Triple Crown unlikely to improve I’ll Have Another’s stud value

by | 06.07.2012 | 2:04pm
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A Triple Crown win is unlikely to increase I’ll Have Another’s value as a stallion prospect, reports the Blood-Horse. According to their article, the reality of the breeding market is that people migrate toward proven stallions. Of the unproven sires, top milers tend to draw more interest with Metropolitan Handicap winners garnering more support from breeders than winners of the Belmont Stakes.

A few breeders and brokers estimated that I’ll Have Another’s breeding rights are worth anywhere from $6 million to $10 million, and he could stand his first year for anywhere between $15,000 and $30,000.

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  • Really??

    That sure is sad.   IF he wins the last leg of  the crown and becomes the only one to achieve this feat in 34 years , he’s not going to be considered very valuable in the breeding shed??  What??  Really???    What more would you like him to prove??   

    Dear God people,  get a life

  • Really??

    Secondly,   if he wins the Triple Crown,   I don’t think he needs to prove anything else.   I think he’ll have way more than enough mares lined up for him.

  • http://twitter.com/trytrytryx3 trytrytry

    he will stand for 40-50 k first year…12 million breeding rights or so

  • Triplecrownquest

     If Baffert or Pletcher trained this horse…people would be talking 25 Million easy…Go get em IHA !!

  • Stevewonder

    That is the reason this sport is dying……the demand for these cheap speed horses!!
    Just look at how Australia’s breeding went to the crapper…..now with Frankel the miler getting so much hype how long before the euros start going to speed horses too!

    sadder than sad….

    For the record, I do not even consider 6 – 8 furlongs a horse race….
    we just wasted hundreds of years of breeding thoroughbreds….

  • Stevewonder

    Wouldn’t doubt for that cheap stud, the Japanese might buy him for big money….at least they are still breeding thoroughbreds…..

  • Guest_01

    $15,000 – $30,000?

    Isn’t Uncle Mo getting $35,000? Only won at 8.5 furlongs? LMFAO! no wonder I stop watching these quarterhorses

  • LauraS3514

    Sad, sad, sad.  Thirty years ago the one race breeders would give their
    first-born to win was the Belmont Stakes – The Test of the Champion and
    the stallion-maker.  A Triple Crown winner would have the highest stud
    fee and get the best mares for at least his first five years in the
    shed.  His yearlings would sell for big bucks.  Now, unless he was also a fabulous miler he’d probably be sold abroad to a country that appreciates a horse who can route.  Again, sad.

    Once upon a time, sprinters/milers were NEVER considered for year-end
    awards outside of sprinting – only horses that had proved themselves at
    ten furlongs plus (otherwise Ta Wee would have been a two-time Horse of
    the Year.  She was that good and that far above all others in her
    specialty).  Of course, now the Belmont Stakes is the only non-turf
    Grade I 12f race in the US. The only one.   Now, because sprinter/milers
    are what sell it’s the Met Mile that’s considered the stallion-maker. 
    Buyers want their investments to pay off quickly so it’s the
    two-year-old speedballs that everyone wants and who cares if they can’t
    get beyond 9f?  Eight to nine furlong races are no longer considered
    as middle-distance but as routes just because they’re around two turns. We’ve shortened many of our traditional route races to
    middle-distance 9f ones (Woodward, Beldame, Coaching Club American Oaks,
    etc.) and have only a handful of non-turf 10 furlong Grade I races left (Kentucky Derby, Travers, Alabama, Jockey Club Gold
    Cup, Hollywood Gold Cup, Santa Anita ‘Cap, Breeder’s Cup Classic,
    Personal Ensign) and half of those are restricted by age or sex so there’s no money in routing.  It’s all about the Beyer speed numbers and :21 or :22 and change.  (Does anybody realize that a horse who can keep up :22 quarters would run 8f in 1:28 and 10f in 1:50? Didn’t think so.  The :24 second “plodder” would be 2:00 for 10f and 2:24 for 12f.  Sound familiar?) I remember what a surprise Drosselmeyer’s wins in the Belmont Stakes and Breeder’s Cup Classic were. The Classic win shouldn’t have been: his record at 10f+ was 6-3-2-0 with the unplaced being a turf experiment that went awry. He was a true stayer who needed a while to get going. He just had no where to run.  Forty years ago he might have been a champion instead of a “who?”

    Sorry to be so long-winded but I feel pretty strongly that we’re headed to a breed of Quarter Horse wannabees if we’re not careful and this is just screams of why we’re getting there.

    Well, if he wins on Saturday at least I’ll Have Another will be wanted somewhere as a stallion.  It just probably won’t be in the US.

  • Really??

    Say what you want but I think he will be very valuable once everyone gets over the shock of having witnessed a TC winner in 34 years that is if he wins it.    IF he does,   I think he deserves to be the highest stallion out there , HOTY,  Eclipse Award for 3 year old in the male division,  and all the accolades he can recieve.

  • Stevewonder

    NAH, wasn’t it Real Quiet who lost the TC by a sliver of a nose and he was basically ignored at the breeding shed?  Value today is how fast you can make a quick buck and the breeders and buyers dictate the price. HOTY and all them Eclipse award are nice but the buyers today could care less if they can get big money at the breeding shed. 

    I wouldn’t doubt it if Bodemeister command a higher stud fee….

  • Stevewonder

    Laura, Couldn’t have said it any better. The proliferation of speed figs like Timeform and Beyer has contributed to the fawning over sprinters and miler. The #1 and #2 in the world per Timeform is a miler and a sprinter…give me a break!! absolutely absurb….We here in USA and down under are now breeding sprinters….How long can europe hold out with all the fawning over Frankel and Goldikova….Will Camelot have a higher stud value then miler Frankel if he wins the England’s triple…I doubt it…..True the euros are still breeding distance horses but how long before the pressure of quick money kicks in….Why bother to breed a Sea The Stars or Camelot when you can have a Frankel and made gazillions at stud….Why bother running the Derby (Epsom), King George 6, Juddmonte, Arc de Trioumphe….when you can keep beating he same competition at a mile?….

    The justification is “LOOK AT TIMEFORM, FRANKEL is rated higher than Ribot, Sea The Stars, Brig Gerard, Zarkava etc etc”

    Are these sprinters/milers great HORSES? YES….

    But THEY ARE NOT GREAT THOROUGHBREDS!!

  • Tinky

    You apparently have a serious misunderstanding of some fundamentals of horse racing. First, while Timeform incorporates speed figures in its assessments, their figures are far more than that.

    The notion that sprinters and milers cannot, for some reason, be considered “great” horses, is patently absurd. Distance versatility is but one variable in the equation that makes up great horses.

  • Stevewonder

    The misunderstanding I believe is in your part and most if not all of today’s fans.  Timeform’s neglect of distance in their rankings is absurb. Is Bodemeister a good horse? yes, is he better than I’ll Have Another? Yes according to Beyer speed figs but at shorter distances…but when a speed fig is mention in articles or news distance is never qualified. So new fans and those that think like yourself reads a 118 Beyer for Uncle Mo at 8 furlongs and somehow he is one of the favorite at 10 furlongs in the classic. 

    Pure hype and no different than Frankels hype of 143 ranking him better than Sea The Stars who won the 2000 Guineas just like Frankel and beyond. 

    Like I said, limited distance horses like Black Caviar or Frankel are great horses but they are not great THOROUGHBREDS….

  • Figless

    Has anyone compared Met Mile winners vs. Belmont winners at stud? I suspect the Belmont winners are superior on the racetrack, but not in the sales ring.

  • Figless

    I disagree he will not be worth more if he wins tomorrow, he will be a trophy items, folks will want to own his progeny so his stud fee will naturally increase. But there are negatives on this horse that caused him to sell for 11k and 35k and they will be reflected in his valuation by serious breeders.

    Trainer indicated he will run at four regardless which will impact his valuation as well.

  • Rachel

    Yup, that’s how Japan got Sunday Silence…no matter what he did, it wasn’t good enough.

  • Cass

     You have to have a good look at IHA pedigree.  There is no guarantee he will carry on his racing ability, we have only to look at horses such as Citation to realize this.  Even Secretariat himself
    although I absolutely take nothing away from this incredible horse and he was excellent on the broodmare side but you were not going to get a great racehorse from him.   For myself, I would need a few more Flower Alleys to come out before I would jump on that bandwagon at probably overpriced stud fees if he wins the Belmont 

  • race

    Go ahead Cass–spend your 30K on Uncle Mo–r

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/MyBig-Red/100000980578079 MyBig Red

    I think I’ll Have Another deserves more respect on the track and the future breeding shed. 
    As for my pick of Stallions, I’d go with Curlin or Shackleford before some of the current stallions that are available thses days. Both of them continued racing at 4 years old and stayed healthy & strong throughout their racing career. I’d much rather have a strong & healthy stallion covering my mares, so hopefully they would produce strong foals versus a stallion who had health issues or suffered injuries while racing. Fragile horses tend to produce fragile offspring. It is just common sense. Thoroughbred breeders need to step out of the box & bring in some “Fresh” bloodlines to the pedigrees. That is my opinion on the matter. 
    I pray everyone has a Happy Triple Crown Saturday!!

  • Tinky

    “So new fans and those that think like yourself reads a 118 Beyer for Uncle Mo at 8 furlongs and somehow he is one of the favorite at 10 furlongs in the classic.”

    Utterly ridiculous, and irrelevant.

    One can reasonably argue the relative merits of Frankel and STS, but to suggest that the former somehow isn’t great because he hasn’t won beyond a mile is ridiculous. There isn’t a serious, seasoned, professional observer of racing who would argue that Frankel isn’t great.

  • Anne Peters

     The Belmont Stakes has produced significantly better sires than the Met Mile in the last 20 years. Compare Belmont winners/best sires A.P. Indy, Thunder Gulch, Lemon Drop Kid, Empire Maker, Birdstone, Afleet Alex to Met Mile winners/best sires Holy Bull, Langfuhr, Honour and Glory, Wild Rush and Ghostzapper in the same time 20 year frame. The first time I ever saw the “Milers make the best sires” as an old adage was in an ad for Fappiano when he retired in 1981.

  • Rawhide

    If any of the big farms owned him they would already be touting his value; especially if he was by one of their big stallions. I’ll Have Another is kicking sand on the establishment. An $11,000 yearling as a top sire? Yes, why not? Seattle Slew was an inexpensive yearling too.

    Who knows. It’s nice for the regular folks to dream…..

     

      

  • Nucky Thompson

    And retiring with an injury at three is not going to help either.

  • Stevewonder

    Yes it is ridiculous because fans today are clueless. Irrelevant? of course not….these speed horses gets bet more than they should going longer.

    Frankel is “great” because of his hype and Timeform has a lot to do with it….anyone who believes that his 143 ranks him over real great thoroughbreds that has won from a mile to 16 furlongs at the highest level are new fans with no sense of history…..no one decades ago would even consider Aberrant nothing more than a sprinter…..As good as Miesque was in the mile and imo better than Frankel overall, she wasn’t talk in the same sentences as the past greats in europe…..

    A good example of this kind of ridiculous hype is Bodemeister…he was the favorite in the KD because he had a high beyer at 9 furlongs…..When IHA beat him….the excuses was loud and clear…Smith rode bad….IHA just got lucky…..and again the high Beyer Bodemeister is the favorite heading into the Preakness….then there was Quality Road who was also a favorite in the 2010 BC Classic who finished up the track…..or Rachel Alexandra who was passed by an allowance horse in the 10 furlongs Personal Ensign….

    No, Tinky…the hype today on these sprinters and milers are reinforced by speed figs and has nothing to do with reality….they get high figs at shorter distances and somehow that translate to running that good at longer distances when that is THE utterly ridiculous and irrelevant…..

    No wonder the aussies fans today think Black Caviar is the greatest horse they ever had….

    And people believe that Frankel will run in the Juddmonte per Sir Cecil when it is nothing more than hyping a horse…..pretending it can really run longer…..when it cannot!!!

  • James Staples

     Big Cy is one of the GREATEST EVER on this PLANET!!!…BAR NONE…ty… 

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