Updated: California Chrome Will Shuttle To Chile For Stud Duty

by | 03.16.2017 | 6:15pm
California Chrome at Taylor Made Farm
California Chrome at Taylor Made Farm

Reports from Chilean media Thursday afternoon indicated that multiple Eclipse Award champion California Chrome will shuttle to Chile for stud duty during the Southern Hemisphere breeding season. La Hípica reported the recently-retired son of Lucky Pulpit will stand at Haras Sumaya, located near Pirque. California Chrome currently stands stud at Taylor Made Farm near Lexington, Ky.

According to its website, Haras Sumaya stands nine stallions currently, seven of which are American-bred, including multiple graded stakes winner Newfoundland.

California Chrome retired the winner of the 2014 Kentucky Derby and Preakness, 2016 Dubai World Cup, and earner of over $14 million. His success over multiple racing seasons garnered him four Eclipse Awards, including two Horse of the Year titles.

Taylor Made Farm distributed the following press release late Thursday afternoon, confirming reports from earlier in the day:

California Chrome will shuttle to Haras Sumaya Stud in Chile for the Southern Hemisphere breeding season. The deal was brokered by Chile's Sullivan Bloodstock in conjunction with Taylor Made Bloodstock.

“California Chrome has generated a lot of interest from the Southern Hemisphere, so we agreed to explore the option of shuttling. We are very happy to partner with Sumaya Stud, and feel extremely comfortable that it's a great situation for California Chrome,” said Duncan Taylor, President & CEO of Taylor Made Farm. “This was a decision that was not taken lightly. Ben (Taylor) and I flew down to see several potential farms and did an extensive amount of due diligence, evaluating whether or not there was a situation that met a very high set of standards established by our entire advisory team and our shareholders. Ultimately, the health and safety of California Chrome, quality of facilities, experience of staff and reputation of the farm were all paramount.” 

Taylor Made Stallions personnel will accompany California Chrome during his time at Sumaya Stud, and a coordination of protocols have been established by Rood & Riddle's Dr. Charlie Scoggin & Dr. Rolf Embertson and the two on-location veterinarians at Sumaya Stud, led by Dr. Carolina Rojas. 

The newly-retired California Chrome is currently in the second month of his debut season at stud at Taylor Made Stallions in Nicholasville, KY, where he is standing for a fee of $40,000 stands and nurses. This summer after the North American breeding season concludes, plans call for California Chrome to enter quarantine before shipping to Chile.

  • cgriff

    Well, money is money. This is business. But I am not a fan of shuttling stallions. It doubles their workload (no matter how much fun you think their “job” is), it stresses them to move to new locations repeatedly and in recent memory several stallions who have shuttled to the Southern Hemisphere have had their lives abbreviated by one malady or another.
    That said – I’m no expert. But Claiborne and a few of the other old school breeding operations don’t shuttle and cap their stallions roster at reasonable numbers. But…money is money and I guess they need to ensure as much profit as possible in case Chrome doesn’t light the breeding world on fire like he did as a runner.

    • SunnyD

      As far as travel goes, you do recall CC travelled across the globe to race several times and from one side of the US to the other on numerous occasions?
      He handled air travel like the pro he is and sure didn’t seem to stress.

      In the first 3 years before his babies hit the track they need to do as much as they can to give him the best opportunities as a sire. Once his two year olds start running it gets far scarier for a stallion. These first crops have to be capitalized on- ride the hype while they can because if he doesn’t make a big splash, he will be sent off to a regional market or sold elsewhere. Kentucky is a big dogs market and Taylor Made is being very smart trying to set him up with the best possible start they can. Folks need to understand that as much as it’s a fan based sport, it’s still business and a solid beginning for CC will help him long term. He’s proven resilient, intelligent and sane, so the concept of shuttling him shouldn’t be alarming.

      • Horns Or Halos

        Not really, his little trip to England just about did him in. I saw him there more than once in person, and trust me, the poor guy was in terrible shape. You could see all of his ribs and he was very depressed. Poor Chrome just can’t win. Let the Champ stay in Kentucky and have part of the year off. He’s more than earned it.

        • trooper seven

          No, his trip to England did not “just about do him in.” He got a bruised hoof,something that could have happened in the US (Look at Lady Eli!), but before that he had gained weight and muscle–his photos looked great! Enough of this nonsense about depression and ribs! He doesn’t have Raul with him in Kentucky and he seems to be doing quite well. I’m agnostic about the shuttle to Argentina–Taylor Made will do their best to ensure both his physical/emotional welfare and his breeding future, and that’s all that can be asked of them
          .

          • Lehane

            The only way Taylor Made can ensure both his physical and emotional welfare and breeding future is by having him in their backyard. Simple really.

          • Carla Parrillo

            Lehane, ivthunjbwevare all trying to say this. How will wevl ever get the point across to the and ears and hearts that matter.
            As one our words are meaning less but add up all the fans like myself who contribute to this sport every chance we get
            Just look at the heatfelt responses these gmails get every day, NOT ONLY FOR “MY” BELOVED CALIFORNIA CHROME, but From every fan out there who falls in love with a horse and who becomes so drawn in by them that they get enough of them.
            Though not an American horse, even Winx has joined these ranks.
            (I’m surely not the only one trying to stay awake after midnight to catch her race here in 9th USA)the point is we need a voice without big dollar signs. But add up them all and our value should be more important on some level.
            At least we could hope for this to become a reality.

        • Always Curious

          He was a very, very tired horse when he got there from Dubai.

        • Arrogate

          He is not going to be in training after being tired from racing and shipping, he is going to breed mares. A job I’m guessing he likes a lot. Agree on the sentimental thought but that’s not what it’s about for the big farms. It is about maximizing return.

        • Pamela Mac

          Chrome’s trip to the UK strengthened him up. Took him off of all of the American medications. Made for a super 5 year old campaign.

      • cgriff

        Traveling as a race horse vs. a stallion is – to be cute – a horse of a different color. And I don’t agree that he traveled particularly well. 2014 was basically lost because the took him two Dubai and then onto England. He landed (and I grant you the England adventure was a fiasco from the get-go) back in Arlington underweight and totally frazzled. It took a substantial amount of time back at Taylor Made for him to get his groove back.
        But I do agree – they have a relative small window to make as much cash as possible. If he doesn’t pan out – it can get – as you said – scarier for a stallion.

        But you don’t see them shuttling Frankel, or Tapit, or Uncle Mo, or War Front or Giant’s Causeway do you? You want to breed to them – the mares come to them. Just saying – I don’t think it’s the ideal thing for a stallion. They don’t like to be moved. And the older they get, the less they like it. I hope it goes well for him, regardless.

        • Mrdannz

          Uncle mo shuttled to Australia.

          • cgriff

            Good catch – I stand corrected on Mo.

          • SunnyD

            If I’m not mistaken, Giants Causeway shuttled also…maybe not currently but he did duty in Argentina and Australia. I prepped a couple yearlings by GC in New Zealand and Australia while I was working there.

          • SunnyD

            Oh- And War Front also shuttles, to australia from Ireland.

          • David Sullivan

            War Front stands at Claiborne in Paris KY. He only “shuttles” from his stall to the breeding shed and back.

        • Debbie Webb Self

          Having just seen Chrome, I can tell you he looks great & farm life wears well on him. I also don’t believe Taylor Made would consider this if they thought it would be a problem for Chrome. He is also not the only horse going to the Southern Hemisphere for their breeding season….American Pharoah is going to Australia.

        • Carla Parrillo

          I watched a documentary on the Spanish dancing horses.
          One portion was on breeding.
          Thesecekegan purecwhute stallions are a precious to this equine community as ourbTB AND stallions are to us. They have a unique stuff process all done as nature intended.
          But some made and stallions just wernt attracted to each other. They just kept trying until the matches were made naturally.
          The point is they needed foals all the time to have replace- ments ready for retired or not chosen to be dancers.
          One thing they said in the narration they cannot all be dancer, If American ranchers experience a foal with every mare and male born they might all race but how many will be another CC, AP, BEHOLDER, MASTERY and so on. The purses will still come in but will they all be received the same way? Of course not!!!
          What does the racing industry need more right now popularity or high priced horses. What will happen to the horse if there are no tracks to race on?
          How much will the cost of shuttling hurt if the ranchers can’t present these foals to us to see on the tracks?
          I don’t claim to have all the answers but I still have strong instincs about the direction American ranching is heading.
          Wouldn’t it be a shame if a part Of history that developed our country dissapeared?
          Could the answer be to produce some new pedigree bloodlines to produce a new T B.

      • Melann Johnston

        This is stud duty, traveling for a race is different. It would put a lot of stress on his heart breeding in the US and then traveling across the country and then breed down there. Don’t they care about the horse’s health?? Nope, just money. Look at the mess he was when he came back from the UK!! He was sickly skinny

        • Lynnek

          How greedy can his connections get?

        • Always Curious

          I will guess that his heart will never be in better shape than it is right now. Stallions do die here of heart attacks. I just hope it is not something they continue to do. You get new blood in the line with one of those mares and that could be a very good thing. Some great horses may come out of it. I hope Taylor Made keeps things on the straight path. I really don’t think it will continue if he establishes himself as a good sire. Now they need to build his reputation. I want him to stay home too!

        • Pamela Mac

          Melann how greedy can you get. You claim to be the wife of a soldier yet you spend all of your time bashing horse owners. Have you ever worked to support a thoroughbred? How about working to support your hubby.

  • Rusty Shackelford

    BREAKING NEWS : California Chrome being deported……

    • Always Curious

      No, Rusty, he was made an Ambassador. He has a lot of horse sense which is lacking these days.

  • Ida Lee

    I’m hoping to see Chrome next week….and then he may be off to Chile….I’m hoping to see Pharoah next week and then he’s off to Argentina….What’s wrong with this picture??? I’ll just say this…it’s really, but really annoying ….

    • MLS

      They won’t go anywhere until the breeding season is done here. Probably leave in July.

    • Patricia King

      American Pharoah is to shuttle to Coolmore Australia, not Argentina for the 2017 Southern Hemisphere breeding season. I hope you get to see CC and AP before the shuttle south.

      • Ida Lee

        Thanks Patricia ….I knew that … don’t know why I said Argentina….maybe it was the shock of finding out both our special boys will be out of the Country….made the correction…I better get to see these guys…I hate traveling …. Lexiington is the only place I visit unless I’m absolutely forced to go elsewhere…

        • Mr. Blues

          Hi Ida, just read a post yesterday about a lady who visited both horse’s as well . In her post she spoke about how at where Chrome is you can actually put hands on Chrome and feed him as well so don’t forget his cookies. I would love to go there one day. Have a safe trip and give him some loving for me ..please …don’t forget to send out some pictures …..have fun

    • Julie L.

      They would shuttle later in the year. Our breeding season has just gotten started. I’m really not into shuttling stallions but it’s all about the mighty buck anymore and I don’t own any of these stallions so I have no say.

    • lastromantibune

      Ida …you better go because you might not see him back here.

      • Ida Lee

        Thanks ….(somebody remind me never to ask for this person’s advice if I’m feeling depressed) ….

        • Carla Parrillo

          I’m sorry if I was a mood killer with my last reply.
          I think you and many others know how I among many others feel about California Chrome. I can’t help to worry about him. I think I always had a cautious feeling for him when he left the Sherman ranch. I am feeling equally as concerned now.
          Not for me, but for his well being.

          • Wanda

            Ida, Art, Alan, Raul, Dihigi . . . so good with him. You could tell they loved him. It’s about trust, and Chrome no sooner gets to Taylor Made, and now they are going to shuttle him to Chile? It is confusing . . . the way it is happening. He’s only been there two months. What’s the deal?

        • lastromantibune

          Ida I did not mean to rain on your parade by any means…im a Chrome FAN from way back ……BEFOE HIS SA. DERBY WIN..but I am realistic….if he does not pan out you can bet your bottom dollar that’s where he will end up….simply a good biz move by his owners….lets all hope he hits a home run….

          • lastromantibune

            lmao…that was supposed to be “before”

          • Ida Lee

            It was very nice of you to notice my reaction to your comment. I know what you’re saying…One of the worse times I’ve had in this sport was when Macho Again was sold to Venezuela….to this day, I don’t know what happened to him…last info for Haras Gran Derby where he stood, is in 2013….if the Country can’t take care of their people who are starving, what will they do with the animals…I can’t stand to think about it….and my beloved Summer Bird sold to Japan and died there….I can go on and on….but Chrome and let me throw Pharoah in there who’s going to Australia, if they were sold, I don’t know if I can continue to follow this sport….

          • Bella

            Are we naive enough to believe if the price was right either wouldn’t be sold. I am edging to be finished with it all now, that would be it.

          • Ida Lee

            I wish I could say you’re wrong Bella….Unfortunately, we see these athletes as beautiful and charismatic creatures which you can’t help but fall in love with….to the owners and connections, no matter how much they care about them, they are and will always be a business. And yes, it either is sold out of the country, I will be following you out….

          • Carla Parrillo

            Please tell,me what can he do there that he hasn”t already done here and can continue to do. And does breeding always have to be by season?
            Why not just let mature take its course right here in our country.

          • Lehane

            Carla, in the racing industry breeding has to be done by season. I’m totally against shuttling stallions, as it is, it’s a stressful life for them let alone transport and change of environment and carers. These horses are super intelligent and are very aware as to what’s going on around them and they don’t like change. My guess is that because Chrome was not bred in the purple, his owners know that there is probably a limited market for him in breeding. Therefore, a deal was done with Chile. If only people knew how many offspring of top sires have been complete flops, and i mean no disrespect.

          • Carla Parrillo

            What does the term “not bred in the purple” mean. Only asking so I will understand a getca real clear in my mind what TM is striving for.
            I have feeling I do know but don’t know how to express it in equine breeding terms.
            My instincts tell me his blood line is becoming so obscure that they need to build new ones.
            OR, He only had limited blood lines. If this is the case and with the talent, intelligence love for the run adaptability to any surface presented to him, size speed paces and rating.wouldnt you want to see this be passed down to the next generation of TBs creating a NEW healthier line of TBs to the tracks created from the best of the best. Bred right here in our ownn country.romour own American horses
            From articles read our herds are getting smaller keeping tight blood lines will do this.
            If the TB association could only see through this a brand new line of TBs could become a reaity with growth to our American herds.

    • Carla Parrillo

      Annoying is not even close to how upsetting this is.
      Why would they do this to him. Well part of me knows what some of the decision comes from. Hasn’t he given enough. He still is making money for them and the state of KENTUCKY when you consider how many plan to visit an area of this country we might never have considered, only because we are motivated by this beautiful horse.
      I just sent info out to my group for family and friends to plan a trip together.
      Hoped to not only get to see him for myself but have my gransons tosee him too.
      Weren’t we assured as devoted fans the move back to Taylor Made was a good and safe place for Chrome to be.
      Why can’t they send the mares to us.
      Was Secretariat ever sent out of the country, no. He stayed with the teams of hu and who cared so much for him.
      This will change him for so many reasons. If and when we see him again he won’t be the Chrome we care for.
      And what happens with the language barrier. …and from experience I have witnessed, there will be.
      A neighbor took home a dog that was left by a merchant mafinbes ship. The neighbor worked at the docks saw him lost and adoptedhim.
      After weeks and mos with the dog. This o
      New owner thought he was dead because he would not respond to simple verbal directions.
      Through observation and finally a visit to the dogs vet, ii finally hit them what was going on. THE DOG COULD ONLY UNDERSTAND RUSSIAN. TOprove this they did get a person fluid in Russian to speak to the dog. Tales wagged ears perked up. The dog was so happy.
      Our neighbor kept him and with alot of patients and care and hand signals with verbal ones the dog began to learn English.
      Do we think that infd of patients and time will be given to CHROME. I have to wonder?

      • Pamela Mac

        Chrome speaks mostly spanish now.

        • Carla Parrillo

          All, as Al Sherman said he is so smart he knows how to read,I there’s he could learn foreign languages too.

      • MLS

        I believe most of us are in agreement when I say you really really need to seek help.

        • Carla Parrillo

          MLS I CAN ASSURE,YOU SEEKING HELP IS WHAT ALLOWS ME TO HAVE THE SENSE,TO REPLY WITH CONFIDENCE, RESEARCH ISSUES AS MUCH AS I CAN. BEFORE MAKING COMMENTS. ASK QUESTIONS, ONLY TO ADMIT, EVEN AT MY AGE,I CAN ALWAYS LEARN SOMETHING NEW.
          NOW GO INSULT SOMEONE YOU SHOULD, AND LETS GET BACK TO FOLLOWING. AND SUPPORTIN OUT OF LOVE. RACE HORSES AND THE SPORT THESE ATHLETES KEEP ON IUR MAP.

          • Lehane

            Good on you, Carla.

      • Ida Lee

        Carla, you’re “preaching to the choir”…..I hate it when any of our horses go to different Countries….I guess I put my fear of travelling on them…anyway, this happens a lot … it’s nothing new…but I’m sure it really, really pays for the owners…Chrome will go there for the Chilean breeding season …then come back…they did not sell him to Chile….although who knows? You can never say never. (If Chrome is sold to a foreign Country, I will never watch another race again.)

        • Carla Parrillo

          I appreciate learning that he can come back.
          You know how I feel about Chrome as much as you do as well.
          It’s unfortunate that some don’t get that and can read what I express regarding the well-being of these horses especially Chrome and place judgement on me for it.
          Some replies from unknowns have been cruel to say the least. That is okay.
          The comments and replies are there for us to express what we think or feel about the issue on hand.
          I’m alot tougher than I have been in the past. I have learned how to be tough skinned but not harsh or hard. 27 years in a trauma center can teach you that.
          I guess some will like what we post others won’t
          But I won’t back away when the welfare of these horses or any other animals are to be pointe out, or commented on.
          Ida thank you for all you have taught me and so many ways i have seen my knowledge has been on target. Will be back tomorrow! Have to start my corn beef.

          • Wanda

            No worries, ok? . . . about what others think, say, do. Not being harsh or hard is an achievement in today’s world . . . and thank you for your comments.

        • Bella

          I believe there are few you can trust in this business. I got drawn into Chrome and stayed with him these four years…but many times wanted to walk away with the losses on the track..Shared Belief was devastating..young horses and those tragedies, so much talk of the drugging, cheating,,,etc. Chrome was a bright spot amongst all the negative and he had all the charisma it took to make me a loyal fan. I really believed his future was secure when he found a home at Taylor Made. I can’t believe I was wrong. Or maybe I can, greed is always a destructive force.

          • Mr. Blues

            I left other sports to get away from the money games they do like give some so much money ……i hooked up with this only to fid out that the human side of this is no better

          • Bella

            Horse Racing has turned into a huge disappointment for me. I have learned too much about the “other” side. Lost trust in those I believed to be more involved with the welfare of the horse, and track losses of these beautiful animals, has left me with the knowledge that “Ignorance is bliss” and I really don’t belong being a part of the game. I love Chrome, he has been as joy to be able to follow his journey..he is an inspirational horse as proven by so many devoted fans, and all who worked with him absolutely love him.No one can predict the future, but he deserves better than to be shuttled here and there and overbred. Not my horse, But, I deeply care.

          • Mr. Blues

            I absolutely adore The Champ (chrome) . So happy I paid the price to see his last race ..Although I don’t like seeing him shipped out of the country, I here some of his people are going with him ..I have also read up on where he is going and it looks like its a nice place.
            But with what you wrote it sure does look like its all about money…I thought he earned them enough to really retire..guess not😟

          • Wheres_My_Bitches

            Figures that you’d be one of those nutcase “chromies”.

          • Ida Lee

            It’s very difficult to be a TB and horse racing lover…you watch because of the beauty and athleticism of this special animal but also have to put up with the horrible side of the sport. Unfortunately, we fall madly in love … we cheer like crazy people when they do well and go into horrible despair when they get hurt or worse…Is it worth it? sometimes I wonder. One of my biggest fears is that one of my beloved horses will be in a foreign Country and die away from home…When I was a young girl, one of the happiest moments of my young life was watching Secretariat race…on the other side, the most traumatic moment was Ruffian’s breakdown…could not watch a race for years or look at a horse for that matter. Right now, I can handle it a little better although yes Shared Belief was one of the harder ones to take and Lady Eli was really, really rough but look how happy we were that she fought for her life and won like the great Champion she is….so we take the good with the bad and hope for the best….I love the TB….it’s as simple as that…

          • Carla Parrillo

            This great sport can really take alot out of us. But we, or definitely I have discovered in me from following the races, a life lesson is to be learned by all.
            The lesson, I think is with every heartbreak, we become better individuals and do start to hang in there even after learning and witnessing the down side of this sport .
            This makes us stronger in dealing with the hurt, added to discover what warm, loving and caring individuals we are in regards to all living creatures.
            These equine angels are and continue to teach us this lesson. The hurt makes us want to standby and defend these horses at all cost. The joy makes loving these horses and be motivated to open our hearts to, sometimes one special horse like, Chrome to create one voice that we send out to him as if to nurture him with love always.
            I wonder how M. Reynolds is taking this news.
            I hope she is assigned to follow him to Chile to send stories and articles to him.
            If anyone could write a true biography of Chrome it will be her.
            She captured the love from all in her ” The Morning After” and tells us when it comes to California Chrome SHE REALLY GETS IT AND US!!!

          • Wanda

            I couldn’t agree more, and am heartsick. When is enough enough? These wonderful horses, who have given so MUCH, are treated as commodities. Yes, the GREED. I’ve seen photos of AP, and he doesn’t look the same. Did not have a good feeling about Taylor Made before, no matter what everyone wrote. . . . or is it the principal owner making these [money-making] decisions?? Does anyone really care about the horse (s)?? Well, I know of two people who do . . . Jerry and Ann Moss. All one has to do is take a look at their Beloved Zenyatta . . . right down to her trainer, John S., her groom, Mario, and her jockey, Mike Smith.

          • Wanda

            My thoughts, as well. Shuttled here and there, and overbred. What about the welfare of the horse? Are they just commodities? No. They are living, breathing, feeling creatures. They are entrusted to us for a time. They were never intended to be ‘money makers’ for humans.

          • Ida Lee

            Wanda, I know where you’re coming from…the TB is one of the most special creatures put on this earth. But, their only purpose is to race…it’s the only reason they’re bred and the only reason we have them. The TB being “pure bred” is why they look the way they do and perform the way they do and it’s also why they’re so delicate in spite of their size…as most over bred creatures, they may be beautiful but they have delicate constitutions and they’re emotional wrecks and high strung. Can you imagine a TB running with the Mustangs in open country with those legs? Basically, I’m trying to say that if we have to suffer for loving them, I can do it to a point.

          • Wanda

            Thanks, Ida Lee. This is a wonderful post. I feel the same as you. Incredible Chrome. Just love that horse . . . and all the other horses, too.

          • Ida Lee

            I’m leaving for Lexington today and will be seeing Chrome, Pharoah and many of our favorite boys (and some of our broodmares)….I’ll say hi for all of their adoring fans ….

          • Wanda

            Oh, please do, Ida. Please let us know how things are, and hope you have a good trip. Will be there with you, in spirit.

          • Ida Lee

            Got back today…Ladies and Gentlemen: Let me just say that Chrome is beyond gorgeous and a very sweet boy…I got to give him cookies and what a thrill that was….he is quite an industry at Taylor Made…they really know how to market him ….as to going to Chile, he will be well accompanied….and have the best with him …. I asked a lot of questions and asked if other people had contacted them with their worries about the trip …. we were told yes … quite a few….he will be well taken care of and be back in the end of the year….Chrome is big business to Taylor…it’s all about him…every person visiting was there to see Chrome…that’s it….P.S. Pharoah is bigger and photos don’t do him justice…he is spectacular looking…he’s like a Supermodel …. pose here….turn there…a really sweet face and beautiful intelligent eyes … Coolmore does not allow touching but they did allow all the photos we wanted and I got close enough for him to sniff my hair. They need to do better with this boy…no souvenirs, no handouts…most farms have photos, books, hats, buttons, all kinds of things ….at Darley, they’re free…

          • Carla Parrillo

            How I wish I could be with you!!!!

            Since this report surfaced and with so much anxiety, we the devoted followers just need to see him. One thought keeps crossing my mind. A well known expression is if I could be a fly on the wall? the things I could learn!!!
            In this case:. What I would give to be one of the HORSEFLIES in Chromes barn. So I could hide in his stall while I learn and listen. …

          • Carla Parrillo

            I is so uplifting to see how many of us see this sport and adore these horses with the same kind of heart.
            TBs must breed to assure that we not loose them by over breeding. We will anyway. In time the species will continue to weeken and eventually diss appear unless breeding rules,begin to,change. Sending fan loved horses like Chrome to other countries will not solve the TB shortage.
            The TB association needs to broaden their way of thinking and start realizing the breed will be lost if a larger variety of American bred horses need to be introduced are to the TB blood lines. Sending a horse like Chrome out of The country to breed won’t change the gene pool or strengthen it.
            In the mean time race tracks are also dieing from lack of attendance. Will that change if the racing association doesn’t step up and realize what fans fill the parks and seats to watch the,horses race. Some obesessive gamblers will get on a race even if it’s there last dime, then they have us, we will attend a race or find a casino to enjoy the atmosphere of The sport a little but just somehow come eye to eye to a horse we have come to love.
            We need our horses here improving our own crop until the future of racing and our horses becomes more secure.
            We need to start, for the sake of our sport and it’s athletes we need to produced and present on our tracks the best of the best on all racing issues. How do we as fans get this out to the people who need to listen and understand.
            Many like us Wanda want to bring positive ideas to the sport not negative ones. …and we want to live and protect the Horses, Jockeys, and even the owners and connections from becoming obsolete or lost because they could only survive with the help of a wealthy investor. We as fans should and could see ways to vacation and bring a different kind if good income to this industry and encourage Americans to enjoy America, too.

          • Wanda

            While I have always loved horses, and have owned horses in the past, I was not into racing until I found out about Zenyatta, and then, of course, Chrome. I, too, do not belong being a part of the game, and he does deserve better than being shuttled here and there. It’s just hard to see they are part of a business, when they were meant to just be a horse.

          • Carla Parrillo

            Wouldn’t it be nice if horse racing could also become an Olympic event. To get it away from the gambling.
            They crossed over To so many other events that we never expected . I would love to see the Olympic committees be the ones to save racing on all points tithe globe. What stricter rules and judgements could be made to follow then the Olympics. The rewards would be for valid ability talent and scores.
            They already have equine events why not track events without jumping.
            …maybe someday we will see it.

          • Carla Parrillo

            …as humans go. We are destroying this planet more and more every day. Follow any documentary and see how many endangered or already lost elements and resources are already lost forever or will be. And human greed is the biggest problem.
            I could go on forever on this subject. But I won’t.
            I like you and do many others are clearly upset over this decision regarding Chrome.
            …i am just one of the little people backing up this sport for the love and care of our horses.
            I never made it to a race but it is people like me and maybe you who fill the stands. …the bigb dollar. Signs should take care of this country and our tracks with our horses before they go sharing Champions like our beloved C Chrome with other countries. Bella, I think you Ida myself and so many like us have our hearts in the same place on this issue.

          • Bella

            I know we do. The frustration is we have no power to change much of what goes on in this industry, and the more I have learned following Chrome these last four years, I have only to believe it will eventually fold. I love these beautiful, noble thoroughbreds, but the overbreeding and the sad outcome for those who don’t make it in their races is too distressing. I also am bothered by the whipping on the track when the horse behind is just not able to go any faster. The hand rides are great, but few do that and those that do should be greatly respected. Much needs to change in horse racing . When the welfare of the horse becomes paramount instead of the almighty dollar, it may become a great sport again as in days gone by. Our first triple crown winner in 37 years should stay here and our beloved California Chrome should stay here , America’s horses.

          • Wanda

            Me, too. I am very sad about this, and skeptical. So much can happen. Times have changed.

        • Mr. Blues

          Dido

          • Carla Parrillo

            How amazing, we all read the same message from Chrome himself. And. Saw this from a distance or a TV,SCREEN.
            I am almost thinking we might,not let him go even from Chile. We will keep a watchful eye on what happens.,

        • Carla Parrillo

          I read a two statements. That still leave me uncomfortable
          Both made it pretty clear that Chile announced the decision before all meeting with USA committeesvwere don’t.
          The Taylor’s never had a chance to announce it to us.
          How can we trust Chile to kerpbtheir part of these aggreements.
          I am relieved that Taylor connection for Chrome will accompany him, I hope they are assigned to stay with him until he shuttles back to us.
          I again can’t explain why I can sense things but I have a real uncomfortable feeling about this country and Chrome. I also wonder what really sparked this move.
          I read a report regarding Chromed Progenies.
          Are they not pleased with his stud performance?
          You probably read it to.
          I am not accusing any one indiv. But The Chilean atmosphere leaves me concerned among other elements of that country.

          • Ida Lee

            Carla, I felt a little better after reading the precautions being taken by Taylor Made to protect Chrome. And Chile is more stable than many of the South American countries….so, let’s see what happens…Chrome is a national treasure to us as far as I’m concerned and I do hope they treat him as such.

          • Wanda

            I wonder about it, too.

          • Wanda

            I saw a video of the facilities on youtube. It didn’t appear to be of the same caliber as the accommodations he has now. And, there is only one person from Taylor Made going with him, Sebastian A.

          • Bella

            I thought several members of TM were going with him..and staying.

          • Wanda

            That’s what I thought, too. This is a person who is fluent in Spanish and English, and is a trained horseman. I hope he can get to know Chrome quickly. I’m not sure if he’s been introduced to Chrome, as I read he has just returned from Uruguay.

        • Wanda

          Same here. I’m even more done than when Chrome resisted at the Pegasus. He resisted on the way to the gate, and ‘at’ the gate. This was the beginning of the turn-off. Now, another situation.

      • Judoon

        You ask, “Why can’t they send the mares to us?” Because then a bunch of mares would have to be uprooted and sent to an unfamiliar place before being shipped back home. I’m not saying he should go, I’m saying I don’t get why you suggest that numerous mares should be shipped instead. Is it OK for them but not for him in your eyes?

        • There is also quarinte both ways (30+days) and by the time it’s all said and done probably 10k each for transportation

        • Carla Parrillo

          I don’t see bunches being transported, but selected mares from selective ranches.
          The females are only but a major part of the processing. Of. Stud season I still think it will be easier for the female then the males to send and settle in have their teams accompany the mates. Just as we will Chrome.. Its just geography.

          But my bottom line is don’t breed out of the country at all and let our herds here in the USA. Rebuild. Stop rebuilding the other countries and stay here.
          One day there will be less race tracks left because our horses bred here will dwindle in numbers more and more.

      • Diana

        This move will definitely hurt Chrome and I can understand Martin doing this but I really thought Taylor Made had Chrome’s back. Shameful

    • LongTimeEconomist

      There’s no way they’re leaving before June.

    • Dennis

      If the thoroughbreds would catch up to the presant times like the quarter horses they would be able to AI and ship seamen instead of risking the stallion by having to ship him

      • whirlaway

        Now that is too logical I do think it is time to consider this but will not be anytime soon in the TB world. I showed dogs for over 45 yrs and they not only now allow AI to avoid flying dogs to stud
        dogs on airlines that barely take care of humans let alone dogs but allow a certain amount of frozen semen, to be kept to be used for breeding even after a dog’s death.
        It is not a permanent situation but it allows breeders to use a dog for litters after his death into other generations the semen, must be kept stored in required locations and just another way to charge for services and thus far no problems have occurred and it
        has been in practice for some years. I am not advocating that procedure for horses but
        hopefully in the future other options will become viable.

        • Carla Parrillo

          I learned that breeding thoroughbreds this was is not alliwed, UNLESS that is only here. In the USA.
          Will and we should call the shots on procedures like this while he stands Chile?

          • whirlaway

            That is definitely not allowed with TB and I don’t see it changing in the future
            although the TB is just about the last equine to not permit this. There are pros
            and cons with the practice as with anything and articles if interested to be read.
            I have a friend that use to drive from California to Midwestern and eastern coast to
            breed her show dogs to stud dogs she liked as she refused to put her dogs on a plane.She was very relieved when AI and a system became available. I got to the point when I was showing dogs I would no longer fly to shows big
            dogs must go down in freight and there have been too many mishaps. When I bought my first King Charles Spaniel from a friend in the west she would not send the 4 month old puppy on the plane alone. Because the dog was small enough to
            be carried on the flight with her which is allowed she flew with the puppy to bring her
            to me at her expense. That beautiful darling dog shared my life for 13 yrs. Now that
            is a concerned breeder plus she did very few litters and did not have too many dogs
            which often happens.

          • Carla Parrillo

            Not to go off track but you breed one of my top of the list dogs.
            Living. To 13years is incredible. I know they can run into heart problems but so do other breeds.
            If I were to go for a smaller than large but above miniature size dogs The King Charles would be my choice. Not too many breeders around R I. I’ve looked.
            When you were breeding did you alternate from one female to the next so they skip a heat then breed during the next one?
            I read something that again leaves me with many questions regarding the horse breeding process.
            …Getting a mare into foal takes place only weeks after the last foal is dropped during breeding season. There has to be something wrong in this scenario.
            Why would veterinarians allow this to be done?

          • whirlaway

            I have not bred King Charles, my first we found the heart murmur at about 6yrs and
            luckily it took many years to progress she was spade when I was done showing her
            as I knew I was not going to breed her even though when she became bored with dog shows she was close to her championship. The second I have is almost 7rs old
            and she is heart clear but even though she was shown by her breeder before I got
            her she was attacked by a Cairn Terrier at a show that left her unhappy about going
            to shows so I got her when she was 2yrs old and her breeder decided to spade her
            which was really for the best for her. Both were shown and they were show quality
            but life will go on without them bred and both were gorgeous to look at. I showed
            dogs over 40 years just bigger breeds and the breeders that are responsible do not
            breed litters back to back and honestly I feel two litters is all any dogs need that is
            enough. I would prefer to give a mare time off from a foal sometimes but even in nature mares often breed back with a foal at their side where humans are not involved. But I forget to say I had big breeds my entire life and as I got near retirement I wanted something smaller but not tiny. The king Charles is really
            smart easy to train and very Spaniel like they are sweet and their families are
            everything to them. Beware they will run the house if they get the chance and
            I do make mine behave as they travel everywhere with us so they are well trained.
            I say they are spoiled all my dogs have been but not spoiled rotten there is a difference. Many king Charles excel in obedience and agility but they need a soft
            touch because they are a sweet soft dog.

      • Wanda

        Right on, Dennis . . . and look what happened to Chrome when he was shipped to England. I do have to give Taylor Made credit for getting him back to being in good health again. Maybe they are having to go along with what someone else wants??? Just maybe they have put all the safeguards in place to keep Chrome safe. I hope so. It’s all a shock because it was my impression that is where he was going to be . . . Just how much shuttling is he going to have to do a year . . . and how long is the flight? Still, this is very unsettling news. Still, it seems the $$$ is so important.

        • Carla Parrillo

          Only in the eyes of some. The $$$signs come first. Lose Chrome and the dollar signs are gone.
          I just wish I didn’t have this deep gut feeling that we are not being told everything that initiated this change of heart and turned the tables on Chrome as they have.
          C Chrome after all is the one life we are all concerned over.

          • Wanda

            I know. First, it was ‘we are so proud to have Chrome here’ and next thing you know . . . he is going to be shuttled to Chile to breed. One breeding season isn’t enough. Let’s get more, and say how good it will be for Chrome. Right.

    • Carla Parrillo

      How long will he e in quarantine before moving out.
      My Hope was to get to Taylor Made by July. He has arrive by July.
      So I hope to change plans for June. I’m trying to arrange this as I mentioned so my grandsons, my son(their dad) and their would be there. Especially the kids. One of them adores animal.
      If I have to move up the trip. I will not go to Kentucky Derby but come out there after.
      How much before June will he need to Quarentine.

  • Kevin Callinan

    Taylor Made’s a smart outfit and Chrome’s earning window could close quickly w/o early success. Scat Daddy had did well down there- hopefully Chrome can do the same.

    • cgriff

      Let’s hope. Harlan’s Holiday did very well as a shuttle stallion to Argentina, right up to when he was euthanized there from prolapsed intestine and rear end collapse post breeding.

      • Arrogate

        That was an unusual death for Harlan. But that said, the shuttle to SA is usually handing your horse over for the season, not like Darley and Coolmore factories that often send grooms back and forth and have clockwork routine and feed if possible between the hemispheres and all contained within their own operation.

        And yeah, it’s a bidness.

      • Kevin Callinan

        Scat Daddy had stopped going there a few years earlier. They had a Grade 1 stake a few years ago where he sired the first four finishers.

      • Carla Parrillo

        That is a frightening thought. For someone like. i me the breeding protocol is frightening at best. Reading something like that not encouraging
        .

      • trooper seven

        And Shared Belief died at 3 years old. Not a ringing endorsement for racing, wouldn’t you say?

        (sarcasm off)

      • Rachel

        Exactly what I was thinking…
        One of my all time favorites, Silver Train, died from colic while shuttling back to USA.

  • ctgreyhound

    Overseas travel has its benefits & downside; no guarantees in life. When I think of shuttling one stallion always & forever will come to mind: War Pass.

  • Mary Hoffman

    Uncle Mo did go to South America in the past. Don’t know if he still does. Does anyone know?

    • Patricia King

      Uncle Mo actually shuttled to Coolmore Australia back in 2012. Coolmore also shuttled Zoffany from Coolmore Ireland for the same breeding season. Uncle Mo has stood now at Coolmore Ashford for the past 4 plus years.

      • BeastBob

        Like Galileo, Uncle Mo’s first crop in Australia didn’t even come close to the success he had with his first crop in North America. I don’t think we will see Uncle Mo shuttling to Australia again.

        • Patricia King

          I think you are correct, his crop has not faired to well down under. He does have a 4 year old son, Man From Uncle that has done well just recently in sprint type races.

  • One of those things that make you go hummm

    • Arrogate

      How’s that? First shuttle stallion you’ve ever heard of?

    • tony a

      I thought that was a Mazda?

  • Melann Johnston

    I knew it would happen, as soon as American Pharoah was announced I had a feeling the greed from the owners would rear their ugly heads. Please Please don’t send Chrome there. One breeding season is enough!!

    • Pamela Mac

      It is so sad to me Melann that so many people will not allow this wonderful horse a future. To be the sire of sires. The ugly greedy Chromies! Off with their heads!

    • Lehane

      Agree, one breeding season is enough. No wonder some serving stallions die from exhaustion and it’s also a very solitary life for them.
      Artificial insemination is the answer and before I get attacked, yes I’m fully aware that there could be problems there but in my view it has got to be better than the archaic model of breeding in the horseracing industry.

  • carole

    I keep telling myself that horse racing is a business. But, that does not mean that I have to like or accept “the plan” for California Chrome. After all, I think we all agree that he is intelligent, has “personality plus”, achieved great things, and made a great deal of money for his owners. However, he is an animal, and he deserves to be surrounded by his “peeps” and the people who love him. Just what is the endpoint money wise? How much more does he have to earn to satisfy this group? And, let’s face it, we do not know how well he will adjust. I personally think that he would be heartbroken. His personality would change. I would like to see him retire to “California” where he belongs! I’m sad.

    • Marilyn Shively

      I am sad too

    • Mr. Blues

      NOT RIGHT…..CAN’T BELIEVE IT ! …
      Taylor made i have a feeling you are going to regret this move……

      • Arrogate

        Yes I’m sure less time with Chromies this summer will be a regret at TM.

      • lastromantibune

        all the way to the bank

      • Carla Parrillo

        I don’t just have a bad feeling about this. I am sure it will be a bad move for Chrome!. California Chrome has nothing to benefit from this decision.
        But the pockets of all involved will be nice and full.
        Taylor Made left an impression with me that what made them one of the best was because the are not the biggest or wealthiest. Extending their facilities to attract us to visit and vacation this part of the country makes so much more sense.
        What happened to being proud of Chrome’s humble beginnings?
        There is so much to be learned from that.
        Some of us might just be only meger fans but we were promised he would be loved and cared for. After all he has given to us is this what he deserves? This doesn’t sound like that if they are willing to risk shipping him out there and all for profit.
        This is one time the big business committees taking part in this decision should use their hearts first, instead of money making mathematics.
        Please KEEP CALIFORNIA CHROME HOME!!!

        • tony a

          Please buy him and keep him in your front yard!

          • McGov

            Bahahaha!…….sorry….I almost spit my coffee ALL over my computer there for a sec…
            I’m thinkin…..maybe notta so bad to travel a bit and get some sun and fun. Not as if he’s racing…ummmm….he’s shaggin folks lol. Pretttty sure he can handle this one lol.

          • Lehane

            Just goes to show how little you know about the life of a broodmare stallion.

          • McGov

            That’s true…..
            But I’m thinking super awesome feed program and appropriate supplements and keeping finger on the COMPLETE pulse….other than that, he’s mating…..what else is there really? Does his sperm count drop or something if he is too busy?
            I mean, he’s not being asked in any athletic sense… that I’m aware of…..nudge nudge
            As a male, that mates, I’m not seeing the problems. Now, if I was asked to get off a plane and race here and get on a plane and race there…..TOTALLY different…..in my ignorant opinion. ;)

          • Carla Parrillo

            And. Isn’t this the point, he livedcracing and running. They took that awy from him, so tell me why he can’t RACE and stud. I see so many horses in the track going in that direction successfully. why not for Chrome too. Look at Tap it and Run Happy aren’t these perfect examples of this.
            …and breed our horses with the best to come on both tasks.

          • Lehane

            Remember what happened with him in his final race, the Pegasus.
            It was incredibly lucky that he didn’t break down, imo.
            His racing days are definitely over.

          • McGov

            Well, I don’t know a whole lot about stallions and management of them concerning breeding….but I HAVE seen what becomes of a stallion after they start…..they are difficult to manage and especially around females.
            If you were to race them and breed them it would be a nightmare for everyone involved and not sensible regarding safety.

          • Carla Parrillo

            If I could and beat all prices offered I would in a heart beat. There are at least 3 places I could give him to live. If they were to be good for him too.

    • Guest

      His personality would change? I take it you work with him very closely?

      • Bev

        I guess you didn’t follow Chrome. YOu were probably following American Pharoah. WELL, I had no time to follow AP on his crown journey. Was too worried about how sad, dull looking, skinny Chrome was in UK. He wasn’t spunky and happy. Was in a barn by himself far from the others…..which was on a MARE farm. He’s not used to that kind of life. He wasn’t shiny anymore. Rae said all he did was sleep. DEPRESSED. Most horses hate when owners take them out TO ride. They just do it and want to get away after and put back In their stalls. CC wasn’t raised like that. He’s very people friendly and needs to have people around him. When they send him to UK…..or to chile….they’ll pull him out when needed. Put him away after. No contact and that darn near killed us watching Chrome sink so low when he was in UK. ALL because his team wasn’t with him. HIS GROOM. Having that ONE person who KNEW how to feed him, bath him, talk to him and walk him, care about him…….makes a HUGE difference and THEY KNOW IT. Send his groom with him. THAT is all they have to do. ALL countries are nothing like America. WE love our pets. Communicate with out pets. Pat our pets. Talk to them. THEY don’t do that over sea’s. It’s ALL business over there. and put them away. I DO have a feeling this is going to be bad for CC. He did NOT do well in UK. He trained hard cause he was told to. THAT is all. No heart in it. Was lethargic. Unfed. Lost weight. Worked hard and had no muscle or weight to afford to lose. WAS SAD to see. AND all our media will back me up when I say ………when Chrome came home to USA and got off that van……200+pounds lighter……skinny, ribs showing, looking dazed. Not happy like we know him…..the media commented on it. AND know his groom should have went with him. Was a total embarrassment to USA to see our HOY look like that. Unshiny. dirty, underfed. wounded. the ones who say that trip did so much good for him…….are brain dead preppies who have no clue. Chrome was used, abused and paid a heavy price for it. When he saw Anna and Raul in Chicago….is the first time he seemed not shy…..came out of his shell again and felt loved again by Raul. Got a full bath finally from anna and raul. Was a sad sad thing sending Chrome to UK with out his personal handler. BIG tragic mistake. NOW THIS.

        • trooper seven

          You still need to get a grip.

        • Bev

          You know what…… a vision of what Chrome looked like when he came back to the USA. after he was sent to UK with no groom or team…. skinny and no shine, dull eyes…..just passed by my eyes. AND you know what…..I’m not watching this happen again. THEY can stay in denial and say THAT WAS A GREAT TRIP FOR CHROME all they want. I SAW. The Media Saw. THAT was not how we treat our HOY. Abandon him in a strange country with strange ways, strange food, no baths just spot baths?? NO, I wont’ watch that again happen to THIS horse. Send a groom with him. It’s sick if you don’t.

          • trooper seven

            You STILL need to get a grip.

          • Lehane

            No she doesn’t, she’s spot on.
            What Taylor Made needs to consider is that California Chrome wasn’t just owned by his legal owners, but by the American people who absolutely adore him and I don’t have to explain why they do.
            He was not born in the purple and proved how unique he was to have done so well.
            In my view, it’s another slur on racing.

          • trooper seven

            Wrong. Chrome is owned by his legal owners and no one else. That’s the way life is.

          • Lehane

            You seem to have missed the point which many other commenters have expressed on this page.

          • Wanda

            So, is this another Martin thing . . . like, when Chrome was sent to England, and it wasn’t good for him, and he came back underweight?
            And, then was sent to Taylor Made, and he received rest and relaxation??

          • trooper seven

            “Another Martin thing?” One would hope that people who profess, with great clamor, their undying love for Chrome, and rail, with undying venom, against the owner who cared for him and paid forhis foaling, boarding, training, hay and oats for years, would at least know something of Chrome’s life outside of their delusions. Chrome is now owned by around 15-20 people under the name California Chrome LLC. Both Taylor Made and Perry Martin sold shares to those people from their shares of the ownership. Martin is down to at least 20% and probably 10% of ownership and doesn’t make decisions anymore. At best, he and Taylor Made decide together.

          • Minneola

            Trooper seven’s reply to you is exactly correct. Martin’s vested interest in Chrome has been diluted with the additional investments that were sold to others. Hard to pinpoint whose decision this was but I would bet that it was one that had the weight of more of the owners of Chrome.

      • Carla Parrillo

        Maybe that’s what they want.
        I read or heard somewhere a report or interview that he gets distracted and moodie when he doesn’t get to check thing out . so what he is still young and if he missed the peek of stud season I have. Every belief that once he figured out his work, as he did with racing he would give us. The best of The best in him. .

    • Kevin Callinan

      come up with about 50 million and you can take him where ever you want.

      • Arrogate

        You could buy about three Chromes for that;-)

        • Kevin Callinan

          he is standing for 40K and by shuttling he is liable to see 200 mares- that’s 8M a year.

          • Carla Parrillo

            But do we get him back at some point? Did this ever happen to his father?

          • Arrogate

            He is not commanding anywhere near a 40k fee in Chile.

          • LongTimeEconomist

            He won’t get 40K per cover in Chile.

      • Lehane

        The broodmares can go to him, as is the case with Frankel et al.

    • Bella

      Chrome is the one horse that after watching him for the last four years, will absolutely be affected with this kind of change. He has been handled and loved by the same people since he was born….his transference to Taylor Made involved his constant companions, and they seemed to have been dedicated to him also. I guess I misread their intentions, because I , perhaps foolishly felt he had a lifetime home there at Taylor Made. In my unrealistic view , I was wishing that and set side the “business”. Believing Chrome had made enough money, believing he was such a great part of the American dream that his life was secure in those pastures he loves to play in at TM. I will be very disheartened if this plan takes place.

      • Carla Parrillo

        I am coming from the same kind of heart as you.
        We were reassured that Taylor Made Farm would be the best place for him.
        …and just what I just expressed. This wonderful loving creature was given to them and returned love and luck on so many levels.
        This decision should be made from ntheir heart noit the size of their wallets.
        He is still bringing them profit juyst staying at TM. I would bet alot of fan likes myself will be making plans to vacation at the ranch facilities and resorts just to visit him and experience the beautiful places where he comes from. This means he is still turning a profit for them as well as drawing visitor to the state he !Ives in Kentucky.
        Iam so discouraged and heart broken by this news.

        • Bella

          Chrome has a special personality and intelligence that we have seen for so long. His love of being photographed and his love of peoples adoration has been unique for all of us who gravitated to his charisma and remained the most loyal fans I have ever seen. Taylor Made gave us videos of his happiness running in his paddock, his visitors giving him cookies….made us feel confident he had a home for life. He has given so much, yet it seems , not enough. Let’s hope this doesn’t happen. I feel discouraged too, as well as disappointed. Knowing others will say its a business, others “It’s just a horse” But, when you have spent most of your life with horses, and you love them like family, you cannot stop caring about them…even when they don’t belong to you.

          • Bev

            Chrome was MADE smart by Team Sherman. BECAUSE they loved him, played with him, got his trust, and LET him be a ham. HE could not pull any of that off over seas. IN England they don’t PLAY with horses. STRICLTY for racing. NOBODY over seas, treats horses as pets. WE all Spoiled Chrome and he will once again be LOST in another country not even getting a REAL bath. He was spot bathed in UK until Raul got over there. THEN CC showed spirit then showed deflated depression AFTER they visited him and left him alone again. We saw CC drop close to 200 lbs, he was NOT shiny, he was dirty , depressed and uncared for. ONLY basics is what they do in Europe for their horses. RIDE the heck out of them and put them away. NO bond from what I saw. WE all saw what he looked like when he came home and MAD was not the word we all were. To see our HOY…..in that shape and so depressed he had NO personality. Stood in a daze like ALL the horses in Europe. Sadest thing I ever saw in my whole life. Our HOY treated like that and then wounded when he never even had a toothache or hangnail before. I can’t imagine him going over seas with NO TEAM AGAIN.

        • Pamela Mac

          Who exactly was it that reassured you?

          • Carla Parrillo

            I receive mutiple replies when I expressed my concerns about the physical stress and the emotional stress breeding gets into for the horses. Every time I see the numbers it astounds me and I am aware of the. Danger these horses can be in. I was told more then once T M was the best place he could be. I have to wonder now ?

          • Pamela Mac

            Who assured you and why in the world would they have to?

          • Carla Parrillo

            The reassurance was liable an one I trust in these matters.
            I think we were all fooled.
            I wonder if the Sherman ranch sensed this happening, or were they left in the dark until the last minute too?

          • trooper seven

            Sherman doesn’t have a ranch. He was Chrome’s trainer. He never had an ownership interest in Chrome, and any interest he has now , if he has any, was given as part of a bonus for his training work.

          • Lehane

            Carla, unfortunately trainers have no say once a horse is retired from racing. The only exception is if they are part-owner themselves.

        • Bev

          I know MANY breeders love Chromes Pedigree for who is in it. Quality RUGGED sound pedigree. So having a stallion you do want to make money breeding and also getting his babies out there to do GREAT and up Chromes value as a stud, CHILE is what bothers me. TWO years ago it was mentioned that WHEN CC retires to STUD he might go to Australia. They will pay big bucks for Chrome to breed there. There’s many breeders with mares for Chrome over in Australia. They won’t BUY CHROME…..just let him breed there for the two months. BUT CHILE? NEVER ever heard of a Chilean breeder or facility OR even heard of a horse from Chile entered in a race here in the USA or UK or Japan OR DUBAI. WHAT is up with CHILE. THAT scares me. He should go to GOOD top A + real breeders, to share his pedigree. ………..CHILE I never heard of. EVER. I’m as old as the hills too. NOT a young kid. I never heard of a famous Chile stud farm.

          • Carla Parrillo

            All the above posts and tell!ies you have here are only confirming my owe fears.
            There are few countries around that believe in the same qlaity and respect for life, especially in regards to animals. I’m not saying all other counties ,but like you I have experienced the differences. From a young girl with immigrant grandparents, too as a young girl working with international programs that brought foreigners into our country. I saw the differences in how they perceived even the domestic pets . I want to believe that Chrome will be cared for. But you are right. This could change him. I had plans to visit him this summer in ghopoes tohavemy grandsons there.
            I have a feeling the owners that are controling this move were expecting this reaction from the Chrome fans. …then we should voice what we are feeling. This horse brought our country together in a way we never expected. He is our peace ambassador.
            When they referred to this as shuttleing does this mean he will be sent back to us. Or are they referring to the means of transportation.
            Just because there are other American stallions out there why would the most famous one join some we never heard of. I’m out if words this whole thing is so disturbing.

          • Guest

            This horse brought our country together? Riiight.

          • Lehane

            Carla, shuttling means that the top broodmare serving stallions usually are flown from the northern hemisphere to the southern hemisphere (e.g. Australia). With Chrome, he’ll spend time in Chile serving mares for a certain part of the year and then back in America to serve there. I think it’s about time that (worldwide in the racing industry) there should be a limit on the number of mares a stallion serves per annum for the shuttling stallions and per season for the stallions that stay at home in their country.

          • Minneola

            With the new administration, in Washington, there seems to be a slant toward less regulation of businesses. I am not intending to make this a political statement but one that might explain why having a limit on the number of mares that a stallion can be bred to will not occur. However, I do wish there was such a limit.

          • Lehane

            “then we should voice what we are feeling”
            Exactly, Carla.

      • Pamela Mac

        Chrome was handled and loved by Harris Farms for two years. These are not the people of which you speak?

      • Melann Johnston

        The Sherman’s have had him the longest but not since birth. I agree with your thinking though, he doesn’t travel well and this is just a big mistake. I know he will be taken care of. Let’s just hope that he takes to Chile better than he took the being in the UK. That was a disaster.

    • Carla Parrillo

      I’m very upset to find this news. I just started making plans with some friends to go to Taylor Made to visit him and spend the vacation in that area. I feel my heart breaking already.
      If I were Taylor Made I wou!d make sure someone stays with him until he can come home.
      I would never just Leave him in anyone’s care without Taylor Made supervision.
      Maybe we are just fans but this was t the assurance we received when they decided to retire him.
      I will be praying that they reconsider this decision.
      They must have had some hesitant thoughts to have already looking at the races.
      What you also said is so true. I know in my heart he will. Be lonely and heartbroken.
      Didn’t the media keep telling us to be at Taylor Made Farms was a good move that no one would take better care of him.
      Hasn’t he given enough?
      Time will tell but maybe their board should not encourage this.
      He is our Emabassador and should remain so.
      You are also right. It should be always be about dollar signs.
      Besides don’t we have a shortage of foals and thoroughbreds here , why should. We send our prizes champions there.?
      Why can’t they send a few horses to us?

      • Pamela Mac

        Great title to a book. The Ambassador to no where.

      • Wanda

        Gone are the days when they stay for life . . . like Secretariat at Claiborne. He had the same groom there for ten years. Before that, he had Eddie Sweat. Now, it’s money, money, money, money, money, money . . . and on and on.

    • Bev

      now don’t go getting your imaginations going. Only makes it worse for you and others. Lets LISTEN to the plan. ME….I didn’t know Chile even DID racing horses. NEVER heard of one showing up.

      • Carla Parrillo

        Io agree with you here that we should listen to and understand the plans before we find fault with it. But it only because we love this horse. For what it’s worth, he loved us too.

    • Lost In The Fog – Robert Lee

      Chrome is not and never has been a “pet”, he’s a racehorse. His owner(s) saw him as a business proposition from the start, which in that specific regard makes them no different than many of their peers, and their affection for the horse was no greater than that displayed by many other owners. His trainer and staff did an excellent job preparing him to race and Chrome was exceptionally well cared for. The same can be said of many top trainers and thoroughbreds. And all of the above were well compensated financially for their investments and training efforts. I’m not criticizing any of that.

      Perry Martin kept Chrome in training and on the track through 2016 and the 2017 Pegasus for business and financial reasons – which he had every right to do – but that morphed into “he was doing it for the good of racing and the fans, and why don’t other owners do that too?” The simple truth is that Martin couldn’t get the figure he was looking for to send Chrome to the breeding shed earlier, so he rolled the dice and won when Chrome delivering a terrific 2016 on the track, collecting big purse money along the way, while simultaneously increasing the value of the horse’s breeding rights. In swooped Taylor Made, Martin received a bigger check and now Chrome is in the breeding shed in Kentucky for the U.S. season and soon to be in Chile for the South American season.

      It was always about business, from the beginning. That is the way it’s done. Taylor Made and Martin are going to maximize the revenue potential of their investment. That’s the business they’re in, not the hobby of having a “pretty pony” in the backyard. Only the most naive of those who bought into fairy tales should be surprised or shocked at this development. And there’s no logical justification for the hysteria voiced by some about this. Chrome will be exceptionally well cared for, whether he’s in Kentucky or Chile, if for no other reason than to protect the investment. Relax, Chrome is going to be just fine…

      • Carla Parrillo

        The fact that he qualifies higher on the curve then a home pet is clear enough. But equally as important to a breeder with champions of any species Where does it say that bred for profit animals should be disregarded as a loved, living, being.
        Chrome gave back over and above what was expected of him.
        So as animal rights and advocats go when does maximizing the investment stop. When he drops from exhaustion during the stud act. Or when he is no longer a value to those pockets he filled.
        If I sound harsh then good.
        Concern for this horse is everywhere. Its not a fairy tale for some it’s knowing he will be pushed to his last breath as long as he makes more money for them.
        When do the people, who are supposed to care for him, give back to him.
        Secretariet was given a time and place to retire and be free and content., Barbaro inspite of his injury was given a quality of life inspite of his inability to ever make a profit for his owners again who did all to make him well again at all costs.
        The reason they lived as they did. Without turning a profit was because their connections and owners knew they gave their all and now it’ was their time to receive from the owners etc.
        Why do I have a feeling Chrome will only be cared for as long as the profits keep rolling in.
        Will he be lost in the shuffle like so many until it is too late to see him as happy as he has been these last few months.
        Are some of us getting upset and concerned for him, because, we see the humanity or inhumanity of so much that is being done. They, care and protect their profit.
        We as fans want to protect an amazing animals who touched hearts all over this country.
        Just making sure our investments are protected too. Our hearts and emotions for this fantastic horse California Chrome.

        • Lost In The Fog – Robert Lee

          You are living in a fantasy world populated by larger-than-life heroes and villains, hysteria and anthropomorphization. Chrome is being very well cared for and that isn’t going to change while he’s in Chile.

          • Wanda

            I hope you are right. The facility in Chile looks nice. Just don’t trust the principal owner.

      • Wanda

        Yes, just like he was fine in England?

  • Always Curious

    I just hope to God they don’t send him to China. Anyone know for sure if the China Horse Club has a share in him?

    • Arrogate

      They do but he will not go to China. They own interests in a few stallions in US and Europe.

  • David Worley

    I think Taylor Made is a very business smart organization and has done EVERYTHING possible to maximize Chrome’s stud impact. Cashing in early with him is (obviously) essential because his stud value will likely go downward within the 5-10 year range. That said, providing him with really good mares early on may lessen the decay curve on his stud value. So, in other words, this is a smart move both to monetize his fame, and to gain him better mares than he deserves (thus propping up his record).

    Chrome is a freak of nature on the track, a statistical deviation from his breeding line norm, and I think it is very unlikely that he will pass on his talent to most of his offspring. I hope I’m wrong, but the probabilities are not in his favor.

    • David Worley

      And one more thing. The best value on the Taylor Made farm is not Chrome. In an apples-to-apples comparison, I think Taylor Made’s Northern Afleet (if provided the same set of mares) would be as (or more) successful than Chrome. Northern Afleet stands at $6,500 and (I think) is one of the very best values in the stud world (1/6th the price of Chrome).

      Does anyone know why Northern Afleet is only at $6,500? He seems to be a legitimate $10-$15K stud to me.

      • Kevin Callinan

        was 10K but he is 24 now

        • David Worley

          The Taylormade website has him listed at $6,500 up from $5,000 in recent years.

          • Kevin Callinan

            I know he was 10K in 2010, we took a look at him. He is nearing the end but as you said, always underrated commercially.

      • Arrogate

        He is old and not commercial sales sire. But he sires a useful hard knocker racehorse.

        • David Worley

          Okay that helps me understand the price a little. I am impressed by how often I see solid allowance level horses (at top shelf tracks) sired by Northern Afleet. They seem to be sound, long-lasting, athletic horses. I have always liked his offspring and he seems to consistently pass on his talent and get a few stakes caliber horses in there too. For $6,500, what more could you ask for?

      • lastromantibune

        your totally correct

    • Elle D

      Totally agree, David. I believe he will eventually wind up elsewhere. While I’ve always thought California, this new development might have him exported to Chile.

    • Kathryn R Wilt

      And just when I thought that the U.S. was going for bi-lateral trade.Ha! Seriously…CC is a remarkable story of a claimer mare and one miniscule stud fee producing a phenom that brought in a hefty amount of interest in the sport. Too much risk.

    • Carla Parrillo

      So in all this why can’t the mares from Chile be shuttled out to us instead of our risking the moving around of a horse as valuable as Chrome?

      • Forego

        It would help if you actually educated yourself about breeding… breeding must be live cover – mares are often bred not long after they foal and NO ONE is going to send a mare with a young foal at heel on a long flight to another country. That is actually what your solution would be??! Shuttle stallions get very used to their routine and they have a team that travels with them – so they are comfortable and handled the same way all the time.

  • Arrogate

    How annoyed is Taylor Made that Haras Sumaya put this news out before TM could massage the message – they must not understand what a Chromie is – but I bet they are about to find out;-)

    • Pamela Mac

      Lol…perhaps that Amy person will drag her husband to south america to be close to Chrome!

  • Helen molchan

    Let him rest. Let us enjoy him. Not good

  • Mr. Blues

    DON’T SIGN THE DEAL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Wheres_My_Bitches

      Like they really care what you think…..

  • BeastBob

    Good move to boost’s Chrome chance of being successful as a stallion.

    • aksusie

      He’s already successful…. He has a mare pregnant with a foal.

      • MLS

        Ahhhh being a successful stallion has to do with the success of his progeny, not just that he’s able to get a broodmare pregnant.

  • Bo Mitchell

    I hope and pray that deal does not work out!! Chrome does not need to leave this country and be used up before his time doing double duty for what appears to be a bunch of greedy people. Sorry to hear Taylor Made is heading this up!! Don’t start replying to me about business or any of that BS! This horse has already made them plenty of money. If anything happens to Chrome it will be on Taylor Made Heads.. I Hope They don’t forget that!!!

  • whirlaway

    While I am not a big fan of shuttling has anyone taken a moment to research Haras Sumaya. Just one piece of information they own and Raced in the U. S. Protonico under Sumaya U S
    stable and that stallion currently is at stud at Taylor Made so it seems they already have some
    relationship with TM. There is information available on them and the bloodlines they have and
    background.

    • trooper seven

      Thank you. I’d wondered about Haras Sumaya, and what you say sounds good. (Later) I did some googling and see there is also a farm near Taylor Made owned by Haras and they have some good stock…very good stock. All in all, I doubt Chrome is going to be unhappy. Certainly not mistreated.

      • Elle D

        They’ve purchased property on Georgetown Road in Bourbon County. It was formerly Crystal Springs Farm.

        • whirlaway

          Hi Elle was the farm at one time Vinery.

          • Arrogate

            You might have Sumaya Us confused with Don Alberto (who owns Unique Bella) regarding the purchase of old Vinery.

          • whirlaway

            Actually the article discussed both and I believe Don Alberto did purchase the Vinery. The other from Haras Sumaya is Ossama Aboughazale and they campaigned Wild Spirit and purchased Joyfully the mare in foal to AP no doubt they have both been successful in racing.

          • Elle D

            No. A friend of mine actually works for Aboughazale at his Kentucky farm. Don Alberto owns the farm that was formerly the Vinery.

          • whirlaway

            Thanks I did have to reread that as one article was combining the info both appear
            very top quality farms.

        • Patricia King

          An article in the Racing Post Bloodstock identified it as the former 235 acre Belvedere. Is the Crystal Spring Farm and Belvedere one in the same farms, or did Aboughazale purchase multiple farms? Either way, Chrome should be well taken care of, just wish he didn’t shuttle to Chile so soon after retiring.

      • whirlaway

        They actually purchased the farm that was The Vinery. In 1999 they bred a mare named Wild Spirit in Chile a daughter of Hussonet out of a Wild Again mare she was horse of the year in Chile and when they sent her to America to race they were savvy enough
        to send her to my favorite horseman Bobby Frankel that trained her, she won the gr1 Ruffian placed in another G1 and won a couple of Gr2 and when retired I believe she was bred to AP Indy. They are not new and have invested in excellent mares and purchased a mare in foal to American Pharoah.

        • togahombre

          that gr1 placing she was 1/5, mr jerkens did one of his giant killer numbers that day

          • whirlaway

            Can’t help loving Mr. Jerkens and his surprises especially if you were one of the lucky ones that had one of his horses at good odds. Another horseman I miss and
            nice for his son to have that nice win with SG at Santa Anita.

    • Patricia King

      I didn’t know if you had seen this article on the owner of Haras Sumaya. I think it gives a little inkling on the passion that Aboughazale has for a successful thoroughbred business. I just hope that all goes well for Chrome in Chile. Attached is the article from Bloodstock.

      http://bloodstock.racingpost.com/news/bloodstock/aboughazale-indulges-passion-in-kentucky/2244596/

      • whirlaway

        Thanks I will check I saw a few articles but I was somewhat famaliar with them. They are not new and have purchased some nice mares and stand numerous stallions.

    • Minneola

      Can you tell me what is the standard practice in these kinds of situations? Would Taylor Made be providing one of their employees to accompany Chrome during the time he is in Chile? It just seems prudent to have a qualified set of eyes on this horse to make certain that he is given the very top care while in Chile. Also, what do you know of the quality of the veterinary schools in that country? Hope that there would be no need for unusual veterinary care for Chrome while he is there but, just in case of a need, it is something that crossed my mind.

      • whirlaway

        Perfect timing for your inquiries you can go to Throughbred Daily news I just got an email from them with an informative article that I am hopeful addresses your questions. Appears TM first went there to actually see farms everything is answered
        pretty well. You should be able to go right to the article. Any problems let me know but
        Should be easy.

        • Minneola

          Thank you. I just looked at that article and it did address a lot of my concerns. This venture does make me a bit apprehensive but that story helped alleviate some of my worries. But, still…. I’ve seen a few videos of Chrome at TM and that has been my place of solace seeing him so happy there. How will he adapt for that time in Chile? I don’t know if anyone can answer that other than Chrome once he is there.

          • whirlaway

            Funny it just came up on my email as I started to respond to you. I am not a big fan of shuttling but people will do what they need to do. I am also not a big fan of producing over 120 to a 150 foals a year and then shuttling to do another 100
            but that is now the nature of the beast.

          • Minneola

            Probably more than anything else, that doesn’t sit well with me, is the apparent greed of breeders to have stallions that breed all year long and in numbers that are incomprehensible to those that care about the well being of these stallions. And, yes, add to that is the stress that the horse may endure with too much traveling and handling by too many different people. This does not seem to indicate that the welfare of the horse is of paramount interest.

          • whirlaway

            This is not brand new people in racing and onecof their stallions is at stud at TM. I am quite sure Chrome will be well cared for. With the nature of horses in general of all breeds I am amazed at what they tolerate especially air travel as many performance horses do not just race, horses settle in to new surroundings and then perform whether racing eventing or horse shows but I am sure there is stress involved with it. Currently with the craziness of humans traveling by air I would rather book a flight with the horses. Most of the time they do not go crazy like some of our fellow passengers do. It is stressful for humans to fly. Egadds.

  • Lynn Hanson

    Don’t be shuttling that horse all over the planet !! What is wrong with you people ??

    • brussellky

      It’s actually a brilliant move. They need to make every dollar they can before his progeny hit the track as the chance they will be successful is pretty remote.

      • Minneola

        It may be a brilliant move if all one cares about is making money but I would hope that the horse racing industry cares about the well being of its equine athletes more than dollars. And, having CC breeding to about 150 mares here in the U.S. and, then, shuttling back and forth to Chile for three years and covering even more mares there seems to be borderline disregard to the welfare of the horse. Same goes for any other horse, including AP that will be doing the same. By the way, what do the horses get for all of this? And, what do the breeders get? Do you see the inequity in any of this? And, you cannot know what his progeny will produce unless you have a genuine crystal ball.

        • brussellky

          Shuttling while having huge books obviously had no ill effects on More than Ready and Danehill and they did it for many more years than it is likely CC will. Regarding your crystal ball comment, I said remote, not impossible. As there has NEVER been a successful stallion with a female family as weak as his, it does not require a crystal ball to access the chances of it happening here as remote.

  • nvsally

    No!!

  • Diana

    This news makes me sick. I really thought Taylor Made had his best interest but it looks like the buck is their bottom line. Such a sad state for this industry and them. For those of us who where fans this really is a reason to leave and never look back. Our hero’s are commodities to you but to us they are loved and admired. He deserves so much better than this.

  • Bella

    Never really thought this would happen, but should have known better. Money is all that really matters to far too many people

  • Patricia King

    I guess we will find out pretty quick if the deal was finalized for Chrome. The breeding season starts August 1st for South America so I am sure Haras Sumaya will want to have the bookings in place sooner rather than later.
    Taylor Made mentioned that Chrome could come out of retirement to maybe race in next years PWC. Somehow I don’t see that happening if he is shipping for another round of breeding which would basically take him right up to the end of 2017 in the breeding shed.

  • lastromantibune

    Chile ?…really ?…I guess they are just knocking down the doors here in the states trying to get to him.

  • Kathryn R Wilt

    Betrayal.
    Yeah, I get the business end,yet this horse had an emotionally dedicated following,packed full of new fans,who travelled hundreds of miles to cheer. Junior has evidently bred about 138 mares already with 6 weeks more to go.The SA breeding season is our summertime…unhealthy and risky.

    • trooper seven

      Junior?
      His name is California Chrome and his owners are California Chrome LLC.

      • Kathryn R Wilt

        Junior was the name given to him as a foal by one of the owners. Just a friendly F.Y.I..Thank you for your service in law.

        • trooper seven

          That owner is long gone and that name is long gone, but the crazies continue to want to show how “in the know” they are (n’t).

          • Kathryn R Wilt

            Sir, are you referring to me as a ‘crazy’ or the whole fan group of Chromies ? I do not claim to be “in the know”, however I do know that CC was often called Junior around the barn. I picked up on it the morning he arrived at Churchill and I noticed that California was spelled wrong on his saddle towel. Laughed myself crazy.

          • trooper seven

            I too know that Chrome was called “Junior” by a former owner when he was at the Harris Farms. Since he left those farms some 5-6 years ago and that particular owner sold out about 2 years ago, I feel no need to call Chrome a name that he used to be called some five-six years ago, just to show that I know he was once called that. Not that I–a fan with no past connection with Chrome– ever felt that need. I haven’t read any quotes which have had the Shermans or Martins calling him that in the last 4 years either.

            California Chrome is a grown horse, a stallion, with a great past record and we all hope a great breeding future ahead of him. He’s no “Junior.”

          • Kathryn R Wilt

            A barn name is no indication of stature. It is just another connection to the horse and a fan-friendly one at that.

    • LongTimeEconomist

      Actually, SA breeding season lines up more with our autumn.

      • And it’s much closer, I’ve not checked yet but I assum a mare would still need to quarantine in maturas or is there a place in Argentina

        • LongTimeEconomist

          Why would you want to send a mare down there?

          • Over not down if you get my drift

            IMO Better match with the type from SA AU AR

      • Kathryn R Wilt

        Thanks for info!

  • Romanella

    I don’t like this but they are sending Taylor Made staff with him and Chrome will be monitored by Rood and Riddle
    This is the sign of the times and it has been going on for years
    My favorite horse, Ribot, was shurttled here and because he became difficult to handle , they kept him in the states
    That was a long time ago

  • Ginny Gustafson Johnston

    No, I was afraid of this. They are going to ruin him. Greed.

  • Pamela Mac

    This is what horse retirement is all about. I think Taylor Made has done an excellent job ensuring Chromes future.

  • Michael Castellano

    The bottom line is that race horses are property and once sold for breeding purposes they are even more likely to be treated as property and sent to where they can earn the most money. An owner may be a sportsman or sportswoman and treat the horse better but once the horse is sold for breeding rights, dollars and sense takes precedence. Gone are the days when a lot of breeding was controlled by large privately owned stables.

    • Pamela Mac

      That is true. Owners who sell their breeding rights absolutely know what the consequences if the sale are.

  • wolfstraum

    Breeding and bloodstock are becoming more and more international….giving breeders in other countries an opportunity to expand their genetic resources with horses like Chrome and American Pharaoh is really a positive for the breed…..there are genetic bottlenecks in many countries and an infusion of new blood of this caliber will do nothing harmful……it says that his groom will go with him if you read the article….and surely Chrome will not be disappointed or sad by being given a whole new extra book of mares!!! I visited him shortly after his test breedings, and was told about how enthusiastic he was to be put to stud!

  • Horse lover

    It’s a great move to upgrade the racing stock in South America. I see nothing wrong with it. He retired from racing to the breeding shed – that’s where his value is. He’s valuable- he’ll be well taken care of – sure don’t understand all the misery this is causing in his fans.

  • Mr J

    Trouble filling his book @ $40k ?. This seems like a greedy move

  • Bev

    WELL, when he shipped from Dubai to UK without HIS team or any of HIS people…..we saw him look like hell, depressed and was lethargic.Wasn’t fed right. He didn’t acclimate and only merely survived. NOT an exaggeration either. Chrome of all horses has never been anywhere without HIS groom and team. He’s proven he gets depressed, drops weight when NOT with his team. I don’t see Chrome BREEDING up a storm and being happy……being sent there with nobody HE KNOWS. He’s not like that. This isn’t my imagination either. Best he gets mares sent here to him. I wouldn’t trust that situation really. FOR his health mentally and physically. AND somebody name me ONE Chilean trainer, race horse or breeder. AND when has there been a Chilean race horse raced anywhere be it USA, Europe, UK, Japan?? NEVER heard of Chilean breeding farms. Be careful. Chrome won’t do good. WE know he’s smart. HE was made smart by Team Sherman….thru love, and playing and day to day antics. He was loved. he’s simply a piece of meet to breed to over there without his team. He won’t be fed right. He lived on Beat pulp in UK and you wanted him muscled up to RACE in ASCOT. ?? omg..Use your heads on this one. He’s valuable. I know Australia wanted CC for his A.P.Indy pedigree. But…….CHILE?? NEVER heard of it. Chrome will not be a happy camper. He’s very shy around strangers who don’t even communicate with their horses. He had NO spirit, sass or even proud stance or pose when left alone in UK. Slept for days. I remember when Frankie Dettori rode him he called him a very lazy horse. Depressed is the word. He was in a daze that whole time. Didn’t get bathed right. Only spot washed. ?? He’s not like other horses. I better get there FAST if I want to see Chrome then I guess. Have no clue how I’ll do that before mid summer. ……Chile?? I have to do some Google Searches. I wouldn’t TRUST that with a ten foot pole.

    • Pamela Mac

      Let’s find out how the Black Youngin feels> Chrome did indeed ship with his team. Perhaps the media will begin to write articles in favor of the truth instead of a fairytale built on a crying blubbering ex owner.

      • Bev

        WHAT? EXCUSE ME?

    • trooper seven

      Get a grip.

      • Bev

        If YOU have a right to tell me to GET A GRIP. Then I have a right to post MY comment. I never HEARD of a Chilliean race horse OR stud farm. WHEN have you, sir trooper seven heard of a Chilean stud farm? and if so name one. I’d rather see Chrome go to Australia where his pedigree is wanted. A.P.Indy, Slew and many in Chromes dam’s line are hot in Australia so I expected him to eventually go there. BUT CHILLE…….NO…..I don’t think I’ll get a grip. LOL I’m laughing when I comment. Chili? I never heard of then at all. AND it IS fact Chrome didn’t do well in UK. He came back 200lbs lighter, looking like hell. Sending Raul with Chrome would have made all the difference in the world. CC is attached. He’s not like a regular pasture ornament horse. He’s actively involved with people. Over sea’s you know and I know they ride and throw them in the stall. NO personal attention. CC can’t survive like that and we saw the outcome. SOOOOO, before you get your panties all twisted…….all I was saying was SEND HIS GROOM with him. Somebody he knows and many agree with that. He deserves to be treated better. Not spot sponged but a FULL bath. REAL food, not beat pulp. His attitude alone will decide if he even wants to breed when he gets there. I’d rather see him go to Australia.

        • trooper seven

          To repeat, get a grip. It’s not my fault you haven’t heard of any south American stud farm, let alone Chilean, and if you read before you shot your mouth off you’d know Taylor was sending people with him. I’ve been to Australia and I’ve been to Ecuador, close to Chile, and the effects of time change and settling in are much more severe in Australia.

          As far as my right to tell you to get a grip, absolutely have it and have had it since you wrote some foul accusations about Perry Martin on the old Coburn page. You ignored me when I told you to revisit and remove your remarks, which I suppose is why you finally got booted from that page. The Coburns probably finally figured out they would be liable if they kept it up.

          • Bev

            Chrome can go anywhere and do good anywhere…….IF HE HAS one or more of HIS people with him. OUR country are close to pets. NO other country is.HE needs his groom with him or he will look like death….like when he stepped off the van in Chicago after being abandoned in UK. I don’t know what YOU saw…..but what I saw and what I saw in UK was not a spirited shiny happy Chrome. 200lbs he lost. I still have the five media comments from the MEDiA about that. Should I post them? Sending a groom with Chrome would be a good idea if they want him TO breed. ALL he did In UK was sleep. Rae said he was a very depressed horse. Sending a groom Chrome knows with him will make all the difference in the world. If you say it SAYS in this article Taylor Made aRE sending a team with him then I have to re read this article. I didn’t see that. He’ll be so depressed alone again….he won’t breed. Are you kidding. THEn he’d get yelled at TO BREED. He’s just not used to that crap. It was sad seeing him arrive home from UK after having such a WONDERFUL time in Dubai. SAD SAD seeing him dirty, no shine, ribs showing. Want me to post that picture here to remind you? I have it.

          • Bev

            OHH so now I know who you are. OMG..biggest trouble maker going on an old page. LOL Noisy people that wanted to dig and dig and get Caroline telling all the dirt going on between them and the Martins. NOW I remember you. Man, you people are gross badgering her like that on a Chrome page where all us fans wanted to talk about CHROME. YOU and your comments scrolled on and on and on and nobody got to talk about CHROME. AND…All I said was……you don’t send a valuable horse like Chrome who is HOY ALONE and abandon him in UK. AND I also said that drastic change in diet, weight loss I was afraid he’d founder. Was no big deal what I said. and I do have many horses and know what I’m talking about. Chrome was depressed over there without Raul. BUT THEY had no say about it. Only owned 30%. I said nothing about THEM personally. Too many people like YOU were into their private life. NONE of us were. You could have cared less about Chrome. You only cared about talking to them in an open comment section about their personal life and how PM was treating them so bad. You wouldn’t stop and just focus on praising Chrome. I was mad at both of the owners FOR abandoning our valuable HOY in UK. WHEN HE should have come HOME after Dubai to rest. THAT is all I said. I had not one thing to apologize for. YOU are bent out of shape cause of all the times we tried to tell you people to stop interfering in their PERSONAL affairs. The fight between PM and the Coburns was THEIR personal problem. NOT our business. YOU and yours ONLY kept asking about THE personal problems so of course we commented about CHROME. The whole thing WAS about Chrome. Stay out of people’s business for once. I have plenty on you too honey FOR being a busy body. NOW I remember you. AND it was a thrill NOT to be on that page because it’s not my THING to just talk about personal business. YOU were into TELLING the Coburns or Caroline how to run her personal life. What she should do??? How gross is that. Mind your own business and like now…….YOU bring up personal business. THAT had nothing to do with many of us fans. MANY of us were booted from the page and we could have cared less. We went to a REAL CHROME page after. With NO gossip and always downing one owner or the other. YOU downed the other owners more than my one comment did. LOL Don’t try to act all high and mighty. YOU and your friends were only badgering her to death to get her to talk all the deep gossip business stuff. AND she did. NEVER anything about the horse at all. You never praised or even talked about Chrome. US fans mind our business. WE are fans of the horse. Chrome. So drop it. I said nothing wrong AND YOU have NO business emailing me TELLING me to do this and that. MIND your own business and stay out of peoples lives. YOU are the noisy trouble maker , not me. Many of us fans were booted from THAT page because of you but it turned out to be a soap opera page anyway. NOT a Chrome page. Was no big deal not going there anymore. . Stop badgering Caroline to talk about her personal business. I found you very rude. And so did others. Leaving THAT page whatever it was…….was the best thing we all did. What goes on in the personal lives of owners, trainers, etc. is none of our business. WE are supporting fans of a horse. NOT the personal lives of the owners. AND I do support the Martins. Always have. BOTH owners at one time. BUT didn’t concentrate ON the owners. WE follow the horse. CHROME. and that lead us to the TRAINERS BARN and horses. NO owners where in our horse sites. THAT was three years ago and it’s like you to hold a grudge you have no right to hold onto when YOU started the whole thing with the soap opera stuff. WE Fans couldn’t find comments about CHROME. Scroll down and down and it’s just you pumping Caroline for news. WAS Sickening. Like I said…….we went on to a CHROME page and it’s been fine. What time I have……I visit Chrome video’s. NOT the personal lives of his humans. YOU should do the same. Support the HORSE.

  • Whynotwest

    He did so well shipping to England, why not send him to Chile?

  • Pamela Mac

    California Chrome did awesome in the UK. I would love to see more!

    • Lehane

      He went into the Pegasus not in good order and his refusal of the gates confirmed that fact. Having followed Chrome for years, it was the saddest day watching him struggle, suffer injury and could’ve easily broken down in his final race.

    • SarahAieden

      Yes he did.

  • We’re watching

    I am not at all happy that Chrome will be a shuttle stallion. How long can he keep up a schedule like this? It is a demanding job at stud and I would be very upset if this horse is worn thin by his new owners.

    Take good care of the nations horse, Kentucky Derby champion California Chrome. This cannot be good in the long run for any horse. We’re watching.

  • Does anyone know the approximate timeline and approximate number of mares he will cover in his first year of breeding. It is all about money!

    • Minneola

      I’ve been wondering the same. How many mares will he cover in Chile? He’s got 150 here in the states but how many more are there being booked in that country?

  • Judith Donlan

    Everyone Google Don Alberto stud farm, Chile. Surprise!

  • Audrey Gulla

    I don’t like this either. But Taylor Made seems to be taking every precaution to ensure CC’s comfort & success. I worry though that he’ll be breeding throughout the year with little rest. Certainly he’s earned himself the right to just chill out for a month or so……..ditto for AP…

    • Minneola

      And, adding to the additional number of mares as well as breeding year long, there is always stress in traveling and adapting to new environments. This does not appear to indicate that TM is thinking of the well being of Chrome.

      • Audrey Gulla

        I agree wholeheartedly! One thing stuck with me when Coolmoor said they were going to send AP downunder last year but didn’t because of negative feedback…..my e-mail alone was like a besotted, enraged & crazed fan! Lo & behold maybe we have some influence after all!?

        • Minneola

          When racing has seen a decline in fans, they should pay attention to how they are perceived by the public. No one in this sport operates in a vacuum and, especially, with CC having had such an intense interest by both fans as well as the general public. TM (in particular) needs to assure everyone that they will take an INTENSE interest in the well being of this world famous horse while he is in Chile. It would not bode well if anything bad happens to him. It would drive another nail into the coffin of this sport. I didn’t realize that AP’s plans to go to Australia have been shelved. Is that correct? How did I miss that? But, if that is what happened, I would be hopeful that TM might also have that same change in plans. Again, it isn’t just because of being sent to another country to breed but, more, that it seems like it is a bit troublesome that they plan on having CC breed all year ’round.

          • Audrey Gulla

            It was last year’s decision that was influenced by fan outrage for AP. This year I’ve yet to give them a piece of my mind because I just feel hollow inside. I too worry about year round breeding without rest & time to just be a horse. If any have ‘earned’ their rest it’s AP & CC!! Like you I too worry should anything happen to them……I even worry about an early death due to stress & lack of rest. I realize the farms now ‘own’ them but woe to them & the sport if tragedy occurs. The whole thing reeks of excessive greed.

  • Rehoboth

    Couldn’t do this fast enough. And no offense in any way to the Chileans.

    And horse racing wants fans, huh? Yet this is the sort of stuff that usually TURNS THE FANS OFF. Just sayin’.

    But, what do we know, right? We’re just the great, stupid unwashed who fail to grasp that this is a business, the horses aren’t our pets, we don’t get a vote, etc.

    So, except for some of the big, wealthy events, the tracks stand empty and horse racing remains the insular, “we do it our way and our way only” sport that it is. Not helping your numbers much though, is it?

    I pray that American Pharoah and Chrome have safe travels.

    Claiborne and those of your ilk, bless you. There’s no school like the old school.

    • Minneola

      And, in the meanwhile, the grandstands continue to staying empty (except for those few races each year) and the racing industry wonders why? It seems as if they cannot understand that our society has changed and with different expectations of how all animals are to be treated. Add to this is that social media allows for that much more information to flow among the “unwashed” masses who are the ones that count. If the industry doesn’t get that, they need to get their heads out of the sand before the sport breathes its last breath. There was a time when top stallions were not booked for more than 30-50 mares and with time off during the year. Now? 200+ per year, being shuttled around the world, and no time off. Does not ingratiate itself with those potential fans who will continue to pass racing and move on to other sports.

      • Lehane

        Well said, Minneola. Agree with everything you’ve stated.

    • Lehane

      I like the sounds of Claiborne. A pity that other studs don’t follow their fine ethical example.

  • Carolyn Barg

    I don’t get it. Remember how thin and stressed he was when he went to the UK? He was away from his team. He was nothing but a bone when he returned to the US. This showed me how upset he was at being kept away from his home base in CA. Bulletin to his connection: He has feelings too. Greed is not good. Stop this.

  • Barrmorr

    Chile? This is a straight money grab by Martin and Taylor Made. It shouldn’t be long before the inevitable statement ‘we’re doing what’s in the best interest of the horse.’ Taylor Made will lose a lot of credibility by being associated with Martin.

    • Minneola

      TM was part of the decision. Do not place blame on Perry Martin, alone.

    • SarahAieden

      Hey this is no big deal. The Chromie crazies are out after Faversham now.

  • Genellen

    I come to this site after I hear the morning news. As if that isn’t depressing and frightening enough, now something that provided comfort gets eroded. I suppose this dual-hemisphere breeding is OK, certainly from the money point for those who profit, but I don’t like it. I had hoped to make a bucket list trip to Ky to see Chrome, Pharoah, Zenyatta, and Rachel, but now it looks like that is being compromised. Time to kick the bucket altogether, I guess. What’s left?

  • David Sullivan

    For all of you who are whining about this horse shuttling to Chile I would like to point out another article on this excellent site. That article is about Gwen Jocson the former jockey who is disabled with permanent brain injuries. I urge you to read about Miss Jocson and then maybe you will have some concept of a real tragedy. There are currently 154 comments about a horse going to Chile and 29 comments about a former jockey who has to crawl around on the floor when she’s alone because it is so difficult for her to walk without falling. What’s wrong with this picture?

    • Kelly

      Kudos to you. Thanks to your comment, I did go and read the other article, and what a tough story.

      • David Sullivan

        Thanks

    • Minneola

      That was a totally unfair statement to make. One concern does not discount another. But, then, your use of the word “whining” says a lot. Also, not to reduce the concern about the jockey but do keep in mind that jockeys have the ability to make their own decisions and no jockey would enter this sport without the knowledge of how dangerous it is for them. The horses, on the other hand, have no say in any of this!! We are the guardians of all animals and we are their only voice.

      Again, we do sympathize with these jockeys. There are so many who are permanently disabled as well as some who do not even leave the track alive. But, please do not compare the two. They both have merit in concern and interest.

    • whirlaway

      Even though I did not comment I did read that story and found it very disturbing I have always said being a jockey is a tough job mentally, physically as they not only have to be
      thin they need strength to deal with these horses, that applies to the exercise riders as well. What is this girl going to do?For all the money in racing in stud fees, sale prices which are astronomical and often results are not
      successful you would think this industry would take care of not just the horses ( which
      many are doing with good work) but the human casualties as well the jockeys can’t be expected through the guild to carry the load. Her story was sad but do not to expect the average fan to ever be aware of that article and that is not the first time I have had the same thoughts as you express.

      • David Sullivan

        I appreciate your comments. I do not know anything about how the PDJF is funded but I was very surprised to read that not all racetracks contribute. Somehow that doesn’t seem right to me.

        • whirlaway

          I have read about various pdjf fund raisers such as a golf tournament and the karaoke night with jockeys singing at Saratoga ( which I would love to see but I am never there that weekend) but I don’t know fully what the industry does and I am sure any donations can be made. It really does seem there is a need for support of
          PdJF. I would think like any person they would get total disability but not sure.

          • David Sullivan

            Thanks for the info. I have purchased caps, t-shirts, etc. at different racetracks to support the PDJF but I never knew what their main fund raisers were. I’m not criticizing any racetracks because I don’t know which ones contribute to the fund and which ones don’t. But it seems to me the tracks should be a major contributor. One thing is for sure. I will pay more attention to their fund raising efforts in the future.

          • whirlaway

            Any time, your welcome anything is a help I am sure the PDJF is a really good organization and fans should also support it. If a bettor hits a good bet payout what
            Is $25.00 if enough do it money adds up.

          • David Sullivan

            So true.

          • Elle D

            One of our local Kentucky fundraisers is Jocktails, held every year in Louisville during Derby week. The jocks play bartender for a night. It’s a fun evening.

          • whirlaway

            That would also be fun for sure. If you have not seen Mike Luzzi on you tube doing
            Kenny Chesney’s She Thinks My Tractors Sexy take a look he really did pretty good
            and had a good personally not to mention he was looking good in his jeans 😎

    • Doug Chambers

      People have a choice. Race horses don’t.

      I’m not saying that the jockeys tragedies aren’t worse, but many jockeys know the risk. Race horses don’t have the luxury of being given a choice.

  • It might be time for legal Artificial Insemination in the Thoroughbred sport. The Standardbreds use it, and limit the number of foals per stallion in NA to 140. Frozen semen could be sent overseas .

    The reward for being a super horse is being bred 400 times per year?

    Unfortunately the game isn’t the same . The horse has become an economic unit. Bold Ruler would have NOT been subjected to this chaos.

  • Carla Parrillo

    I know there will be many negative replies to this. But I am also confident that I will see positive ones as well.
    Those will be from so many of us just love these horses and become concerned when the well being of any horse we love becomes questionable.
    This time it is a horse this entire country fell in love with. A horse with so much personality he returned that love just by how he received visitors during his meet an greet sessions.
    To some of us, and not from lacking. Knowledge regarding the equine thoroughbred and racing organizations. I have read time and time again how the racing parks are hurting for business and higher revenues what do you think a move like shuttleing a magnificen horse Like California Chrome will do to the non, or limited betting population of race track enthusiasts. Certainly for many like myself (who only made it to the dog track many years ago) will I be encouraged to travel to these facilities if our own USA bred horses are not enough to give the industry as many good foals as they are capable of within a studding season then perhaps the industry will in time disappear and the parks will all become casinos with simulcast viewing at best.
    Because if we don’t preserve the horses in our own country, they will, like so many resources on this planet, because of human greed, become an endangered species.
    It’s already happening according to the disappointing numbers of goals being born. Then I’d it really the numbers or is it because like so many other animals, plants, and so many items too many list are becoming endangered because, having 2 or 3 good products of these living things is never enough. Sad to say.
    Will this country destroy the racing experience just to try and keep up with these other countries.
    Maybe some horses can tolerate the traveling that doesn’t make the choice a good or strong one to make.
    What, makes there horses

  • Guest

    Can anyone explain how the birth dates of thoroughbreds are established in the southern hemisphere? Would not expect that January 1 is considered birth date.

    • Lehane

      In Australia it is 1st August. Foals are usually born in the months of August, September, October, November.

  • Lynn Hanson

    Is that what these horses have become ? Nothing but $$$ making. If they can’t make it on the track, let’s them ship out of country to “procreate” until they run out of sperm ??? What then ?, the meat packing plant ? They are going to do this to Pharaoh also ?? I thought Chrome and Pharaoh would live happily ever after at their current “homes” but no, they are nothing but “useful commodities” for these disgusting “owners” FOR SHAME !! If Chrome goes to Chile, whats to prevent unscrupulous people from kidnapping him and either holding him for ransom or using him to foal their own batch of foals and keeping him in a poor situation where he eventually dies from neglect. Pharaoh going to Australia may fare better but Chile will put Chrome in grave danger. What the hell is wrong with you greedy bastards ???!!!!

  • SarahAieden

    Just glad that Chrome has gotten his chance to prove he has the makings of a great sire. Thank you Taylor Made Stallions for looking out after our boy.

  • Madeline Brooks

    I would have loved to have seen Chrome given a home at the Kentucky Horse Park where he could be admired by all of his fans. Cigar and John Henry had long, pampered lives there, but, Cigar had been infertile, so he wasn’t of any value in the breeding shed. Perhaps, if Chrome proves to be less than successful as a stallion, he could end up there…wishful thinking I guess. I have a lock of Cigar’s mane that was given to me one cold, December day when I was visiting him…imagine that. I was also (sadly) present when John Henry was about to be euthanized. They brought him out of his stall for his breeder, and a few of his fans to hug and kiss goodbye. Chrome should be there…he would bring fans to the park in droves…

  • Carla Parrillo

    We all know the move is apparent, unless TM reconsidered for whatever reason might change there minds.
    So what means of travel will our beloved, and adored Champion be subjected too.
    We know the airlines are probably scramvnbleing to get the job,
    Air travel can be hard and physically,
    uncomfortabl and difficult with various unavoidable a dangers.
    What are the pros and cons for sea travel. With 24 hour attention by appointed staff.
    I would juyst like to know.
    Of course there will be less turbulamce and less cofinement. If Chrome is the only horse
    Headed to Chile would this be a better choice for him?

    • Larry Ensor

      Have you ever been a flight groom? I have to Europe. 40+ on dedicate horse flights. The horses handle it just fine. Quite amazing. No different than being stalled on a long fan trip. IMO and experience more comfortable, no sudden stops, no turns etc. A lot more can go wrong on the highways than in the air.

      • Carla Parrillo

        I have never had an opportunity like this.
        Having some one actually did and found the horses to comfortable is a comfort to me regarding Chrome.
        How do they manage transportation​ by sea?

        • Lost In The Fog – Robert Lee

          How do they manage transportation​ by sea?

          They don’t (or rarely) transport by sea. Why would you confine a horse to a stall on a ship for days or weeks at sea when the horse can more comfortably be transported in 24 hours or less on a trans-continental flight? isn’t that obvious?

  • 33horses

    Very troubling! Have the owners no integrity?

    • Doug Chambers

      My thoughts too.

  • Doug Chambers

    Just when I thought I heard it all.

    I try and keep an open mind, but this horse is looking more and more like a commodity to its owners. It’s a crying shame.

    I guess that’s the nature of the business, and why many of us aren’t avid followers.

    Hope he has fun, and hope someone keeps tabs on his well-being, including mental well-being.

  • David Worley

    Carla, I think the reason Chrome won’t be as successful at stud as he was on the track (despite great mares being presented to him) is that his actual individual talent on the track is far above his pedigree talent. So think of this in terms of statistics with his sire (Lucky Pulpit) and his dam (Love the Chase out of Not for Love) producing theoretically 1000 foals together. Let’s now rank the (theoretical foals between 1 and 1000 with #1 being the most talented). California Chrome is the #1 foal of that duo, meaning that breeders (Coburn and Martin) hit on dumb luck in getting the horse they did (a 1 in 1000 chance and maybe more truth be told). They could breed the two 999 times and not get another Chrome. So, his actual genetic talent, while being above most of the theoretical 1,000 foals is not nearly as great as his on track ability.

    Chrome will very likely will be much more successful than either Lucky Pulpit or Not for Love, but he won’t (in my estimation) be on par with legitimate $40,000 per foal sires. I may be wrong about this, but the genetics aren’t in his favor. Additionally, his mechanics aren’t great (compare his running with a horse like American Pharoah and you’ll note what I mean) and people who have seen him up close have said he has some confirmation issues, which won’t bode well for his offspring if he passes on those deficits.

  • Bunny Hart

    This is just what’s wrong with horse racing. Though fans may never know the cost of keeping a horse in racing. The upkeep and all. But so many times the team that has managed this wonderful horse have done the wrong thing because of money AND IT TURNS FANS OFF!

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