AUDIO: GILL TO GET OUT OF RACING ‘RIGHT NOW’
It wasn’t exactly Katie Couric interrogating Sarah Palin during the 2008 presidential campaign when Southern California horseman and radio host Roger Stein invited embattled owner Michael Gill on his show Sunday morning. “Michael Gill has a heart,” Stein said during his introductory remarks, adding that it “bothered me to no end when it looked like they are trying to get rid of him.”
Gill, the center of controversy because of a high number of breakdowns at Penn National and a boycott by jockeys there, defended his stable’s safety record, criticized Penn National jockeys and their agents along with the track’s management and racing surface. He said he will file lawsuits against “jockeys and trainers and racetracks.” He also said there is widespread jealousy over his success which he said is attributable to the fact his horses are given throat surgeries and treated with EPM medication. “It’s like Kentucky Fried Chicken giving out their recipe to the competition,” he told Stein.
Despite that success, Gill said he is getting out of racing again—but this time for good. “Right now,” he said in response to a question from Stein about whether there comes a time when enough is enough. “You’re going to walk away?” Stein said. “Yeah,” said Gill, saying that his family has “slept in a hotel for two nights” out of fear that his critics are “going to send hit squads to my house. … I’ve got five children and two stepchildren and I’m not going to have them fear about being home,” he said. “Maybe I can replace (racing) with some peace and quiet and deal with that.”
“You might be a tough guy, but you’re a good-hearted tough guy,” Stein said to Gill. “When you leave, they’ll never replace you, Michael…after looking at everything I feel for you.”
Said Gill: “Sometimes in this game you’ve got to fold to win.”
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Tags: EPM, Katie Couric, Kentucky Fried Chicken, Michael Gill, penn national, roger stein, Sarah Palin
February 1st, 2010 at 4:54 pm
Good riddence…but most likely a ploy for “sympathy”. ” Poor,poor persecuted Gill”
What a sociopath.
Gill did the SAME thing in 2006 when the SAME accusations were made against him..after the Delaware track fiasco, and after the Casual Conflict sawed-off leg issue at Gulfstream.
He “left” before any serious investigations were done.
The most of the unfortunate horses owned by Gill never got a decent life after he got to them on the track or….on his farm…the “Hotel California”
February 1st, 2010 at 4:56 pm
I would love to believe this. But how many times has he said this before? Like a character in a horror movie that can’t be killed, he just keeps coming back, leaving carnage in his wake.
February 1st, 2010 at 5:03 pm
Well, are you people happy now? racing has lost another owner and many people have lost there jobs!! do u all feel good about yourselves now? do u feel warm and fuzzy inside? How many people do you think are now unemployed because of this B.S. i have never seen so many vindictive people in my life, i hope karma comes around and bites you all in the ass. Are the breakdowns going to all of a sudden stop at penn now?? NO, it will not stop the breakdowns, you all went about this the wrong way and unfortunately only one group of people paid the consequence foor ur jealousy and hate toward an outfit.. Im wondering if you are all going to start a fund for the people that lost there jobs today?? u were all ready to pay the jockeys for not riding in GILL races, so now what are you going to do to help the people that have to go home tonight and tell there families that they no longer have a job or the families that re located to this area and now have homes that they can no longer afford.. you people did not think about the consequences of this at all… all you thought of were urselves and ur own greedy pockets… personally i dont think that most of u could care less about the horses, all u wanted was gill out of the business and for u people that were thinking only about the horses, well there was a little more to think about as well, that being the ones that relied on Mr.Gill to feed there families, but to all u people all he is , is a monster…. I have given up looking for the good in people now, cause what i seen the past week is sickening.. What comes around goes around and i cant wait till it goes around….. Sorry to all the Gill employees that lost there jobs because of jealousy and hate, my sympathies, Chris
February 1st, 2010 at 5:15 pm
C Silver,
If in fact he is getting out, as an owner, I am happy. I’m especially happy for the horses. When Gill claims a horse, I know it will be run into the ground usually in a very short period of time. He takes a lot of good, older horses out of circulation. Some horses need more time between races and need TLC which good old-time trainers can give them and those trainers know when the horses are ready to run. Every time Gill claims a horse, I feel bad for the horse especially if it is taken from a good, reputable trainer. Gill claims people are jealous of him because he wins races - I doubt it. As an owner, yes, I am jealous of some owner/trainers like Todd Beattie - because they have better horses than me. I wish I had their horses. As far as Gill goes, he makes bad claims and ruins horses. He says he made money in the business this year. It’s about time. Look at how many claims he made last fall at PHA for $20 - $25000 and look at where most of those horses ended up - not being able to win for $4,000. Another question to be asked is - Why did Thomas Clifton and Willam Otero, the leading riders at Penn for the past few years, stop riding for Gill.
February 1st, 2010 at 5:17 pm
To csilver:
Put a sock in …it no one believes you and your bleating drivel.
Ever hear the proverb…lay down with dogs and you get fleas.
THAT applies to every person Gill employed. Amoral degenerates just like Gill.
February 1st, 2010 at 5:19 pm
CSilver, do you have ANY idea how many owners and trainers and jockeys can now breathe a sigh of relief knowing they won’t have a 3 legged Gill horse in the gate next to them ? And just which employees are you worried about ? The low life needlers that squeezed the life out of Gill’s horses ? The cretin that shipped them to slaughter ? Good reputable trainers, exercise riders, grooms and farmhands will always have work. If you work for a sleazebag then wonder why nobody wants you around, oh well.
I hope the sleazy vets who have looked the other way will wake up and smell the roses.
February 1st, 2010 at 5:20 pm
Thanks Ray for the opportunity to be part of running Mr. Gill out of the business
February 1st, 2010 at 5:22 pm
C Silver
As for help losing their jobs, yes I feel bad for them. But, if any reputable trainer had the number of horses Gill has, they would have many more people employed. Gill does not have nearly enough grooms to give proper care to the number of horses he has. If he disperses his stable, there will be more people need to work for the peole that the horses go to. Last year at Suffold Downs, he was hiring people off the street corner and calling them “grooms”.
February 1st, 2010 at 5:24 pm
please excuse the misspellings in my previous post.
February 1st, 2010 at 5:26 pm
Does csilver realize that most backstretch help often transition through different barns? Does csilver realize that more jobs/dollars into the sport are lost when the industry allows problems like this to continue?
I’m happy but alas, I realize racing’s problems go beyond Gill. Someone was training those horses. Try researching the breakdowns at Aqueduct 4 years ago when the officials eventually admitted that there were no funds to fix the problems.
February 1st, 2010 at 5:30 pm
Statistically speaking, I would bet the fate of each Gill horse improves very slightly, now that they’re going elsewhere? It’s a good possibility with racing as is.
February 1st, 2010 at 5:38 pm
csilver
either you are playing dumb or you dont know how the backstretch at a racetrack operates. the minute gills operation subsides his employees grooms, hot walkers, etc, etc. will find jobs almost immediately if they are any good in another barn for another trainer.
because the pay wage is low and the hours are demanding , help on the backstretch is always in demand.
February 1st, 2010 at 5:45 pm
Don,
I don’t think he’s PLAYING dumb.
February 1st, 2010 at 5:46 pm
Posting this here because it’s the most recent of the Gill threads.
Just found a new listing on PA CANTER for Nor’easterner, who last ran for Gill on 1/16/10 at PEN (#1). He’s 5yo gelding by Fusaichi Pegasus. Gill claimed him in Mar09, ran him 12 times (2 wins). Record: 25-4-6-0, $125,920.
http://www.canterusa.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1781:noreasterner&catid=58:pa-trainer-listings&directory=279
February 1st, 2010 at 5:52 pm
Curious forum for Michael Gill to deliver a mesage; the Roger Stein show based on the west coast? Back east, word is Penn National might be going through some of its personnel and procedures in conjunction with the Gill retirement to see what might be best. Everybody else that races there had better be on their best behavior in the future as a result of this whole fiasco. Maybe that’s the silver lining, but what a shame the dead horses, injured jcokeys and displaced innocent bystanders.
February 1st, 2010 at 5:53 pm
Ace,
You should also thank Ray for letting people tell the truth about Gill. Anybody involved in racing at the tracks where he has run, knows whats going on!
February 1st, 2010 at 5:53 pm
unfortunately i cannot here the audio from the interview, but my first question would be , where was this joker roger stein when they ran gill`s %$$%% out of california a few years ago? i dont recall stein being a vocal supporter to get him back there or is this just a coincedence now stein is on his bandwagon because gill is 3000 miles away.
February 1st, 2010 at 5:55 pm
C silver , you don’t learn the right way to train to horses with that creep.If that’s the way you enjoy training horses then go apply at the Ness barn. I’m very sorry about your job and all but if you wanna be a true horseman there’s way better trainers that do things the right way out there.
February 1st, 2010 at 5:57 pm
this is a better smokescreen than the allies laid down at normandy. i seriously doubt gill is quitting.
February 1st, 2010 at 5:59 pm
pumper
you might be on to something, im thinking you are right on the money
February 1st, 2010 at 6:02 pm
Phew, I’m glad there’ll never be another poor ol’ claimer run into the ground again, never another breakdown, now that the demon of racing is gone.
February 1st, 2010 at 6:04 pm
Ciela, there won’t be as many - for sure.
February 1st, 2010 at 6:05 pm
csilver
send me your email ,i will get you a job a penn national with a reputable operation ,as long as you are qualified. being that you are from the gill operation i am not so sure.
February 1st, 2010 at 6:06 pm
No one should throw stones at Roger Stein. He is hated by racetrack employees in California, which is a high recommendation in itself. The CHRB tried to frame him for a cocaine positive that cost him alot of cash and the fact he is supportive of Gill gives me pause.
However, I do think Gill is a horse killer so buhbye.
February 1st, 2010 at 6:08 pm
gill and his family slept in a hotel for two nights, thats because they went skiing at Killington over the weekend
February 1st, 2010 at 6:12 pm
Lets just hope he means it and It does not mean selling his horses to Mrs. Gill or someone that
is going to run his horses under their name…As for CSILVER yes I feel bad for any person that loses their job but if this didnt happen now it was going to be someones life and that cannot be replaced…The job can be…….I would feel alot worse if a rider/father was a victim to one more of these breakdowns… I understand there are going to be breakdowns in horse racing but not at the rate in which we have witnessed lately………SEE YA
February 1st, 2010 at 6:15 pm
big words rockrest BIG guy wants to shoot his mouth off behind a computer … believe me i kno this business much better then you do, thatss why i see exactly what this little click has done, thats all penn is A CLICK and you all pout like little babies when people come in here and take your money, what owner will u try to run out now, this track is corrupt , get that through ur very little brain..thats the problem, too many owners on here, that actually think they kno hoow the business works, bet ur one of those owners that carries a condition book around picking out races for ur horses.. i got one thing to tell u that might help u win a few races…. trainer- condition book owner- checkbook
As i have written many times before, but u must be blind to the facts as everyone else is, it wont stop the daily breakdowns which is the real issue, is it not Rockrest?? the only one thats “dumb” here is YOU if thats what u believe…. The issue is breakdowns and they happened when gill was not running for those three days still… so genious, whats the next step if horses keep breaking down, who are u going to point the finger at now???
February 1st, 2010 at 6:17 pm
Also… I will not be completely satisfied until it is official….I hope this does not mean he is going to be able to run his horses wed. or thurs…..because that would be devastating if something did happen on one of his last horses run….
February 1st, 2010 at 6:19 pm
I think a lot of people are missing the point that jockey’s lives are on the line in every race. If they don’t feel safe for any reason, i.e. track condition, they shouldn’t be forced to ride. I don’t think they have a personal vendetta against Michael Gill, but a genuine fear for their own safety as a result of a lot of Gill’s horses breaking down lately. I think the PA horse commission can do a better job of protecting the jocks by pre-race blood samples, and pre-race exams of all horses running, something that most every other state does.
February 1st, 2010 at 6:19 pm
Goodbye Mr. Gill. You will not be missed. I especially liked the part of the interview where you said three times that John Krulock go you in here. That parting shot brings up the point why would a jockey agent have the power to place an OWNER with a barn full of stalls at Penn National. Many questions to be answered here
February 1st, 2010 at 6:22 pm
The fact that Cole Norman is his farm manager tells enough. Gill will rot in hell with his associates.
February 1st, 2010 at 6:22 pm
csilver
how do you know that you know the business better than rockrest? i have been reading both yours and his postings and come away with your an idiot. now you are blaming the track as being corrupt ? what else is next.
February 1st, 2010 at 6:22 pm
Lets just see who the shady racing secretary will give his stalls to???
February 1st, 2010 at 6:24 pm
i hear burton sipp wants them
February 1st, 2010 at 6:26 pm
Don, thanks but i am employed and am just visiting here for awhile thats all, i am not by any means a gill fan, i am just upset about how all this went down, i trhink there is a lot more to the story then just gill, if u were to read my very first thread. i dont like how my friends that do work for him were totally bashed, you dont just come on the internet and destroy someones charactor, its not right, now that gill is gone they will never get down to the real issues here.. i personally have no interest in this track whatsoever, but i will defend the people that can not defend themselves. This track has great purses but it is virtually impossible to train horses properly here due to the vet issue.. the sad thing is that this track has potential because of its location to many other tracks..
February 1st, 2010 at 6:26 pm
What were his breakdown rates? Does anyone have any credible evidence that he was breaking down more horses than the leading trainer at Penn National?
Get rid of him if it is necessary, but make sure that someone thinks about the decision first.
February 1st, 2010 at 6:28 pm
everything about this place is corrupt there don, if u dont see that then who is the real idiot, buddy
February 1st, 2010 at 6:31 pm
PANTS ON THE GROUND, PANTS ON THE GROUND, LOOKIN LIKE A FOOL WITH YOUR PANTS ON THE GROUND!
February 1st, 2010 at 6:33 pm
That shady racing secretary will have to get a second job since he won’t have a paycheck from gill coming in.
February 1st, 2010 at 6:33 pm
Sorry, had to laugh, all this sh## is driving me nuts.
February 1st, 2010 at 6:34 pm
paulick’
I thought you said you would monitor postings, a posting like # 30 is not appropriate for anyone, I don’t care who they are.
February 1st, 2010 at 6:34 pm
if i have to explain to you don, what goes on at this track and what is wrong with it, then u should not be posting at all, cause if u dont see it with ur own eyes, thenn u dont kno how a track needs to run, but my bad, if this is the only track u kno and been around then u would not kno how a real track operates
February 1st, 2010 at 6:35 pm
I don’t think we’ll see Roger Stein on 20/20 anytime soon.
How does a jockey agent land stalls for an owner?
February 1st, 2010 at 6:39 pm
He”ll Be back!
February 1st, 2010 at 6:42 pm
Nika,
I think you mean a different number, no?
February 1st, 2010 at 6:44 pm
Roger Stein really comes across as a jackass in this interview. It’s obvious he does not know all the facts in this case. Matter of fact, he should be ashamed of himself for fawning over Gill as if he was the greatest owner currently in the business. This interview was a nauseating display by a bumbling, illiterate radio show host. I vow never, ever to listen to him again. Somebody should pull the plug on Stein!
February 1st, 2010 at 6:44 pm
CSilver
I am an owner that does carry around a condition book and picks out races. I also have every chart of every race run at penn in the past five years. I handicap and claim. In five years, I have had about 200 starters and have won at @18%. I work closely with my trainer. If the horses are not ready to run - they don’t run. If they need it, they go to the farm. The horse’s health and welfare is the most important part of the business - that’s how you make can stay in the business and make a few dollars.
I am not pouting about Gill taking my money. He gives away more money thru his bad claims - check his record. I took one horse off him and won first out. It was a horse he had for only one start, so I know he didn’t have a chance to ruin it. By the way, who is in the “click”. I am out of state and do not know any other owners at Penn.
And, what is it that you know about racing that i don’t know - educate me.
February 1st, 2010 at 6:46 pm
I think he should go on Oprah. It worked for Letterman.
February 1st, 2010 at 6:48 pm
csilver
if everything is so corrupt there, why dont you leave and go someplace else? by the way i race very few horses at penn , so i guess you would be more of the expert there.
February 1st, 2010 at 6:50 pm
Don’t you guys know that racing is corrupt everywhere. It’s just a matter of to what degree.
February 1st, 2010 at 6:55 pm
rockrest
you sound like you have a top notch racing stable going on at penn national, maybe some of these posters can learn something from you, good luck!
February 1st, 2010 at 6:56 pm
First and foremost, Thank You to Mr. Paulick for following up on this story and keeping it on the front page. Second, To all the educated comments for exposing what a complete low life this Gill is, Thank You!
I will believe it when I see it, Gill talks a good game, He has NEVER been a man of his word, Let’s hope for once he keeps his word and leaves forever. I won’t even address the interview with Mr. Stein because it is and was a joke of an interview…
I just wish this all played out differently years ago when Gill should NEVER have been allowed anywhere near a track. To the people that defend him, I feel sorry for you people, You are either very dumb or incredibly niave.
C.Silver, I believe you fall into the category of being incredibly niave, You honestly have no clue what type of monster this person is, If you did, You would never defend him or feel sorry for his empoyees being out of work, They have a chance to find work if they are qualified in the field, If not, At least they can decide their fate, Gill’s horses never had that chance…
Finally, Mr. Gill, Please, For once in your life, Do what you say and leave, You truely are an evil man with zero morals, Good Riddance…
February 1st, 2010 at 6:57 pm
Pumper,
There are people in the game that are not corrupt and try to do the right things so I can’t say the whole game is corrupt. A lot of people like to blame their lack of success on corruption - bad ride, etc.. - instead of looking at their own operation. It’s a tough business with a lot of setbacks.
February 1st, 2010 at 7:02 pm
Didn’t say the whole game is corrupt. There is corruption at every track on some level. Clerk of scales reporting wrong weights, clockers fabricating times, and a whole slew of other things.
February 1st, 2010 at 7:08 pm
racing has lost another owner and many people have lost there jobs!!
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There is rumored to be many illegals who collect a paycheck from Gill. If that’s the case, those aren’t jobs that were going to Americans or to people here with the proper paperwork.
Just sayin’.
February 1st, 2010 at 7:18 pm
greg, u totally mis understood when i said i was defending the ones that cant, this is something that went on many days ago, when people came on here and were bashing many trainers characters, a lot of trainers that i feel they are jealous of because they do well or claim a lot of horses, even trainers that are not involved in this situation but people want to throw jabs at others for no reason.. Gill is a puke, i dont deny it one bit, but he is taking the fall for all the wrong doings in this business, there are so many issues that need to be cleared up here and i dont think the finger should be pointed in one direction… i think we need owners like him in the business to claim the bad horses that he does, u just need to have someone keep track of his horses before they end up in sluaghter houses, i dont kno if they do tho, i dont assume things, i like facts, thats all… i kno i would not like people talking lies about me and slandering my name for personal vendetta that happened on here days ago
February 1st, 2010 at 7:19 pm
I have no doubt he’ll be back, but I’m thrilled he’s getting out, at least for the time being.
Now the MAJOR process of rehoming a large number of horses in an already over saturated and crappy market… that is going to be a process.
February 1st, 2010 at 7:20 pm
For C Silver & Others who wish to defend Gill:
Racing doesn’t need people who cheat the sport, bring it bad publicity and who can’t account for the whereabouts of all of their horses once they are no longer racing.
If Gill has nothing to hide, has done nothing wrong, let the investigation move forward. Innocent people don’t quit; they stay and fight for justice.
I cannot say I am sorry to see Gill leave the sport. The people who will lose their jobs will find it difficult because they did work for Gill, but there are good people who worked on his farm and who were concerned about the horses & their welfare. I hope people will give them a chance when they go job hunting.
As for Gill: Don’t come back again, seriously, unless you can play by the rules and treat your horses with the dignity they deserve.
And next time any owners/trainers have horses to enter at Penn, please reward the jockeys who chose to stand up and voice their concerns. Please consider them to ride your horses…they sacrified a lot to make this dangerous situation with Gill’s horses public.
February 1st, 2010 at 7:33 pm
Knowing the business and understanding how things works does not appoint you King. And you don’t learn honor or integrity by simply being on the job. You learn it from being honorable during the performance of the job, even when it hurts. The problem with our game is, there is no reward for honor. The heroes in our sport are the ones that know the SYSTEM, and how to bend the rules. Dishonesty pays, they give awards to the best cheats, and we all know it. That’s why it’s so refreshing when “one of the good guys” gets a fair shake.
In this regard, I could care less about this whole Gill situation. He’s an owner. That’s all. With even a modicum of PREVENTIVE legislation, enforcement and REAL penalties, we’d be talking about horse racing tonight, not THIS. For decades, the game has allows the inmates to run the asylum.
February 1st, 2010 at 7:34 pm
I ‘M SORRY,
I meant that posting #31 is not necessary.
Paulick, if you are monitoring postings people that wish other people harm should not have a voice on any sort of network.
February 1st, 2010 at 7:38 pm
“Gill wins races” lol that’s a good one. Gill doesn’t win enough for the money he spent and the amount of horses/starts he had. If you take enough three point shots you will eventually make more three point shots than anyone else. He was a low percentage winner, nothing more.
February 1st, 2010 at 7:41 pm
Csilver
You are still wrong about NEEDING owners like him. WE DON’T NEED ANYBODY LIKE HIM IN THE BUSINESS. You are right that the game need owners willing to invest their money but they have to play by the rules. With Gill in the business and all the bad publicity, it’s going to keep people out of the business.
February 1st, 2010 at 7:47 pm
#27 Hey Csilver, it’s clique, not click. lol
February 1st, 2010 at 7:47 pm
Hey, what’s up
February 1st, 2010 at 7:48 pm
If i was the agent mentioned in the Gill interview with Stein I don’t think I’d get much sleep tonight and I’d consider trying to save face or rolling over and starting to name names…
February 1st, 2010 at 7:48 pm
dray33
I don’t know how much you know abouit Gill - but he is not just an owner. He ends up with trainers that he can control and calls all the shots. He is in the mortgage business and has been in serious trouble in that business also. Fom day one, several years ago when he got into the racing business, he has been very controversial.
February 1st, 2010 at 7:48 pm
Who is CSilver?
February 1st, 2010 at 7:49 pm
Not much, Joe Schmo. We’re talking about the radio interview today with Roger Stein and Michael Gill. What is your take?
February 1st, 2010 at 7:49 pm
I am afraid there will be a day when racing in on the verge of being ‘euthanized’ at Penn National (like in California today) and everyone will wish they had owners like Michael Gill.
I believe that owners like Michael Gill getting out of horse racing will be another chink in racings aluminum armour.
So sad to see this happening and I do not feel this would ever happen in desperate California.
February 1st, 2010 at 7:50 pm
The elimination of Gill is only step one of the clean up plan at this racetrack. If his retirement from racing is legitimate(and that is questionable), there are still many issues that need to be tackled. Questions such as how did the man get such power to have his way with this track in the first place? Why was there not a more efficient job done by mangagement and executives to police the situation when it was clearly getting out of hand.
A full investigation should be conducted to determine just how a jockey agent got authority to openly and without scrutiny, bring an entire barn of horses to penn national’s backside. Questions need to be asked by upper level management as to just how Michael Gill found a cozy setup at Penn when other tracks refuse to allow him to stable on their grounds. They need to do some soul searching when wondering how personal relationships in a place of business cloud judgement and can lead to what is perceived as extreme corruption.
Any deficiency to examine these issues in full and impose proper disciplinary sanctions on those parties involved, will surely lead to history repeating itself
February 1st, 2010 at 7:50 pm
Sounds like you and all your peeps are doing a great thing here, Mr. Myectomty.
February 1st, 2010 at 7:52 pm
“but i will defend the people that can not defend themselves” How about perhaps defending the horses who can not defend for themselves? Get the hell out of here!
February 1st, 2010 at 7:53 pm
bigger picture,
what are you smokin? wish we had owners like gill? he is all that is bad about racing, get real.
February 1st, 2010 at 7:54 pm
Hey JoeSchmo could U let me know whats going on here
February 1st, 2010 at 7:54 pm
Bigger PIcture the state already dipped into the slots money !!! It’s only a matter of time ! It will be a slow death.
February 1st, 2010 at 7:55 pm
Not sure Sister…, I’m just hoping to get informed myself. It’s been ongoing for a week now but there’s a lot of reading to do.
February 1st, 2010 at 7:56 pm
I hope that the investigations into the Gill breakdowns dont end with Gill throwing in the towel. The trainers and vets who managed these horses must be scrutinized (and held accountable) as well.
February 1st, 2010 at 8:00 pm
gail vacca
good point, adamo and dellahousaye must share in the responsibility, no question.
February 1st, 2010 at 8:00 pm
Deja vue? He’s been gone before?
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/42723/commentary-oh-me-oh-myectomy
short excerpt: |The myectomy fad was popularized by a claiming owner of several years back. This was the fearsome Michael Gill, who claimed so many horses that he caused some tracks to deny him stalls. Gill, now disappeared from the scene, was noted for claiming a horse for, say, $25,000, performing a routine myectomy, and then winning with the animal at the $40,000 level. Surely myectomies were not the backbone of his success.””
The Gill horses, is there a plan in place to retire them?
February 1st, 2010 at 8:01 pm
Were is the proof of cheating??? What was being done to the horses that is considered cheating?? were is the proof of blocking horses?? yes, when people do illegal things they need to be put out of the game or punished, but i dont see the proof?? I seen his horses ship in from his farm and they looked healthy to me?? they look like they were well taken care of, i just dont see facts on what is being said about his horses, and i have seen a lot of sore horses in warm ups and nothin has been done about it, there are a lot of sore horses running at penn (fact) no one can prove me wrong, why are these horses able to run sore? cause there not gill horses? I JUST WANT TO SEE PROOF BEFORE I PROSECUTE OR MAKE ASSUMPTIONS .. how come there has not been any bad test and how come the autopsy of the horses come back clean, how come the humain society went out to the farm and there were no issues with the farm??? WERE is the PROOF???
February 1st, 2010 at 8:02 pm
Good point Don,
What will happen to his 2 trainers when he quits? Not that it sounds like anyone cares but hopefully jockeys won’t ride for either of them if they get new clients. Would have to think that any owners that give them horses would make for another lethal combination.
February 1st, 2010 at 8:04 pm
I wonder if the breakdowns are related to Eight Belles, Barbaro, and Go For Wands…Idiots always wanting to create ‘fast times’ by sealing the dirt track….Maybe the people doing the track maintenace should be reviewed instead of the owner of the horse that breaks down……why not just run them in the street…..
Wow, it just hit me…..Rubber Horseshoes, like tires, since they do run on freeways….
IT REALLY MIGHT WORK!
February 1st, 2010 at 8:05 pm
2005 Eclipse award winning owner? Can we have a recall or at least void the election?
February 1st, 2010 at 8:05 pm
Are the riders going to boycott Darrel D and Anthony A if they enter horses not owned by Gill? Anyone know? Darrel D claimed a horse for some guy name Harry Witt last week.
February 1st, 2010 at 8:07 pm
Hey csilver first of all were is where and second the proof is u seem to know alot about the gill operation so does this make u guilty by association…..if so that would be a real THORNE in your side chris
February 1st, 2010 at 8:11 pm
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February 1st, 2010 at 8:13 pm
I don’ t agree with Gill about people picking on him. Nobody picks on Billy Hays or the Ramsey’s and I believe they probably have a similar number of horses, correct?
February 1st, 2010 at 8:23 pm
joe,
It seems to me not everyone has problems with Gill and Adamo. I saw today that he win one at philly today with Stewart Elliott. Carmouche and Mariano. These are certainly not riders that need Gill to make or break them. Interesting!!!
February 1st, 2010 at 8:25 pm
Illmans blog on DRF has all the articles posted from when Gill May or may not have had a horses leg amputated. Its interesting and slightly creepy to read.
February 1st, 2010 at 8:33 pm
Maybe they can reinstate Cole Norman if he agrees to a tell all and goes completely legit?
February 1st, 2010 at 8:36 pm
Stephanie, you mean the DRF still covers the news around horse racing? That is a novel concept.
February 1st, 2010 at 8:40 pm
no cant say im guilty by association, and if u really think i care about my name being in here or people knowing who i am, ur wrong, only if u were not hiding behind false names .. i got nothing to hide and opinions that need to be spoken
February 1st, 2010 at 8:46 pm
csilver, what do you think of Penn National? Do you feel that people there are trying to sabotage Gill as well?
February 1st, 2010 at 8:53 pm
Does anyone on this board know this John Krulok ? Does he really carry as much weight as Gill suggests?
February 1st, 2010 at 9:05 pm
Horse racing cannot afford owners like Mike Gill and to let infirm horses race –even if they can be numbed enough to appear sound– at Penn tracks and all others from coast to coast. Racing is digging its own grave and is still unwilling to change.
Where are all the racing grand poo-bahs, did they left the building for a remote location like the Gill family did?
I can just imagine Alex Waldrop swearing right now that horses are priority #1 in racing, just as he did with a straight face in front of everyone following 8 Belles’s death 21 months ago. Where is Mr. Waldrop? Busy accrediting Penn National and Charles Town for integrity and safety now after accrediting Evangeline Downs and Calder?
I don’t know anything about Roger Stein now other than he has a talk show, however, years ago he and Gill would have been a match.
February 1st, 2010 at 9:10 pm
Well it seems the witch hunt has gotten Gill to leave. Listening to him on the Stein show he sure comes off a lot better than some on here make him out to be. He makes a lot of valid points and answers a lot of the claims made against him. But hey….what’s done is done. Now maybe Paulick can go after some of the other “bad” owners in the game. I think he should do some looking into Maggie Moss and the army of cheaters she employs. It’s kind of ironic how she trashes Gill, who’s trainers have not had positives, even though she has employed some of the WORST offenders out there. Talk about a hypocrite.
February 1st, 2010 at 9:19 pm
Fair points, Scavs.
February 1st, 2010 at 9:25 pm
Hiya,
I’ll believe it when I see he is gone and the horses aren’t running under a ’shell’ corporation or with a member of his family.
Did he really ski at Killington this past weekend? Can someone confirm that? I live at a Vermont ski resort, haved worked PR at ski resorts, and done everything from swinging chairs to flipping burgers to marketing when needed at ski resorts in NY and NE. For a long, long time, skiing supported my horse habit.
I just think it is a riot about his story of having to get a hotel room if he was really there to ski or snowboard. Dollars to donuts, he’s a snowboarder. This is about as big a ‘diss’ I can work up tonight. I’m exhausted from the ongoing drama and I do have political writing to do.
The Gila Monster saga probably will continue.
Hallie
February 1st, 2010 at 9:31 pm
SCavs
Why don’t you post your unfounded, unsupported criticisms of Maggie Moss at PA…the place where any anti-Gill post is removed for “not having proof” You have no problem spewing unfounded,unproved, unsupported libelous comments about Moss here.
Hypocritical…how could anyone expect any credibility from any post of yours.
February 1st, 2010 at 9:36 pm
Myectomy
I know John krulock. Very well respected. In 2008 and for a few years prior, he had Thomas Clifton and William Otero, the two leading riders at Penn. They finished 1 & 2 for a few years in a row. His riders were very hard to get as they rode for the bigger stables - The Beatties, Scott Lake etc.. A lot of people would love to have had the chance to ride Clifton or Otero regularly. Gill had both. I don’t know why but Krulock replaced Clifton with Dana Whitney, another very good rider. Does it make any sense that they no longer ride for Gill. Did he find better riders? I don’t think so. Maybe, and most likely, they didn’t want to ride for him because they were sick of getting on bad horses and feared for their lives.
February 1st, 2010 at 9:37 pm
The answer to Myectomy’s question is, I believe john krulock is a jockey agent. He has been known to be aiding trainers in acquiring stalls for many years now, in fact he is so well known form this, that on the backside they refer to him as “Stallman”.
February 1st, 2010 at 9:49 pm
Is Scavs really PA? He really shoudn’t be dissing Maggi Moss like that
February 1st, 2010 at 10:02 pm
Joes,
Thank you for clearing that up. It does seem rather far fetched that a jockey agent could have that much pull. The way people talk about him would make you think he drives around in a mercedes or something.
February 1st, 2010 at 10:02 pm
Scavs,
First off, Gill is better then the best used car salesman, If you believe a word this guy says, Well, I have some beautiful swamp land in florida for you…
Second, Mentioning Gill’s name in the same sentence with Maggi Moss is laughable, You abviously don’t know Maggi, Also, It would add to your credibilty if you knew how to spell her name correctly…
Also, Why do you think Gill picked Stein to do the interview? Do your homework people…
Finally, Gill’s Farm in the interview, What a joke! It is a horrific place…
February 1st, 2010 at 10:04 pm
Myectomy
Krulock is just a hard working jock’s agent who obviously has done a good job based on the results. Gill probably had him help enter horses. I doubt if he carried any weight as Gill says. He may have had a lot of input because he had a much better understanding of Penn racing than Gill, DD or AA.
February 1st, 2010 at 10:07 pm
this has been a really beautiful display of the Innocent until proven guilty. (oh no it has not, sorry). Legally mr. gill can euthanize everyone of his horses on the farm. Given how expensive it is to feed horses everyday, I can only hope he puts them all out of their misery. One for each of the anti gill posters here. I would love for it to end this way with the doctors and help all chanting Ray Paulick every time one is being injected and hits the floor. Hope you all have lovely evenings.
February 1st, 2010 at 10:13 pm
Euthenasia
You are right - legally he can euthanize everyone of his horses on the farm. He can also tap &, block every horse. He can do a myectomy on every horse. He can run horses into the ground. Who cares? obviously you don’t. Have a good night.
February 1st, 2010 at 10:16 pm
Euthanasia, you sound to me like someone who needs a hug.
February 1st, 2010 at 10:18 pm
Ray, can we get a new poll on the homepage tomorrow?
Is Michael Gill getting out of racing good or bad for racing?
- Good
- Bad
February 1st, 2010 at 10:21 pm
not from anyone here. You are a bunch of losers. I can tell from your posts. Losing trainers and losing owners, and for you not in the game just good old fashioned losers. Any way you look at it losers.
February 1st, 2010 at 10:22 pm
Why don’t all you guys just get together and have a drink to all this . I’ll join you …. Cheers to the end of Gill
February 1st, 2010 at 10:25 pm
Euthanasia, what is your role in the game? I’m not trying to ignite a fight, just want to know what your function in this crazy industry is.
February 1st, 2010 at 10:25 pm
Right again euthanasia - In a 10 horse field, there are 9 losers. Where does that put you?
February 1st, 2010 at 10:27 pm
in front by 10
February 1st, 2010 at 10:30 pm
myectomy, i am head of the racing geeks who hide behind computers club. glad to see so many members here
February 1st, 2010 at 10:36 pm
I heard the Racing Commission launched their investigation today which means they probably picked up the phone to call Dominos.
February 1st, 2010 at 10:36 pm
Euthenasia
If you are the leader can you enlighten us as to your knowledge of the Gill situation?
February 1st, 2010 at 10:41 pm
Euthenasia = csilver
February 1st, 2010 at 10:45 pm
So Euthanasia, are you saying that you are Michael Gill?
February 1st, 2010 at 11:18 pm
Good point Scavs.
Now that Gil will no longer be around the jockey’s better start checking the condition of horses at Smart and something Stables (small outfit and therefore, can’t remember the name). He admitted (not sure it was this blog or another) that he entered sore horses in hopes that Gill would claim them! As a matter of fact, I haven’t seen a post from him since… at least not under his own name. I would imagine, however, that some of the immature, character attacks are still being made by him (using an alias) or by his other immature followers.
Those of you making accusations having NO PROOF of what you are saying can only hope to be as successful at training as Norman and Adamo. I ‘m sure they have done nothing to any of you, but you find it necessary to assassinate their character. It appears that you are very jealous of these two trainers Myectomy. Sounds a little familiar … could you be a pawn for ‘Smart’. It’s very easy to be brave when hiding behind a computer screen!
I hope that you NEVER have to experience what you are putting Gil, Adamo and Norman (and their families) through. I am sure, however, your actions will come back to bite you someday!!!
By the way, I did a little research into trainer Layne Gil’s record down in Tampa and what a record it was…..NOT! He sure likes to talk about other trainers, but fails to disclose his own mishaps. Ever hear the saying “People who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones”. Something many of you, and you know who you are, should keep in mind.
(Mona: I do hope you have no children. I would hate to think of the values you instill in them. You must be a very angry and, probably, very lonely individual).
February 1st, 2010 at 11:19 pm
Euthanasia,
After seeing your comments, I am so glad I opted to further my education and didn’t follow the path you have chosen! Seriously, You use the word “losers” or a form of the word, five times in one comment? I guess you are what you write, Bravo!
February 1st, 2010 at 11:29 pm
Nika,
It is obvious you have ZERO connection to the business going by your comments. People who actually know the likes of Gill and his pawn trainers, We know what he has done and if you knew what this monster is capable of, You would see how how wrong your comments were. So, Keep writing your comments, With each one you write, It shows how little you actually know about the truth…
February 1st, 2010 at 11:30 pm
riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight !!!
Have we not heard this same EXACT sob story from this person before? What is the the saying “any publicity s good publicity”
hmmmmm
February 2nd, 2010 at 12:35 am
Ray and Brad: Isn’t amazing how these “news explosions” hit every so often and crank up your rate-card for advertising fees?
Just proves, you can do the right thing - and make money.
Gill’s retirements are starting to look like a bad parody of the Brett Favre annual Here We Go Again.
February 2nd, 2010 at 1:10 am
oh greg…. I do know much more than you think! Maybe I’m just used to establishments that are run with class; something I am sure you have not had the pleasure of experiencing. I honestly think it is folks like you that give the industry a bad name. You hide behind a puter screen, blast people you most likely do not know, and show how uneducated and ignorant you really are. But, then again, I guess you do need something to do when not mucking stalls. Is that how you describe it or is it more to your level of understanding if I say “shoveling sh**”.
February 2nd, 2010 at 3:18 am
Stein leg wraps this scummo just like he does with every cheat in the business. This comes from a trainer (Stein) that dumped a horse that made him tons of money Music Merci. That horse ended up in a rescue farm. Its’ in Steins blood and this is the circle of people he admires. We won’t mention the medication violations Stein has had. Steins show is more about gambling than the care of the animal. I wouldn’t even keep one of my horses in the same shedrow as him.
February 2nd, 2010 at 7:14 am
Nika,
You write with such Eloquence, lol…All I will say is keep posting your comments, You say I am ignorant and uneducated? Too funny…
Jr.,
Bravo about Stein! Gill and Stein are from the same exact mold…
February 2nd, 2010 at 7:16 am
I don’t know why I’m responding to this but I feel compelled to give some facts about this “situation”. The reason for not giving my name is because I am involved with Penn National and do not wished to be fingered out. Even though I feel I’m educated I will spell things wrong in this blog and will improperly use grammar, so I appologize. I will first start out by saying that I back the riders at Penn 100%. I said to myself 3 months ago “why do these riders continue to ride for Mr. Gill”? I’m now asking myself “why would I want to ride in a race with one of his horses”? (I’m not a jockey at Penn). While I’ve never been a fan of Mr. Gill, I’m not certain if he should have the crosshairs directly pointing at him! That being said, I still think that he is an “undesireable”.
When Maggie Moss wrote that letter to the paulick report, I thought she went out on a very thin limb. A limb that I don’t think she should be on alone. I know Penn should accept some of this responsibility of the problems we are having. I’ve been to at least 5 or 6 tracks to watch training in the morning and oversee everyday life of the backside. The everyday activities of the horsemen, veterinarians (both state appointed and private), and officials are unnacceptable.
Lets start with horsemen. I’ve seen more sore horses train at Penn, than any other track that I’ve ever been to. Whether it’s jogging, galloping, or breezing you may see a dozen horses a morning that you would think should not be training on that particular day. I do understand that this has been a staple at Penn for a longtime, and MANY trainers are very cappable of training a “special need” horse. The money that is given away there should overtime help this. Why? because horsemen there can now make this their living, they can buy/claim better horses. I’ve seen it at other tracks, and it will happen at Penn. Like in any business “the strong survive”. If you want something bad enough you will work hard for it.
Now onto the private practice vets at Penn. “SHAME ON YOU”!!!!! Everyone at Penn knows that there is not a vet on the ground until 9:30am. Training in the summer starts at 5:30am, and is presently starting at 7:30am. There has been several occasions where a horse has broken down, and I’ve seen trainers, riders and/or other trainers standing with their horse/s waiting for a vet to come to the track. I’m not talking minutes, I’m talking hours!!!! Everyone knows this is true. I’ve seen a trainer breeze a horse and after the breeze the horse broke down and an hour later a vet arrived. All tracks I’ve ever been to, there has always been a practice that was there when training opened. It gets better, there is not one vet one the grounds after the first race. Why is this you ask?? Because there is no more lasix to give!! I’m not saying that I’ve never seen a vet scope a horse after the races, because I saw it for the first time this week. However, this was a new vet that came back to do it for a friend. I personally had a horse get hurt in a race (7th Race). I called my vet and he told me to pop it some bute and I’ll be there first thing in the morning. The horse could not get comfortable all night. I watched my vet drive in around 9:45am, and after three calls, and two hours later he came to treat my horse that slab fractured it’s knee. Once again, I believe that this can change, and most certain needs to change!!!!
Officials, I’m not familiar with this department at all so my comments are just observations. Like any track accept for NYRA I feel that they are being a little stingy in the pockets when it comes to having enough, and sufficient help. Although they have tried to help with the surface, they are not trying to help the surface. Last year there was a survey taken that management handed out asking what we thought about the racetrack. For about three months the track seemed pretty good, but without proper maintance it slipped away and until this winter it was a poor surface. It is once again a pretty decent surface. Management however needs to meet with a regular group of trainers and riders maybe bi-weekly to ask questions, and try to stay on top of this SAFETY issue. It is done at least three other tracks I’ve been to, and all three tracks maintain a good racing surface. Last for management, state vets, at least three or four. Two to check morning horses, and another two for the night races. You could even check them all right before the races. Actually look at them when they gallop out in a race, and come back. You could find at least one a race that don’t come back good.
I know I’m going on and on but I see alot wrong, and I so desperately want to see this sport strive!!!! I was born into it, I love it, I’ll never want to do anything else with my life. Let’s stop the bashing, and lets start fixing!!
I’ve had a bad test before, it was for a tranquilizer (that is legal to have in the barn) but illegal to run on. Was I guilty? Yes, did I do it intentionally? No, it was on the bit of a 2yo that went out to the track, and right after a filly that was in a day later had the same bit in her mouth. It caused her to get a positive test. I said this because “Jamie Ness, Steve Asmussen, Stephanie Beattie, Chris Richard”……I’m forgetting some, are all good people, and do things “right”. They might have gotten bad tests, but the majority of tests came back positive of something that is legal to have in a stable!!! There was a mistake made and it was dealt with. Move on, get back to business. We as a hole are mainly made up of uneducated people (barring owners, commisions, and vets), but we all have some level of common sense, lets use it!!!!
February 2nd, 2010 at 8:21 am
Reese,
Go look up the records on her trainers….Assmussen, Lake, and Contessa…….then get back to me.
http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/sports/2003/06/20/2003-06-20_the_day_at_the_races.html
http://sports.espn.go.com/horse/news/2001/0718/1227933.html
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more_sports/2008/06/26/2008-06-26_horse_trainer_steve_asmussen_suspended_a.html
The truth is the truth. Nothing libelous here. Listen…I am not saying that Gill is a saint. But let’s be real and rid the game of all the owners who are “bad” for the game. When you look at how she runs her operation it really isn’t much different than Gill’s.
I just find it ridiculous that someone like Moss has the stones to come out and criticize Gill.
By the way…..go look at who her trainer is at Penn National….another beaut.
February 2nd, 2010 at 8:56 am
Greg J,
Your FOB CULT drivel gets tiring. Cheersalex even censors your posts over there. Your heroine Maggi Moss has done some great self promotion and some good things, but is far from being a squeaky clean owner.
Compare WalMart to Kmart, Gill is the WalMart and has perfected it. I don’t see statistics posted about the other breakdowns at PEN. That track should be getting the microscope once over as much as Gill.
You post your drivel at ABR and on the Bloodhorse blogs and the cult thinks you are the greatest. You need to do deeper reseach prior to posting your garbage.
Go back to ABR and talk with the ladies about a new name for “Bobby’s youngest brother”.
February 2nd, 2010 at 9:06 am
Yawn,
Just like your name, Boring, Putting me to sleep….
I love people that don’t have the balls to use their own name, Cowards…
February 2nd, 2010 at 9:31 am
I just listened to the audio, that was as scripted as could be. I wonder how many days these two took to plan this interview out. Michael Gill, couldn’t be further from the truth when it comes to his “conspiracy” theory at Penn National. Read the post this morning RP wrote. Look at the people he surrounds himself with. He’s doing nothing but put a bullseye on himself. The more and more this show went on, it became laughable. You want to make yourself look better Mike? Come clean, go on probation, surround yourself with “respectable” people, and maybe we’d give you another shot. Other than that GUILTY
February 2nd, 2010 at 9:54 am
I would really like to see breakdown statistics for Penn National for the last 4-5 years and then see whether Gill’s
percentage of breakdowns is far out of line. Numbers should really tell the story. As much as people may dislike a man, it is no reason to use him as a whipping post . If his number of breakdowns is considerably higher, then he should be reckoned with but let us have the numbers first.
February 2nd, 2010 at 1:25 pm
Who is Cole Norman? Did I miss something?
February 2nd, 2010 at 2:30 pm
Listen Helen Richard I dispise Gill, I worked for the man, I know what his operation is about. I will leave it at that for fear I will be sued. Before his racing at Penn National he had many breakdowns all over East Coast. Not just Penn National . I agree Penn must take a look at there track we lost a nice horse before Christmas in a horrible breakdown. The track was hard hard hard. This horse had a know issue but I for know he was not injected repeatly(Can’t Spell) Gill’ s operation is Shady from the very beginning and conspiracy he calls it so be it. Just remember the victims here Jockey’s and the Dead horses.
Mr Gill is a very smart man in the mortgage industry let him stay there I don’t think the buildings will fall:) My two cents that;s all:)
February 2nd, 2010 at 2:34 pm
The Proof is always covered up csilver the vets get paid well the help enjoys the Cash moNEY PLUS the people who know the truth can’t speak out loud for fear of being sued for what he calls deflamation of Charachter.
But if in court you are right we have no proof:)
February 2nd, 2010 at 2:39 pm
Here is my question: If….infact…..gill gets out of the business–how is he getting rid of all those horses? If he drops one from 25,000 to $4000 and gets claimed, will riders be concerned about riding that horse next time….or automatically it will be sound since it is with another trainer. If he sells horses to run on the track..will they all be sound enough to not worry about? What about a couple days after gill was stopped at the entry box I saw in the results that one horse was pulled up and another race one was vanned off. Who is the next trainer to boycott?
February 2nd, 2010 at 2:55 pm
Another point about the vets…..wouldn’t it take just one vet who is willing to run their practice the “right” way to make the other vets fall in line? Show up at seven even and leave after the races…..Scoping is a wonderful tool to be able to use. It is in the horses best interests to be taken care of in a timely fashion if they are injured while racing….
February 2nd, 2010 at 3:36 pm
After reading 138 comments all about one worthless individual, who by the way should end up eating his meals from a straw, I have come to the conclusion that stupid people really do exist. To csilver and euthanasia, you wouldn’t know a horses a-hole if it sat on your face. While I believe that killing animals is not quite the same thing as killing humans, I believe that as humans we have a certain resposibility to protect the animals in our care. After reading the list of miscreants who have been left in charge of Gills horses I am left wondering why he thinks they qualify. I have long had knowledge of Mr. Gill and can honestly say, my opinion only and allowed to have it, he is a mean-hearted, greedy, selfish, evil butcher of the worst sort. He is an abomination to a regal sport who thinks he can pay his way to accolades. Owner of the year? Can anyone name one GOOD thing he has contributed to this sport?
February 2nd, 2010 at 4:06 pm
This thing is not done yet! I heard that PEN is planning on running the races on Wednesday night even if there is only ONE HORSE in the race, Gill’s! He would just have to jog his horse around the track and steal the purse. If PEN continues to do this Gill will continue to enter races knowing that it is free money. This thing could wind up costing the trainers and owners lots of money if the jocks don’t change their position. They have this guy down and waving the white flag, the last thing they need to do is give this guy a chance to resurrect himself!
February 2nd, 2010 at 4:15 pm
If all you folks think Gill is the only bad guy in racing and now things will be all better with him gone, you are so sadly mistaken. There are many, many Michael Gills out there, and trainers and vets just like the ones he’s hired. I have seen first hand what is done to horses on the track and on the farm to “keep them going as long as possible.” He is not different than these other “so called” trainers and owners. Getting rid of Gill is very short-sighted and going to do nothing but remove one more owner (who has put millions into the racing) from an industry gasping for air to stay alive.
February 2nd, 2010 at 4:18 pm
By the way people, if any of you are trackers, which I’m sure you are, then maybe you can remember the horrific end to a spectacular horse named Saratoga Games at Charlestown. That wonderful old stake horses previous owner begged Mr. Gill to sell him back to her for retirement (he was sore), but Mr. Gill, nice guy that he is refused. I clearly remember the night he snapped it off as being the night I first noticed just how awful Mr. Gills association with racing promised to be. And sure enough it has.
February 2nd, 2010 at 4:21 pm
Hey Alfred, who do you think that one rider will be to break ranks and ride that Gill horse? Wouldn’t want to be him.
February 2nd, 2010 at 4:22 pm
BTW, he’s not down waving a white flag. He’s standing up raising his middle finger at us.
February 2nd, 2010 at 4:26 pm
He has an exercise rider listed, Jose Baez, to ride all his horses this week. The kid is probably on his payroll. We’ll see!
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:43 pm
Do you folks remember a few years ago when Gill had a horse break down at Gulfstream? He had a leg of the fatally injured animal severed from the body. Please educate yourself before you try to defend this man.
February 2nd, 2010 at 11:15 pm
Andy K, please educate yourself before you try and imply wrong doing. Amazing what people don’t know but love to talk about.
February 3rd, 2010 at 12:01 am
bobo what is your info and does it deny Gill and his two trainers have felony indictments in their history?
February 3rd, 2010 at 10:09 pm
Im so thankful that they finally started doing something about this Gill and his operation. As an agent i lost my rider for a certain amount of time and my income due to one of his horses going down in our race. so CSILVER what about the people who lose their jobs and income due to gill’s heinous practices. im sure his employees didnt feel bad when we went down and out for a couple weeks and we werent the ones breaking the rules they are. so i dont feel bad for any of those people for losing their jobs. actually some those people shouldnt even be allowed to care for horses. ive seen it with my own eyes they mistreat the horses and abuse them.. so CSILVER before you start defending people you dont even know i think you should get your facts straight.. and yes this isnt going to stop the break downs at penn but it will cut the number in half. as long as there is horse racing horses will get injured its part of the game just like in any sport. but gill’s operation was pushing the limit and didnt care what happened to the horses or riders all they cared about was getting the wins at any cost..we rode horses for gill and my rider galloped a couple horses in the morning and said the horses felt terrible and at night time when they were treated he said they felt like a completely different horse and he didnt learn his lesson until one broke down on him in a race and he finally decided to stop riding for him and luckily he didnt get seriously injured. but no matter what you people say or think that everyone wanted him out because he won alot of races or jealousy or whatever you want to say but reality is that we were all scared for our riders and horses. gills operation thought that they were playing a game when inreality this isnt a game this is people lives and horses lives this is a career to us not just a sport… and now that gill and adamo got kicked out what are they waiting for to kick out delahoussaye and everyone else that was involved in this.
February 3rd, 2010 at 10:50 pm
I’m calling shenanigans on DaKid, name names and horses. that would make your story more credible. Now it appears to be b.s.
February 3rd, 2010 at 11:51 pm
what are you saying is shananigans? obvioulsy hes broke horses down and obvioulsy hes hurt riders thats pretty much what the jist of my posting was.. i dont want to name names but if theres any other way i could help you better understand what i was saying i can try and do.. i dont really want to get into any type of arguement i was just stating what i know cause theres alot of hear-say and i dont want to get into any of that.. whatever i said is what ive seen and know is to be true.
February 4th, 2010 at 6:55 am
shenanigans
February 4th, 2010 at 12:13 pm
I don’t think what the dakid said is shenanigan’s. From what I read it seems like it’s the truth. it was not the first time i heard any of what he said………….
February 4th, 2010 at 8:01 pm
Dakid,
Bravo, Every word is true…
February 6th, 2010 at 1:09 am
thanks gregj..