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		<title>By: ReelChaos</title>
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		<dc:creator>ReelChaos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 18:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are ya'll nuts? Look up Ziadie's horses and tell me what other trainer has 7,8,9 AND 10 year olds still running and running great. If he was mistreating and drugging his horses like ya'll seem to think they wouldn't last. All athletes use medications for aches and pains just like any good horsemen will take care of his horses. If he was using medications to make the horses run above their ability they wouldn't still be racing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are ya&#8217;ll nuts? Look up Ziadie&#8217;s horses and tell me what other trainer has 7,8,9 AND 10 year olds still running and running great. If he was mistreating and drugging his horses like ya&#8217;ll seem to think they wouldn&#8217;t last. All athletes use medications for aches and pains just like any good horsemen will take care of his horses. If he was using medications to make the horses run above their ability they wouldn&#8217;t still be racing.</p>
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		<title>By: dray33</title>
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		<dc:creator>dray33</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 22:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob Hope for Czar. Bravo.</description>
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		<title>By: Bob Hope</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Hope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 19:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beware the summer madness !  Most of you see more rules at your local golf courses than you do in horseracing.  More than 100 alphabet groups skim off more than three quarters of a billion dollars from handle a year and can't solve a single problem nor afford to print a rule book that's available to its constituents. Do we think that Ziadie has ever seen a rule book?
Mr. Irwin's quick fix would founder under the appointment of slot managers to CEO and other sundry official positions by racetracks and the condition would only worsen.  California was subjected to more corruption and misdeeds in memory until recently when they decided to clean house.
RCI is not a regulatory board any more than the BC which recently announced that it was making up and enforcing its own set of illegal rules.  These people are preposterous !  Who hit them in the ass with a proclamation for governance ?
We have a lot of work to do to rid ourselves of those who are gaming the system.  But we have no leaders; no system; and little understanding of how it should work.  Our racing has become a magnet for classless violators from here and abroad!  American horseracing hierarchy has become the tower of Babel embarking on a ship of fools.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beware the summer madness !  Most of you see more rules at your local golf courses than you do in horseracing.  More than 100 alphabet groups skim off more than three quarters of a billion dollars from handle a year and can&#8217;t solve a single problem nor afford to print a rule book that&#8217;s available to its constituents. Do we think that Ziadie has ever seen a rule book?<br />
Mr. Irwin&#8217;s quick fix would founder under the appointment of slot managers to CEO and other sundry official positions by racetracks and the condition would only worsen.  California was subjected to more corruption and misdeeds in memory until recently when they decided to clean house.<br />
RCI is not a regulatory board any more than the BC which recently announced that it was making up and enforcing its own set of illegal rules.  These people are preposterous !  Who hit them in the ass with a proclamation for governance ?<br />
We have a lot of work to do to rid ourselves of those who are gaming the system.  But we have no leaders; no system; and little understanding of how it should work.  Our racing has become a magnet for classless violators from here and abroad!  American horseracing hierarchy has become the tower of Babel embarking on a ship of fools.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Overman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary Overman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe - you are correct.  I typed Arizona - meant Colorado ... a (b)rain delay!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe - you are correct.  I typed Arizona - meant Colorado &#8230; a (b)rain delay!</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 19:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mary, thank you! Based on what I read, CJ was killed while racing at Arapahoe, Colorado.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary, thank you! Based on what I read, CJ was killed while racing at Arapahoe, Colorado.</p>
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		<title>By: Tiznowbaby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tiznowbaby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Flyonthewall,
I will play devil's advocate.
The incentive for not juicing your horses would be being able to look at yourself in the mirror each morning and know that you are doing your best to live an honorable life; and to know that you are not potentially harmful substances into living, breathing animals who cannot object.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Flyonthewall,<br />
I will play devil&#8217;s advocate.<br />
The incentive for not juicing your horses would be being able to look at yourself in the mirror each morning and know that you are doing your best to live an honorable life; and to know that you are not potentially harmful substances into living, breathing animals who cannot object.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Overman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary Overman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe - Re your comment #66.  Thank you for writing about Cincinnati Jay, whose owner and trainer at the time of his breakdown was Rubin Leyba.  I am in the process of filing a complaint about this situation with the Arizona Department of Racing in an effort to have an investigation started.  I will also make sure that Mike Ziegler, Executive Director of the Welfare and Safety Alliance, knows about it.  I have no idea what difference it may make, but many more people will know about Cincinnati Jay than do now - and hopefully more facts about his situation can come to light.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe - Re your comment #66.  Thank you for writing about Cincinnati Jay, whose owner and trainer at the time of his breakdown was Rubin Leyba.  I am in the process of filing a complaint about this situation with the Arizona Department of Racing in an effort to have an investigation started.  I will also make sure that Mike Ziegler, Executive Director of the Welfare and Safety Alliance, knows about it.  I have no idea what difference it may make, but many more people will know about Cincinnati Jay than do now - and hopefully more facts about his situation can come to light.</p>
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		<title>By: Jo Anne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jo Anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doesn't anyone think it strange that the much publicized appointment of clean up czar,Tommy Thompson, to head the NTRA's Safety and Integrity Alliance Committee has not commented here to ease all these concerns?  They were quick to proclaim to the world and to Congress that they are in charge and they can police racing without outside interference.   From The Blood-Horse, posted last 10-15-08:  "The National Thoroughbred Racing Association officially unveiled a series of equine health and safety reforms October 15 that will be overseen by an independent monitor". 

Their inaction and silence is deafening.  Congressional oversight now!  It's fundamentally clear that the racing industry cannot police itself.  Please, do not even think that each state can do this!  That's the current problem --  all the separate state racing commissions do or do not do whatever they please and who do you report them to?  I know of instances where reports were called into the racing commission about horses racing with fractures and they did nothing -- not even a hands on lameness exam with the excuse they have no funds!   Gee, I'm short of funds this year, maybe I won't pay my state taxes.

Also whoever suggested involving the FBI, hurray!   Let's end this lawlessness.   FBI investigations with criminal penalties for fixing races in violation of the Interstate Horseracing Act for trainers, owners, and those that supply the drugs --dare I say the veterinarians? Of course, more severe criminal penalties when injury and deaths occur because of illegal substances.   This must include the corticosteriod joint injections that veterinarians knowingly and greedily inject into horses that would otherwise never pass a lameness exam because trainers request them and owners willingly pay for them.    No more inject and run which is blatant in claiming races across the country.  Bettors are deceived, the field is far from fair, jockeys are at risk and horses are dying in the dirt but because they are not seen on national TV, they never make the news (just as someone commented above).  And all the while, the industry feigns its ability to be able to count training or racing injuries or deaths so that the public can even know this figure. Maybe they just can't count that high.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doesn&#8217;t anyone think it strange that the much publicized appointment of clean up czar,Tommy Thompson, to head the NTRA&#8217;s Safety and Integrity Alliance Committee has not commented here to ease all these concerns?  They were quick to proclaim to the world and to Congress that they are in charge and they can police racing without outside interference.   From The Blood-Horse, posted last 10-15-08:  &#8220;The National Thoroughbred Racing Association officially unveiled a series of equine health and safety reforms October 15 that will be overseen by an independent monitor&#8221;. </p>
<p>Their inaction and silence is deafening.  Congressional oversight now!  It&#8217;s fundamentally clear that the racing industry cannot police itself.  Please, do not even think that each state can do this!  That&#8217;s the current problem &#8212;  all the separate state racing commissions do or do not do whatever they please and who do you report them to?  I know of instances where reports were called into the racing commission about horses racing with fractures and they did nothing &#8212; not even a hands on lameness exam with the excuse they have no funds!   Gee, I&#8217;m short of funds this year, maybe I won&#8217;t pay my state taxes.</p>
<p>Also whoever suggested involving the FBI, hurray!   Let&#8217;s end this lawlessness.   FBI investigations with criminal penalties for fixing races in violation of the Interstate Horseracing Act for trainers, owners, and those that supply the drugs &#8211;dare I say the veterinarians? Of course, more severe criminal penalties when injury and deaths occur because of illegal substances.   This must include the corticosteriod joint injections that veterinarians knowingly and greedily inject into horses that would otherwise never pass a lameness exam because trainers request them and owners willingly pay for them.    No more inject and run which is blatant in claiming races across the country.  Bettors are deceived, the field is far from fair, jockeys are at risk and horses are dying in the dirt but because they are not seen on national TV, they never make the news (just as someone commented above).  And all the while, the industry feigns its ability to be able to count training or racing injuries or deaths so that the public can even know this figure. Maybe they just can&#8217;t count that high.</p>
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		<title>By: flyonthewall</title>
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		<dc:creator>flyonthewall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:57:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The truth of the matter is  that Kirk--and believe me, I'm no fan of him or his father--is just negotiating the system to his advantage.   If there are no real consequences for breaking the rules, where is the incentive not to do so?  The true abomination is the Florida Division of PariMutuel Wagering.  Kirk might not be the brightest light in the barn by any means, but he has found the right pond to swim in.  An anabolic steroid violation in Florida results in (sit down now)  a $250 fine.  That's right.  Anywhere else it's a fine, purse redistribution and trainer suspension.  Florida, $250 in small unmarked bills.  Not only has the FL DPMW established the cost of doing business, discount shoppers can celebrate.  Glycopyrrolate positives-- indicative of a race day injection and violation of the 24 hour medication rule, thus demonstrating intent to break a rule--are adjudicated with a $1500.00 fine.  No suspension.  No purse redistribution.  So you weigh the cost of the fine with the potential earnings in that race.   It isn't a crap shoot, it's a calculated risk-benefit analysis.  (Maybe that's where the accountant comes in!)

The medication rule was written  years ago by trainers and veterinarians, so the laboratory is required to use insensitive and outdated testing methods.  It boggles the mind to think what they would be finding if they were allowed to test Florida's samples the way they are required to in other racing states.   Instead, the lab is expected to hold a blood sample up to a light bulb and see if they can see any molecules.  Not surprisingly, there aren't many positives generated.  Imagine what Kirk's numbers would be if real testing were performed.  

So 30 violations in a 6 year period and he's still in business.  Don't blame him.  Blame the guys who let him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The truth of the matter is  that Kirk&#8211;and believe me, I&#8217;m no fan of him or his father&#8211;is just negotiating the system to his advantage.   If there are no real consequences for breaking the rules, where is the incentive not to do so?  The true abomination is the Florida Division of PariMutuel Wagering.  Kirk might not be the brightest light in the barn by any means, but he has found the right pond to swim in.  An anabolic steroid violation in Florida results in (sit down now)  a $250 fine.  That&#8217;s right.  Anywhere else it&#8217;s a fine, purse redistribution and trainer suspension.  Florida, $250 in small unmarked bills.  Not only has the FL DPMW established the cost of doing business, discount shoppers can celebrate.  Glycopyrrolate positives&#8211; indicative of a race day injection and violation of the 24 hour medication rule, thus demonstrating intent to break a rule&#8211;are adjudicated with a $1500.00 fine.  No suspension.  No purse redistribution.  So you weigh the cost of the fine with the potential earnings in that race.   It isn&#8217;t a crap shoot, it&#8217;s a calculated risk-benefit analysis.  (Maybe that&#8217;s where the accountant comes in!)</p>
<p>The medication rule was written  years ago by trainers and veterinarians, so the laboratory is required to use insensitive and outdated testing methods.  It boggles the mind to think what they would be finding if they were allowed to test Florida&#8217;s samples the way they are required to in other racing states.   Instead, the lab is expected to hold a blood sample up to a light bulb and see if they can see any molecules.  Not surprisingly, there aren&#8217;t many positives generated.  Imagine what Kirk&#8217;s numbers would be if real testing were performed.  </p>
<p>So 30 violations in a 6 year period and he&#8217;s still in business.  Don&#8217;t blame him.  Blame the guys who let him.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/51608/kirk-ziadie-appealing-60-day-florida-ban?source=rss

Extra juicy quotes from Ziadie the Victim, the juiced one is at the bottom:

"Ziadie appealed the ruling to the First District Court of Appeal in Tallahassee. The court is reviewing the appeal, and has put a stay on the 60 calendar-day suspension until after it completes that review.
 
Thus, it is almost certain that Ziadie will be able to saddle horses at Calder Race Course on July 11. He has entries in four races that day, including two of the graded stakes on Calderâ€™s Summit of Speed card.
 
Ziadie, 40, has won four training titles at Calder meets and one at Tampa Bay Downs, all since 2006.
 
â€œWhen you are on top, everyone wants to see you fall,â€ he said on July 9 when asked about the heavy suspension.
 
Ziadie has 15 Calder wins this year through July 9, and is third in the trackâ€™s trainer standings.
 
The Pari-Mutuel divisionâ€™s Web site shows him with 14 fines and/or reprimands for medication violations since the start of 2008. None of the other trainers among Calderâ€™s top 10 in wins this year have more than five of those violations during that period.
 
â€œWe abide by all the rules on medications,â€  Ziadie said. â€œI am not not sure why they (violations) keep coming up. Maybe some have been from carelessness or misjudgments (by his employees).â€"</description>
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<p>Extra juicy quotes from Ziadie the Victim, the juiced one is at the bottom:</p>
<p>&#8220;Ziadie appealed the ruling to the First District Court of Appeal in Tallahassee. The court is reviewing the appeal, and has put a stay on the 60 calendar-day suspension until after it completes that review.</p>
<p>Thus, it is almost certain that Ziadie will be able to saddle horses at Calder Race Course on July 11. He has entries in four races that day, including two of the graded stakes on Calderâ€™s Summit of Speed card.</p>
<p>Ziadie, 40, has won four training titles at Calder meets and one at Tampa Bay Downs, all since 2006.</p>
<p>â€œWhen you are on top, everyone wants to see you fall,â€ he said on July 9 when asked about the heavy suspension.</p>
<p>Ziadie has 15 Calder wins this year through July 9, and is third in the trackâ€™s trainer standings.</p>
<p>The Pari-Mutuel divisionâ€™s Web site shows him with 14 fines and/or reprimands for medication violations since the start of 2008. None of the other trainers among Calderâ€™s top 10 in wins this year have more than five of those violations during that period.</p>
<p>â€œWe abide by all the rules on medications,â€  Ziadie said. â€œI am not not sure why they (violations) keep coming up. Maybe some have been from carelessness or misjudgments (by his employees).â€&#8221;</p>
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