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	<title>Comments on: DID CUP RACE AGAINST THE SHEIKH&#8217;S MONEY?</title>
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		<title>By: Thehorses</title>
		<link>http://www.paulickreport.com/blog/did-cup-race-against-the-sheikhs-money/comment-page-1/#comment-14580</link>
		<dc:creator>Thehorses</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 18:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lowering breeders cup race purses to $1M and under and reducing ticket prices to something reasonable sounds good to me. Sheik Mo and his rivals at Coolmore have both made a lot of really poor auction buys. Sheik Mo paid millions for Act Of Diplomacy(Storm Cat) only to have him break his leg in his 3rd this year and have to be euthanized after winning 0. Both seem to be poor judges of horses and have bought lots of them over the years that turned out to be worth lots less than they paid for them.  Spending millions to help horses and horse rescues would be much better than wasting it at auctions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lowering breeders cup race purses to $1M and under and reducing ticket prices to something reasonable sounds good to me. Sheik Mo and his rivals at Coolmore have both made a lot of really poor auction buys. Sheik Mo paid millions for Act Of Diplomacy(Storm Cat) only to have him break his leg in his 3rd this year and have to be euthanized after winning 0. Both seem to be poor judges of horses and have bought lots of them over the years that turned out to be worth lots less than they paid for them.  Spending millions to help horses and horse rescues would be much better than wasting it at auctions.</p>
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		<title>By: Garrett Redmond</title>
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		<dc:creator>Garrett Redmond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 18:20:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Ocampo,

So you bred two mares.  My guess is it has more to do with buying power rather than body odor.  Anyone who has "clients" is far bigger than a small, private farm like mine, hence more likely to breed more mares at inflated fees.  Also possible deals were granted based on willingness to kiss ass.

Whatever the reason, they reneged on a commitment.  They had the opportunity to redress, but refused on grounds NOBODY had been granted the privilege, therefore if they did it for one client they would have to do it for all.

Which leaves me asking: "Where is the truth?"  Is it with you, Mr. Ocampo, or with the Sheikh's people?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Ocampo,</p>
<p>So you bred two mares.  My guess is it has more to do with buying power rather than body odor.  Anyone who has &#8220;clients&#8221; is far bigger than a small, private farm like mine, hence more likely to breed more mares at inflated fees.  Also possible deals were granted based on willingness to kiss ass.</p>
<p>Whatever the reason, they reneged on a commitment.  They had the opportunity to redress, but refused on grounds NOBODY had been granted the privilege, therefore if they did it for one client they would have to do it for all.</p>
<p>Which leaves me asking: &#8220;Where is the truth?&#8221;  Is it with you, Mr. Ocampo, or with the Sheikh&#8217;s people?</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Ocampo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony Ocampo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 17:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Garrett; I bred two mares to Street Cry on the same year you did, one mine and one belonging to a client and they honored the $30K for that year. Maybe you need to switch deodorant !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Garrett; I bred two mares to Street Cry on the same year you did, one mine and one belonging to a client and they honored the $30K for that year. Maybe you need to switch deodorant !</p>
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		<title>By: Garrett Redmond</title>
		<link>http://www.paulickreport.com/blog/did-cup-race-against-the-sheikhs-money/comment-page-1/#comment-14550</link>
		<dc:creator>Garrett Redmond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 12:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I stand by my statement that Darley did not honor their announced committment.  They did not honor it for any year, even one.

I bred two mares to Street Cry and it was confirmed I could have two seasons at $30,000.  I submitted the two mares previously bred to the horse and a third mare which is a stakes winner and Graded placed.  All three were rejected as "not good enough".  The original committment did not make any conditions for acceptance.  They reneged.

Barbara,
If "Mo" - as you affectionately call him - is the entity with most effect on our economic health, shall we blame him for our current condition?  Then, I could agree with you.  I can make a case in support of your claim!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stand by my statement that Darley did not honor their announced committment.  They did not honor it for any year, even one.</p>
<p>I bred two mares to Street Cry and it was confirmed I could have two seasons at $30,000.  I submitted the two mares previously bred to the horse and a third mare which is a stakes winner and Graded placed.  All three were rejected as &#8220;not good enough&#8221;.  The original committment did not make any conditions for acceptance.  They reneged.</p>
<p>Barbara,<br />
If &#8220;Mo&#8221; - as you affectionately call him - is the entity with most effect on our economic health, shall we blame him for our current condition?  Then, I could agree with you.  I can make a case in support of your claim!!</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barbara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Redmond,  what??  Darley did honor the 30k SC fee for ONE YEAR for previous breeders.  Not forever.  Darley's fees are not unreasonable, nor is their support, or terms.  Just who DO you think brought S&#38;N back to the industry?

And without Mo, Central KY is a parking lot sooner ...rather than a bit later.  He is the single entity that has had more effect on the economic health of breeders, consignors, and sales cos. than any other for the past 25 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Redmond,  what??  Darley did honor the 30k SC fee for ONE YEAR for previous breeders.  Not forever.  Darley&#8217;s fees are not unreasonable, nor is their support, or terms.  Just who DO you think brought S&amp;N back to the industry?</p>
<p>And without Mo, Central KY is a parking lot sooner &#8230;rather than a bit later.  He is the single entity that has had more effect on the economic health of breeders, consignors, and sales cos. than any other for the past 25 years.</p>
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		<title>By: Garrett Redmond</title>
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		<dc:creator>Garrett Redmond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 20:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back in June 2007, when I tried to get elected to the BC Board of Trustees, this comment of mine appeared in another industry publication:

"The drive to keep up with the Maktoums in purses should be curbed. Trying to match purses is like an arms race.  Their resources far exceed our Thoroughbred industry's.  Ergo, we cannot win.  We don't need multi-million purses on Championship Day.  Increasing the percentage to breeders and spreading the funds over more races in the year would be a fairer use."

That went over "Like a fa................................well, like a lead balloon". I got 700 votes!

Incidentally, the idea Sheikh Mohammed is doing 'a lot' for racing or the industry, is a delusion.

It does not help many that he spends billions buying the proven sires or every stallion prospect in his aim to breed Derby winners.  Then outrageously high fees are quoted to ordinary breeders.  Also, it is obvious that as he will now have so many homebreds, he is not too likely to be a big buyer of horses produced by others - unless their track exploits suggest they might be Derby prospects.

We would be better served if he honored his commitments.  AFTER Street Cry hit the top, it was announced that all who gambled by breeding to him in his initial seasons would be rewarded with the right to breed the same number of mares at his original fee of $30,000.  That was ignored when he did the arithmetic and realized he would have to breed about 300 mares at the lower fee.  That would still have produced nine-million dollars, but he decided he wanted more.  Then his frontmen say the Sheikh wants the customer to have the best of the deal!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back in June 2007, when I tried to get elected to the BC Board of Trustees, this comment of mine appeared in another industry publication:</p>
<p>&#8220;The drive to keep up with the Maktoums in purses should be curbed. Trying to match purses is like an arms race.  Their resources far exceed our Thoroughbred industry&#8217;s.  Ergo, we cannot win.  We don&#8217;t need multi-million purses on Championship Day.  Increasing the percentage to breeders and spreading the funds over more races in the year would be a fairer use.&#8221;</p>
<p>That went over &#8220;Like a fa&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..well, like a lead balloon&#8221;. I got 700 votes!</p>
<p>Incidentally, the idea Sheikh Mohammed is doing &#8216;a lot&#8217; for racing or the industry, is a delusion.</p>
<p>It does not help many that he spends billions buying the proven sires or every stallion prospect in his aim to breed Derby winners.  Then outrageously high fees are quoted to ordinary breeders.  Also, it is obvious that as he will now have so many homebreds, he is not too likely to be a big buyer of horses produced by others - unless their track exploits suggest they might be Derby prospects.</p>
<p>We would be better served if he honored his commitments.  AFTER Street Cry hit the top, it was announced that all who gambled by breeding to him in his initial seasons would be rewarded with the right to breed the same number of mares at his original fee of $30,000.  That was ignored when he did the arithmetic and realized he would have to breed about 300 mares at the lower fee.  That would still have produced nine-million dollars, but he decided he wanted more.  Then his frontmen say the Sheikh wants the customer to have the best of the deal!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Burton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Burton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 19:03:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our talent pool does not produce 14 champion level horses so we should not be running 14 BC races. All it does is degrade the quality of other key races. (The foundation races) The BC should be about pitting the best vs the best, not creating as many options as possible to have horses duck and dodge like every other weekend during  the year. 

The dirt mile is a horrible idea. All its done is dilute the classic field. Mast Track and Well Armed specifically dodged the Classic because of this race.  It should never go beyond a G3 purse as to not affect the Classic.

The filly sprint is a horrible idea. Any filly good enough to win that race should be in the actual Sprint in the first place. 

2yo turf races are a horrible idea. We don't produce that many good turf horses to begin with. Look at the PP's forlast years 2yo BC turf races, they are filled with glorified allowance horses. There are not many legit preps for those races anyway. 

The marathon is the only addition that should be commended, but with that weak purse its nothing more than an afterthought on the card. I say make it a real marathon of 2miles and put a million+ behind it rather than 500k, the cheapest race on the card. 

Lets also face facts about another thing, the BC should not be run over a synthetic surface. Our talent pool is so ridiculously thin as is, having good horses skip the event or not able to run to their best because of the surface is absurd. 

One day, core races, core surfaces. Its so simple it will never pass the vet with the BC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our talent pool does not produce 14 champion level horses so we should not be running 14 BC races. All it does is degrade the quality of other key races. (The foundation races) The BC should be about pitting the best vs the best, not creating as many options as possible to have horses duck and dodge like every other weekend during  the year. </p>
<p>The dirt mile is a horrible idea. All its done is dilute the classic field. Mast Track and Well Armed specifically dodged the Classic because of this race.  It should never go beyond a G3 purse as to not affect the Classic.</p>
<p>The filly sprint is a horrible idea. Any filly good enough to win that race should be in the actual Sprint in the first place. </p>
<p>2yo turf races are a horrible idea. We don&#8217;t produce that many good turf horses to begin with. Look at the PP&#8217;s forlast years 2yo BC turf races, they are filled with glorified allowance horses. There are not many legit preps for those races anyway. </p>
<p>The marathon is the only addition that should be commended, but with that weak purse its nothing more than an afterthought on the card. I say make it a real marathon of 2miles and put a million+ behind it rather than 500k, the cheapest race on the card. </p>
<p>Lets also face facts about another thing, the BC should not be run over a synthetic surface. Our talent pool is so ridiculously thin as is, having good horses skip the event or not able to run to their best because of the surface is absurd. </p>
<p>One day, core races, core surfaces. Its so simple it will never pass the vet with the BC.</p>
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		<title>By: bullring</title>
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		<dc:creator>bullring</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 15:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, 2010 World Cup will be worth $10 million?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, 2010 World Cup will be worth $10 million?</p>
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		<title>By: Surfer Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Surfer Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 14:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Breeders Cup could be 4 mil and the two year old race turf could be 500. They  need to keep the main races at 2 mil. Run the 2 mil races on Sat. The Big Event needs to be on Sat. Santa Anita iis the best place to run Breeders Cup. Just need to get rid of the plastic or make better plastic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Breeders Cup could be 4 mil and the two year old race turf could be 500. They  need to keep the main races at 2 mil. Run the 2 mil races on Sat. The Big Event needs to be on Sat. Santa Anita iis the best place to run Breeders Cup. Just need to get rid of the plastic or make better plastic.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Hope</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Hope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 13:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lots of interesting stuff here!  For those that have not been around long enough to remember, the BC was established to enhance pedigree in this country as well as formulate a signature day of racing in America.  The fact that they took all the NYRA GRI stakes and held them for auction is a foregiveable exercise in view of the early success and perceived fairness to a national audience.  The BC was not formulated by a cadre of non-horse people making million dollar paychecks and bonuses.  It is a fact that it was pitched over a two day period originally but that idea was abandoned because of perceived press coverage over a prolonged period.  It was not created using meaningless extras or substitute races.  It was developed using a support system of selected developmental events, as was our allowances system before it was derailed by a meaningless claiming crutch used to handicap handicappers.   This nonsense of a competition with the Sheik is a non-starter and baseless.  Money alone does not make a classic!  The Dubai system of events can and should be a convenient arrangement of stakes by which to grow and fuel the BC, not viewed as an adversarial declaration of a dollar war.  What has been established in Dubai is admirable and salute to the international horse herd by a country with no pari mutual wagering.  The temporary dilemma with BC is completely correctable if they return to basics and quit placing a premium on mediocrity and trying to create experts from the also eligible list.  There is lots of opportunity to not only save it but to reach far beyond its present position.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots of interesting stuff here!  For those that have not been around long enough to remember, the BC was established to enhance pedigree in this country as well as formulate a signature day of racing in America.  The fact that they took all the NYRA GRI stakes and held them for auction is a foregiveable exercise in view of the early success and perceived fairness to a national audience.  The BC was not formulated by a cadre of non-horse people making million dollar paychecks and bonuses.  It is a fact that it was pitched over a two day period originally but that idea was abandoned because of perceived press coverage over a prolonged period.  It was not created using meaningless extras or substitute races.  It was developed using a support system of selected developmental events, as was our allowances system before it was derailed by a meaningless claiming crutch used to handicap handicappers.   This nonsense of a competition with the Sheik is a non-starter and baseless.  Money alone does not make a classic!  The Dubai system of events can and should be a convenient arrangement of stakes by which to grow and fuel the BC, not viewed as an adversarial declaration of a dollar war.  What has been established in Dubai is admirable and salute to the international horse herd by a country with no pari mutual wagering.  The temporary dilemma with BC is completely correctable if they return to basics and quit placing a premium on mediocrity and trying to create experts from the also eligible list.  There is lots of opportunity to not only save it but to reach far beyond its present position.</p>
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