chairman Tracy Farmer were that if Kentucky was alone in passing this Lasix ban, it could reverse course.

Elizabeth Lavin, whose family operates Longfield Farm and whose husband, Dr. Gary Lavin, is a veterinarian and Jockey Club member, moved to pass the proposal, saying that she had previously supported the use of Lasix but has changed in recent times.

“We now live in a time where perception is reality and the perception is that racing in Kentucky is a sport based on chemical manipulation” Lavin said. “We’ve talked it to death and I am going to support the motion.” Lavin said the “parachute clause” that allows Kentucky to reverse course if no other states follow suit convinced her the phase out is the proper step.  “I recognize the fact that Kentucky can’t act on its own.”

Veterinarian Foster Northrop was the only “no” vote on the committee, saying that he supports Kentucky racing and that the ban would hurt. If anything is done to tighten race-day medication, Northrop said, “it has to be on a national basis.” It casting his vote, Northrop said, “I oppose very strongly. This is going to destroy Kentucky racing.”

Trainer Dale Romans attempted to speak during the committee hearing but was told by Farmer that because there was a previous public hearing and a motion on the floor, it would not be permitted. Nevertheless, Romans persisted in getting out his point of view opposing the phase-out of Lasix, saying that Kentucky racing “was on a slippery slope.” After the measure passed, Romans called the vote “the final nail in the coffin” for Kentucky racing. Explaining his point after the meeting, Romans said previous changes in Kentucky regulations prohibiting raceday use of non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs were designed to make Kentucky racing stronger but only hurt.

“They’re not saying you can’t give a horse Lasix, but that you can’t give it to the horse when it needs it the most, on the day it races,” Romans said.  “We have so many other more important issues to deal with: our share of advance-deposit wagering, off-track wagering.”

Here is the language of the prohibition of furosemide on race day passed by the Raceday Medication Committee and going before the full Kentucky Horse Racing Commission:

PUBLIC PROTECTION CABINET
KENTUCKY HORSE RACING COMMISSION
(New Administrative Regulation)
810 KAR 1.300. Prohibition of Furosemide on race day.

Necessity, function, and conformity: KRS 230.215 (2) authorizes the Kentucky Horse Racing Commission to promulgate administrative regulations prescribing conditions under which all legitimate horse racing and wagering therein is conducted in Kentucky. KRS 230.240(2) requires the  commission to promulgate administrative regulations restricting or prohibiting the administration of drugs or stimulants or other improper acts to horses prior to the horse participating in a race. This administrative regulation restricts the use of furosemide on race day and establishes a timeline whereby the administration of furosemide to a horse on race day will ultimately be prohibited.

Section 1. Furosemide use on Race Day. (1) Notwithstanding any other provision of 810 KAR 1:018 or 810 KAR 1:028 to the contrary, furosemide may be administered, in accordance with this section, to a horse eligible to receive furosemide that is entered to compete in a race at an association under the jurisdiction of the commission. To the extent of any conflict between a provision in this administrative regulation and a provision in any other administrative regulation contained in 810 KAR Chapter 1, the provision in this administrative regulation shall supersede.

(2)(a) Effective January 1, 2013, and therafter furosemide shall not be administered less than twenty-four hours prior to post time for the race in which the horse is entered to any horse designated as a 2-year-old;

(b) Effective January 1, s014, and thereafter;

1. Furosemide shall not be administered less than twenty-four hours prior to post time for the race in which the horse is entered to any horse designated as a 3-year-old;

2. Furosemide shall not be administered less than twenty-four hours prior to post time for the races in which the horse is entered to any horse designated as a 4-year-old or older entered to run in a race for 3-year-olds and older; and

3. Furosemide shall not be administered less than twenty-four hours prior to post time for the races in which the horse is entered to any horse of any age entered to run in a stakes race, whether graded or not.

(c) Effective January 1, 2015, and thereafter, furosemide shall not be administered less than twenty-four hours prior to post time for the race in which the horse is entered to any horse of any age entered to run in a race held at a racing association under the jurisdiction of the commission.

(3) Furosemide shall be administered to eligible horses as established in this administrative regulation in accordance with 810 KAR 1:018, Section 6 and Section 7.


Section 2. Penalties. (1) If the commission laboratory determines the presence of furosemide in the serum or plasma of a sample by liquid chromatography/mass spectrometry in a horse that is not eligible to receive furosemide pursuant to this administrative regulation, it shall be prima facie evidence that furosemide was administered to the horse in violation of this administrative regulation.

Such horse shall be disqualified and listed as unplaced and all purse money shall be forfeited. In addition, a licensee who administers, or is a party to or responsible for administering furosemide to a horse that is not eligible to receive furosemide shall be subject to some or all of the following penalties as deemed appropriate by the commission in keeping with the seriousness of the violation and the facts of the case:


(a) For a first offense:

1. A suspension or revocation of licensing privileges from zero days to 10 days; and

2. Payment of a fine from $250 to $500.

    (b) For a second offense within a 365-day period:

    1. A suspension or revocation of licensing privileges from 10 days to 30 days; and

    2. Payment of a fine of $500 to $1,000.

    (c)  For a third offense within a 365-day period:

    1. A suspension or revocation of licensing privileges from 30 days to 60 days; and

    2. Payment of a fine of $1,000 to $2,500.

    Section 3. Withdrawal guidelines of twenty-four hours for a single intravenous administrative of furosemide is voluntary and advisory only.

    Section 4. The race day medication committee of the commission shall monitor the treatment of race day medications in other racing jurisdictions and the affect of this administrative regulation on racing in Kentucky. The race day medication committee shall report its findings to the commission  no later than September 1, 2013.

    Section 5. Effective January  1, 2015, the following provisions shall be repealed in their entirety: 810 KAR 1:018, Section 3(2); 810 KAR 1:018, Section 6; 810 KAR 1:018, Section 7; and 810 KAR 1:028, Section 5(2).

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  • Ridindirty3

    As long as these are the penalties…….NO meaningful change will ever happen!
    (a) For a first offense:
    1. A suspension or revocation of licensing privileges from zero days to 10 days; and

    2. Payment of a fine from $250 to $500.

    (b) For a second offense within a 365-day period:
    1. A suspension or revocation of licensing privileges from 10 days to 30 days; and
    2. Payment of a fine of $500 to $1,000.
    (c)  For a third offense within a 365-day period:
    1. A suspension or revocation of licensing privileges from 30 days to 60 days; and
    2. Payment of a fine of $1,000 to $2,500.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OPYWICKFKTSPHHUKZQGUAM75JQ BILLIE

    In this case the perception is true. lasix is an performance enhancing drug. No ifs buts or whats about it. 

  • Big Red

    Good plan unless your name is Dutrow, Pletcher, Assussmen, Bioncone, O’Neil, etc.

  • jorge

    Yes your right. They are big time lasix users. Along with the other 99.9.

  • Gtony63

    Wonder if they will ever have another Breeder’s Cup in Kentucky again?

  • jorge

    The fate of Ky racing. Lavin : Retired lives in Florida , Houston: bust out coach that road his son’s back to a good job. Farmer: races in NY mostly and is advised by Lincoln Collins. And runs them all on lasix. Good luck KY

  • voiceofreason

    All bark. No bite.

  • stillriledup

    Wasnt there a trainer or 2 at Del Mar in 2008 who ‘took advantage’ of the phasing out of steroids? Why would this not happen again? Ok, so you get a 250 dollar fine and lose the purse money…what happens to all the betting money you steal, do the bettors who bet on the 2nd best horse (and saved their tickets) get to recoup that money after the winner gets DQ’d? No, they dont, the race goes official for betting purposes. No where in the ‘fines’ did i read where the trainer and his connections have to ‘give back’ the money they won thru the windows.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OPYWICKFKTSPHHUKZQGUAM75JQ BILLIE

     How would anybody know a horse connection bet their horse? There is really no way to know….it is like making $$ at blackjack……no need to fill out any w2g form…..

  • stillriledup

     They wouldnt know, that’s the point. Because they don’t know, its much easier to just give heavy fines and punishments to these ‘rules skirters’ than to give wrist slaps while they manipulate betting pools during the phase out period.

  • Reddog6

     Not true.  Lasix prevent EIPH.  Horses will be harmed without it.

  • Reddog6

    Thank goodness for the health of race horses the vote failed 7-7.
     

  • Janeal

    They also lose app. 30 pounds. So years ago when a horse was beaten by a lasix horse, it didn’t take long before all horses were on lasix.

  • jorge

    Is that vote right ? Ludt voted against the phase out? Hard to believe

  • James Staples

    WRONG AGAIN…

  • Watcher

    The president of Vinery votes no?  Are Vinery stallions also geldings?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OPYWICKFKTSPHHUKZQGUAM75JQ BILLIE

     Nonsense….that is because we keep breeding these inferior horses….

  • James Staples

    WRONG AGAIN…

  • Marc200lr

    What a great rule.  There is hope for racing.   

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OPYWICKFKTSPHHUKZQGUAM75JQ BILLIE

     Sarcastic are we?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OPYWICKFKTSPHHUKZQGUAM75JQ BILLIE

     No rule to skirt…..I knew it was too good to be true…

  • loopsteer

    Ray Sousa this lasix contoversy is just plain silly,first racing is conducted world wide with out raceday lasix and with long withdrawl periods,and we are seeing what their horses are doing to ours on a regular basis,they fly in and sweep up graded races like stealing candy from a baby,this notion that 90% of horses are bleeders is bull,ive followed racing and been to places where racing is conducted without laxis and none of the apocalyptic consequences that the racing establishment here pedles is happening,the reason trainers defend laisix is because it masks many evils,including drugs,not to mention overpriced vet bills,after all if a trainer says he administered laxis and charges for it,the owner has no way of knowing whether it was given or not but pays the bill anyway,neat.

  • Jimculpepper

    If it is not a performance enhancing drug, then wot N L is it for?

  • Concerned Observer

    This is the way it works in Kentucky. Put it off for another 30 days. Then talk some more. Then add more amendments, and more hearings and more delays, then more hearings, more debate…..then hope it quietly dies.

    What is our racing commission doing about a real estate developer buying Turfway Park?
    When Turfway is a Shopping Center  that will have a major impact on KY racing.

    Will the KHRC  let  45% of all Kentucky racing die without a whimper or a hearing or any plan of action? That is the kind of decision our goverment agencies can make. Commission by omission.

    Kentucky can build U of Louisville  a $350 Million arena, but can not find any support for the fundamental sport and signiture industry in the state?

    Across the river in Cincinnati, the city subsidizes the rent for the Bengals $15 million a year!

    What has Kentucky done for racing?

    Before you say I am crazy.  31 of 32 NFL teams play in government owned and subsidized stadiums. RACE Tracks are owned by California and New York State.

  • Marc200lr

    Slots + Drugs =  US Racing     The USA horsemen claim they couldn’t exist without either one!!   Sad state of affairs.   

  • Ridindirty3

     Yeah….and the NFL has unions….everybody gets paid & they don’t have fines of $250.00 & they WILL throw your ass out of the game if they want to! AND fine you HARD! They also allow guys to play hurt with the help of therapeutic medications! It’s called protecting your brand…..a foreign concept in Thoroughbred Racing. 

  • Ridindirty3

    HA! HA! HA! HA! You just can’t make this $hit up! Now they’re back to two-yr-old stake horses! I’m gonna run my early two-yr-old stake horse in KY with no Lasix & then not be able to run him anywhere else in the country for X days….after I find out he really needs it! I’m gonna run my later developing two-yr-old stake horse in KY with no Lasix & then not be able to run him & get him ready to run in the Derby. Good Job! That’ll work!

  • http://twitter.com/BigSkyEquine SaratogaSid

    We shall consider a tie vote as progress for the advancement of the health and welfare of racehorses to be allowed to run free of raceday drugs. Horses racing in Hong Kong, Japan, Europe, Dubai, and Australia race safer and more competitively without raceday drugs or Lasix, where there are no significant issues with bleeding. In those places, the trainers utilize horsemanship, husbandry, and appropriate conditioning to manage bleeding and breakdowns. Without drugs, they are much more effective than the American trainers.
    The commission had a great opportunity to send a message that they are interested in cleaning up horseracing, and half of their members sent the message. Many statements and conclusions made today will pave the way for the eventual ban, which is already in place for the Breeder’s Cup two-year-olds. 
    Despite this minor setback, the health and welfare of the horse will prevail in the end, and in time horses will again be allowed to race drug-free in America.
    SaratogaSid

  • Ok

    How does one ‘manage’ breakdowns? No drugs overseas? Ever heard of ITTP?

  • Stanley inman

    It was great to witness the action today, despite the outcome.
    Kentucky’s racing commission will be criticized for their failure to deliver
    But they acted like leaders,
    they took on a highly controversial topic
    With no assurance they had all the answers;
    Because they knew they had To,
    They carried all the dead weight of the sport’s ( the jockey club, toba, hbpa,)
    Leaders who collect paychecks and
    Are too afraid to carry put their responsibilities.

  • Damon Runyon

    I would like to know what Seth Hancock thinks about this issue. Since he was reported in attendance, he probably has an opinion. Any “journalists” out there, or not?

  • Concerned Observer

    Stanley, If you were there, why do you think it fell apart?
    Did it ever really have a chance or was it orchestrated like the senate votes to give senators cover?

  • RayPaulick

     I won’t put words in Mr. Hancock’s mouth, but he is on the American Graded Stakes Committee that tried to implement a ban on raceday administration of Lasix for 2-year-olds in 2012. He is also vice chairman of the Thoroughbred Owners and Breeders Association, under whose umbrella the American Graded Stakes Committee operates, and he is a member of The Jockey Club, which supports a phasing out of raceday medication. He was seated with other TOBA officers and members.

  • Stanley inman

    Hearing sidebar;

    Dale Romans, speaking for lasix
    used two interesting observations
    about why lasix is good.
    1.He said 99 per cent of the horses
    running at Keeneland on bluegrass day
    ( when attendance and handle records were broken)
    Were running on lasix, (thus everything is good.)
    2. That stake races won by euro’s on lasix is the rule not the exception.
    Another example of “lasix is good”
    3. One last observation about the hearing;
    Whenever I heard, “I love horses…” mentioned it came from
    Someone advocating continued use of the needle.
    Finally despite the charge made by HBPA leadoff hitter, Rick Hiles,
    That taking lasix away, could be inhumane, no one from
    The humane society or PETA spoke to support his claim.

  • Stanley inman

    It was fascinating;
    The hbpa didn’t think they were goin to win,
    their reaction was as if they won the lottery.
    Everybody means well
    It’s the theatre of humanity
    I was fortunAte to witness history
    The struggle continues/ both sides feel
    They are doin right by the horse
    The emotion was palpable.

  • Stanley inman

    The leaders of the move to end raceday meds
    made tactical errors,
    it was theirs to lose
    and they blew it.

  • Gorethebears

    1. Since everybody is doing it, it’s ok

    2. Euros should start racing on Lasix

    3. I love horses when it wins….

    here’s the real doozie….lasix is therapeutic!!…we have to keep using it to treat the disease….

    no wonder we have a bad reputation

  • Garrett Redmond

    Consider the possibilty Ludt stands stallions that relied on dope during their racing careers.  If that weakness is passed on (which would be demonstrable in a few years) his stallions would be out of business.

    In you were in such a circumstance, how would you vote?  Never forget, the money makes the rules.

  • Garrett Redmond

    He is still everybody’s favorite figurehead.

  • dh

    The cheaters are not winning at a high percentage because of Lasix folks. Lasix only works on bleeders and I doubt 99% of all racehorses are bleeders. Want proof, look at the charts, how many last place horses are on Lasix, so wheres the performance enhancement? Now ask how many horses run last on EPO, probably not many, and if they did they probably croaked during the race. Until racing goes after the drugs that the cheats are using the game will be done in 10-15 years, tops. Getting rid of Lasix will only speed up the process.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OPYWICKFKTSPHHUKZQGUAM75JQ BILLIE

    Horseracing

    - An industry heavily subsidized by it’s major competitor (casinos)
    - An industry who has a bad public reputation (drugs)
    - An industry losing 10% of it’s betting (customers) base every year

    those in power are just kicking the can down the road…..heck they won’t be around when they turn off the lights….so they don’t care but pretend they do…..

    oh please….spare me….

  • Nucky Thompson

    What a shock – a deadlocked vote – so nothing happens again - who would have believed it . The KHRC couldn’t organize a piss up in a brewery. They should give the vacant seat on the Commission to Marie Antoinette.  Still they have given Bob Costas and the rest of the NBC crowd something to sink their teeth into on Derby Day – paging Mr Irwin !

  • Grarick

     Actually, I don’t think I have…what the hell is ITTP?

  • http://www.winnerscirclepartners.com/ Stewart

    This is far too logical for the majority of posters on this forum to comprehend.  Rather than learn about the issue it is always easiest to do what politicians do…learn nothing and take a shot at whatever the hot topic of the day is. 

  • http://www.winnerscirclepartners.com/ Stewart

    Stanley,

    Why would PETA possibly get involved in anything that they couldn’t take the majority of credit for?  If it doesn’t benefit PETA then they generally are not interested.  Anyway, they are probably too busy slaughtering animals in their own shelters to focus on this right now.

  • http://www.winnerscirclepartners.com/ Stewart

    If you really need to ask this question, you should probably stay out of the discussion. 

  • http://www.winnerscirclepartners.com/ Stewart

    The “masking” argument is so dated it is ridiculous (this may have applied back in the 90s but hasn’t been valid for 10 or more years).  The urine and blood samples are tested to a level where nothing is being masked by Lasix.  Even people involved in the industry who are in favor of banning all medications do not dispute this. 

    Have you scoped all the horses you have ever watched run?  If not, how do you know if they bled or not?  Do you dispute the scientific tests that has been published that support the fact that the majority of horses do bleed to some degree?  Do you know that the majority of the world where you claim horses do not bleed only count horses as bleeders when blood is visible out of their nostrils (the most severe type of bleeding)?

    See DH’s post above.  What people not involved in racing (and some involved in racing) don’t realize is the real “doping” comes from designer drugs that are not being tested for.  Banning lasix isn’t going to do a damn thing to stop the real issue of doping.  The only thing it is going to do for the gamblers who are complaining about an even playing field is to frustrate the hell out of them when a horse’s pattern is so inconsistent due to periodic bleeding.

    And BTW, they also eat horse meat in some of the countries that do not allow Lasix.  I realize this helps solve the thoroughbred retirement problems we face in the US, but I think it is fair to say that the “they do it so we should” argument is not as simple as people would like it to be.

  • http://www.winnerscirclepartners.com/ Stewart

    Sure, because Barry is really the spokesperson for the regular horseman.  I’m sure he will be happy to contribute though since if there is one thing Barry loves it is the spotlight.  Maybe he can discuss what happened to Animal Kingdom after touting the fact that he bred European lines because they produced a more sound horse with better durability.  I really like Animal Kingdom and his injuries have been unfortunate but the point I am making is reasonable since since Barry certainly spent a lot of time insulting American studs (as well as trainers) during his post-Derby spotlight.

  • Bustin Roos

    Agree with Nucky- the timing on this was poor- gives more fuel to the press, HSUS and Congress.  Individuals with direct ties to racing must not be on racing commissions  period.

  • nomoralcompass

    Why? So they can stick their heads deeper in the sand? I see nothing to indicate direct ties to racing equals an ability to make tough decisions,and a willingness to take on difficult issues such as banning drugs. It is, in fact, industry ties that seem to guarantee a lack of leadership, and insure that horse racing will be consistently on the wrong side of every argument. I had hopes that Kentucky would actually break out of our “We are in the bottom 5 of every category of civilization, except basketball,” syndrome and lead the country for a change. But alas, I hope for a triple crown each year too.   By the way the penalties suggested for violations are laughable, more slapping of wrists and “tsk tsk, naughty boys and girls”.  

  • nomoralcompass

    Sorry Bustin Roos, I meant to add that I agree with your last statement that individuals with direct ties must not be on racing commissions period. Too early I guess. 

  • Elktonstable

    The U.S. is the only racing country that permits the use of lasix on race day.  It appears to me the rest of the international racing world is doing just fine without it. With this example all around us, doesn’t it diminsh arguments in favor of lasix to an almost embarrasing degree? Claims that racing and the market for thoroughbreds will collapse without lasix are ridiculous.  Endangerment claims are even more ridiculous and imply that race horses cannot exist or perform without pharamcological intervention. The entire icey grip that lasix proponents have on this issue is motivated by their fear of changing the status quo and their potential inability to adapt to a lasix free competative arena.

  • Tinky

    Actually, the point that you are making is anything but “reasonable”. You point to ONE horse as evidence that European-bred horses are unsound? That’s ridiculous on its face. Perhaps you’d also like to argue that Ole Bob Bowers was one of the greatest stallions ever because he sired John Henry.

  • Tinky

    That’s precisely correct, and the irony is that it is the American trainers, rather than the horses, that are addicted to promiscuous medication.

  • Jasonfeldman

    An obvious ad hominem attack on US trainers.

  • Tinky

    You might want to try looking up nuanced expressions (e.g. ad hominem) in the dictionary so as to avoid using them incorrectly in the future.

  • Jasonfeldman

    You might try looking it up yourself.

  • Circusticket

    There’s no proof that Lasix prevents EIPH.  There’s only proof that it works when used once.  What about long term use?  Would you personally take a drug that was tested only once?

  • Stanley inman

    Nucky,
    I wouldn’t be so hard on the Kentucky racing commission
    Not to be their apologist but
    They had the courage to act;
    Those who lead the charge to end raceday meds simple
    Lack experience in this realm
    Any minimally competent lobbyist could have gotten it done.
    The majority of it’s members like all racing commissions are in way over their heads
    Their egos are what got them there and ultimately dooms them
    They have to be handled with kid gloves
    Paulick report should have a live cam on sight
    It beats any reality show

  • Tinky

    The Harvard debating team must sorely miss your presence.

  • Stanley inman

    Dale romans took the microphone to make his case
    Just days after winning the blue grass
    He reminded us that ” racing in the u.s. Is best in the world”
    Couldn’t help but be reminded about another recent news item
    The Chinese had just cut a major deal with coolmore
    To start their racing empire
    Two weeks ago the Chinese were at the horse park striking a deal
    For us to assist their efforts to make
    Their 3day event team “world class”
    Dale,
    Why did the Chinese government walk right pass
    Lanes end, Winstar, etc to purchase 100 mares and stallions to start their breeding program?
    You guys are killing us.
    Come out of your racing mancave.

  • NY Owner

    An interesting point.  In Europe, they eat the ones that bleed.  Hmmm, yep, we should definitely follow that example.  Banning lasix will surely drive many small owners out of the business after they invest thousands into a one or two horse stable and one or both bleed.  Sorry to tell you that your sound and speedy race horse is just a $1000 show horse prospect now. 

  • http://www.winnerscirclepartners.com/ Stewart

    Tinky,

    I was pointing to the fact that Barry used Animal Kingdom as an example of why he chose to breed to European lines and of course attacked the US lines and how they were weakened by drugs during the process.  He does what Barry always does, uses his time in the spotlight to tell people how he is right and to jack up his ego.  Call my comment unreasonable, I will call it ironic.

  • http://www.winnerscirclepartners.com/ Stewart

    Again, a logical post like this will get you nowhere!

  • Tom Bower

    I wanted to see if Casner’s horses really do not run on Lasix and the first one I checked (Stonemill, Race 7, Aqueduct, 4/11) ran on it.  So maybe he is lying too!

  • Arazi

    Thank you Mr Casner,that’s leadership!

  • http://www.winnerscirclepartners.com/ Stewart

    Really?  Do you know how many horses Casner ownes and the age / medication history of each horse?  If so I would love to see this information because I have a feeling you will find the quote “racing many of his horses without Lasix” was made without much fact checking.  Go figure.

  • Tom Bower

    You have to search around for it but I keep finding more.  I quickly saw where Kayce Ace also ran on Lasix at Sunland Park in the Harry Henson stakes on March 25 (in fact, all of that horse’s 13 starts have been on Lasix including 3 this year).  Also, Elkhorn Creek ran at Oaklawn in the 8th race on March 2 on Lasix.  And it looks like all of his 14 career starts have been on Lasix. Owner of all three horses: Casner Racing LP.  The guy tried to blow a fast one by the Kentucky Racing Commission and the Jockey club.  And he almost did.

  • Ridindirty3

    AK….Eight starts at 2-3 &4. I wouldn’t exactly call that durable?

  • dh

    Great post Stewart, you are so right. Why don’t more track guys like us respond to this web site? This stuff affects all of us.

  • Oky

    I’m sure they have google in France

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